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Gang,
   A little special if anyone is interested, I've got 10 Tempest sets, they
are complete as far as board go. 5 or so are missing all socketed devices,
others partially complete. I've messed with some of them, and they vary from
game sounds, but no video to totally locked, others watchdoging.. So they
are all projects that the Vector list community can resurrect... All boards
pretty clean, I picked up a bunch of these awhile ago, and I was able to
repair 7 of them, these 10 are whats left of the origional 20.

With that, I'd like to dump the lot with out screwing around with ebay. If
anyone is interested in the whole lot, $300, that $30 each for the math
impaired ;-) Plus $8 shipping...

Thanks
TomW


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>With that, I'd like to dump the lot with out screwing around with ebay. If
>anyone is interested in the whole lot, $300, that $30 each for the math
>impaired ;-) Plus $8 shipping...


I'll take them!!!

From twisnion  Sun Aug  1 22:50:27 1999
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Gang,
  The Tempest boards are taken, I'm pretty sure that I've got some more in
the loft, give me a few weeks to dig thru the pile..

Thanks
TomW


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Speaking of the CGExpo, is anyone from Michigan planning to go? I was
thinking of making the trip by my self, but having a vector-head along
for the flight might be kinda cool.

BTW, they have info at:  http://www.cgexpo.com  it includes bios on many
of the "special guests" that will be attending.

Thanks,
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I will be finalizing the Fluke 9010 disks this week and then ill be
warming up the CD rom Burners. Looks like it will be a total of 4 CDRs
per set. What I need to know at this point is the interest level of who
wants a set so I can burn disks appropriately.
So speak up now  to be the first on you block. I don't want shipping
address or anything... Im not ready for that yet.. Just a show of hands.

-=Mark=-
http://www.basementarcade.com/
 mailto:mark 

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My hand is officially up.


Matt

_____________________________________________________________________

On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Mark E Davidson wrote:

> I will be finalizing the Fluke 9010 disks this week and then ill be
> warming up the CD rom Burners. Looks like it will be a total of 4 CDRs
> per set. What I need to know at this point is the interest level of who
> wants a set so I can burn disks appropriately.
> So speak up now  to be the first on you block. I don't want shipping
> address or anything... Im not ready for that yet.. Just a show of hands.
> 
> -=Mark=-
> http://www.basementarcade.com/
>  mailto:mark 
> 
> 

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Could you expand your explanation a bit? I suspect this is a handy piece of 
test equipment training info, but...I missed the earlier thread somehow.

John :-#)#


At 10:43 AM 8/2/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I will be finalizing the Fluke 9010 disks this week and then ill be
>warming up the CD rom Burners. Looks like it will be a total of 4 CDRs
>per set. What I need to know at this point is the interest level of who
>wants a set so I can burn disks appropriately.
>So speak up now  to be the first on you block. I don't want shipping
>address or anything... Im not ready for that yet.. Just a show of hands.
>
>-=Mark=-
>http://www.basementarcade.com/
>  mailto:mark 


  John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9
  Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
  http://www.flippers.com
         "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."    

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> 
> I will be finalizing the Fluke 9010 disks this week and then ill be
> warming up the CD rom Burners. Looks like it will be a total of 4 CDRs
> per set. What I need to know at this point is the interest level of who
> wants a set so I can burn disks appropriately.
> So speak up now  to be the first on you block. I don't want shipping
> address or anything... Im not ready for that yet.. Just a show of hands.
> 
> -=Mark=-
> http://www.basementarcade.com/
>  mailto:mark 

Count me in please!

--- Cris

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I won't fold, so I guess I'm in this hand also.

Ace

Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California wrote:

> My hand is officially up.
>
> Matt
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
>
> On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Mark E Davidson wrote:
>
> > I will be finalizing the Fluke 9010 disks this week and then ill be
> > warming up the CD rom Burners. Looks like it will be a total of 4 CDRs
> > per set. What I need to know at this point is the interest level of who
> > wants a set so I can burn disks appropriately.
> > So speak up now  to be the first on you block. I don't want shipping
> > address or anything... Im not ready for that yet.. Just a show of hands.
> >
> > -=Mark=-
> > http://www.basementarcade.com/
> >  mailto:mark 
> >
> >

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On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Mark E Davidson wrote:

> So speak up now  to be the first on you block. I don't want shipping
> address or anything... Im not ready for that yet.. Just a show of hands.

<raising my hand>


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OK, if everybody else is doing it, I'll do it to.

-jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark E Davidson [mailto:Burbs1@concentric.net]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 8:44 AM
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I will be finalizing the Fluke 9010 disks this week and then ill be
warming up the CD rom Burners. Looks like it will be a total of 4 CDRs
per set. What I need to know at this point is the interest level of who
wants a set so I can burn disks appropriately.
So speak up now  to be the first on you block. I don't want shipping
address or anything... Im not ready for that yet.. Just a show of hands.

-=Mark=-
http://www.basementarcade.com/
 mailto:mark 

From aek  Mon Aug  2 15:18:43 1999
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Rodger forwarded the pdf file to me, so a version of it is up
on spies now in the Manuals directory.

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Specifically, it's at
 ftp://www.spies.com/arcade/Manuals/TM-151_G05.pdf

Thanks Al.

BTW, Al was able to get the original 14.5 Mb file down
to 2.5 Mb!  The pictures degraded a little, but it's more
practical in this size.  Plus Al has MUCH faster file
transfers then my 245 Kbaud DSL setup.

Sorry to those of you that unsuccessfully tried to download
it from me.


Al Kossow wrote:

> Rodger forwarded the pdf file to me, so a version of it is up
> on spies now in the Manuals directory.

From Todd.Miller  Mon Aug  2 15:50:31 1999
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Thanks to the both of you guys !  

I'll take a look at it when I get home tonight
and see  if it matches up with my monitor.

Todd Miller, LAN Administrator
Ron Weber and  Associates
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	-----Original Message-----
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	Subject:	Re: TM-151 G05 manual on spies

	Specifically, it's at
	 ftp://www.spies.com/arcade/Manuals/TM-151_G05.pdf

	Thanks Al.

	BTW, Al was able to get the original 14.5 Mb file down
	to 2.5 Mb!  The pictures degraded a little, but it's more
	practical in this size.  Plus Al has MUCH faster file
	transfers then my 245 Kbaud DSL setup.

	Sorry to those of you that unsuccessfully tried to download
	it from me.


	Al Kossow wrote:

	> Rodger forwarded the pdf file to me, so a version of it is up
	> on spies now in the Manuals directory.

From woodcock@fastlane.net Mon Aug  2 16:16:36 1999
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>Gang,
>  The Tempest boards are taken, I'm pretty sure that I've got some more in
>the loft, give me a few weeks to dig thru the pile..

Let me know and I'll take them!

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Did anyone here get any of those surplus Cinemat HV supplies (aside from
Al)?

I called right after Al sent out his message and ordered ten (they had "lots
and lots" when I called) and got a letter today that says "sold out" and a
credit back on my Visa card.

Happen to anyone else or was I just lucky?

-Clay

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"got a letter today that says "sold out" and a
credit back on my Visa card."

Someone must have bought a LOT of them. I ordered some that same
day, and haven't heard anything either.

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That's what I was afraid of. :-(  I'd venture that they got an offer for the
lot and took it.  (...or the boxes that they thought they were in turned out
to be something different when they looked.)

Feh...

-Clay

> ----------
> From: 	aek ]
> Reply To: 	vectorlist 
> Sent: 	Monday, August 02, 1999 3:53 PM
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> Subject: 	Re:  Those Cinemat HV supplies...
> 
> "got a letter today that says "sold out" and a
> credit back on my Visa card."
> 
> Someone must have bought a LOT of them. I ordered some that same
> day, and haven't heard anything either.
> 
> 

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hi everyone, thanks for helping me out with the my previous
problem with my LL now i have another one.

the monitor while i was playing it this evening got really
bright in the lower left hand corner of the screen and
then went blank, almost like a bright fireball. after that
everything seem scrunched up, lettering, playing field
is in the lower left hand corner of the screen only
utilizing about 2/3 of the monitor, about all you can
make out is the lunar terrain below everything else
including the lunar lander is very distorted (undreadable),
everything else works on the game, lights, sound, etc...
monitor is the culprate this time around. where do i
start looking, HV Power supply,Deflection Boards, PCB
regulator etc.. sorry for the stupid questions, but im
a newbie to all of this. and what are these " Get Well"
kits that i see for sale to refurbish your monitor in the
10 to 20.00 range?

thanks
-Corey


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Hi All,

I am preparing to go to press soon on my Black Widow CPO reproduction
project and I have a question for you.

I have two Black Widows from which I have based the CPO art. Both of their
CPOs say with Rev. B, but they are colored slightly differently. The art
appears the same but one has two more colors, purple and green. As it's time
for me to do the color matching now I have to choose which color scheme to
reproduce.

You can check out a jpg of the CPO at:

http://members.home.net/chumblespuzz/images/bw_cpo.jpg

(Note 100Kb. Also, the colors are not yet matched and appear a bit vivid
on-screen.)

On this CPO, the rings are colored (starting from the outside) purple, pink,
orange, blue, purple, pink yellow, green, purple, pink and orange. Also, the
instructions box background is green.

On my other CPO the colors are blue, pink, orange, blue, blue, pink yellow,
blue, blue, pink, orange with the instructions box background blue. In other
words, all the purples and greens are replaced with blue.

I'm planning on going with the more colorful version, but I thought I would
ask your opinion first. Are there any other differences you know of? Does
anybody really care?

If you have an opinion on this, please let me know. Also, if you have any
interest in one I'd appreciate if you'd e-mail me. I'm not looking for
commitments, I just plan to do a fairly small production run and I want to
make sure there is enough to go around.

Thanks,
-roy-


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My black widow control panel is the more colorful one. (it has the purple
and green) So my vote is for the first one, and I'm also interested in
buying one (mine has the standard atari crack and a few missing pieces on
the front edge)

-jeff

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 12:18 AM
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Subject: Black Widow CPO


Hi All,

I am preparing to go to press soon on my Black Widow CPO reproduction
project and I have a question for you.

I have two Black Widows from which I have based the CPO art. Both of their
CPOs say with Rev. B, but they are colored slightly differently. The art
appears the same but one has two more colors, purple and green. As it's time
for me to do the color matching now I have to choose which color scheme to
reproduce.

You can check out a jpg of the CPO at:

http://members.home.net/chumblespuzz/images/bw_cpo.jpg

(Note 100Kb. Also, the colors are not yet matched and appear a bit vivid
on-screen.)

On this CPO, the rings are colored (starting from the outside) purple, pink,
orange, blue, purple, pink yellow, green, purple, pink and orange. Also, the
instructions box background is green.

On my other CPO the colors are blue, pink, orange, blue, blue, pink yellow,
blue, blue, pink, orange with the instructions box background blue. In other
words, all the purples and greens are replaced with blue.

I'm planning on going with the more colorful version, but I thought I would
ask your opinion first. Are there any other differences you know of? Does
anybody really care?

If you have an opinion on this, please let me know. Also, if you have any
interest in one I'd appreciate if you'd e-mail me. I'm not looking for
commitments, I just plan to do a fairly small production run and I want to
make sure there is enough to go around.

Thanks,
-roy-

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I ordered a bunch, was told they would ship the same day, then
a week later I received a letter telling me that they were "sold out".
Boy, was I disappointed!  Lots of things seem to be disappointing
me these days ... :-)

Anyway, I'm sure they'll turn up on Ebay soon ... that will solve the
mystery ...

SPW
Kanata, On
CANADA

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Clay Cowgill [SMTP:ClayC ]
> Sent:	Monday, August 02, 1999 6:59 PM
> To:	'vectorlist '
> Subject:	RE: Those Cinemat HV supplies...
> 
> That's what I was afraid of. :-(  I'd venture that they got an offer for
> the
> lot and took it.  (...or the boxes that they thought they were in turned
> out
> to be something different when they looked.)
> 
> Feh...
> 
> -Clay
> 
> > ----------
> > From: 	aek ]
> > Reply To: 	vectorlist 
> > Sent: 	Monday, August 02, 1999 3:53 PM
> > To: 	vectorlist 
> > Subject: 	Re:  Those Cinemat HV supplies...
> > 
> > "got a letter today that says "sold out" and a
> > credit back on my Visa card."
> > 
> > Someone must have bought a LOT of them. I ordered some that same
> > day, and haven't heard anything either.
> > 
> > 
> 

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Now Gregg, don't be greedy.  Give someone else a chance who maybe just wants
one spare for their humble little collection.

---------------------------------
Gregg Woodcock wrote:

> >Gang,
> >  The Tempest boards are taken, I'm pretty sure that I've got some more in
> >the loft, give me a few weeks to dig thru the pile..
>
> Let me know and I'll take them!

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So if they turn up on Ebay, form a Vectorlist consortium of interested 
buyers and have only ONE person bid (agent).

Not illegal to have an agent now is it? (I don't want the job - I like to 
make a profit). (If nominated will not run...if elected... ;-)

John :-#)#

At 09:15 AM 8/3/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I ordered a bunch, was told they would ship the same day, then
>a week later I received a letter telling me that they were "sold out".
>Boy, was I disappointed!  Lots of things seem to be disappointing
>me these days ... :-)
>
>Anyway, I'm sure they'll turn up on Ebay soon ... that will solve the
>mystery ...
>
>SPW
>Kanata, On
>CANADA
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Clay Cowgill [SMTP:ClayC ]
> > Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 6:59 PM
> > To:   'vectorlist '
> > Subject:      RE: Those Cinemat HV supplies...
> >
> > That's what I was afraid of. :-(  I'd venture that they got an offer for
> > the
> > lot and took it.  (...or the boxes that they thought they were in turned
> > out
> > to be something different when they looked.)
> >
> > Feh...
> >
> > -Clay
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From:       aek ]
> > > Reply To:   vectorlist 
> > > Sent:       Monday, August 02, 1999 3:53 PM
> > > To:         vectorlist 
> > > Subject:    Re:  Those Cinemat HV supplies...
> > >
> > > "got a letter today that says "sold out" and a
> > > credit back on my Visa card."
> > >
> > > Someone must have bought a LOT of them. I ordered some that same
> > > day, and haven't heard anything either.
> > >
> > >
> >


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First, remove your monitor main motherboard. Then resolder ALL the pins of 
any external connectors on that board. Then with a diode test meter, verify 
that all you power transistors are OK. If they are, then you can try the 
chassis again, if any are shorted or open, then post the info as to which 
ones and someone will take it from there...

John :-#)#

At 10:22 PM 8/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
>hi everyone, thanks for helping me out with the my previous
>problem with my LL now i have another one.
>
>the monitor while i was playing it this evening got really
>bright in the lower left hand corner of the screen and
>then went blank, almost like a bright fireball. after that
>everything seem scrunched up, lettering, playing field
>is in the lower left hand corner of the screen only
>utilizing about 2/3 of the monitor, about all you can
>make out is the lunar terrain below everything else
>including the lunar lander is very distorted (undreadable),
>everything else works on the game, lights, sound, etc...
>monitor is the culprate this time around. where do i
>start looking, HV Power supply,Deflection Boards, PCB
>regulator etc.. sorry for the stupid questions, but im
>a newbie to all of this. and what are these " Get Well"
>kits that i see for sale to refurbish your monitor in the
>10 to 20.00 range?
>
>thanks
>-Corey
>
>
>_______________________________________________________________
>Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com


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But if not elected, will you agree not to bid against the consortium?
No one wants to see "High Bid: jrr "
Then, next day "FS:  Cine HV supplies"  

All in :) of course.

Brendan Keith
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> ----------
> From: 	John Robertson[SMTP:jrr ]
> 
> So if they turn up on Ebay, form a Vectorlist consortium of interested 
> buyers and have only ONE person bid (agent).
> 
> Not illegal to have an agent now is it? (I don't want the job - I like to 
> make a profit). (If nominated will not run...if elected... ;-)
> 
> 

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On Aug 3,  8:20am, John Robertson wrote:
> Subject: RE: Those Cinemat HV supplies...
> So if they turn up on Ebay, form a Vectorlist consortium of interested
> buyers and have only ONE person bid (agent).
>
> Not illegal to have an agent now is it? (I don't want the job - I like to
> make a profit). (If nominated will not run...if elected... ;-)

I don't see how it could be illegal to have a bunch of "investors" helping fund
a vector purchase.

Why am I getting Deja Vu all over again?  Hmm.... ;-)

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From chris  Tue Aug  3 11:30:43 1999
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From: "Christopher X. Candreva" <chris >
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Just got a Tech America sale flyer. They are advertising a digital soldering
station (their house brand) on sale for $74.97, regularly $149.95 .
Temperature range 200-450 degrees C, +-5% accuracy.

The Weller as a +-2% accurace, but seems to have the same temperature range.
But that's over $300.00 I've seen temperature control stations recomended
several times for working on old boards. Currently I've got a plain old
15/30 pencil.

I know the wisdom of buying the good stuff in the first place, and usually
do. Hoever, I can justify spending $75 a lot easier than $300 on a solder
station. 

Any gotchas to look for ? It includes a 1.2mm conical tip, and lists several
others.

-Chris

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Nah, I figured with this great idea that I would be invited to JOIN the 
consortium, after all I'd like a couple for stock...

On another topic, does ANYONE have any HP AN222-X Signature Analyzer notes? 
I just got their last copy of AN-222-4 "Guidelines for Signature Analysis" 
(Al, would you like a copy?) and there are others out there, I'm sure! I am 
trying to get everything I can on this topic for service use on the old 
turkey games I keep getting. Need to simplify the service!

John :-#)#

At 10:53 AM 8/3/99 -0500, you wrote:
>But if not elected, will you agree not to bid against the consortium?
>No one wants to see "High Bid: jrr "
>Then, next day "FS:  Cine HV supplies"
>
>All in :) of course.
>
>Brendan Keith
>brendan.keith 
>
>
>
> > ----------
> > From:         John Robertson[SMTP:jrr ]
> >
> > So if they turn up on Ebay, form a Vectorlist consortium of interested
> > buyers and have only ONE person bid (agent).
> >
> > Not illegal to have an agent now is it? (I don't want the job - I like to
> > make a profit). (If nominated will not run...if elected... ;-)
> >
> >


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"I don't see how it could be illegal to have a bunch of "investors" helping fund
a vector purchase.
"

It was done before :-) but eBay has a much bigger audience than RGVAC had. I
don't think it's possible to herd enough cats to lowball an eBay auction.

I received an invoice from Fair Radio for the second batch that I ordered
the day I mentioned it on the list just yesterday. I'll have some extras,
so when they arrive, I'll contact the people who missed out by private
email.

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Hey All,

	Some time back, I borrowed an XY/Raster pattern generator from
Zonn and Gaymond with the hope of eventually reproing it.

	The thing that this thing does is to function as something
called a "Varitracker."  I have no idea what a varitracker is, nor
do I have any docs for this thing, which was made by Hickok.  I think
Hickok is still around making Auto. test equipment, but I'm not optimistic
about the response I'd get from them if I asked for docs, etc.

	My reason for caring about all this is that I'm pretty sure that
a good deal of the logic on the board is used for these Varitracker
functions, and I'm curious to find out if these Varitracker modes are
useful for anything.

	Anyone hear of anything like this?

Joe

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On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 jwelser  wrote:

> 	The thing that this thing does is to function as something
> called a "Varitracker."  I have no idea what a varitracker is, nor

	Duh, that sentence almost makes me sound illiterate...

	I meant to say that "The other thing that this thing does...."

Joe


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G'day folks,

I wish Al had got the NOS HV's that he'd originally ordered.  If instead
someone else puts them on the open market in the future, the obvious lesson
to be learned is "Don't tell the vectorlist."  Or at least wait until _your_
order comes in before letting everyone else know...

		Steve Ozdemir
		sozdemir 

ps - And the corollary to this lesson is "Wait until your friend's (and his
friend and the other friend, etc) order comes...oh heck, don't bother
telling anyone since all the HV's have been claimed by the dozen or so folks
in the inner circle/old boy's club".

-----Original Message-----
From: aek ]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 10:15 AM
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Subject: Re: Those Cinemat HV supplies...


"I don't see how it could be illegal to have a bunch of "investors" helping
fund
a vector purchase.
"

It was done before :-) but eBay has a much bigger audience than RGVAC had. I
don't think it's possible to herd enough cats to lowball an eBay auction.

I received an invoice from Fair Radio for the second batch that I ordered
the day I mentioned it on the list just yesterday. I'll have some extras,
so when they arrive, I'll contact the people who missed out by private
email.

From peter.pachla@vectrex.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug  3 17:55:23 1999
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Hi,

  >....Give someone else a chance who maybe just wants
  >one spare for their humble little collection.

Or even one at all...!


  TTFN - Pete.

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From dhanes  Tue Aug  3 21:34:24 1999
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I ordered two of these the day before Al posted his news and I just received
the "sold out" notice as well.  Guess they don't fill their orders in the
order they were received!

Dave


----- Original Message -----
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> I ordered a bunch, was told they would ship the same day, then
> a week later I received a letter telling me that they were "sold out".
> Boy, was I disappointed!  Lots of things seem to be disappointing
> me these days ... :-)
>
> Anyway, I'm sure they'll turn up on Ebay soon ... that will solve the
> mystery ...
>
> SPW
> Kanata, On
> CANADA


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I finally got my Tempest multigame installed and everything works great with 
the published switch settings... In fact I've been having a great time at 
Vector Breakout (I never cared that much for breakout...but now that it's a 
vector game... :)

I have noticed 2 weird things with Breakout though and was wondering if it was 
just me.  I will usually coin up about 20-30 games and then start playing.  At 
some point I noticed that the # of credits at the bottom of the screen was 
reading weird "0E"...and then some other weird ones (non-hex).  It returned to 
normal at 9 credits.  When coining up the # of credits was displayed properly 
though.

Also, I've noticed that the right curved portion of the paddle will extend 
slightly over the boundary on the right side of the screen.  My monitor does 
need to be converged...but I don't think that is the problem really, as it 
really doesn't look like a convergence problem.  

BTW, anyone around the Baltimore/DC area ever converged one of these things.  
I'd be happy to re-emburse you with the brew of your choice and some 
cash.  I've got the center of the screen pretty good...it's the yoke 
positioning that's giving me fits!  And it would be really nice to have the 
picture all nice and sharp again.

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In a message dated 8/3/99 3:02:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sozdemir  
writes:

<< G'day folks,
 
 I wish Al had got the NOS HV's that he'd originally ordered.  If instead
 someone else puts them on the open market in the future, the obvious lesson
 to be learned is "Don't tell the vectorlist."  Or at least wait until _your_
 order comes in before letting everyone else know...
  >>

     This is a shame. It will be VERY interesting to find out who did the 
buyout. Kind of makes me sick. Some nice folks post on the list that you can 
buy Cinematronics Vector Hv's to help other people on the list who might need 
them.
     Then, some %*#$@ profiteer sucks them all up. Sooner or later, we'll 
find out who did the sucking....  

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In a message dated 8/3/99 1:29:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, aek  
writes:

<< I received an invoice from Fair Radio for the second batch that I ordered
 the day I mentioned it on the list just yesterday. I'll have some extras,
 so when they arrive, I'll contact the people who missed out by private
 email. >>

If Dave Hanes received a "Sold Out" notice on his order, and he placed the 
order before the news appeared on the list, perhaps they didn't have a whole 
lot of them in stock??

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>      Then, some %*#$@ profiteer sucks them all up. Sooner or later, we'll 
> find out who did the sucking....  

Most likely later, because right now it would probably take a lot of balls to 
try and sell them anywhere public.  I wonder if you were to call Fair Radio if 
they'd tell who bought them all if you asked nicely and mentioned that you 
might want to try and buy some from the person who got them all.


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In a message dated 8/3/99 11:42:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
downin@smarty.smart.net writes:

<< Most likely later, because right now it would probably take a lot of balls 
to 
 try and sell them anywhere public.  I wonder if you were to call Fair Radio 
if 
 they'd tell who bought them all if you asked nicely and mentioned that you 
 might want to try and buy some from the person who got them all. >>

Then, we can proceed with blackballing the SOB from the list, and taking out 
retributions...payback's allways a bitch, especially when you don't know when 
it's coming, or who it's coming from......ha ha ha haaa - 

"You walk through the subway, his eyes burn a hole in your back,
a footstep behind you, he lunges prepare for attack... "
-Iron Maiden "Killers" 1981

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Roy
    Will you be offering the repros to the group? I bought a Black widow a
couple of months ago and my CP is painted (like asteroids was).
The crappy part is that someone tried to clear coat it, and messe it all up. Ive
never see a painted CP on this game before... Only a standard sticker CPO (and I
saw 2 "standard" machines 3 weeks ago) Anyone ever see this?

-=Mark=-

chumblespuzz wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I am preparing to go to press soon on my Black Widow CPO reproduction
> project and I have a question for you.
>
> I have two Black Widows from which I have based the CPO art. Both of their
> CPOs say with Rev. B, but they are colored slightly differently. The art
> appears the same but one has two more colors, purple and green. As it's time
> for me to do the color matching now I have to choose which color scheme to
> reproduce.
>
> You can check out a jpg of the CPO at:
>
> http://members.home.net/chumblespuzz/images/bw_cpo.jpg
>
> (Note 100Kb. Also, the colors are not yet matched and appear a bit vivid
> on-screen.)
>
> On this CPO, the rings are colored (starting from the outside) purple, pink,
> orange, blue, purple, pink yellow, green, purple, pink and orange. Also, the
> instructions box background is green.
>
> On my other CPO the colors are blue, pink, orange, blue, blue, pink yellow,
> blue, blue, pink, orange with the instructions box background blue. In other
> words, all the purples and greens are replaced with blue.
>
> I'm planning on going with the more colorful version, but I thought I would
> ask your opinion first. Are there any other differences you know of? Does
> anybody really care?
>
> If you have an opinion on this, please let me know. Also, if you have any
> interest in one I'd appreciate if you'd e-mail me. I'm not looking for
> commitments, I just plan to do a fairly small production run and I want to
> make sure there is enough to go around.
>
> Thanks,
> -roy-



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Yes, I will give the group first option along with a nice, Vector List
discount. :) I haven't gotten the final quote on production, yet, so I don't
know what the price will be.

I've never hear of a painted BW cp. Is it similar to the graphic I posted?
Are the colors the same?

-roy-


----- Original Message -----
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> Roy
>     Will you be offering the repros to the group? I bought a Black widow a
> couple of months ago and my CP is painted (like asteroids was).
> The crappy part is that someone tried to clear coat it, and messe it all
up. Ive
> never see a painted CP on this game before... Only a standard sticker CPO
(and I
> saw 2 "standard" machines 3 weeks ago) Anyone ever see this?
>
> -=Mark=-
>
> chumblespuzz wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I am preparing to go to press soon on my Black Widow CPO reproduction
> > project and I have a question for you.
> >
> > I have two Black Widows from which I have based the CPO art. Both of
their
> > CPOs say with Rev. B, but they are colored slightly differently. The art
> > appears the same but one has two more colors, purple and green. As it's
time
> > for me to do the color matching now I have to choose which color scheme
to
> > reproduce.
> >
> > You can check out a jpg of the CPO at:
> >
> > http://members.home.net/chumblespuzz/images/bw_cpo.jpg
> >
> > (Note 100Kb. Also, the colors are not yet matched and appear a bit vivid
> > on-screen.)
> >
> > On this CPO, the rings are colored (starting from the outside) purple,
pink,
> > orange, blue, purple, pink yellow, green, purple, pink and orange. Also,
the
> > instructions box background is green.
> >
> > On my other CPO the colors are blue, pink, orange, blue, blue, pink
yellow,
> > blue, blue, pink, orange with the instructions box background blue. In
other
> > words, all the purples and greens are replaced with blue.
> >
> > I'm planning on going with the more colorful version, but I thought I
would
> > ask your opinion first. Are there any other differences you know of?
Does
> > anybody really care?
> >
> > If you have an opinion on this, please let me know. Also, if you have
any
> > interest in one I'd appreciate if you'd e-mail me. I'm not looking for
> > commitments, I just plan to do a fairly small production run and I want
to
> > make sure there is enough to go around.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -roy-
>
>

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Down boys!!  We were only guessing that someone did a buyout.
I'm sure Fair Radio did not have the stock they thought they had.
I asked them if they were "computerized" and the dude laughed at me
- i.e. no computer, no good tracking of stock-on-hand!!

But considering Gaymond sold a KELTRON HV for $110US on Ebay,
the $13 to $110US profit might make a "good-vectorhead" into a 
"bad money-grubbing Ebay-selling raster-lover".   :-)

SPW 
(looking for solarquest/starcastle/ripoff/armorattack sound boards
and maybe a HV supply or two ...)

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	MKDUD ]
> Sent:	Tuesday, August 03, 1999 11:50 PM
> To:	vectorlist 
> Subject:	Re: Those Cinemat HV supplies...
> 
> In a message dated 8/3/99 11:42:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> downin@smarty.smart.net writes:
> 
> << Most likely later, because right now it would probably take a lot of
> balls 
> to 
>  try and sell them anywhere public.  I wonder if you were to call Fair
> Radio 
> if 
>  they'd tell who bought them all if you asked nicely and mentioned that
> you 
>  might want to try and buy some from the person who got them all. >>
> 
> Then, we can proceed with blackballing the SOB from the list, and taking
> out 
> retributions...payback's allways a bitch, especially when you don't know
> when 
> it's coming, or who it's coming from......ha ha ha haaa - 
> 
> "You walk through the subway, his eyes burn a hole in your back,
> a footstep behind you, he lunges prepare for attack... "
> -Iron Maiden "Killers" 1981
> 

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From: Mitchell Rohde <bovine@eecs.umich.edu>
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 Have any of you guys ever been to Fair Radio?  When I went a number of
years ago, it was a big warehouse full of aging military electronics and
other stuff.  So much a giant pile that I wondered how they ever put
together any sort of catalog....

 It wouldn't suprise me that they had 2 of those HV units in stock..

 Mitch

On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Simon Whittam wrote:

> Down boys!!  We were only guessing that someone did a buyout.
> I'm sure Fair Radio did not have the stock they thought they had.
> I asked them if they were "computerized" and the dude laughed at me
> - i.e. no computer, no good tracking of stock-on-hand!!
> 
> But considering Gaymond sold a KELTRON HV for $110US on Ebay,
> the $13 to $110US profit might make a "good-vectorhead" into a 
> "bad money-grubbing Ebay-selling raster-lover".   :-)
> 
> SPW 
> (looking for solarquest/starcastle/ripoff/armorattack sound boards
> and maybe a HV supply or two ...)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	MKDUD ]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, August 03, 1999 11:50 PM
> > To:	vectorlist 
> > Subject:	Re: Those Cinemat HV supplies...
> > 
> > In a message dated 8/3/99 11:42:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> > downin@smarty.smart.net writes:
> > 
> > << Most likely later, because right now it would probably take a lot of
> > balls 
> > to 
> >  try and sell them anywhere public.  I wonder if you were to call Fair
> > Radio 
> > if 
> >  they'd tell who bought them all if you asked nicely and mentioned that
> > you 
> >  might want to try and buy some from the person who got them all. >>
> > 
> > Then, we can proceed with blackballing the SOB from the list, and taking
> > out 
> > retributions...payback's allways a bitch, especially when you don't know
> > when 
> > it's coming, or who it's coming from......ha ha ha haaa - 
> > 
> > "You walk through the subway, his eyes burn a hole in your back,
> > a footstep behind you, he lunges prepare for attack... "
> > -Iron Maiden "Killers" 1981
> > 
> 
> 

From Joel_Rosenzweig  Wed Aug  4 08:15:18 1999
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>I finally got my Tempest multigame installed and everything works great
with
>the published switch settings... In fact I've been having a great time at
>Vector Breakout (I never cared that much for breakout...but now that it's a
>vector game... :)


That's exactly how I feel about Breakout.  It definitely has that special
coolness factor being a vector game that I don't think it had in it's
original form.  I showed my wife the game, and explained the significance of
the whole thing - that a little genious on the vector list coded this
Breakout game for a piece of hardware that's 18 years old, a platform that
was never really intended to support the playing of any other game, and now
maybe several dozen people in the world are playing with this vector version
right now.  She was less impressed with that, but enjoyed playing a few
games of Breakout anyway.  (Even if she kept calling it "Pong" - DOH! :-)

>
>I have noticed 2 weird things with Breakout though and was wondering if it
was
>just me.  I will usually coin up about 20-30 games and then start playing.
At
>some point I noticed that the # of credits at the bottom of the screen was
>reading weird "0E"...and then some other weird ones (non-hex).  It returned
to
>normal at 9 credits.  When coining up the # of credits was displayed
properly
>though.


I can't help here, but as far as I'm concerned, after the machine has
whipped me 10-15 times in a row, I'm ready to play something else.  I
haven't tried coining up 30 games!  By that time, I'm ready to use the
force, or shoot some enemy tanks!

FWIW, I found the instructions for converging the display from a PacMan
manual to be quite helpful when I worked on converging one of my Amplifones.
If memory serves, the Amplifone manual contains a brief section on doing
this as well but it was much less descriptive of the procedure.  If you
aren't successful finding anyone to help out, consider checking out the
procedures in those manuals.

Joel-


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Well, I had a party last weekend and people got to try out the new Tempest
Multigame.  Here's a few observations:

- they kept using the wrong button to select it, so pressing the two button
reset would just return it to the "default" game.  I had to open the game up
and reset it in test mode to fix this.

Conclusion: people don't much like to read instructions

- I still have my game set to the "multigame defaults", except for free play
(which I can't live without ;-)).  Another thing I noticed about this is that
when playing TUBES, the second time through the demo, or right after someone
plays and it returns to demo mode, the player in the demo mode will just sit
there, with no enemies coming out.  Does this happen on regular tubes ROMs, or
is this possibly another "feature" of having free play set?

Conclusion: the dip switch may an effect on TUBES roms.

- I returned to the game after a few hours and noticed that somehow the ball
for V-breakout had turned into a swirling ball like that of Yar's Revenge, and
the brick pattern at the top had changed.  How is this done?

Conclusion: Is this the easter egg?  Upon starting a new game, it played the
above version instead of the original version.  Reseting the game returned it
to the original version.

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Cellular Infrastructure Group      Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL
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> - I returned to the game after a few hours and noticed that somehow the ball
> for V-breakout had turned into a swirling ball like that of Yar's Revenge, and
> the brick pattern at the top had changed.  How is this done?
> 
> Conclusion: Is this the easter egg?  Upon starting a new game, it played the

Easter egg is what it is, and I know how to make it happen :-)
I don't want to spoil the fun for the list though.

Guess you'd just better have another party. Funny how people who don't know
what they are "supposed to do" find these things and the guy who reads
the instructions doesn't :-)
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> I finally got my Tempest multigame installed and everything works great
> with 
> the published switch settings... In fact I've been having a great time at 
> Vector Breakout (I never cared that much for breakout...but now that it's
> a 
> vector game... :)
> 
Good!  Glad you like it.

> I have noticed 2 weird things with Breakout though and was wondering if it
> was 
> just me.  I will usually coin up about 20-30 games and then start playing.
> At 
> some point I noticed that the # of credits at the bottom of the screen was
> 
> reading weird "0E"...and then some other weird ones (non-hex).  It
> returned to 
> normal at 9 credits.  When coining up the # of credits was displayed
> properly 
> though.
> 
Hmmmmm.  Could be a bug.  I'd seen this once before, but thought I had it
fixed.  Or maybe I decided that nobody would put more than 10-ish credits in
at a time and I'd get away with leaving it like it is. ;-)  I'll try to look
at it sometime and see what's up.

> Also, I've noticed that the right curved portion of the paddle will extend
> 
> slightly over the boundary on the right side of the screen.  My monitor
> does 
> need to be converged...but I don't think that is the problem really, as it
> 
> really doesn't look like a convergence problem.  
> 
Yeah, it does that a little bit on mine too.  The problem is that the border
of the screen is a bunch of long vector draws-- and the vector integrator
manages to drift a little in that time.  The reason it's shifted is that
it's *really* off on the left side, so I'm compensating a bit for that.  The
left edge of the paddle may or may not meet with the left side of the border
on your monitor.  The game "plays" entirely as a mathematical simulation
(not like you can read a pixel out of video memory in a vector display to do
a real object-collision test) with the display just showing what the
simulation numbers signify.

-Clay

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> - they kept using the wrong button to select it, so pressing the two
> button
> reset would just return it to the "default" game.  I had to open the game
> up
> and reset it in test mode to fix this.
> 
> Conclusion: people don't much like to read instructions
> 
Hmmmm.  Not much I can do about that, alas. ;-)

> - I still have my game set to the "multigame defaults", except for free
> play
> (which I can't live without ;-)).  Another thing I noticed about this is
> that
> when playing TUBES, the second time through the demo, or right after
> someone
> plays and it returns to demo mode, the player in the demo mode will just
> sit
> there, with no enemies coming out.  Does this happen on regular tubes
> ROMs, or
> is this possibly another "feature" of having free play set?
> 
> Conclusion: the dip switch may an effect on TUBES roms.
> 
I'd be willing to bet that's not related to the DIP switch settings, but
probably the tubes hack in the first place.  (I don't recall any DIP stuff
anywhere near the tables that get modified for the Tubes hack.)

> - I returned to the game after a few hours and noticed that somehow the
> ball
> for V-breakout had turned into a swirling ball like that of Yar's Revenge,
> and
> the brick pattern at the top had changed.  How is this done?
> 
Hmmmmm... :-)

> Conclusion: Is this the easter egg?  Upon starting a new game, it played
> the
> above version instead of the original version.  Reseting the game returned
> it
> to the original version.
> 
Odds are good.  But then some easter eggs have more easter eggs hidden
inside them. ;-)

-Clay

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> Easter egg is what it is, and I know how to make it happen :-)
> I don't want to spoil the fun for the list though.
> 
:-)  Congrats to Mr. Kahler!  First person I've heard that found it (and is
able to make it happen at will).  Like I said to Mark though-- there just
might be an easter egg in the easter egg. ;-)  (More of a "trick" than an
easter egg, but it's still something different.)

-Clay

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Clay,
	Does this mean that I have to unsolder the EPROM, read in the
contents, figure out what bank vector breakout is in, disassemble it, then
look through the code to find your easter egg?
(or will you give us a hint?)

-jeff

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> Easter egg is what it is, and I know how to make it happen :-)
> I don't want to spoil the fun for the list though.
> 
:-)  Congrats to Mr. Kahler!  First person I've heard that found it (and is
able to make it happen at will).  Like I said to Mark though-- there just
might be an easter egg in the easter egg. ;-)  (More of a "trick" than an
easter egg, but it's still something different.)

-Clay

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> 	Does this mean that I have to unsolder the EPROM, read in the
> contents, figure out what bank vector breakout is in, disassemble it, then
> look through the code to find your easter egg?
> (or will you give us a hint?)
> 
Hmmmmm...  I'm not inclined to give out anymore hints on the list-- don't
want to make it *too* obvious.  If a few of you want to badger Paul though
maybe he'll crack. ;-)  If he won't tell you you can hit me up directly in
e-mail and I'll give you a hint.  (In case there's some people that would
rather discover it themselves, I don't want to tell all of Vectorlist...) 

-Clay

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A few days ago I was playing my Star Wars with the Wells Gardner 6100 =
monitor in it and the monitor shut off.  I decided to install the LV2000 =
that I had bought and still no monitor but R920 on the HC board blew.  I =
replaced R920 then I realized as I was checking over everything that =
P101 was off one to the left(or one up).  So then, I read the Gregg =
Woodcock document and in there it said I now had to change Q703, D702 =
and R711.  I changed all of these and still no picture.  After talking =
to Jeff (thanks for your help!!) we found out that I needed to change =
the chassis transistors that went with P100.  I changed those two and =
the screen finally came on.  The only problem was that all the lines =
were shaking up and down.  Then I changed the two on the side of the =
chassis and I still got the same thing.  So now I decided to just change =
the rest of them and see what happens.  Well I noticed that on the =
monitor chasis the transistor that is in the middle bottom (I think =
Q102) was a 2N3792 and I thought it was supposed to be a 2N3716 from =
what I have read.  Also I think Q706 which should have been a SN3792 =
orignally had a 2N3716 in there.  So I changed the 2N3792(Q102) to a new =
2N3716 that came with my cap kit.  Now when I turned it on everything =
was crystal clear and all the lines were great, but the whole screen was =
squished up to the top part of the screen and the bottom was just all =
black.  So now I decided to change Q706(With the correct one that it =
says should be in the manual) and Q705 now with new ones and I got the =
same thing just picture on the top.  This next thing I regret doing =
since there was a 2N3792 in Q102 originally and and a 2N3716 in Q706 =
originally and tried going back to that.  Well I turned in on and I got =
a spark which looked like it came over from the deflection area.  I =
turned it off immediately and went back to the way it says in the manual =
and now when I turned it on in the middle left of the screen there are =
about 3 short lines and it looks like the whole screen is squished into =
these couple of short lines.  The short lines don't even go half way to =
the screen.  I am sorry for this being so long, but if someone could =
please help me out that would be great.  Thank you very much.

David Rudich
reddolphin@home
410-356-4441

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You can't swap a 2N3716 with a 2N3792 and vise-versa. One is a pnp
transistor and the other is an npn. Whats important is what wires are going
to the transistor, regardless of where they are physically located on the
chassis (they can be easily be moved).


From Gregg's FAQ:
An easy way to remember which kind of transistor goes where is to know
that each connector has one of each kind; the 2N3716s are on pins 1, 3,
and 4 (key at pin 2) and the 2N3792s are on pins 5, 6, and 7.  If the
wiring has not been altered, all 2N3716s are connected to the yellow,
green, and red wires and all 2N3792s are connected to the purple, blue,
and white wires.  

-jeff

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 2:01 PM
To: vectorlist 
Subject: Monitor Problem


A few days ago I was playing my Star Wars with the Wells Gardner 6100
monitor in it and the monitor shut off.  I decided to install the LV2000
that I had bought and still no monitor but R920 on the HC board blew.  I
replaced R920 then I realized as I was checking over everything that P101
was off one to the left(or one up).  So then, I read the Gregg Woodcock
document and in there it said I now had to change Q703, D702 and R711.  I
changed all of these and still no picture.  After talking to Jeff (thanks
for your help!!) we found out that I needed to change the chassis
transistors that went with P100.  I changed those two and the screen finally
came on.  The only problem was that all the lines were shaking up and down.
Then I changed the two on the side of the chassis and I still got the same
thing.  So now I decided to just change the rest of them and see what
happens.  Well I noticed that on the monitor chasis the transistor that is
in the middle bottom (I think Q102) was a 2N3792 and I thought it was
supposed to be a 2N3716 from what I have read.  Also I think Q706 which
should have been a SN3792 orignally had a 2N3716 in there.  So I changed the
2N3792(Q102) to a new 2N3716 that came with my cap kit.  Now when I turned
it on everything was crystal clear and all the lines were great, but the
whole screen was squished up to the top part of the screen and the bottom
was just all black.  So now I decided to change Q706(With the correct one
that it says should be in the manual) and Q705 now with new ones and I got
the same thing just picture on the top.  This next thing I regret doing
since there was a 2N3792 in Q102 originally and and a 2N3716 in Q706
originally and tried going back to that.  Well I turned in on and I got a
spark which looked like it came over from the deflection area.  I turned it
off immediately and went back to the way it says in the manual and now when
I turned it on in the middle left of the screen there are about 3 short
lines and it looks like the whole screen is squished into these couple of
short lines.  The short lines don't even go half way to the screen.  I am
sorry for this being so long, but if someone could please help me out that
would be great.  Thank you very much.

David Rudich
reddolphin@home
410-356-4441

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Roy
    To be 100% sure Im going to pull it out of the storage warehouse tonight. I
post pictures as well for this group

-=Mark=-

chumblespuzz wrote:

> Yes, I will give the group first option along with a nice, Vector List
> discount. :) I haven't gotten the final quote on production, yet, so I don't
> know what the price will be.
>
> I've never hear of a painted BW cp. Is it similar to the graphic I posted?
> Are the colors the same?
>
> -roy-
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark E Davidson <Burbs1@concentric.net>
> To: <vectorlist >
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 11:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Black Widow CPO
>
> > Roy
> >     Will you be offering the repros to the group? I bought a Black widow a
> > couple of months ago and my CP is painted (like asteroids was).
> > The crappy part is that someone tried to clear coat it, and messe it all
> up. Ive
> > never see a painted CP on this game before... Only a standard sticker CPO
> (and I
> > saw 2 "standard" machines 3 weeks ago) Anyone ever see this?
> >
> > -=Mark=-
> >
> > chumblespuzz wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I am preparing to go to press soon on my Black Widow CPO reproduction
> > > project and I have a question for you.
> > >
> > > I have two Black Widows from which I have based the CPO art. Both of
> their
> > > CPOs say with Rev. B, but they are colored slightly differently. The art
> > > appears the same but one has two more colors, purple and green. As it's
> time
> > > for me to do the color matching now I have to choose which color scheme
> to
> > > reproduce.
> > >
> > > You can check out a jpg of the CPO at:
> > >
> > > http://members.home.net/chumblespuzz/images/bw_cpo.jpg
> > >
> > > (Note 100Kb. Also, the colors are not yet matched and appear a bit vivid
> > > on-screen.)
> > >
> > > On this CPO, the rings are colored (starting from the outside) purple,
> pink,
> > > orange, blue, purple, pink yellow, green, purple, pink and orange. Also,
> the
> > > instructions box background is green.
> > >
> > > On my other CPO the colors are blue, pink, orange, blue, blue, pink
> yellow,
> > > blue, blue, pink, orange with the instructions box background blue. In
> other
> > > words, all the purples and greens are replaced with blue.
> > >
> > > I'm planning on going with the more colorful version, but I thought I
> would
> > > ask your opinion first. Are there any other differences you know of?
> Does
> > > anybody really care?
> > >
> > > If you have an opinion on this, please let me know. Also, if you have
> any
> > > interest in one I'd appreciate if you'd e-mail me. I'm not looking for
> > > commitments, I just plan to do a fairly small production run and I want
> to
> > > make sure there is enough to go around.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -roy-
> >
> >



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OK, I'll give a hint about the Tempest Multigame easter egg. If you don't
want a hint, don't read the rest of this message. If you do figure it out,
please be considerate (or inconsiderate as some might see it) by not openly
talking about it on the list :-) The hint is given down below after all
the quoted text.

> > 	Does this mean that I have to unsolder the EPROM, read in the
> > contents, figure out what bank vector breakout is in, disassemble it, then
> > look through the code to find your easter egg?
> > (or will you give us a hint?)
> > 
> Hmmmmm...  I'm not inclined to give out anymore hints on the list-- don't
> want to make it *too* obvious.  If a few of you want to badger Paul though
> maybe he'll crack. ;-)  If he won't tell you you can hit me up directly in
> e-mail and I'll give you a hint.  (In case there's some people that would
> rather discover it themselves, I don't want to tell all of Vectorlist...) 


Down....










Down....






Down....







Down....




Up...












No, Down....











OK, your hint is this: If you are looking at Vector Breakout, it's too late
to trigger the easter egg. Hmmm, what software did Clay write? Or perhaps
it can be activated from within the game & I'm just not aware of it... I'll
have to try it again when I get home.

BTW, I haven't seen the Egg within the Egg yet, but I have an idea....
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My order of Tom Wisnionski's replacement BZ bellows came yesterday. I
installed one this morning before I left, and I have to say, it's a perfect
fit.

He did leave out one innovative feature however -- they turn a Battle Zone
into a full upper-body workout machine ! :-)  

Serioiusly -- when he says they are stiffer than the original, he's not
kidding. Right now I have one old (that wasn't broken) and one new, so the
difference is quite apparant. Once they are both the same, I don't think it
will take much to get used to. Probably it is also due to how worn out the
old ones are.

Thanks for putting the effort into this Tom !

-Chris

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>He did leave out one innovative feature however -- they turn a Battle Zone
>into a full upper-body workout machine ! :-)
>
>Serioiusly -- when he says they are stiffer than the original, he's not
>kidding. Right now I have one old (that wasn't broken) and one new, so the
>difference is quite apparant. Once they are both the same, I don't think it
>will take much to get used to. Probably it is also due to how worn out the
>old ones are.
>


Is it strong enough that I'll have to put the "step" back onto my Battlezone
machine?  My step was rotting when I got my BZ, so I removed the whole
thing.  It's relatively stable with the amount of tension the sticks have
today, but will I be wrestling the machine when I install Tom's upgrade?

Joel-


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On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Joel Rosenzweig wrote:

> Is it strong enough that I'll have to put the "step" back onto my Battlezone

I doubt it.  Mine doesn't have a step either. I was also testing it this
morning without bolting the control pannel back down, and I didn't even have
the pannel flip open.


We'll see tonight when I replace the other one and bolt the pannel down.

-Chriks

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When I removed my step (to rebuild it) there was a sticker on the cabinet
that said something to the effect of "Warning: Step must be installed before
operation to prevent game from falling onto an agressive player" (or
something like that). I laughed my ass off! Perhaps Tom has to include new
stickers with his bellows. :)

-roy-

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> >He did leave out one innovative feature however -- they turn a Battle
Zone
> >into a full upper-body workout machine ! :-)
> >
> >Serioiusly -- when he says they are stiffer than the original, he's not
> >kidding. Right now I have one old (that wasn't broken) and one new, so
the
> >difference is quite apparant. Once they are both the same, I don't think
it
> >will take much to get used to. Probably it is also due to how worn out
the
> >old ones are.
> >
>
>
> Is it strong enough that I'll have to put the "step" back onto my
Battlezone
> machine?  My step was rotting when I got my BZ, so I removed the whole
> thing.  It's relatively stable with the amount of tension the sticks have
> today, but will I be wrestling the machine when I install Tom's upgrade?
>
> Joel-
>

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On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, chumblespuzz wrote:

> When I removed my step (to rebuild it) there was a sticker on the cabinet
> that said something to the effect of "Warning: Step must be installed before
> operation to prevent game from falling onto an agressive player" (or
> something like that). I laughed my ass off! Perhaps Tom has to include new
> stickers with his bellows. :)

Considdering the Red Barron cab is a modified BattleZone, and RB never had a
step, I doubt how serious a problem this is.

-Chris

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From jhendrix  Thu Aug  5 12:44:47 1999
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My red baron has a step.

-----Original Message-----
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On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, chumblespuzz wrote:

> When I removed my step (to rebuild it) there was a sticker on the cabinet
> that said something to the effect of "Warning: Step must be installed
before
> operation to prevent game from falling onto an agressive player" (or
> something like that). I laughed my ass off! Perhaps Tom has to include new
> stickers with his bellows. :)

Considdering the Red Barron cab is a modified BattleZone, and RB never had a
step, I doubt how serious a problem this is.

-Chris

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From ClayC  Thu Aug  5 12:50:30 1999
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> Considdering the Red Barron cab is a modified BattleZone, and RB never had
> a
> step, I doubt how serious a problem this is.
> 
Big difference though-- BZ gives you two big handles to reef on, and a
compelling reason to pull back on both hard (the cruise missiles).   

One of my hardware engineers (who isn't a particularly big guy) just about
got himself mashed playing on my machine-- got a little too "into" the game
and did a high-energy dodge buy pulling back hard on both handles...  Got
the back edge about 8" off the ground before a couple of us grabbed the
sides.  Kinda exciting-- adds that real life-and-death factor to the game.
;-)

-Clay

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On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, jeff hendrix wrote:

> My red baron has a step.

I'm just going by the flyer pictures on gamarchive, which dont' show a step.
But . . .

On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Clay Cowgill wrote:

> Big difference though-- BZ gives you two big handles to reef on, and a
> compelling reason to pull back on both hard (the cruise missiles).   

There's your problem -- drive INTO the missiles. You have less time
to aim, but the missles have less time to serpentine around you. Pulling
back is certain death. Apparently without the step -- litteraly. :-)

I actually had one BZ game, when I first discovered this trick, where the
missles kept scooting around me, off the back of the screen, and came around
for another pass. I've had a hard time duplicating it, but I think you have
to start driving at them almost immediately.

True though, you can probably yank on the BZ handles more than the analog RB
stick.

> One of my hardware engineers (who isn't a particularly big guy) just about
> got himself mashed playing on my machine-- got a little too "into" the game

Hmm -- perhaps making a new step isn't a bad idea . . .
:-)

-Chris

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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:57:17 -0400
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From: "Christopher V. Moore" <cmoore >
Subject: RE: New BZ Bellow Work Great
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