RE: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches?

I recently purchased a VECTOR item = from Todd=20 Miller, and he gets the

Quality Packaging Award of the = Year for his=20 care in packaging!

Package met the following key specs, in = no=20 particular order:

1. Custom Fit Packaging

2. Extremely sturdy = materials

3. Clear Instructions on how to handle = the=20 package

4. Clear = Instructions on how=20 to OPEN the package

5. Arrived without delay

6. Item in top condition

Thank You Todd!

-James

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I recently purchased a VECTOR item = from Todd=20 Miller, and he gets the

Quality Packaging Award of the = Year for his=20 care in packaging!

Package met the following key specs, in = no=20 particular order:

1. Custom Fit Packaging

2. Extremely sturdy = materials

3. Clear Instructions on how to handle = the=20 package

4. Clear = Instructions on how=20 to OPEN the package

5. Arrived without delay

6. Item in top condition

Thank You Todd!

-James

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~query=20 body=3Dvector

~if = query=3D1 then=20 pertinent=3D1

~if = pertinent=3D1 then=20 send

~if = pertinent=3D0=20 then saveto drafts

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From owner-vectorlist Sat Apr 1 12:31:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA15374 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:31:15 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08762 for vectorlist-outgoing; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:15:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <38E62E12.9E345176@dds.nl> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 19:12:51 +0200 From: Tek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vectorlist New Subject: VECTOR: Tempest board rev. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Hi guys- I was wondering, is a newer Tempest board with only half of the ROMS different from the 'normal' one? As far as I could see the address decoder is still the same, but how does it know the data of each second ROM is in the first location? Cya ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Sat Apr 1 14:13:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA23610 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:13:25 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08981 for vectorlist-outgoing; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 10:56:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000401105652.00b892a0 > X-Sender: a1a96636@pop.telus.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 10:58:10 -0800 To: vectorlist > From: John Robertson Subject: Re: VECTOR: Tempest board rev. In-Reply-To: <38E62E12.9E345176@dds.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO If your version is using 2532's, then the A11 of the 2532 is the old ChipSelect on the 2716, which was often A11 (like Pacman, Tempest and other games) John :-#)# At 09:12 AM 4/1/2000 , Tek wrote: >Hi guys- > >I was wondering, is a newer Tempest board with only half of the ROMS different >from the 'normal' one? > >As far as I could see the address decoder is still the same, but how does it >know the data of each second >ROM is in the first location? > >Cya ! >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) http://www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Sat Apr 1 16:14:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00742 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:14:53 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09311 for vectorlist-outgoing; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:02:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <38E66330.ECC94B2F@dds.nl> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 22:59:28 +0200 From: Tek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Tempest board rev. References: <4.2.1.20000401105652.00b892a0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Yes, but how does the board know? Probably I'm being stoopid, but I still cannot see it? Cya ! John Robertson wrote: > > If your version is using 2532's, then the A11 of the 2532 is the old > ChipSelect on the 2716, which was often A11 (like Pacman, Tempest and other > games) > > John :-#)# > > At 09:12 AM 4/1/2000 , Tek wrote: > >Hi guys- > > > >I was wondering, is a newer Tempest board with only half of the ROMS different > >from the 'normal' one? > > > >As far as I could see the address decoder is still the same, but how does it > >know the data of each second > >ROM is in the first location? > > > >Cya ! > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > http://www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Sat Apr 1 17:28:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA06543 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 17:28:24 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09523 for vectorlist-outgoing; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:20:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000401141046.00b6cc70 > X-Sender: a1a96636@pop.telus.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 14:22:03 -0800 To: vectorlist From: John Robertson Subject: Re: VECTOR: Tempest board rev. In-Reply-To: <38E66330.ECC94B2F@dds.nl> References: <4.2.1.20000401105652.00b892a0 > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Ah, well, it is fairly simple once you understand the addressing. On your board, there are, say for simplicity two 2716's. Now the hardware person was a bit creative and wanted to take advantage of the cheaper 2532's (when they become available - remember this is 1980ish)) and hardwires the board so that the first socket has A11 as the chip enable for the 1st 2716, and inverts A11 to use as the chip enable for the second 2716. Now when you use the chip select you have it cover a 1K window instead of 1/2K and for the first half of the 1K A11 is LOW thus 2716 #1 is enabled and 2716 #2 is disabled because it sees inverted A11 or HIGH. Now for the upper half of the 1K window, you then toggle A11 high, this disables 2716 #1, and enables 2716 #2. Now when the 2532's drop in price to rival the 2716's you just drop them in, they program faster and fewer assembly steps for the manufacturer. Or if 2716's aren't available or whatever... On your Tempest they just had a bunch of 2716 sockets that were wired to A11 and the second bunch wired to inverted A11, thus when you stuff in the 2532's, you just use the first bunch with regular A11. You will see some games that had jumpers in place that would allow you to run MANY different types and sizes of ROM memory - Midway motherboards spring to mind as an example, plus Bally pinball MPU's. Clear? John :-#)# At 12:59 PM 4/1/2000 , Tek wrote: >Yes, but how does the board know? Probably I'm being stoopid, but I still >cannot >see it? > >Cya ! > >John Robertson wrote: > > > > If your version is using 2532's, then the A11 of the 2532 is the old > > ChipSelect on the 2716, which was often A11 (like Pacman, Tempest and other > > games) > > > > John :-#)# > > > > At 09:12 AM 4/1/2000 , Tek wrote: > > >Hi guys- > > > > > >I was wondering, is a newer Tempest board with only half of the ROMS > different > > >from the 'normal' one? > > > > > >As far as I could see the address decoder is still the same, but how > does it > > >know the data of each second > > >ROM is in the first location? > > > > > >Cya ! > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" > in the > > >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > > >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > > > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > > http://www.flippers.com > > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) http://www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Sun Apr 2 07:57:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA26199 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 07:57:20 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10897 for vectorlist-outgoing; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 04:48:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <38E732C4.42E840EF@dds.nl> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:45:08 +0200 From: Tek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Tempest board rev. References: <4.2.1.20000401105652.00b892a0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Thanks for your great explanation. I now understand how the A11 inflicts the use of 1 or 2 K windows, thereby enabeling the use of the 2532. Probably this is also the reason why they ever made a 2532, as opposed to the 'regular' pinned 2732... TTYL! John Robertson wrote: > > Ah, well, it is fairly simple once you understand the addressing. On your > board, there are, say for simplicity two 2716's. Now the hardware person > was a bit creative and wanted to take advantage of the cheaper 2532's (when > they become available - remember this is 1980ish)) and hardwires the board > so that the first socket has A11 as the chip enable for the 1st 2716, and > inverts A11 to use as the chip enable for the second 2716. Now when you use > the chip select you have it cover a 1K window instead of 1/2K and for the > first half of the 1K A11 is LOW thus 2716 #1 is enabled and 2716 #2 is > disabled because it sees inverted A11 or HIGH. Now for the upper half of > the 1K window, you then toggle A11 high, this disables 2716 #1, and enables > 2716 #2. Now when the 2532's drop in price to rival the 2716's you just > drop them in, they program faster and fewer assembly steps for the > manufacturer. Or if 2716's aren't available or whatever... > > On your Tempest they just had a bunch of 2716 sockets that were wired to > A11 and the second bunch wired to inverted A11, thus when you stuff in the > 2532's, you just use the first bunch with regular A11. > > You will see some games that had jumpers in place that would allow you to > run MANY different types and sizes of ROM memory - Midway motherboards > spring to mind as an example, plus Bally pinball MPU's. > > Clear? > > John :-#)# > > At 12:59 PM 4/1/2000 , Tek wrote: > >Yes, but how does the board know? Probably I'm being stoopid, but I still > >cannot > >see it? > > > >Cya ! > > > >John Robertson wrote: > > > > > > If your version is using 2532's, then the A11 of the 2532 is the old > > > ChipSelect on the 2716, which was often A11 (like Pacman, Tempest and other > > > games) > > > > > > John :-#)# > > > > > > At 09:12 AM 4/1/2000 , Tek wrote: > > > >Hi guys- > > > > > > > >I was wondering, is a newer Tempest board with only half of the ROMS > > different > > > >from the 'normal' one? > > > > > > > >As far as I could see the address decoder is still the same, but how > > does it > > > >know the data of each second > > > >ROM is in the first location? > > > > > > > >Cya ! > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > > > >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" > > in the > > > >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > > > >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > > > > > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > > > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > > > http://www.flippers.com > > > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > > > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > > > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > http://www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Sun Apr 2 11:17:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07623 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 11:17:01 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11325 for vectorlist-outgoing; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 08:05:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f X-Sent: 2 Apr 2000 15:05:08 GMT Message-ID: <38E760BC.DE0CE01A@netconx.net> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 10:01:16 -0500 From: Todd Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Quality Award for Todd Miller for FS vector item: QPA References: <007501bf9be9$9bc30dc0$0c01010a@daytrader2> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------35ABF3F3B3FE9DFC4DB11FB7" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO --------------35ABF3F3B3FE9DFC4DB11FB7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First of all I'd like to thank Atari... Thanks for the appreciation James ! Gee I never thought a home made box would get so many comments. The night I was making the box a friend stopped over and, well... he just laughed and wanted to know what I thought I was doing. When I arrived at UPS the gal at the counter said she'd worked the counter for 12 years and never saw such a thing either. Oh well :-) Good packaging is important, especially when dealing with older, hard to replace items. I recycle as much as I can by saving boxes and packaging materials from work and friends (I've never had to buy them). Todd James Nelson wrote: > I recently purchased a VECTOR item from Todd Miller, and he gets > theQuality Packaging Award of the Year for his care in > packaging! Package met the following key specs, in no particular > order: 1. Custom Fit Packaging2. Extremely sturdy materials3. Clear > Instructions on how to handle the package4. Clear Instructions on how > to OPEN the package5. Arrived without delay6. Item in top > condition Thank You Todd!-James Unrelated macro > below-------------------------------------------------~macro~context=vectorlist > email~shortcut=ctrl-alt-n~variable=pertinent~pertinent=0~query > body=vector~if query=1 then pertinent=1~if pertinent=1 then send~if > pertinent=0 then saveto drafts~end > macro------------------------------------------------- --------------35ABF3F3B3FE9DFC4DB11FB7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First of all I'd like to thank Atari...

Thanks for the appreciation James !

Gee I never thought a home made box would get
so many comments. The night I was making the
box a friend stopped over and, well... he just
laughed and wanted to know what I thought I was
doing. When I arrived at UPS the gal at the
counter said she'd worked the counter for 12 years
and never saw such a thing either. Oh well :-)

Good packaging is important, especially when
dealing with older, hard to replace items. I recycle
as much as I can by saving boxes and packaging
materials from work and friends (I've never had to
buy them).

Todd

James Nelson wrote:

I recently purchased a VECTOR item from Todd Miller, and he gets theQuality Packaging Award of the Year for his care in packaging! Package met the following key specs, in no particular order: 1. Custom Fit Packaging2. Extremely sturdy materials3. Clear Instructions on how to handle the package4. Clear Instructions on how to OPEN the package5. Arrived without delay6. Item in top condition Thank You Todd!-James Unrelated macro below-------------------------------------------------~macro~context=vectorlist email~shortcut=ctrl-alt-n~variable=pertinent~pertinent=0~query body=vector~if query=1 then pertinent=1~if pertinent=1 then send~if pertinent=0 then saveto drafts~end macro-------------------------------------------------

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From owner-vectorlist Mon Apr 3 13:21:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA27363 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:21:21 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15103 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:02:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <38E8CDE0.82CC1258@dds.nl> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:59:12 +0200 From: Tek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vectorlist New Subject: VECTOR: HV chassis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Hi guys. Is this a HV chassis of a WG6100 or is it from a B/W vector? I am a little confused because it is pictured with a WG6100 defl. board but the HV cage looks a lot different. Maybe it is another revision which I don't now of? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=299732875 Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Apr 3 13:35:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA29773 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:35:48 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15149 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:20:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <3D62AB6FFC80D211A84700104B10CB2C02D95CD2 > From: jeff hendrix To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: VECTOR: HV chassis Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:19:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO all 3 of those are from a b/w xy monitor -----Original Message----- From: Tek [mailto:mypearl@dds.nl] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 10:59 AM To: Vectorlist New Subject: VECTOR: HV chassis Hi guys. Is this a HV chassis of a WG6100 or is it from a B/W vector? I am a little confused because it is pictured with a WG6100 defl. board but the HV cage looks a lot different. Maybe it is another revision which I don't now of? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=299732875 Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Apr 3 13:38:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA30216 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:38:56 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15137 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:19:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <38E8D28D.3602BB9F > Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 12:19:09 -0500 From: tom mcclintock Organization: MG Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: HV chassis References: <38E8CDE0.82CC1258@dds.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO They are both B&W vector boards (deflection and HV). tm Tek wrote: > > Hi guys. > > Is this a HV chassis of a WG6100 or is it from a B/W vector? I am a little > confused because it is pictured with a WG6100 defl. board but the HV cage looks > a lot different. Maybe it is another revision which I don't now of? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=299732875 > > Thanks! > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Apr 3 13:45:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA31001 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:45:26 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15159 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:21:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000403102146.00c2b2e0 > X-Sender: flippers X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:22:47 -0700 To: vectorlist From: John Robertson Subject: Re: VECTOR: HV chassis In-Reply-To: <38E8CDE0.82CC1258@dds.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO This is a B&W Vector pile of parts. Wells 1900 series... John :-#)# At 09:59 AM 4/3/2000 , Tek wrote: >Hi guys. > >Is this a HV chassis of a WG6100 or is it from a B/W vector? I am a little >confused because it is pictured with a WG6100 defl. board but the HV cage >looks >a lot different. Maybe it is another revision which I don't now of? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=299732875 > >Thanks! >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . 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From owner-vectorlist Mon Apr 3 13:53:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA32152 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:53:06 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15229 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:36:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <008101bf9d93$39773410$d368370f > From: "Joel Rosenzweig" To: Subject: Re: VECTOR: HV chassis Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:37:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I'm not sure I follow you on the WG6100 deflection board. That board is an Electrohome G05 B/W deflection board. The two HV units appear to also be from the Electrohome G05 monitor. The picture shows that the deflection board is missing one of the large filtering capacitors. It would be impossible to say at this point if the board was working before parts were removed, or if someone attempted and never completed a repair job. Joel- -----Original Message----- From: Tek To: Vectorlist New Date: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:10 PM Subject: VECTOR: HV chassis >Hi guys. > >Is this a HV chassis of a WG6100 or is it from a B/W vector? I am a little >confused because it is pictured with a WG6100 defl. board but the HV cage looks >a lot different. Maybe it is another revision which I don't now of? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=299732875 > >Thanks! >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Apr 3 14:30:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA05601 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:30:43 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15404 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:19:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <38E8DFD8.50DF48C8@dds.nl> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 20:15:52 +0200 From: Tek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: HV chassis References: <008101bf9d93$39773410$d368370f > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO You'll are right - I was wrong on the deflection board, I saw it when I took a close look. Thanks for the quick answers, as always... I think they just lutered the deflection board for parts... why would you replace just one of the filter caps and not both while you'er at it? It seem he had enough parts! Curious how much the seller's going to get from this. Mendel Pearl Joel Rosenzweig wrote: > > I'm not sure I follow you on the WG6100 deflection board. That board is an > Electrohome G05 B/W deflection board. The two HV units appear to also be > from the Electrohome G05 monitor. > > The picture shows that the deflection board is missing one of the large > filtering capacitors. It would be impossible to say at this point if the > board was working before parts were removed, or if someone attempted and > never completed a repair job. > > Joel- > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tek > To: Vectorlist New > Date: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:10 PM > Subject: VECTOR: HV chassis > > >Hi guys. > > > >Is this a HV chassis of a WG6100 or is it from a B/W vector? I am a little > >confused because it is pictured with a WG6100 defl. board but the HV cage > looks > >a lot different. Maybe it is another revision which I don't now of? > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=299732875 > > > >Thanks! > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Apr 3 14:30:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA05607 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:30:47 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15389 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:17:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <38E8DFC9.3BCE588D > Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 14:15:37 -0400 From: ddhumphr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: VECTOR: Star Trek sound board repair References: <38E8CDE0.82CC1258@dds.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Fixed the sound on my Star Trek sound board last night by replacing U9 (TL082). Figured I'd forget all about saving the information in case I had to repair another sound board, and thought I'd post it to the group in hopes that it survives in the vectorlist archives where I can search for the info again! Game: Sega Star Trek Symptoms: Sound *there*, but so weak and scratchy as to be nearly inaudible. Voice fine. (Sound board output is fed to the voice board for mixing and final ampification to speakers. Repair: Replace U9 (TL082) Ace --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Apr 3 14:35:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06432 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:35:22 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15417 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:20:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000403111946.00c33870 > X-Sender: flippers X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 11:22:21 -0700 To: vectorlist > From: John Robertson Subject: Re: VECTOR: HV chassis In-Reply-To: <008101bf9d93$39773410$d368370f > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO You are probably correct about it being an Electrohome, there are burn marks where the two large resistors used to be. Still WG and Electrohoome looked very similar for the B&W, I'd have to pull my files to be sure. A potentially useful collection of parts for any Atari B&W vector game though, none the less. John :-#)# At 10:37 AM 4/3/2000 , Joel Rosenzweig wrote: >I'm not sure I follow you on the WG6100 deflection board. That board is an >Electrohome G05 B/W deflection board. The two HV units appear to also be >from the Electrohome G05 monitor. > >The picture shows that the deflection board is missing one of the large >filtering capacitors. It would be impossible to say at this point if the >board was working before parts were removed, or if someone attempted and >never completed a repair job. > >Joel- > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tek >To: Vectorlist New >Date: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:10 PM >Subject: VECTOR: HV chassis > > > >Hi guys. > > > >Is this a HV chassis of a WG6100 or is it from a B/W vector? I am a little > >confused because it is pictured with a WG6100 defl. board but the HV cage >looks > >a lot different. Maybe it is another revision which I don't now of? > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=299732875 > > > >Thanks! > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . 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From owner-vectorlist Mon Apr 3 15:44:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18258 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:44:27 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15624 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:17:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <00ae01bf9da1$61bc2940$d368370f > From: "Joel Rosenzweig" To: Subject: Re: VECTOR: HV chassis Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:18:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO You are right. I should have left room for that possibility. Based on my memory, they looked just like my G05 deflection boards, but given how similar they look, I shouldn't have been so confident! Joel- >You are probably correct about it being an Electrohome, there are burn >marks where the two large resistors used to be. Still WG and Electrohoome >looked very similar for the B&W, I'd have to pull my files to be sure. > >A potentially useful collection of parts for any Atari B&W vector game >though, none the less. > >John :-#)# > >At 10:37 AM 4/3/2000 , Joel Rosenzweig wrote: >>I'm not sure I follow you on the WG6100 deflection board. That board is an >>Electrohome G05 B/W deflection board. The two HV units appear to also be >>from the Electrohome G05 monitor. >> >>The picture shows that the deflection board is missing one of the large >>filtering capacitors. It would be impossible to say at this point if the >>board was working before parts were removed, or if someone attempted and >>never completed a repair job. >> >>Joel- >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Tek >>To: Vectorlist New >>Date: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:10 PM >>Subject: VECTOR: HV chassis >> >> >> >Hi guys. >> > >> >Is this a HV chassis of a WG6100 or is it from a B/W vector? I am a little >> >confused because it is pictured with a WG6100 defl. board but the HV cage >>looks >> >a lot different. Maybe it is another revision which I don't now of? >> > >> >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=299732875 >> > >> >Thanks! >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >> >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >> >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . >> > >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >>** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >>** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >>** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > http://www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Apr 3 17:55:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA06341 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:55:47 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16152 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:29:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000321070109.39896.qmail > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:32:52 -0700 To: vectorlist From: Jonathan Koolpe Subject: VECTOR: AVG chip? Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Clay, I was told that you make substitutes for this AVG chip that often fails on vector boards...mine just failed on my Major Havoc. While I was able to get a replacement from a friend (Scott Evans), he said that these chips are getting scarce, but that you in fact make a substitute. So, I was thinking that I should go ahead and get another one since I love vector games and now have 5 of 'em:) and therefore will probably need another eventually. If you still make these, I would like to know how much they are as I would probably like to purchase one from you. Thanks, Jonathan Koolpe Jonathan Koolpe Staff Research Associate University of California, San Francisco Department of Microbiology & Immunology Tel: (415) 476-9371 Fax: (415) 476-8201 mail to: jkoolpe --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Apr 3 19:25:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA19061 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:25:34 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16601 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:57:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20000321070109.39896.qmail > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:01:07 -0700 To: vectorlist From: Jonathan Koolpe Subject: Re: VECTOR: AVG chip? Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO >Clay, > >I was told that you make substitutes for this AVG chip that often fails on >vector boards...mine just failed on my Major Havoc. > >While I was able to get a replacement from a friend (Scott Evans), he said >that these chips are getting scarce, but that you in fact make a >substitute. So, I was thinking that I should go ahead and get another one >since I love vector games and now have 5 of 'em:) and therefore will >probably need another eventually. > >If you still make these, I would like to know how much they are as I would >probably like to purchase one from you. > >Thanks, > My apologies all...I meant to send this message to Clay directly...just hit the wrong button on my email program. Sorry again. Jonathan Jonathan Koolpe Staff Research Associate University of California, San Francisco Department of Microbiology & Immunology Tel: (415) 476-9371 Fax: (415) 476-8201 mail to: jkoolpe --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Apr 3 20:38:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA28114 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:38:51 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16899 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:27:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <38E936C0.6C99488D > Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 19:26:40 -0500 From: tom mcclintock Organization: MG Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: VECTOR: WTB: Quantum marquee References: <38E25D6A.BD684377 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I'm looking for a Quantum marquee if anyone has one for sale, trade, or knows where I can find one :^) Thanks, tom --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue Apr 4 01:04:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA26938 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 01:04:52 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17542 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:43:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <20000404044228.54670.qmail > X-Originating-IP: [24.6.217.124] From: "Clay Cowgill" To: vectorlist Subject: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:42:28 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I've been working on another multigame (non-vector) and have something of a RFC for the list here since it'll apply to my AST/DLX/LL thing before too long. In a multigame system, can anyone think of a particularly good reason why I should *not* make the game configuration all "soft-set" by just putting the game settings up in a menu area of the multigame software and just let the user make settings there? I have battery backed-up RAM (that should be good for 10+ years) that I can store settings in. I can't really think of any downside to it but maybe I'm missing something... (In the current non-vector game it *looks* kinda-neat on-screen 'cause I made Mac-like [well, I guess Apple probably borrowed it from Xerox, and Microsoft probably borrowed it from Apple] "radio buttons" that just allow a single option from a set to be selected. You know me-- I like stuff that looks cool. ;-) Anyhow, feedback is welcome. -Clay ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue Apr 4 02:29:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA00657 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:29:26 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17701 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:04:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: From: Paul Sommers To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:05:08 +1000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BF9DFB.BABCC9F0" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF9DFB.BABCC9F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Clay, Sounds cool!!! Always preferred the Atari and Midway games where the game was configured by the test menu! Cheers MacMan PS: Any hint to what it is???? > ---------- > From: Clay Cowgill > Reply To: vectorlist > Sent: Tuesday, 04 April 2000 14:42 > To: vectorlist > Subject: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? > > I've been working on another multigame (non-vector) and have something of > a > RFC for the list here since it'll apply to my AST/DLX/LL thing before too > long. > > In a multigame system, can anyone think of a particularly good reason why > I > should *not* make the game configuration all "soft-set" by just putting > the > game settings up in a menu area of the multigame software and just let the > > user make settings there? I have battery backed-up RAM (that should be > good > for 10+ years) that I can store settings in. > > I can't really think of any downside to it but maybe I'm missing > something... > > (In the current non-vector game it *looks* kinda-neat on-screen 'cause I > made Mac-like [well, I guess Apple probably borrowed it from Xerox, and > Microsoft probably borrowed it from Apple] "radio buttons" that just allow > a > single option from a set to be selected. You know me-- I like stuff that > looks cool. ;-) > > Anyhow, feedback is welcome. > > -Clay > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in > the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF9DFB.BABCC9F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches?

Clay,

Sounds cool!!! Always = preferred the Atari and Midway games where the game was configured by = the test menu!

Cheers
MacMan

PS: Any hint to what it = is????

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From: Clay Cowgill
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Sent: Tuesday, 04 April 2000 14:42
To:     = vectorlist
Subject: =        VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches?

I've been working on another = multigame (non-vector) and have something of a
RFC for the list here since it'll = apply to my AST/DLX/LL thing before too
long.

In a multigame system, can anyone = think of a particularly good reason why I
should *not* make the game = configuration all "soft-set" by just putting the
game settings up in a menu area of = the multigame software and just let the
user make settings there? I = have battery backed-up RAM (that should be good
for 10+ years) that I can store = settings in.

I can't really think of any downside = to it but maybe I'm missing
something...

(In the current non-vector game it = *looks* kinda-neat on-screen 'cause I
made Mac-like [well, I guess Apple = probably borrowed it from Xerox, and
Microsoft probably borrowed it from = Apple] "radio buttons" that just allow a
single option from a set to be = selected. You know me-- I like stuff that
looks cool. ;-)

Anyhow, feedback is welcome.

-Clay
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------_=_NextPart_001_01BF9DFB.BABCC9F0-- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue Apr 4 08:44:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29386 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:44:36 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18662 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:32:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f From: solarfox To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 07:32:42 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20000404044228.54670.qmail > In-Reply-To: <20000404044228.54670.qmail > X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by synthcom.com id FAA18659 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:42:28 PDT, you wrote: >In a multigame system, can anyone think of a particularly good reason why I >should *not* make the game configuration all "soft-set" by just putting the >game settings up in a menu area of the multigame software and just let the >user make settings there? I have battery backed-up RAM (that should be good >for 10+ years) that I can store settings in. > >I can't really think of any downside to it but maybe I'm missing >something... Other than the possible "nostalgia value" of doing it "the old-fashioned way" instead of using "them new-fangled menus", I don't see any disadvantage to it. In fact, considering that different games undoubtedly have widely-varying DIP-switch assignments (and probably a different number of switches themselves), I'd think trying to keep the physical DIP-switch system would create a fair amount of confusion when trying to switch from one game to another... By the way - have you looked at Ramtron's ferroelectric RAM (FRAM) parts for this kind of thing? They're non-volatile RAMs that are, IMO, _much_ nicer than either battery-backed SRAM or EEPROMs - for one thing, they have a read/write endurance of 1^10 (that's 10 _billion_) cycles; you'd have to access it over 30 times a second to wear it out in a mere 10 years... :) Check 'em out at www.ramtron.com . ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- When they took the fourth amendment, I said nothing because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the sixth amendment, I said nothing because I hadn't committed a crime. When they took the second amendment, I said nothing because I didn't own a gun. Now they've taken the first amendment, and I can't say anything about it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- solarfox (Gary Akins jr.) http://lonestar.texas.net/~solarfox ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue Apr 4 09:25:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01759 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:24:59 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA18750 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:08:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <012901bf9e35$8e07e2c0$0c01010a@daytrader2> From: "James Nelson" To: References: <20000404044228.54670.qmail > Subject: Re: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:59:03 -0400 Organization: eBay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I think menus would be great, as long as the sought after "attract modes" always come up after letting the game idle for a while. Also, It would be nice if the game didn't have to power down to get to the menus- for example, press all buttons at once or both player buttons and menu comes up. MAKE SURE YOU ALLOW COIN PLAY... It's the only way I have to control myself and my guests from playing till they can't play another round in their life. As far as battery backed up RAM, that's ok if we can change the battery, but I would prefer an eeprom, even if it had to be a big parallel eeprom that costs $5. It is surprising how fast 10 years passes for an arcade game. Seems like yesterday I found my first machine, now it's getting to be 5 years. Have a great day everyone James > Anyhow, feedback is welcome. > > -Clay --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue Apr 4 09:50:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05884 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:50:49 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA18877 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:42:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:42:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? In-Reply-To: <012901bf9e35$8e07e2c0$0c01010a@daytrader2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, James Nelson wrote: > far as battery backed up RAM, that's ok if we can change the battery, but I > would prefer an eeprom, even if it had to be a big parallel eeprom that > costs $5. It is surprising how fast 10 years passes for an arcade game. I agree on this one. Replacing batteries is one of the big problems in saving boards -- let's not have a multigame that will committ suicide in 10 years. If the RAM can work with an external battery, and it's just a matter of having two solder holes for wires where we can add a battery in 10 years, then it's a great idea. -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue Apr 4 12:45:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA03163 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:45:43 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19357 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:12:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004041611.JAA00567 > From: Andrew Wilson To: vectorlist In-reply-to: (chris ) Subject: Re: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? References: Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO >I agree on this one. Replacing batteries is one of the big problems in >saving boards -- let's not have a multigame that will committ suicide in 10 >years. I presume that Clay is talking about storing the *settings* in a battery-backed RAM (like one of those Dallas Semiconductor parts I've used to add high-score saving to various games). Uh, that's a nice idea too, if you can swing it - add high score saving for the games, since you've got this nice big RAM you can copy the high scores into and out of when you switch games. So when (if) the battery dies (after 10 years of *non-use*, since the battery isn't used when the game has power), you replace the part and reset your settings. The game doesn't suicide. Even if the worst happens and you can't replace the part because it's become obsolete, I presume that you could *manually* turn on the game and set the settings and they would remain until the power turns off. Seems like a great idea to me. Drew --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue Apr 4 13:52:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA14295 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:52:49 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19607 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:30:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <6A8039E06136D31180140060B01B3B8401E5A562 > From: Mehrtens John-LJM071 To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:30:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Even a board-mounted holder and a Lithium CR2032 would be a nice bet, though the 2032's usually don't last more than just a few years. They're the most popular batteries around. Thank again, an EEPROM or FLASH memory would be sweet. Here we go making all these demands on Clay! lol -John p.s. I have two AT27C040-15PC's left @ home, for those who inquired earlier. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue Apr 4 17:20:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18626 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:20:10 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20438 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:08:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <000801bf9e6f$36c98c40$8a00a8c0@PCN138> From: "Walt" To: Subject: VECTOR: Trouble with WG6100 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:51:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF9E45.4C8B68C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF9E45.4C8B68C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Problems with a WG6100 - gee what else is new? I got a Tempest with a dead monitor a few weeks ago and got around to = looking at it this past weekend. When I say dead - I mean dead - no = power, no neck glow, nothing. I installed both a cap kit and an upgrade kit from Bob Roberts as well = as a LV2000. I resolderd all the connectors also. I followed the instructions with the LV2000 and adjusted the voltages = with all the connectors on the deflection board unplugged. Carefully = plugged everything back in and fired the game up - the monitor had no = signs of life - after about 10 seconds the fuses at F100 and F101 blew. Got the troubleshooting flowchart out. I replaced the fuses and also = had to replace the diodes at D102 and D103 - they fried when the fuses = blew. I then unplugged the connectors at P100, P600, and P700 and fired = the monitor up - the LV2000's led's came on and the fuses didn't blow. = Proceeded to hook P100 back up - no problems. Hooked P600 and P700 back = up and *POOF* two more fuses down the drain. But it didn't take the = diodes out this time. So at this point you say its the chassis transisitors. I replaced all = of them and the mica insulators as well. They all got a liberal amount = of heatsink goop too. I checked continuity to make sure they are not = making contact with the chassis and double checked them using the diode = test that Gregg Woodcock describes. All are good. Anybody ever have any problems with the kits from Bob Roberts?? = Somebody said that the transisitors he includes in the upgrade kit for = replacements at Q604 and Q704 are the wrong ones. But I installed this = exact same set-up in a monitor for a Black Widow with no problems. Anyone have any suggestions as to where to proceed from here? Should I = replace the transisitors at Q603, Q703, Q604, and Q704? Wondering if = they are the problem now. Thanks for the help. Walt ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF9E45.4C8B68C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Problems with a WG6100 - gee what else = is=20 new?

I got a Tempest with a dead monitor a = few weeks ago=20 and got around to looking at it this past weekend. When I say dead = - I=20 mean dead - no power, no neck glow, nothing.

I installed both a cap kit and an = upgrade kit from=20 Bob Roberts as well as a LV2000. I resolderd all the connectors=20 also.

I followed the instructions with the = LV2000 and=20 adjusted the voltages with all the connectors on the deflection board=20 unplugged. Carefully plugged everything back in and fired the game = up -=20 the monitor had no signs of life - after about 10 seconds the fuses at = F100 and=20 F101 blew.

Got the troubleshooting flowchart = out. I=20 replaced the fuses and also had to replace the diodes at D102 and D103 - = they=20 fried when the fuses blew. I then unplugged the connectors at = P100, P600,=20 and P700 and fired the monitor up - the LV2000's led's came on and the = fuses=20 didn't blow. Proceeded to hook P100 back up - no problems. = Hooked=20 P600 and P700 back up and *POOF* two more fuses down the drain. = But it=20 didn't take the diodes out this time.

So at this point you say its the = chassis=20 transisitors. I replaced all of them and the mica insulators as=20 well. They all got a liberal amount of heatsink goop too. I = checked=20 continuity to make sure they are not making contact with the chassis and = double=20 checked them using the diode test that Gregg Woodcock describes. = All are=20 good.

Anybody ever have any problems with the = kits from=20 Bob Roberts?? Somebody said that the transisitors he includes in = the=20 upgrade kit for replacements at Q604 and Q704 are the wrong ones. = But I=20 installed this exact same set-up in a monitor for a Black Widow with no=20 problems.

Anyone have any suggestions as to where = to proceed=20 from here? Should I replace the transisitors at Q603, Q703, Q604, = and=20 Q704? Wondering if they are the problem now.

Thanks for the help.

Walt

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From owner-vectorlist Tue Apr 4 19:42:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA07834 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:42:41 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20942 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:16:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000404191400.0072b430 > X-Sender: us001378 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:14:00 -0400 To: vectorlist From: Jon Raiford Subject: Re: VECTOR: Trouble with WG6100 In-Reply-To: <000801bf9e6f$36c98c40$8a00a8c0@PCN138> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO At this point you should probably use your Black Widow monitor as a test bed for the nonworking boards. Just swap in a questionable board into the good monitor and see if it works. Most likely, you'll end up with one of three senarios. 1) One of the three boards doesn't work, but the other two do (guess which one you should concentrate on?) 2) All of the boards work - this indicates a problem with wiring or the chasis transistors on the bad monitor 3) You kill the working monitor - oops ;) Something else to consider.. You should be careful using Bob's "upgrade" kit. You need to figure out which revision your monitor is and upgrade from there. Don't install all of the parts blindly, as later revision boards don't need them all. I'm not sure if you can break the monitor from installing everything though.. I haven't done the upgrades on any of my monitors yet. It also seems to me that there are a couple transistor diagrams on the deflection board that are drawn wrong. The pins are labeled correctly, but the half circle is backwards. Of course, I may be thinking of the g05. Does anyone know what I am refering to who can be more specific? Jon At 02:51 PM 4/4/00 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Problems with a WG6100 - gee what else is new? I got a Tempest with a dead monitor a few weeks ago and got around to looking at it this past weekend. When I say dead - I mean dead - no power, no neck glow, nothing. I installed both a cap kit and an upgrade kit from Bob Roberts as well as a LV2000. I resolderd all the connectors also. I followed the instructions with the LV2000 and adjusted the voltages with all the connectors on the deflection board unplugged. Carefully plugged everything back in and fired the game up - the monitor had no signs of life - after about 10 seconds the fuses at F100 and F101 blew. Got the troubleshooting flowchart out. I replaced the fuses and also had to replace the diodes at D102 and D103 - they fried when the fuses blew. I then unplugged the connectors at P100, P600, and P700 and fired the monitor up - the LV2000's led's came on and the fuses didn't blow. Proceeded to hook P100 back up - no problems. Hooked P600 and P700 back up and *POOF* two more fuses down the drain. But it didn't take the diodes out this time. So at this point you say its the chassis transisitors. I replaced all of them and the mica insulators as well. They all got a liberal amount of heatsink goop too. I checked continuity to make sure they are not making contact with the chassis and double checked them using the diode test that Gregg Woodcock describes. All are good. Anybody ever have any problems with the kits from Bob Roberts?? Somebody said that the transisitors he includes in the upgrade kit for replacements at Q604 and Q704 are the wrong ones. But I installed this exact same set-up in a monitor for a Black Widow with no problems. Anyone have any suggestions as to where to proceed from here? Should I replace the transisitors at Q603, Q703, Q604, and Q704? Wondering if they are the problem now. Thanks for the help. Walt <<<< --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue Apr 4 21:11:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA19603 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:11:04 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21348 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 17:51:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f X-Sent: 5 Apr 2000 00:50:03 GMT Message-ID: <38EA8CD1.9669C479@netconx.net> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:46:09 -0500 From: Todd Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Trouble with WG6100 References: <3.0.3.32.20000404191400.0072b430 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------EA252FF1A79C39BD84322BDA" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO --------------EA252FF1A79C39BD84322BDA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon Raiford wrote: > It also seems to me that there are a couple transistor > diagrams on the deflection board that are drawn wrong. The pins are > labeled correctly, but the half circle is backwards. Of course, I may be > thinking of the g05. Does anyone know what I am refering to who can be > more specific? I sure do ! I cap'd a 19" G05 to try to solve an intermittent problem, this didn't help so I decided to shotgun the transistors in a pre stage (both X & Y) and it got worse. Only after close examination, I found out that I replaced them all backwards ! I attributed this to either bad silk screen or the "D's" were reversed on the generic replacement transistor(s) TIS98's. It works now, but it drove me crazy at first. Todd --------------EA252FF1A79C39BD84322BDA Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon Raiford wrote:

It also seems to me that there are a couple transistor
diagrams on the deflection board that are drawn wrong. The pins are
labeled correctly, but the half circle is backwards. Of course, I may be
thinking of the g05. Does anyone know what I am refering to who can be
more specific?

I sure do !

I cap'd a 19" G05 to try to solve an intermittent problem, this didn't help so
I decided to shotgun the transistors in a pre stage (both X & Y) and it got
worse. Only after close examination, I found out that I replaced them all
backwards ! I attributed this to either bad silk screen or the "D's" were
reversed on the generic replacement transistor(s) TIS98's. It works now,
but it drove me crazy at first.

Todd --------------EA252FF1A79C39BD84322BDA-- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Apr 5 00:43:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA14155 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:43:08 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21916 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:19:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <20000405041756.84225.qmail > X-Originating-IP: [24.6.217.124] From: "Clay Cowgill" To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:17:56 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO > Other than the possible "nostalgia value" of doing it "the >old-fashioned way" instead of using "them new-fangled menus", I don't see >any disadvantage to it. "My car gets thirty rands to the hogshead and that's the way I like it!" > By the way - have you looked at Ramtron's ferroelectric RAM (FRAM) >parts for this kind of thing? Actually I've talked to them for stuff at work (didn't work out-- too low of density, too expensive, and not enough volume production). The main issue in this case is that the memory that does the saving is the same stuff that's shadowed over the regular RAM area-- the CPU is actually using the "save" RAM as page 0 and page 1 for the 6520. (So that means most of your game variables and all the stack. It'll get hit thousands of times a second.) I'm just using an ST MK48Z02. (Zeropower SRAM) Cheap and available with second sources. The battery is built-in, so ten years down the road people will just have to replace it. I'll socket it to make it easy. On the cool "geek" factor list it gives me the option to drop in one of their "timekeeper" versions and have a realtime clock too. (Ooooh-- high scores with the time and date it was set! ;-) -Clay ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Apr 5 00:46:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA14517 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:46:23 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21946 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:31:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <20000405043029.47741.qmail > X-Originating-IP: [24.6.217.124] From: "Clay Cowgill" To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:30:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO >I think menus would be great, as long as the sought after "attract modes" >always come up after letting the game idle for a while. Also, It would be >nice if the game didn't have to power down to get to the menus- for >example, >press all buttons at once or both player buttons and menu comes up. MAKE >SURE YOU ALLOW COIN PLAY... It's the only way I have to control myself and >my guests from playing till they can't play another round in their life. The more I do this kind of stuff the more I refine the features and am coming to a "standard" by which things work: 1) Coin play and Free play supported. 2) Menu system is called by simultaneously pressing P1 and P2 start. 3) Menu system is on-screen and hopefully basic functions are obvious. 4) Menu system has screen-saver mode. 5) Menu system allows a default game to be set and provides backdoor to get back to menu for owner/operator. 6) High Score save (as much as possible). 7) Game settings stored separately and set from menu system (as much as possible). So the first multigame I did (SW/ESB) really only did #1, and the last (Tempest) did 1-6 (with some limitations and options). The new stuff in the queue should pretty much do all of the list where possible. -Clay ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Apr 5 12:24:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA22569 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:23:58 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23807 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:00:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f From: nelsonjjjj To: vectorlist Subject: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? Message-Id: <05040096.32350@209.192.137.154> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:59:21 -0700 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Can I still beg for an eeprom solution? or at least external battery sram? When it boots, the eeprom data is read into ram, and eeprom is then only accessed then during menu or high score saves. I know this is more complicated, but if the battery backed sram doesn't at least have an external battery, Ram changes so often, it'll be a pain in 10-15 years. James ============================================= I'm just using an ST MK48Z02. (Zeropower SRAM) Cheap and available with second sources. The battery is built-in, so ten years down the road people will just have to replace it. ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Apr 5 12:44:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26260 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:44:14 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23952 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:33:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000405092847.00adbef0@207.20.108.98> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:31:30 -0700 To: vectorlist From: Anders Knudsen Subject: Re: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? In-Reply-To: <05040096.32350@209.192.137.154> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I don't know what their prices are, but Xicor makes those "parallel eeproms". Basically they look like an SRAM at the pins. Internally there is an eeprom, so that when power is lost, the contents of the SRAM is dumped into the internal eeprom. Then when power is restored, the contents of the eeprom is dumped into the SRAM. Pretty cool devices, but I'm sure Clay knows about these buggers. Example: http://www.xicor.com/product_summaries/x28hc64_summary.html -anders. At 08:59 AM 4/5/00 -0700, you wrote: >Can I still beg for an eeprom solution? or at least external >battery sram? When it boots, the eeprom data is read into ram, >and eeprom is then only accessed then during menu or high score >saves. I know this is more complicated, but if the battery backed >sram doesn't at least have an external battery, Ram changes so >often, it'll be a pain in 10-15 years. > >James > > >============================================= >I'm just using an ST MK48Z02. (Zeropower SRAM) Cheap and available >with second sources. The battery is built-in, so ten years down >the road people will just have to replace it. > >----- >Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) >The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Apr 5 13:23:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00619 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:23:52 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24093 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:03:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <6A8039E06136D31180140060B01B3B8401E5A56E > From: Mehrtens John-LJM071 To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:02:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO The best part of this device is the phrase found at the end of their description: "Inherent data retention is greater than 100 years" No worries about batteries, being an EEPROM device at heart. If any of the games I have are still usable in 100 years (I know I will be...to the organisms in the ground!), I'd be totally amazed. "Yeah, my great grandfather had these games at his place! It's a 'Vector' game, by Atari - you know, that Microsoft Games company after they bought Hasbro in 2012." I shudder to think about that last bit! John -----Original Message----- From: Anders Knudsen I don't know what their prices are, but Xicor makes those "parallel eeproms". Basically they look like an SRAM at the pins. Internally there is an eeprom, so that when power is lost, the contents of the SRAM is dumped into the internal eeprom. Then when power is restored, the contents of the eeprom is dumped into the SRAM. Pretty cool devices, but I'm sure Clay knows about these buggers. Example: http://www.xicor.com/product_summaries/x28hc64_summary.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Apr 5 13:58:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06146 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:58:54 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24235 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:39:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <38EB78AE.D3F4DAEA@ni.net> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:32:30 -0700 From: Matt Rossiter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Trouble with WG6100 References: <000801bf9e6f$36c98c40$8a00a8c0@PCN138> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I've gotten several games where someone beforehand mixed the transistors up. It's easy to assume that the transistors are in the right place. When in doubt, check the schematics. Make sure the PNP transistors aren't accidently swapped with the NPN transistors. Matt Walt wrote: > Problems with a WG6100 - gee what else is new? I got a Tempest with a > dead monitor a few weeks ago and got around to looking at it this past > weekend. When I say dead - I mean dead - no power, no neck glow, > nothing. I installed both a cap kit and an upgrade kit from Bob > Roberts as well as a LV2000. I resolderd all the connectors also. I > followed the instructions with the LV2000 and adjusted the voltages > with all the connectors on the deflection board unplugged. Carefully > plugged everything back in and fired the game up - the monitor had no > signs of life - after about 10 seconds the fuses at F100 and F101 > blew. Got the troubleshooting flowchart out. I replaced the fuses and > also had to replace the diodes at D102 and D103 - they fried when the > fuses blew. I then unplugged the connectors at P100, P600, and P700 > and fired the monitor up - the LV2000's led's came on and the fuses > didn't blow. Proceeded to hook P100 back up - no problems. Hooked > P600 and P700 back up and *POOF* two more fuses down the drain. But > it didn't take the diodes out this time. So at this point you say its > the chassis transisitors. I replaced all of them and the mica > insulators as well. They all got a liberal amount of heatsink goop > too. I checked continuity to make sure they are not making contact > with the chassis and double checked them using the diode test that > Gregg Woodcock describes. All are good. Anybody ever have any > problems with the kits from Bob Roberts?? Somebody said that the > transisitors he includes in the upgrade kit for replacements at Q604 > and Q704 are the wrong ones. But I installed this exact same set-up > in a monitor for a Black Widow with no problems. Anyone have any > suggestions as to where to proceed from here? Should I replace the > transisitors at Q603, Q703, Q604, and Q704? Wondering if they are the > problem now. Thanks for the help. Walt --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Apr 5 15:45:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24892 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:45:33 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24609 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:24:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <38EB9271.D3F309EB@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:22:26 -0500 From: Rodger Boots Organization: No noticable organization. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? References: <20000405041756.84225.qmail > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO The problem here is that the "10 year" battery life scares some of the collectors and that EEPROM wears out. So what you need is something that doesn't wear out and has no battery. And if you throw in nostalgia value also that only leaves one thing---magnetic core memory! (Running for cover at high speed!) Clay Cowgill wrote: > > Other than the possible "nostalgia value" of doing it "the > >old-fashioned way" instead of using "them new-fangled menus", I don't see > >any disadvantage to it. > > "My car gets thirty rands to the hogshead and that's the way I like it!" > > > By the way - have you looked at Ramtron's ferroelectric RAM (FRAM) > >parts for this kind of thing? > > Actually I've talked to them for stuff at work (didn't work out-- too low of > density, too expensive, and not enough volume production). > > The main issue in this case is that the memory that does the saving is the > same stuff that's shadowed over the regular RAM area-- the CPU is actually > using the "save" RAM as page 0 and page 1 for the 6520. (So that means most > of your game variables and all the stack. It'll get hit thousands of times > a second.) > > I'm just using an ST MK48Z02. (Zeropower SRAM) Cheap and available with > second sources. The battery is built-in, so ten years down the road people > will just have to replace it. I'll socket it to make it easy. On the cool > "geek" factor list it gives me the option to drop in one of their > "timekeeper" versions and have a realtime clock too. (Ooooh-- high scores > with the time and date it was set! ;-) > > -Clay > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . -- Windows: 32 bit graphical interface for a 16 bit patch for an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Apr 5 16:13:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA29535 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:13:35 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24792 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:54:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <20000405195335.96318.qmail > X-Originating-IP: [24.6.217.124] From: "Clay Cowgill" To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:53:35 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO >Can I still beg for an eeprom solution? or at least external >battery sram? When it boots, the eeprom data is read into ram, >and eeprom is then only accessed then during menu or high score >saves. I know this is more complicated, but if the battery backed >sram doesn't at least have an external battery, Ram changes so >often, it'll be a pain in 10-15 years. You can beg, but it won't do any good. ;-) Adding additional EEPROM burdens the cost and size of the product. The ST/Dallas Zeropower SRAMs are designed to do this kind of thing, hence why I'm using it. If you're *really* worried about it, just buy a 1 or 2 spare MK48Z02 from Jameco for ~$6 each. Tape them inside the cabinet with the PCB. The clock doesn't start ticking on the 10+ year battery life until power is first applied, so between that and whatever comes on the kit you're covered for a good thirty years. By then we'll all be paying $47 each for antique 74LSxx parts anyway (since everything else will be using 0.25 volt power supplies and won't interface to TTL anymore :-). -Clay ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Apr 5 16:28:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA32146 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:28:46 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24856 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:02:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <20000405200128.90857.qmail > X-Originating-IP: [24.6.217.124] From: "Clay Cowgill" To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:01:28 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO >I don't know what their prices are, but Xicor makes those "parallel >eeproms". >Basically they look like an SRAM at the pins. Internally there is an >eeprom, so that when power is lost, the contents of the SRAM is dumped into >the internal eeprom. Then when power is restored, the contents of the >eeprom is dumped into the SRAM. Pretty cool devices, but I'm sure Clay >knows about these buggers. Yeah, those are cool, but I really only wanted 2K parts. A few variations on the X28HC line are already at EOL already, and the 8K versions are about 40% more expensive than what I have now. Once again, for the truely paranoid, someone can make a socket adapter for one and plug one into the board and it'll probably work OK. :-) -Clay ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Apr 5 16:35:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00541 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:35:03 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24920 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:12:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <20000405201052.28918.qmail > X-Originating-IP: [24.6.217.124] From: "Clay Cowgill" To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:10:52 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO >The problem here is that the "10 year" battery life scares some of the >collectors and that EEPROM wears out. So what you need is something that >doesn't wear out and has no battery. And if you throw in nostalgia value >also >that only leaves one thing---magnetic core memory! (Running for cover at >high >speed!) Remember the Mindset PC? It had bubble-memory cartridges, maybe there's some of those out there in surplus land. ;-) I think that 10-20 years down the road there will be larger problems than replacing a battery-backed SRAM chip involved in keeping these old games running... -Clay ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Apr 5 16:47:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA02625 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:47:14 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24988 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:26:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000405124849.00adea30@207.20.108.98> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:25:04 -0700 To: vectorlist From: Anders Knudsen Subject: Re: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? In-Reply-To: <38EB9271.D3F309EB@cedar-rapids.net> References: <20000405041756.84225.qmail > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by synthcom.com id NAA24985 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Roger my friend ;-) from the Xicor page you can see that: � High Reliability �Endurance: 1 Million Cycles �Data Retention: 100 Years Let's look at the "wear-out" factor of the eeprom in this device. If you turn your machine on/off 1 time every day (I'm sure you're not with this frequency, but it's an example,) then at 1 million cycles we're looking at an endurance of around 2700 years...LOL. -anders ;-) At 02:22 PM 4/5/00 -0500, you wrote: >The problem here is that the "10 year" battery life scares some of the >collectors and that EEPROM wears out. So what you need is something that >doesn't wear out and has no battery. And if you throw in nostalgia value also >that only leaves one thing---magnetic core memory! (Running for cover at high >speed!) > > >Clay Cowgill wrote: > > > > Other than the possible "nostalgia value" of doing it "the > > >old-fashioned way" instead of using "them new-fangled menus", I don't see > > >any disadvantage to it. > > > > "My car gets thirty rands to the hogshead and that's the way I like it!" > > > > > By the way - have you looked at Ramtron's ferroelectric RAM (FRAM) > > >parts for this kind of thing? > > > > Actually I've talked to them for stuff at work (didn't work out-- too > low of > > density, too expensive, and not enough volume production). > > > > The main issue in this case is that the memory that does the saving is the > > same stuff that's shadowed over the regular RAM area-- the CPU is actually > > using the "save" RAM as page 0 and page 1 for the 6520. (So that means > most > > of your game variables and all the stack. It'll get hit thousands of times > > a second.) > > > > I'm just using an ST MK48Z02. (Zeropower SRAM) Cheap and available with > > second sources. The battery is built-in, so ten years down the road people > > will just have to replace it. I'll socket it to make it easy. On the cool > > "geek" factor list it gives me the option to drop in one of their > > "timekeeper" versions and have a realtime clock too. (Ooooh-- high scores > > with the time and date it was set! ;-) > > > > -Clay > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > >-- >Windows: > >32 bit graphical interface for a >16 bit patch for an >8 bit operating system written for a >4 bit processor by a >2 bit company that can't stand >1 bit of competition. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Apr 5 18:10:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA16314 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:10:55 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25320 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:38:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <006201bf9f47$375e8920$0d01a8c0@kevin2> From: "Kev" To: References: <20000405201052.28918.qmail > Subject: Re: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:37:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Didn't Konami experiment with bubble memory? I don't think it ever made it to a production game. Kev mowerman > > Remember the Mindset PC? It had bubble-memory cartridges, maybe there's > some of those out there in surplus land. ;-) > > I think that 10-20 years down the road there will be larger problems than > replacing a battery-backed SRAM chip involved in keeping these old games > running... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Apr 5 22:44:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA21306 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:44:56 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26360 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:28:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <38EBF5B3.D3BD6EBC@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:25:55 -0500 From: Rodger Boots Organization: No noticable organization. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? References: <20000405201052.28918.qmail > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Clay Cowgill wrote: > >The problem here is that the "10 year" battery life scares some of the > >collectors and that EEPROM wears out. So what you need is something that > >doesn't wear out and has no battery. And if you throw in nostalgia value > >also > >that only leaves one thing---magnetic core memory! (Running for cover at > >high > >speed!) > > Remember the Mindset PC? It had bubble-memory cartridges, maybe there's > some of those out there in surplus land. ;-) > Actually, if you don't need a LOT of memory you could always use Tormat assemblies from Seeburg jukeboxes. (All right, I'm just being silly now.) > > I think that 10-20 years down the road there will be larger problems than > replacing a battery-backed SRAM chip involved in keeping these old games > running... > > -Clay > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . -- Windows: 32 bit graphical interface for a 16 bit patch for an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Apr 5 22:47:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA21542 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:47:09 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26391 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:36:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Authentication-Warning: beacon.synthcom.com: majordom set sender to owner-vectorlist using -f Message-ID: <38EBF7A9.1D28D0D8@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:34:17 -0500 From: Rodger Boots Organization: No noticable organization. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Soft game settings vs. dipswitches? References: <20000405041756.84225.qmail > <4.2.2.20000405124849.00adea30@207.20.108.98> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO >From an earlier post, Clay said the device was going to be in the page 0/page 1 area of RAM, where it would be accessed possibly several THOUSAND times a SECOND. That is why he didn't want EEPROM. Plus EEPROM needs an erase and rewrite cycle that takes too long to be directly useful. For a tiny amount of storage that gets very little rewrite, like high scores and DIP switches, EEPROM works fine.