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Hello All,
    I hope that somebody may be able to help me with a problem that I have
with an Atari Asteroids board. The PCB passes selftest OK, and I have
verified that ROM, RAM and all I/O is working correctly. However, the PCB
when switched into game mode, displays a diagonal line on the monitor and
then resets? Anybody seen this before? Is there any hardware that the game
uses but the self test doesn't  i.e. all levels of the vector jump stack ?

Regards

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Ahhhh! Finally may be able to give advice on this list without taking, taking, taking...

My Asteroids board did this (no diagonal line just blank). Self test was fine.

After much searching, replacing the rom sockets did the trick. Sockets tested
good, but obviously were not.

Cheers
Paul



Mike Mnemonic wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
>     I hope that somebody may be able to help me with a problem that I have
> with an Atari Asteroids board. The PCB passes selftest OK, and I have
> verified that ROM, RAM and all I/O is working correctly. However, the PCB
> when switched into game mode, displays a diagonal line on the monitor and
> then resets? Anybody seen this before? Is there any hardware that the game
> uses but the self test doesn't  i.e. all levels of the vector jump stack ?
> 
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Anyone seen this auction?:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1129833269

Apparantly this guy has designed a monitor which can support both vector and raster games... (yeah right)..

Either that or it's a MAME cabinet..

It's even been "upgraded" to play with a joystick!  I can hardly wait to try Tempest with a joystick... NOT!

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I'm getting a lot of people coming to the shop buying buttons etc to build 
MAME cabinets. That is the only explanation I have. Sheesh.

John :-#(#

At 09:14 AM 4/1/2001, you wrote:
>Anyone seen this auction?:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1129833269
>
>Apparantly this guy has designed a monitor which can support both vector 
>and raster games... (yeah right)..
>
>Either that or it's a MAME cabinet..
>
>It's even been "upgraded" to play with a joystick!  I can hardly wait to 
>try Tempest with a joystick... NOT!
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 12:52:19 -0700, you wrote:

>I'm getting a lot of people coming to the shop buying buttons etc to build 
>MAME cabinets. That is the only explanation I have. Sheesh.

	Now, now...  MAME cabinets _do_ serve a need; there's lots of people
who simply don't have the room for a large videogame collection, and lots
of games which are difficult or impossible to find in their original form
even if they _did_ have the space...  and the game experience just _isn't_
the same when you're sitting in a chair with one of those dinky little
Nintendo-esque controllers.  A MAME cabinet lets you play them they way God
intended them to be played: standing up, with heavy-duty controllers that
you can slam around and a heavy particleboard cabinet that you can kick
when you inevitably lose. :)

	Granted, vector games on a MAME machine _still_ aren't entirely the
same, but...

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Ah, but they are taking what looks like a very nice Tempest cabaret (which 
don't grow on trees as it is) and ruining it. That's the 'Sheesh'. There 
is, of course, the legal aspect of that auction. I suspect eBay would be 
interested in that, as MAME clearly states that you must have the game 
board in your possession to run the games. I know, I know, who cares for 
home use-but this person is SELLING one of these...

John :-#)#

At 01:19 PM 4/1/2001, you wrote:
>On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 12:52:19 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >I'm getting a lot of people coming to the shop buying buttons etc to build
> >MAME cabinets. That is the only explanation I have. Sheesh.
>
>         Now, now...  MAME cabinets _do_ serve a need; there's lots of people
>who simply don't have the room for a large videogame collection, and lots
>of games which are difficult or impossible to find in their original form
>even if they _did_ have the space...  and the game experience just _isn't_
>the same when you're sitting in a chair with one of those dinky little
>Nintendo-esque controllers.  A MAME cabinet lets you play them they way God
>intended them to be played: standing up, with heavy-duty controllers that
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>when you inevitably lose. :)
>
>         Granted, vector games on a MAME machine _still_ aren't entirely the
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Here is the seller's response to my question.  It is a MAME cabinet, after all:

>The game is running MAME on a DOS box.  It can play
>up to 2000 games by downloading them off the Internet and
>loading them into the C:\MAME\ROMS folder on the
>machine.  It uses a VGA monitor and that is how it can
>play vector and standard res games.

>I bought it off a guy at a Flea market about two years ago
>and I need the space, so I am selling it.  It is a lot of fun.

Noel

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>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1129833269
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>
>Either that or it's a MAME cabinet..
>
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:37:13 -0700, you wrote:

>Ah, but they are taking what looks like a very nice Tempest cabaret (which 
>don't grow on trees as it is) and ruining it. That's the 'Sheesh'. There 

	Ah...  I hadn't looked at the auction in question.  I'll agree with you
there; the only cabinets which should be MAME'd are either cabs which you
built yourself, or those relatively generic models all the knock-off
"clone" games showed up in.  (Or any JAMMA fighting-game cabinet, as IMO
those games serve no useful purpose anyway. :) )  Converting unique
cabinets like TEMPEST should be a hanging offense.

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I have 2 USBs that I'm trying to get working before this weekend,
hopefully somebody can help me out.I'm only really worried about
getting 1 working.

1st-No sounds work,just a static hiss.Replaced 2114s along with a
      known good processor and crystal,no change.

2nd-all sounds work only they never shut off fully.If a higher pitched
        sound is played then a high pitched squeal continues after the
actual
        sound is done.Same with lower pitched sounds,and every sound does
        it.

I can't swap between boards since 1 has most items socketed(1st)and the
other only have 4 or 5 socketed.If this fails does somebody have a working
USB they'd be willing to trade for a working Battlestar SB?

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>    I hope that somebody may be able to help me with a problem that I have
>with an Atari Asteroids board. The PCB passes selftest OK, and I have
>verified that ROM, RAM and all I/O is working correctly. However, the PCB
>when switched into game mode, displays a diagonal line on the monitor and
>then resets? Anybody seen this before? Is there any hardware that the game
>uses but the self test doesn't  i.e. all levels of the vector jump stack ?


May be a bad PROM at location C8.  This is not part of the program ROM; it's
sorta/kinda an address-decoding circuit.  I ran into this very same problem
a few months ago and, sure enough, that chip was bad.  Replacing it cured
the problem.

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Can a VGA monitor be used in place of a vector monitor in a vector game. Would that work? Just wondering because
I can't locate a xy monitor for my Star Wars upright. Reading this posting made me wonder.
Dan

Noel Johnson wrote:

> Here is the seller's response to my question.  It is a MAME cabinet, after all:
>
> >The game is running MAME on a DOS box.  It can play
> >up to 2000 games by downloading them off the Internet and
> >loading them into the C:\MAME\ROMS folder on the
> >machine.  It uses a VGA monitor and that is how it can
> >play vector and standard res games.
>
> >I bought it off a guy at a Flea market about two years ago
> >and I need the space, so I am selling it.  It is a lot of fun.
>
> Noel
>
> >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 09:14:45 -0700
> >From: "Noel Johnson" <nej2001 >
> >To: vectorlist 
> >Subject: VECTOR: Vector/Raster switchable monitor?
> >Reply-To: vectorlist 
> >
> >Anyone seen this auction?:
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1129833269
> >
> >Apparantly this guy has designed a monitor which can support both vector and raster games... (yeah right)..
> >
> >Either that or it's a MAME cabinet..
> >
> >It's even been "upgraded" to play with a joystick!  I can hardly wait to try Tempest with a joystick... NOT!
> >
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Can a VGA monitor be used in place of a vector monitor in a vector game.
Would that work? Just wondering because I can't locate a xy monitor for
my Star Wars upright. Reading this posting made me wonder.
<br>Dan
<p>Noel Johnson wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Here is the seller's response to my question.&nbsp;
It is a MAME cabinet, after all:
<p>>The game is running MAME on a DOS box.&nbsp; It can play
<br>>up to 2000 games by downloading them off the Internet and
<br>>loading them into the C:\MAME\ROMS folder on the
<br>>machine.&nbsp; It uses a VGA monitor and that is how it can
<br>>play vector and standard res games.
<p>>I bought it off a guy at a Flea market about two years ago
<br>>and I need the space, so I am selling it.&nbsp; It is a lot of fun.
<p>Noel
<p>>Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 09:14:45 -0700
<br>>From: "Noel Johnson" &lt;nej2001 >
<br>>To: vectorlist 
<br>>Subject: VECTOR: Vector/Raster switchable monitor?
<br>>Reply-To: vectorlist 
<br>>
<br>>Anyone seen this auction?:
<br>>
<br>><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1129833269">http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=1129833269</a>
<br>>
<br>>Apparantly this guy has designed a monitor which can support both
vector and raster games... (yeah right)..
<br>>
<br>>Either that or it's a MAME cabinet..
<br>>
<br>>It's even been "upgraded" to play with a joystick!&nbsp; I can hardly
wait to try Tempest with a joystick... NOT!
<br>>
<br>>noel
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What's up with this Gravitar? Check out the pic at this (incredibly long)
url:

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It's from an eBay auction (not mine) that you can find easily if you have
difficulty with this url.

I don't think the photo has been edited as there is white present. What
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On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, chumblespuzz wrote:

> I don't think the photo has been edited as there is white present. What
> gives?

The answer is in the copy of the auction itself:

>And it has a very nicely done paintjob
>Around the perimeter of the full body stickers.

Sounds like it's been painted.


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Doh!

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> On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, chumblespuzz wrote:
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> > I don't think the photo has been edited as there is white present. What
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>
> The answer is in the copy of the auction itself:
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> >Around the perimeter of the full body stickers.
>
> Sounds like it's been painted.
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That disaster of a machine has been around the South East quite a bit : )

When I first heard of it, it was being sold as an empty cabinet.  I passed on
the deal because I didn't want to take on the project of finding all the Grav
parts.  Another guy I know bought it, and it turned out to be a complete machine
(dammit!!!) except the edge connector on the boardset was broken off.  He told
me it was painted yellow and had this silly doorbell credit button.  He got a
board for it, repaired the monitor, and sold it to who knows.  Apparently they
tired of it quickly because not long after, it showed up at the Atlanta Super
Auction (not the last one but the one before last.)

John Russo paid $450 for it.  I couldn't believe it.  I figured it wasn't worth
much more than the monitor and boardset could go for parted out.  After having
to pay fees, and drag that thing home to Florida, I can only imagine what the
reserve is, and what his perceived value of it is.

Richard

chumblespuzz wrote:

> What's up with this Gravitar? Check out the pic at this (incredibly long)
> url:
>
> http://www.auctiva.com/fastPix/v1/fastPix.asp?pc=1&p1=Gravitar.jpg&p2=&p3=&p
> 4=&p5=&p6=&p7=&p8=&p9=&p10=&p11=&p12=&u=http://pix.auctiva.com/pix/05/00/48/
> &
>
> It's from an eBay auction (not mine) that you can find easily if you have
> difficulty with this url.
>
> I don't think the photo has been edited as there is white present. What
> gives?
>
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That disaster of a machine has been around the South East quite a bit :
)
<p>When I first heard of it, it was being sold as an empty cabinet.&nbsp;
I passed on the deal because I didn't want to take on the project of finding
all the Grav parts.&nbsp; Another guy I know bought it, and it turned out
to be a complete machine (dammit!!!) except the edge connector on the boardset
was broken off.&nbsp; He told me it was painted yellow and had this silly
doorbell credit button.&nbsp; He got a board for it, repaired the monitor,
and sold it to who knows.&nbsp; Apparently they tired of it quickly because
not long after, it showed up at the Atlanta Super Auction (not the last
one but the one before last.)
<p>John Russo paid $450 for it.&nbsp; I couldn't believe it.&nbsp; I figured
it wasn't worth much more than the monitor and boardset could go for parted
out.&nbsp; After having to pay fees, and drag that thing home to Florida,
I can only imagine what the reserve is, and what his perceived value of
it is.
<p>Richard
<p>chumblespuzz wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>What's up with this Gravitar? Check out the pic at
this (incredibly long)
<br>url:
<p><a href="http://www.auctiva.com/fastPix/v1/fastPix.asp?pc=1&p1=Gravitar.jpg&p2=&p3=&p">http://www.auctiva.com/fastPix/v1/fastPix.asp?pc=1&amp;p1=Gravitar.jpg&amp;p2=&amp;p3=&amp;p</a>
<br>4=&amp;p5=&amp;p6=&amp;p7=&amp;p8=&amp;p9=&amp;p10=&amp;p11=&amp;p12=&amp;u=<a href="http://pix.auctiva.com/pix/05/00/48/">http://pix.auctiva.com/pix/05/00/48/</a>
<br>&amp;
<p>It's from an eBay auction (not mine) that you can find easily if you
have
<br>difficulty with this url.
<p>I don't think the photo has been edited as there is white present. What
<br>gives?
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I just got back from the ASI game show in 'Vegas.  There is a company that makes an arcade cabinet using a MAME
ripoff.  They are SO proud of it, and will tell you at great length why it's so much better than MAME because
"we have licenses to the games we use".  It would be cute to look at their software and see if it isn't an
illegal MAME copy.

Total turkeys!

This machine, though, isn't that.  As a later letter says, it IS a DOS version of MAME with a VGA monitor.


Noel Johnson wrote:

> Anyone seen this auction?:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1129833269
>
> Apparantly this guy has designed a monitor which can support both vector and raster games... (yeah right)..
>
> Either that or it's a MAME cabinet..
>
> It's even been "upgraded" to play with a joystick!  I can hardly wait to try Tempest with a joystick... NOT!
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Offered for your amusement...

http://www.multigame.com/clean_MJ.JPG

(Controller boards on bottom, Edge boards on top ;-)

When it comes to old boards, I like a two-step process:

Part 1:
a) Remove socketed chips
b) spray with 409
c) scrub lightly with a clean paint-brush (or toothbrush if it's really 
nasty)
d) wash off with tap-water

Part 2:
a) make sure wife is gone for a few hours
b) put board in dishwasher (no soap)
c) run for a cycle
d) shake dry, then pat with good towel
e) double-check that wife is still gone
f) pre-heat oven to lowest setting (170F on ours)
g) turn oven *off*, then put board in and let sit for a few hours.

(should probably technically really use distilled water, but I never had any 
problems)

If at all possible I try not to wash potentiometers, crystals, unsealed 
switches, or relays.  Vibrations from a dish-washer (or an ultra-sonic 
cleaner in particular) can kinda "weld" relays shut-- a hard whack on the 
counter will generally "un-weld" them.

Oh, it's *really* bad to have a board in the oven and have your significant 
other turn the oven to "preheat" to bake a cake and leave the room...  (When 
this happens, turn the oven *off*, open the windows, and let the board cool 
before removing it-- lowtemp solder can reflow at ~330F or so, grabbing the 
board right away might wind up with a bunch of solder in the bottom of the 
oven!  Boards seem to survive this BTW, not much worse than the 
assembly-line as long as it wasn't for *too* long.  Sending flowers the next 
day is probably smart. ;-)

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Rodger,

You're not talking about the Ultracade that was at CGE2K last year. It does
mainly the Taito and Konami games at the moment. It looked better than MAME
but they wouldn't show the actual hardware to me.

Cheers
Paul

Rodger Boots wrote:
> 
> I just got back from the ASI game show in 'Vegas.  There is a company that makes an arcade cabinet using a MAME
> ripoff.  They are SO proud of it, and will tell you at great length why it's so much better than MAME because
> "we have licenses to the games we use".  It would be cute to look at their software and see if it isn't an
> illegal MAME copy.
> 
> Total turkeys!
> 
> This machine, though, isn't that.  As a later letter says, it IS a DOS version of MAME with a VGA monitor.
> 
> Noel Johnson wrote:
> 
> > Anyone seen this auction?:
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1129833269
> >
> > Apparantly this guy has designed a monitor which can support both vector and raster games... (yeah right)..
> >
> > Either that or it's a MAME cabinet..
> >
> > It's even been "upgraded" to play with a joystick!  I can hardly wait to try Tempest with a joystick... NOT!
> >
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My BattleZone plays great and as far as I can tell, passes the self test.
It has one problem that I am aware of.  When the player gets to enter his
initials at the end of the game by pushing or pulling the stick, it has no
effect on the letter that is chosen.  Instead, the letter advances to the
next one in the alphabet, constantly, regardless of how the stick is
positioned.  It does not affect anything if I push the stick back and forth.
My first impression was that the switch might be stuck in the up position,
but it works normally in game play mode.  So then I figured that the Pokeys
might be to blame, so I replaced those.  No difference.  Does anyone know
what it is, off hand?  I have not yet taken the time to try to examine the
signals on the board, so I'll do that next.  I just figured someone might
know off the top of their head and save me a little time.

Thanks for your help!
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Not that any of this has happened to you - just a comment on what *may* 
possibly happen if the wife comes home and sees this going on.

: )

My wife had a real interesting expression on her face when I told her that 
I needed the dishwasher to clean Asteroids parts.


         - Matt



>Part 2:
>a) make sure wife is gone for a few hours
>e) double-check that wife is still gone
>f) pre-heat oven to lowest setting (170F on ours)
>g) turn oven *off*, then put board in and let sit for a few hours.
>
>Oh, it's *really* bad to have a board in the oven and have your 
>significant other turn the oven to "preheat" to bake a cake and leave the 
>room...  (When this happens, turn the oven *off*, open the windows, and 
>let the board cool before removing it-- lowtemp solder can reflow at ~330F 
>or so, grabbing the board right away might wind up with a bunch of solder 
>in the bottom of the oven!  Boards seem to survive this BTW, not much 
>worse than the assembly-line as long as it wasn't for *too* long.  Sending 
>flowers the next day is probably smart. ;-)
>
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This page has disappeared from the link...anyone have it and I'll pop it up 
on my site, plus Al could copy it to Spies, if not already done...

John :-#)#

At 06:46 AM 3/7/2001, you wrote:
>Here's a useful page from Intersil's site referencing different types of olden
>day RAMs.
>
>I copied it from the Intersil site some time ago, and I've stuck it on my
>webspace cos I can't find it again on the Intersil site.
>
>http://www.freedomprojects.co.uk/ramxref.mht
>
>Note that it's an .mht file i.e. a single file with all text and graphics in
>it. You might need IE5 to view it.
>
>Phillip Eaton (D-Type/Flip-Flop)
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http://www.silicon-r.net/s-ram.html

is also it :)

Andy
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> This page has disappeared from the link...anyone have it and I'll pop it
up
> on my site, plus Al could copy it to Spies, if not already done...
>
> John :-#)#
>
> At 06:46 AM 3/7/2001, you wrote:
> >Here's a useful page from Intersil's site referencing different types of
olden
> >day RAMs.
> >
> >I copied it from the Intersil site some time ago, and I've stuck it on my
> >webspace cos I can't find it again on the Intersil site.
> >
> >http://www.freedomprojects.co.uk/ramxref.mht
> >
> >Note that it's an .mht file i.e. a single file with all text and graphics
in
> >it. You might need IE5 to view it.
> >
> >Phillip Eaton (D-Type/Flip-Flop)
> >-------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Tel:   +44 (0)1536 504434/268424     Fax:    +44 (0)845 334 8195
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This link works fine for me, I've just downloaded the page and all the PDF's
just in case... http://www.freedomprojects.co.uk/ramxref.mht
Maybe there was a temporary net fault...
If anybody wants it, email me marc .au and I'll zip it up and
email it to you.

Marc


> From: John Robertson <jrr >
> This page has disappeared from the link...anyone have it and I'll pop it up 
> on my site, plus Al could copy it to Spies, if not already done...
> 
> John :-#)#
> 
> At 06:46 AM 3/7/2001, you wrote:
> >Here's a useful page from Intersil's site referencing different types of olden
> >day RAMs.
> >
> >I copied it from the Intersil site some time ago, and I've stuck it on my
> >webspace cos I can't find it again on the Intersil site.
> >
> >http://www.freedomprojects.co.uk/ramxref.mht
> >
> >Note that it's an .mht file i.e. a single file with all text and graphics in
> >it. You might need IE5 to view it.
> >
> >Phillip Eaton (D-Type/Flip-Flop)


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Hi,
In case anyone is interested, Richardson does have these in stock, they do
come with ears if you order online, price is still $165, shipping was less
than $9 (from Kansas to Missouri), and the tube was delivered 4 business
days after I placed the order. Now if I only had a WG6100 deflection
board....
Lewis

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> Not sure why they would ask you about mounting ears.  If you ask for a
19VLUP22
> it will, by definition, have ears.  If it didn't it would no longer be a
> 19VLUP22.
>


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what is the voltage for driving the deflector on the tube...  I may know where
you can find some very accurate deflection circuits schematics...  any maybe
even some pre-made boards

Lewis Mills wrote:

> Hi,
> In case anyone is interested, Richardson does have these in stock, they do
> come with ears if you order online, price is still $165, shipping was less
> than $9 (from Kansas to Missouri), and the tube was delivered 4 business
> days after I placed the order. Now if I only had a WG6100 deflection
> board....
> Lewis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: VECTOR: Tube ears?
>
> > Not sure why they would ask you about mounting ears.  If you ask for a
> 19VLUP22
> > it will, by definition, have ears.  If it didn't it would no longer be a
> > 19VLUP22.
> >
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> 
> I just got back from the ASI game show in 'Vegas.  There is a company that makes an arcade cabinet using a MAME
> ripoff.  They are SO proud of it, and will tell you at great length why it's so much better than MAME because
> "we have licenses to the games we use".  It would be cute to look at their software and see if it isn't an
> illegal MAME copy.
> 
> Total turkeys!
> 
> This machine, though, isn't that.  As a later letter says, it IS a DOS version of MAME with a VGA monitor.
> 
> 
> Noel Johnson wrote:
> 
MAME IS DOS!

also, if you use a modified CGA/EGA card, you can use an arcade monitor!

Then again,vga monitors are cheaper than real arcade monitors now.

though i doubt that a vga monitor will still work in 20 years.
(unlike my electrohome,wells-gardner & hantarex ones!)

L8r.

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> 
> My BattleZone plays great and as far as I can tell, passes the self test.
> It has one problem that I am aware of.  When the player gets to enter his
> initials at the end of the game by pushing or pulling the stick, it has no
> effect on the letter that is chosen.  Instead, the letter advances to the
> next one in the alphabet, constantly, regardless of how the stick is
> positioned.  It does not affect anything if I push the stick back and forth.
> My first impression was that the switch might be stuck in the up position,
> but it works normally in game play mode.  So then I figured that the Pokeys
> might be to blame, so I replaced those.  No difference.  Does anyone know
> what it is, off hand?  I have not yet taken the time to try to examine the
> signals on the board, so I'll do that next.  I just figured someone might
> know off the top of their head and save me a little time.
> 
> Thanks for your help!
> Joel-
> 

check the eproms, NOT WITH TESTMODE - USE AN EPROM PROGRAMMER AND COMPARE THE CHECKSUMS WITH MAME!


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-----Original Message-----
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> 
> Hi,
> In case anyone is interested, Richardson does have these in stock, they do
> come with ears if you order online, price is still $165, shipping was less
> than $9 (from Kansas to Missouri), and the tube was delivered 4 business
> days after I placed the order. Now if I only had a WG6100 deflection
> board....
> Lewis
> 
You could build a deflexion pcb in an afternoon, just use stripboard for most of it, and put the high-power stuff on a big heatsink.

(i take-it you have the HT-Box & yoke?)

L8r.

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> 
> Offered for your amusement...
> 
> http://www.multigame.com/clean_MJ.JPG
> 
> (Controller boards on bottom, Edge boards on top ;-)
> 
> When it comes to old boards, I like a two-step process:
> 
> Part 1:
> a) Remove socketed chips
> b) spray with 409
> c) scrub lightly with a clean paint-brush (or toothbrush if it's really 
> nasty)
> d) wash off with tap-water
> 
> Part 2:
> a) make sure wife is gone for a few hours
> b) put board in dishwasher (no soap)
> c) run for a cycle
> d) shake dry, then pat with good towel
> e) double-check that wife is still gone
> f) pre-heat oven to lowest setting (170F on ours)
> g) turn oven *off*, then put board in and let sit for a few hours.
> 
What is '409' ???
when things are REALLY bad i use ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL
(also known as PROPAN-2-OL)

not so sure about the oven bit, i think good airflow is important,
thats why i use the fanheater or hairdryer.


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On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, peter jones wrote:

> What is '409' ???

I'ld guess Formula 409 -- a spray household cleaner.

-Chris


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> Some video games have a semi-silvered mirror in order to superimpose
> some background on the display.  I was wondering... if I had two
> monitors (or more likely flat panels, because of size constraints)
> separated by a 45 degree semi-silvered mirror, so that they appeared
> superimposed, and if I put a sheet of polarizing film in front of
> each, at 90 degrees to each other, would the polarized light stay
> polarized through the semi-silvered mirror?  Because if that worked,
> I could make a real neat true 3D game using x-y polarized glasses
> (which anyone who's ever been to a 3D Imax will know is a *much*
> more eye-friendly solution than anything that has a separate views
> for each eye, such as a Holmes scope or electronic piezo-electric
> glasses that switch at 50Hz.

You don't even need to be that complex!  You just need 2 images driven at 2
different focal points (depths).  Do a web search on "Dark Planet" (a 3D
Sega game that used 2 monitors and mirror tricks to do just what you are
describing)...

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peter jones wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rodger Boots <rlboots@cedar-rapids.net>
> To: vectorlist 
> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 01:08:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: VECTOR: Vector/Raster switchable monitor?
>
> >
> > I just got back from the ASI game show in 'Vegas.  There is a company that makes an arcade cabinet using a MAME
> > ripoff.  They are SO proud of it, and will tell you at great length why it's so much better than MAME because
> > "we have licenses to the games we use".  It would be cute to look at their software and see if it isn't an
> > illegal MAME copy.
> >
> > Total turkeys!
> >
> > This machine, though, isn't that.  As a later letter says, it IS a DOS version of MAME with a VGA monitor.
> >
> >
> > Noel Johnson wrote:
> >
> MAME IS DOS!

MAME is DOS/ WIN32/ LINUX.. and a few others
there are several MAME frontends that can boot from DOS, give a menu system, for selecting games...  set modes etc...
including running directly off a Arcade Monitor, there are a few Issues like not turning on the Monitor til the MAME
frontend sets the refresh rate to something that won't destroy the monitor

>
> also, if you use a modified CGA/EGA card, you can use an arcade monitor!

>
> Then again,vga monitors are cheaper than real arcade monitors now.

Certain VGA cards can drive "Arcade" Monitors..  in a non-standard refresh rate,  ATI Rage Cards can.. I've done it

>
>
> though i doubt that a vga monitor will still work in 20 years.
> (unlike my electrohome,wells-gardner & hantarex ones!)

Isn't that the truth :)



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> > Some video games have a semi-silvered mirror in order to superimpose
> > some background on the display.  I was wondering... if I had two
> > monitors (or more likely flat panels, because of size constraints)
> > separated by a 45 degree semi-silvered mirror, so that they appeared
> > superimposed, and if I put a sheet of polarizing film in front of
> > each, at 90 degrees to each other, would the polarized light stay
> > polarized through the semi-silvered mirror?  Because if that worked,
> > I could make a real neat true 3D game using x-y polarized glasses
> > (which anyone who's ever been to a 3D Imax will know is a *much*
> > more eye-friendly solution than anything that has a separate views
> > for each eye, such as a Holmes scope or electronic piezo-electric
> > glasses that switch at 50Hz.
> 
> You don't even need to be that complex!  You just need 2 images driven at 2
> different focal points (depths).  Do a web search on "Dark Planet" (a 3D
> Sega game that used 2 monitors and mirror tricks to do just what you are
> describing)...

That would just get you 2 depth levels. Another neat trick I read about
a long time ago:

Use a round flexible mirror. Place a large bass driver behind it (perhaps
glue the mirror to the speaker?). Drive the speaker at 30 Hz and reflect
a vector display in it. The mirror flexes with the sound causing changes
in curvature that cause the vector monitor to sweep through a range of
depths. Now you need to sync your vectors properly because time determines
depth. Ya, it's hokey and makes a stupid hummm.

As for the polarized setup, I can't say for sure, but I don't think you
lose polarization when reflecting off a mirror. I don't see much use in
having a flat display either, the shutter glasses seem to do the job on
a curved surface. Then again, the distortion may cause some people
headaches. The thing I hate most is these companies that modify the
D3D driver to generate 2 images and ignore the fact that polygon
visibility is NOT the same for both views. Oh, another way to compensate
for the curvature of the 2 monitors: ray trace the images - you just
build the distortion into the "cameras" then.

BTW, there are no LCD vector displays, so you must be talking about a
generic 3D display and are therefore off-topic :-)
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Sorry for the off-topic post, but I'm running out of time.

Is there anyone in the Philadelphia area who would like to see the Flyers vs. Panthers hockey game tonight?  We are leaving my house in Delaware around 6:00pm for a 7:30 game.

Jon

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> Use a round flexible mirror. Place a large bass driver behind it (perhaps
> glue the mirror to the speaker?). Drive the speaker at 30 Hz and reflect
> a vector display in it. The mirror flexes with the sound causing changes
> in curvature that cause the vector monitor to sweep through a range of
> depths. Now you need to sync your vectors properly because time determines
> depth. Ya, it's hokey and makes a stupid hummm.

You could get a vastly superior degree of control if you used
an adaptive optics setup (like the spy satellites use to modify
their lenses to correct for atmospheric conditions).  It would
require a pretty expensive piezoceramic array (like $5K if you
use bimorphs).  The control system would probably be $10K, and
the software would probably be $50K worth of development time, unless
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Please let me know where; I'd be very appreciative!
Lewis

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> what is the voltage for driving the deflector on the tube...  I may know
where
> you can find some very accurate deflection circuits schematics...  any
maybe
> even some pre-made boards
.

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> 
> Please let me know where; I'd be very appreciative!
> Lewis
> 

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You shouldn't have any problem with your game as long as you empty it out and give it the chance to dry well.  I had something like 10 cabs sitting in 6 inches of water during a bad flood a couple years ago and they all turned out fine.  Apparently one of the neighbors have a video of me running back and forth from the shed, moving games out of the small river in my back yard :)  I dumped the water out, used a towel to get the leftovers, and used the sun to bake the cabs over a weekend.

Jon

At 09:22 AM 4/4/2001 -0400, you wrote:
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>
>Bad news:  I'm heading to my parents' house to see what damage has occurred.
>See, a hose on their washing machine broke and filled the basement with two
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>it's in pristine condition and pray that the cab didn't get waterlogged!
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Hey Listers!

Bad news:  I'm heading to my parents' house to see what damage has occurred.
See, a hose on their washing machine broke and filled the basement with two
inches of water.  I'm worried about the Space Duel I have stored there -
it's in pristine condition and pray that the cab didn't get waterlogged!

- John

P.S.  A friend of mine picked up a very nice looking Tempest cab.  It's VERY
clean with all original wiring and AR-II board intact.  The only pieces
missing are the monitor (of course) and boardset (of course).  He was
seriously considering converting it to a MAME cab, which I quickly convinced
him otherwise.  Thus begins a search for bits and pieces!  If I run across
anything you folk would be interested in (say, a cache of monitors or
someone hoarding a bunch of boardsets) I'll let yas know.

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Yeah, that's the one.  Ultracade.  I didn't even stop at the booth to see what they play now.


Paul Sommers wrote:

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>
> You're not talking about the Ultracade that was at CGE2K last year. It does
> mainly the Taito and Konami games at the moment. It looked better than MAME
> but they wouldn't show the actual hardware to me.
>
> Cheers
> Paul
>
> Rodger Boots wrote:
> >
> > I just got back from the ASI game show in 'Vegas.  There is a company that makes an arcade cabinet using a MAME
> > ripoff.  They are SO proud of it, and will tell you at great length why it's so much better than MAME because
> > "we have licenses to the games we use".  It would be cute to look at their software and see if it isn't an
> > illegal MAME copy.
> >
> > Total turkeys!
> >
> > This machine, though, isn't that.  As a later letter says, it IS a DOS version of MAME with a VGA monitor.
> >
> > Noel Johnson wrote:
> >
> > > Anyone seen this auction?:
> > >
> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1129833269
> > >
> > > Apparantly this guy has designed a monitor which can support both vector and raster games... (yeah right)..
> > >
> > > Either that or it's a MAME cabinet..
> > >
> > > It's even been "upgraded" to play with a joystick!  I can hardly wait to try Tempest with a joystick... NOT!
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Yeah, that's the one.&nbsp; Ultracade.&nbsp; I didn't even stop at the
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<p>Paul Sommers wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Rodger,
<p>You're not talking about the Ultracade that was at CGE2K last year.
It does
<br>mainly the Taito and Konami games at the moment. It looked better than
MAME
<br>but they wouldn't show the actual hardware to me.
<p>Cheers
<br>Paul
<p>Rodger Boots wrote:
<br>>
<br>> I just got back from the ASI game show in 'Vegas.&nbsp; There is
a company that makes an arcade cabinet using a MAME
<br>> ripoff.&nbsp; They are SO proud of it, and will tell you at great
length why it's so much better than MAME because
<br>> "we have licenses to the games we use".&nbsp; It would be cute to
look at their software and see if it isn't an
<br>> illegal MAME copy.
<br>>
<br>> Total turkeys!
<br>>
<br>> This machine, though, isn't that.&nbsp; As a later letter says, it
IS a DOS version of MAME with a VGA monitor.
<br>>
<br>> Noel Johnson wrote:
<br>>
<br>> > Anyone seen this auction?:
<br>> >
<br>> > <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1129833269">http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=1129833269</a>
<br>> >
<br>> > Apparantly this guy has designed a monitor which can support both
vector and raster games... (yeah right)..
<br>> >
<br>> > Either that or it's a MAME cabinet..
<br>> >
<br>> > It's even been "upgraded" to play with a joystick!&nbsp; I can
hardly wait to try Tempest with a joystick... NOT!
<br>> >
<br>> > noel
<br>> >
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Hi,
Peter, thanks for the reply. I hope I'm not being dim, but are you
suggesting that I build a deflection board from the WG6100 schematics?
That's definitely a possibility, but I thought Robert Mudryk was suggesting
something different when he wrote:
> what is the voltage for driving the deflector on the tube...  I may know
where
> you can find some very accurate deflection circuits schematics...  any
maybe
> even some pre-made boards
Lewis


> > Please let me know where; I'd be very appreciative!
> > Lewis
> >
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> http://www.arcademonitors.com/
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I need to know what the specs for driving the magnets are first.. to know if it
will work... I know of ranges of 12-48V amplifiers... hopefully it's in the
5-12V range...    the boards I found were closed loop 24V 5A Amplifiers.. and
some of the parts are no longer produced.  Get me some specs to work with  :)


Lewis Mills wrote:

> Hi,
> Peter, thanks for the reply. I hope I'm not being dim, but are you
> suggesting that I build a deflection board from the WG6100 schematics?
> That's definitely a possibility, but I thought Robert Mudryk was suggesting
> something different when he wrote:
> > what is the voltage for driving the deflector on the tube...  I may know
> where
> > you can find some very accurate deflection circuits schematics...  any
> maybe
> > even some pre-made boards
> Lewis
>
> > > Please let me know where; I'd be very appreciative!
> > > Lewis
> > >
> >
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Robert,
I think (somebody with more knowledge than I please correct me if I'm
wrong!) that it is 27-28 volts. This is the way I understand the WG6100
schematic found at
http://www.arcademonitors.com/~rgvac/manuals/monitors/K6100_Manual_3rd.pdf.
I hope that helps.
Lewis


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> I need to know what the specs for driving the magnets are first.. to know
if it
> will work... I know of ranges of 12-48V amplifiers... hopefully it's in
the
> 5-12V range...    the boards I found were closed loop 24V 5A Amplifiers..
and
> some of the parts are no longer produced.  Get me some specs to work with
:)
>
>
> Lewis Mills wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > Peter, thanks for the reply. I hope I'm not being dim, but are you
> > suggesting that I build a deflection board from the WG6100 schematics?
> > That's definitely a possibility, but I thought Robert Mudryk was
suggesting
> > something different when he wrote:
> > > what is the voltage for driving the deflector on the tube...  I may
know
> > where
> > > you can find some very accurate deflection circuits schematics...  any
> > maybe
> > > even some pre-made boards
> > Lewis
> >
> > > > Please let me know where; I'd be very appreciative!
> > > > Lewis
> > > >
> > >
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Hi all,

I installed my G08-003 into my cabinet...

http://www.enteract.com/~jenison/mars/games/CosmicChasm/ccoops.jpg

It kind of sticks out a bit :-)

Is the G08-105 chassis modified so that it fits in the cabinet, or is the
backdoor itself modified to account for the monitor?  Mine did not come with
a back door.

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I just ended up with a 9100FT setup that seems to have a bad HD, 
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I leave the back doors off of my cabs, but if I'm
not mistaken there's a plastic bubble similar to 
PAC MAN mini.  I'll take a peek when I get home tonight.

On another note, when things slow down at home I could pull
out my G08-105 monitor and do some documenting.  Although I
don't share the same enthusiasm as Mark does for component level
schematics, I can take detailed pictures.

I haven't looked for schematics for this monitor since mine 
has always worked, are you saying there is nothing available ?

Todd

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Hi all,

I installed my G08-003 into my cabinet...

http://www.enteract.com/~jenison/mars/games/CosmicChasm/ccoops.jpg

It kind of sticks out a bit :-)

Is the G08-105 chassis modified so that it fits in the cabinet, or is the
backdoor itself modified to account for the monitor?  Mine did not come with
a back door.

-- 
Mark Jenison
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door images;

http://members-http-1.rwc1.sfba.home.net/litterbox99/graphics/cc/



Jenison Mark-QA3578 wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I installed my G08-003 into my cabinet...
>
> http://www.enteract.com/~jenison/mars/games/CosmicChasm/ccoops.jpg
>
> It kind of sticks out a bit :-)
>
> Is the G08-105 chassis modified so that it fits in the cabinet, or is the
> backdoor itself modified to account for the monitor?  Mine did not come with
> a back door.
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Hi all,

I finally got my Cosmic Chasm running this weekend.  Thanks to the members of vectorlist who helped me out!  

A few items of note:

1) I applied David Fish's modification to my Cosmic Chasm boardset to run it with a regular G08 monitor.  I must say that I was not nearly as disappointed as I thought I would be.  Other than a few curves to the lines, I was rather pleased with the results!  Which leads me to believe that it may be possible to use a standard G08 with some of the WG6400 games with possibly similar results.

2) The original optical shaft encoder was missing on mine, but I was able to get a similar encoder from a Cinematronics Viper arcade game.

Cosmic Chasm uses: PC66D-256-5
Viper users: PC62D-256-5

I'm not sure, but I think the 62 stands for power consumption.  Regardless, the encoder works as a perfect replacement for the game.

3) Steven Gregory at Arcade Shop Amusements (www.arcadeshop.com) has a Cosmic Chasm NOS control panel and has plans to repro it.  Bug him often so he will move the reproduction of the overlay up on his priority list :-)

You can see the restoration effort of this game at:

http://www.enteract.com/~jenison/mars/games/CosmicChasm

Lots of pics, so load at your own risk :-)

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I picked up a Tek 2235 scope a few months ago, and I need to start using it
to test several XY monitors.  It has been about 10 years since I last used a
scope, and it wasn't for monitor repair.

Anyone know of a decent link/document that describes some of the more useful
procedures that can be performed on an XY monitor w/ a scope?

Thanks

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I know some people poo poo it but I like the Huntron Tracker style test
equipment.  Also goes by the name of Octopus and a few others that escape
me.

There was a few articles in Star Tech Journal and Nuts & Volts on how to
build these or you can use an audio generator to do the same thing.

Basically you inject a low amperage A/C signal into a componet & observe the
XY coordinate plot on your O-scope to determine merit.

Kev
mowerman 


> I picked up a Tek 2235 scope a few months ago, and I need to start using
it
> to test several XY monitors.  It has been about 10 years since I last used
a
> scope, and it wasn't for monitor repair.
>
> Anyone know of a decent link/document that describes some of the more
useful
> procedures that can be performed on an XY monitor w/ a scope?


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