From matt Wed Dec 2 10:34:52 1998 Received: from admin.veriosc.com (admin.veriosc.com [192.215.246.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id KAA14008 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:34:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by admin.veriosc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA09006 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:34:44 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.veriosc.com: matt owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:34:44 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California X-Sender: matt@admin To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Electrohome G08 Question In-Reply-To: <9811110909.ZM29005@calcite> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Well - I'm happy to say that I've *almost* got this monitor working for my Space Fury now. I'm getting a picture. The graphics get scrambled on certain parts of the screen - and some of the colors are off. Much easier to deal with than a small spot in the center of the screen. The quesiton I have is - In the G08-003 Schematics - the resistor R932 is shown as .68 ohm 1 watt resistor. In the Parts list, it's shown as a 68 ohm resistor. ...and then on the schematics, pin 7 of the HV unit is showing +63VAC while Mark Jenison's description shows pin 7 as being just +6.3VAC. So - right now I'm getting +20VAC on that pin. I'm wondering if I've got the wrong resistor in at R932. Should it be .68ohms or 68 ohms? I'd love to have this game completely fixed by Christmas. :) Thanks... Matt BTW - If anyone would like to see the schematics, I can scan it in and put it up on my website. From jenison Wed Dec 2 11:19:55 1998 Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id LAA19349 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:19:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by motgate.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id LAA19283 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:19:34 -0600 (CST) Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by mothost.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id LAA08400 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:19:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id LAA14066 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:14:41 -0600 (CST) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id LAA24797 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:14:34 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:14:34 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9812021114.ZM24795@calcite> In-Reply-To: Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California "Electrohome G08 Question" (Dec 2, 8:34am) References: X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Electrohome G08 Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Dec 2, 8:34am, Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California wrote: > Subject: Electrohome G08 Question > Well - I'm happy to say that I've *almost* got this monitor working for my > Space Fury now. I'm getting a picture. The graphics get scrambled on > certain parts of the screen - and some of the colors are off. Much easier > to deal with than a small spot in the center of the screen. > > The quesiton I have is - In the G08-003 Schematics - the resistor R932 is > shown as .68 ohm 1 watt resistor. In the Parts list, it's shown as a 68 > ohm resistor. ...and then on the schematics, pin 7 of the HV unit is > showing +63VAC while Mark Jenison's description shows pin 7 as being just > +6.3VAC. First rule is to always discount whatever Mark Jenison says... > So - right now I'm getting +20VAC on that pin. I'm wondering if I've got > the wrong resistor in at R932. Should it be .68ohms or 68 ohms? I'd love > to have this game completely fixed by Christmas. :) I can take a look tonight on one of my spare ones to verify. > BTW - If anyone would like to see the schematics, I can scan it in and put > it up on my website. They are already available on wiretap. The one on wiretape shows .68 ohms also, and I think it says +63VAC, but I can't be sure. I got those numbers from David Shuman a long time ago. I believe the +6.3VAC is for the heater, and since the tube is the same as the WG6100, my guess is that +6.3VAC is correct (which would imply that maybe a larger resistor would be called for; I'll verify for you tonight). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From a-dashoe Wed Dec 2 13:22:39 1998 Received: from mail4.microsoft.com (mail4.microsoft.com [131.107.3.122]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id NAA12899 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:22:38 -0600 (CST) Received: by mail4.microsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:22:07 -0800 Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D03E3F904@RED-MSG-59> From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Multi cabinet control panel routing Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:22:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN A while back I was asking for ideas on signal routing of control panels for multi-cabs (Cinimatronics / Williams / etc.) I had been thinking about a PIC solution: read bits from input latch, remap, write bits to output latch. I sent mail out to the pic list and got feedback that yea its doable but not simple. But I did get one piece of mail suggesting I look a the Lattice Semi. ispGDX / ispGDS parts, these are programmable Generic Digital Crosspoint devices specifically designed for signal routing. http://www.latticesemi.com/prodinfo/ispgds.html So I ordered there disk and tried to give it a whack. Now I hit the snag, I don't know how to use the design software (ISP Synario starter), the docs are for dog snot and I have been floundering for the past 2 months on this. I thought I would mention it and see if I could get some pointers on using Synario or maybe someone else with a bit more programmable logic design experience would like to pick it up. It looks like this would be pretty much a 1 chip control panel routing solution. If someone can help me I would be glad to contribute to there new years beer fund :) This is the last part I need to solve to complete a project I have been working on for nearly 3 years. Thanks, David From ClayC Wed Dec 2 13:48:02 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id NAA17321 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:48:01 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01737 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:47:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma001732; Wed, 2 Dec 98 11:47:53 -0800 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa28243; 2 Dec 98 11:47 PST Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:47:52 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Multi cabinet control panel routing Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:47:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > I sent mail out to the pic list and got feedback that yea its doable > but not > simple. But I did get one piece of mail suggesting I look a the > Lattice > Semi. ispGDX / ispGDS parts, these are programmable Generic Digital > Crosspoint devices specifically designed for signal routing. > http://www.latticesemi.com/prodinfo/ispgds.html > Hmmmm. I'd still say a 40 pin PIC or Atmel AVR would be better/easier/faster to do. Lattice is always expensive... But, that having been said... > So I ordered there disk and tried to give it a whack. Now I hit the > snag, I > don't know how to use the design software (ISP Synario starter), the > docs > are for dog snot and I have been floundering for the past 2 months on > this. > I did the MultiPac design, the Pacman 284 and 285 boards, and all the ESB and Sega Multigame stuff in Synario/ABEL, so I know how to keep my head above water with it. (Although my logic reduction for the AVG replacement isn't going so well at the moment... Grrrr...) > I thought I would mention it and see if I could get some pointers on > using > Synario or maybe someone else with a bit more programmable logic > design > experience would like to pick it up. It looks like this would be > pretty > much a 1 chip control panel routing solution. > Drop me an e-mail with what you're having trouble with and I'll try to help... > If someone can help me I would be glad to contribute to there new > years beer > fund :) This is the last part I need to solve to complete a project I > have > been working on for nearly 3 years. > I still think a cheap little microcontroller would be best though. (What are your main requirements? I/O count?) -Clay From aek Wed Dec 2 13:49:03 1998 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id NAA17470 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:49:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (817 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:49:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:49:21 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: multipanels Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "I had been thinking about a PIC solution: read bits from input latch, remap, write bits to output latch. I sent mail out to the pic list and got feedback that yea its doable but not simple." If that's the case, you're using the wrong microcontroller. At the switching times of a pushbutton, doing this with a microcontroller should be easy. Was the issue programming the switch routing for different games? Or, was the problem trying to get this into a single chip? Separate chips for the inputs and outputs make allocation of pins on the microcontroller easier, and for the volume you're talking about (<100 boards ever?) who cares if it costs a couple bucks more. From dshuman Wed Dec 2 13:49:50 1998 Received: from mm1 (mm1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.50]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id NAA17586 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:49:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from mindspring.com ([206.175.194.55]) by mm1.sprynet.com with ESMTP id <227918-16666>; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:34:23 -0800 Message-ID: <366599CF.7A739E8 > Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 14:49:35 -0500 From: David Shuman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Electrohome G08 Question References: <9812021114.ZM24795@calcite> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Mark Jenison wrote: > On Dec 2, 8:34am, Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California wrote: > > The quesiton I have is - In the G08-003 Schematics - the resistor R932 is > > shown as .68 ohm 1 watt resistor. In the Parts list, it's shown as a 68 > > ohm resistor. ...and then on the schematics, pin 7 of the HV unit is > > showing +63VAC while Mark Jenison's description shows pin 7 as being just > > +6.3VAC. > > BTW - If anyone would like to see the schematics, I can scan it in and put > > it up on my website. > > They are already available on wiretap. The one on wiretape shows .68 ohms > also, and I think it says +63VAC, but I can't be sure. I got those numbers > from David Shuman a long time ago. I believe the +6.3VAC is for the heater, > and since the tube is the same as the WG6100, my guess is that +6.3VAC is > correct (which would imply that maybe a larger resistor would be called for; > I'll verify for you tonight). Hmmm... I'm trying to remember where I might have read those numbers, and after 3 years I must confess I have no idea where they came from. But I agree with Mark--when one output of your power supply is 6.3 VAC, it would be awfully strange to see 63 VAC somewhere in the circuit without a transformer somewhere in between. :-) In any case, if you're seeing 20 VAC on a 6.3 VAC line, that sounds like pretty bad news. There is a 6.3 VAC output on the power supply--if you measure 20 VAC there, that would be pretty good evidence that the PS is bad. In any case, I'd be hesitant to fire up the monitor again knowing that the heater was getting three times the voltage it was supposed to. Good luck! -- Dave From a-dashoe Wed Dec 2 14:25:53 1998 Received: from mail5.microsoft.com (mail5.microsoft.com [131.107.3.121]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id OAA22860 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:25:52 -0600 (CST) Received: by INET-IMC-05 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:25:21 -0800 Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D03E3F905@RED-MSG-59> From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Multi cabinet control panel routing Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:25:20 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN >Hmmmm. I'd still say a 40 pin PIC or Atmel AVR would be >better/easier/faster to do. Lattice is always expensive... But, that >having been said... Honestly at this point I don't care about cost so much. I am looking for an elegant solution to this problem and this is pretty nice (I think :) >Drop me an e-mail with what you're having trouble with and I'll try to >help... A lot of my problem was just understanding how to tell it what I was doing. The bread board version uses a mess of OC output AND gates 1 pin on each gate is the input line from the control panel the other side is the "enable" from the 3->8 selector. I just don't see a chip library with 74 series parts to drop in..... This is where my ignorance with the tool really comes into play. >> If someone can help me I would be glad to contribute to there new >> years beer v> fund :) This is the last part I need to solve to complete a project I >> have >> been working on for nearly 3 years. >> >I still think a cheap little microcontroller would be best though. >(What are your main requirements? I/O count?) Primary requirement 20 bit in 20 bit out 3 bits of mode selection. David From zonn Wed Dec 2 15:29:49 1998 Received: from relay.pair.com (relay1.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id PAA02831 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:29:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from shad.isidesign.com (shad.isidesign.com [205.230.20.135]) by relay.pair.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA25620 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:12:55 -0500 (EST) From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Multi cabinet control panel routing Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 20:51:19 GMT Message-ID: <3665a613.9515810 > References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id PAA02832 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:47:48 -0800 , Clay Cowgill wrote: >> I sent mail out to the pic list and got feedback that yea its doable >> but not >> simple. But I did get one piece of mail suggesting I look a the >> Lattice >> Semi. ispGDX / ispGDS parts, these are programmable Generic Digital >> Crosspoint devices specifically designed for signal routing. >> http://www.latticesemi.com/prodinfo/ispgds.html >> >Hmmmm. I'd still say a 40 pin PIC or Atmel AVR would be >better/easier/faster to do. Lattice is always expensive... But, that >having been said... I'd have to agree. If it's lack of I/O you're concerned with, check out this appnote, this guy manages to scan 21 keys using only 4 I/O lines...(and a few diodes): http://www.microchip.com/0/Appnote/Category/12CXXX/Logic/4_012/index.htm That leaves a lot of left over lines to masquerade as inputs to the game board. (BTW: Don't believe everything you read on the PicList, that is one "noisy" mailing list! I wonder if you can setup a listserver command to automatically unsubscribe anybody who answers a message with "me too!"...) -Zonn <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn -------| // \\/ From ClayC Wed Dec 2 19:18:33 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id TAA14543 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:18:32 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA09126 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:18:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma009123; Wed, 2 Dec 98 17:18:18 -0800 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa23516; 2 Dec 98 17:18 PST Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:18:18 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Multi cabinet control panel routing Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:18:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > Honestly at this point I don't care about cost so much. I am looking > for an > elegant solution to this problem and this is pretty nice (I think :) > I hear you there! I'm forever trapped in "must save pennies to make margin" mode for work though... ;-) > >Drop me an e-mail with what you're having trouble with and I'll try > to > >help... > > A lot of my problem was just understanding how to tell it what I was > doing. > The bread board version uses a mess of OC output AND gates 1 pin on > each > gate is the input line from the control panel the other side is the > "enable" > from the 3->8 selector. I just don't see a chip library with 74 > series > parts to drop in..... This is where my ignorance with the tool really > comes > into play. > Yeah, the lack of 74xx type functions in Synario had me pretty baffled for a while there too. You can either build them yourself from raw gates (which I did for most of my stuff), or model them in ABEL. The main "gotcha" is that the concept of an OC or tri-state doesn't really exist inside the programmable chips. You have to kinda re-think the design to fit the architecture. (That's what took the longest when trying to adapt the TTL implementations of the Pacman daughtercards -- you can't just have registers hanging on the same wire that are tri-stated when not active.) > >> If someone can help me I would be glad to contribute to there new > >> years beer > v> fund :) This is the last part I need to solve to complete a > project I > >> have > >> been working on for nearly 3 years. > >> > >I still think a cheap little microcontroller would be best though. > >(What are your main requirements? I/O count?) > > Primary requirement > 20 bit in > 20 bit out > 3 bits of mode selection. > Well, I think Zonn's on the right track. I'd look at something like the Atmel AT90S4414 uController and read the inputs as a matrix. The 4414 has 32 lines of IO, built-in flash and SRAM, etc. Use one port to scan your "inputs" as a switch matrix, and then use 20 dedicated output lines for you parallel presentation to the game interface. The AVR (Atmel) ports will sink 20mA each. (Not like a PC keyboard uses 105 lines of I/O. I bet you there's a PIC appnote somewhere that shows how to read a switch matrix with just a few IO lines...) The Atmel development kit with a circuitboard/programmer and software (assembler, programmer, simulator) is only $49. At the AT90S4414 in singles is only about $6.75 (sub $5 in 100's from distribution). And you can just program it in assembly, or IAR has a demo version of their C compiler you can use for free for up to 256 bytes of object code (or something like that)... -Clay From a-dashoe Wed Dec 2 19:54:40 1998 Received: from mail3.microsoft.com (mail3.microsoft.com [131.107.3.123]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id TAA18421 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:54:39 -0600 (CST) Received: by mail3.microsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:54:09 -0800 Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D03E3F90A@RED-MSG-59> From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Multi cabinet control panel routing Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:54:07 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I checked arrow America and they list the ispGDX for 15.80 each in singles.  I can swing that, though it is a 100 pin TQFP and would require a board to be made to connect it up.  This part has 80 i/o pins and a 5ns response time.  Would be WAY overkill but it is pretty much a 1 chip solution.  Yeah, the lack of 74xx type functions in Synario had me pretty baffled for a while there too.  You can either build them yourself from raw gates (which I did for most of my stuff), or model them in ABEL.  The main "gotcha" is that the concept of an OC or tri-state doesn't really exist inside the programmable chips.  You have to kinda re-think the design to fit the architecture.  (That's what took the longest when trying to adapt the TTL implementations of the Pacman daughtercards -- you can't just have registers hanging on the same wire that are tri-stated when not active.)   Do you know if the 74xx type stuff is available in a library or in the "full" version of the product?  I am pretty familiar with that kind of logic and getting over my head doing much else. Well, I think Zonn's on the right track.  I'd look at something like the Atmel AT90S4414 uController and read the inputs as a matrix.  The 4414 has 32 lines of IO, built-in flash and SRAM, etc.  Use one port to scan your "inputs" as a switch matrix, and then use 20 dedicated output lines for you parallel presentation to the game interface.  The AVR (Atmel) ports will sink 20mA each.  (Not like a PC keyboard uses 105 lines of I/O.  I bet you there's a PIC appnote somewhere that shows how to read a switch matrix with just a few IO lines...) Well I guess I can check this route out.  Though I don't know if I want to deal with the external diodes required to turn it into a matrix, starts to sound too much like a pinball :) The Atmel development kit with a circuitboard/programmer and software (assembler, programmer, simulator) is only $49.  At the AT90S4414 in singles is only about $6.75 (sub $5 in 100's from distribution).  And you can just program it in assembly, or IAR has a demo version of their C compiler you can use for free for up to 256 bytes of object code (or something like that)... HMMM.  Well it's something else to look at.  I guess after 3 years a few more weeks of learning won't kill me.  :)   David   From aek Wed Dec 2 20:16:26 1998 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id UAA20050 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:16:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (435 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:16:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:16:45 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Multi cabinet control panel routing Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "The Atmel development kit with a circuitboard/programmer and software (assembler, programmer, simulator) is only $49." someone here at work just showed me an I2C -> async serial converter he built with the version of the part with a UART in it.. very cute.. From ClayC Thu Dec 3 11:34:34 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id LAA21372 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:34:32 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA18690 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:34:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma018686; Thu, 3 Dec 98 09:34:06 -0800 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa21061; 3 Dec 98 9:34 PST Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:34:06 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Multi cabinet control panel routing Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:34:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > "The Atmel development kit with a circuitboard/programmer and software > (assembler, programmer, simulator) is only $49." > > someone here at work just showed me an I2C -> async serial converter > he built with the version of the part with a UART in it.. very cute.. > Heh-heh. I just did async-serial -> I2C for a project of mine. It's pretty handy since Atmel has an app-note for I2C Master/Slave implementation and an app-note for Async Serial. ;-) The 90S1200 doesn't have a real UART, but you can bit-bang 115.2K async serial with a 4MHz crystal, half duplex, but it works! Neat little part for under $2! (Table lookups still suck though. Makes the PIC's table-lookup hack seem handy by comparison...) -Clay From matt Thu Dec 3 11:51:53 1998 Received: from admin.veriosc.com (admin.veriosc.com [192.215.246.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id LAA24379 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:51:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by admin.veriosc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA27467 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:52:01 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.veriosc.com: matt owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:52:01 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California X-Sender: matt@admin To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Electrohome G08 Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Well - I think I'm actually fine with +20VAC reading because I'm getting that reading from a DMM that's not true RMS (Root Mean Square). My roommate gave me an equation that helped to clear things up. Take 6.3 and multiply it by 2 * sqrt(2) and you'll get about 17.8. (Correct me if I'm wrong). My DMM is showing between 19 and 20 so I feel safe. The other alternative of course is using a scope, which I've also done. So yes, the resister R932 should be .68 ohm 1 watt and not 68 ohm like the Parts list says and 6.3 VAC is correct - not 63 VAC. If someone wanted to explain the RMS issue in more detail - I think it would be a good thing to add in to Mark Jenison's G08 document for those that are somewhat new to troubleshooting. Matt > The quesiton I have is - In the G08-003 Schematics - the resistor R932 is > shown as .68 ohm 1 watt resistor. In the Parts list, it's shown as a 68 > ohm resistor. ...and then on the schematics, pin 7 of the HV unit is > showing +63VAC while Mark Jenison's description shows pin 7 as being just > +6.3VAC. > > So - right now I'm getting +20VAC on that pin. I'm wondering if I've got > the wrong resistor in at R932. Should it be .68ohms or 68 ohms? I'd love > to have this game completely fixed by Christmas. :) From ClayC Thu Dec 3 13:30:42 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id NAA14800 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:30:41 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21009 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:30:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma021004; Thu, 3 Dec 98 11:30:12 -0800 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa29520; 3 Dec 98 11:30 PST Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:30:11 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Multi cabinet control panel routing Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:30:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id NAA14802 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > I checked arrow America and they list the ispGDX for 15.80 each in > singles.  > I can swing that, though it is a 100 pin TQFP and would require a > board to > be made to connect it up.  This part has 80 i/o pins and a 5ns > response > time.  Would be WAY overkill but it is pretty much a 1 chip solution.  > > 100 pin TQFP! Aiiiiigggh!!! Run for the hills! ;-) TQFP's are kind-of tricky to work with compared to packages with larger leadspacing. If you have a pretty good soldering iron you can probably hand mount the TQFP. Takes some practice. If you know someone with a little reflow oven and paste dispenser more the better... > Do you know if the 74xx type stuff is available in a library or in the > "full" version of the product?  I am pretty familiar with that kind of > logic > and getting over my head doing much else. > You know, I don't know that for sure. I have the full retail version of Synario from Minc, but haven't installed it yet. (One of those "you need to call us on the phone as you do it, during working hours M-F, so we can verify your hardware key crap and generally be a pain-in-the-ass just to get your software installed" deals...) > Well I guess I can check this route out.  Though I don't know if I > want to > deal with the external diodes required to turn it into a matrix, > starts to > sound too much like a pinball :) > :-) For a low-volume project I'd go for ~20 diodes and a 40 pin DIP over a 100pin TQFP anyday! Just need something like 1N4148's or something. If you *really* want to get in surface-mount hell you can use those little round-surface mount diodes that roll all over when you try to place them. ;-) -Clay From heinz Thu Dec 3 13:57:42 1998 Received: from dctcorp.com (smtp.dctcorp.com [38.208.165.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id NAA19419 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:57:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from dct5.dctcorp.com by dctcorp.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA10119; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:53:38 -0500 Received: from localhost by dct5.dctcorp.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12752; Thu, 3 Dec 98 14:58:47 EST Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:58:46 -0500 (EST) From: Heinz Seltmann X-Sender: heinz@dct5 To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Multi cabinet control panel routing In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id NAA19422 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > > > Do you know if the 74xx type stuff is available in a library or in the > > "full" version of the product?  I am pretty familiar with that kind of > > logic > > and getting over my head doing much else. Usually the HDL languages don't bother trying to emulate these. You simply recreate the behavior that you want and blamo, out pops a bunch of gates that usually does what you want. > > > :-) For a low-volume project I'd go for ~20 diodes and a 40 pin DIP > over a 100pin TQFP anyday! Just need something like 1N4148's or > something. If you *really* want to get in surface-mount hell you can > use those little round-surface mount diodes that roll all over when you > try to place them. ;-) I would second the above. Also the cost factor will be a lot lower for a bunch of diodes compared to programmable logic. Heinz From jwelser Thu Dec 3 14:36:31 1998 Received: from piglet.cc.utexas.edu (jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu [128.83.42.61]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id OAA26138 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:36:30 -0600 (CST) From: jwelser Received: from localhost (jwelser@localhost) by piglet.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/piglet.mc-1.9) with SMTP id OAA09764 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:36:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:36:28 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Multi cabinet control panel routing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Clay Cowgill wrote: > 100 pin TQFP! Aiiiiigggh!!! Run for the hills! ;-) > > TQFP's are kind-of tricky to work with compared to packages with larger > leadspacing. If you have a pretty good soldering iron you can probably > hand mount the TQFP. Takes some practice. If you know someone with a > little reflow oven and paste dispenser more the better... They have 100-TQFP sockets, actually.... They're kind of crappy, but for a digital circuit, it really doesn't matter. The socket kind of comes in two parts, and you screw the top one to the bottom, with the chip in the middle. (The last chip I worked on was in a 100-TQFP. It had 100 dB DACs in it, and it really complicated the process of characterizing the analog performance in-house.) Joe From shostak@nortel.ca Thu Dec 3 14:52:28 1998 Received: from smtprtp (smtprtp.nortel.com [192.122.117.66]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id OAA28512 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:52:25 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199812032052.OAA28512@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu> Received: from brtpsa05 by smtprtp; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:31:14 -0500 Received: from us.nortel.com by brtpsa05.us.nortel.com id <26078-0 >; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:31:05 -0500 Date: 03 Dec 1998 15:30 EST Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: "Mark Shostak" Subject: RE: Multi cabinet control panel routing MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id OAA28526 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Sender: "Mark Shostak" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In message "Multi cabinet control panel routing", ClayC writes: > > Do you know if the 74xx type stuff is available in a library or in the > > "full" version of the product?  I am pretty familiar with that kind of > > logic > > and getting over my head doing much else. > > > You know, I don't know that for sure. I use the full "blown" version and... sorry, no direct 74XX support. (But you do get the books!) However, you don't really need 74XX. If you're going to use real 74XX logic you still have to select a gate type and translate it to a part number. Synario just cuts out the middle man and lets you select the gate you want. As far as the OC "outputs" are concerned, I just use a tri-state op with OE and the actual output signal tied together. You can pervert this for inverted logic. If you want to implement a wire-OR on chip, just use a bigger regular OR. BTW, with all that I/O, why have only 3 mode select bits? (or are they I2C :-) -Mark From anders_knudsen Thu Dec 3 14:54:25 1998 Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic.adaptec.com [208.236.45.80]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id OAA28885 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:54:24 -0600 (CST) From: anders_knudsen Received: from kingdom.adaptec.com (kingdom [162.62.162.10]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24426 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:52:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from btc.btc.adaptec.com ([162.62.64.6]) by kingdom.adaptec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA00321 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:52:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812032052.MAA00321 > Received: from viking.btc.adaptec.com (viking.btc.adaptec.com [162.62.146.69]) by btc.btc.adaptec.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA10482 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:52:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:52:10 -0700 Apparently-To: Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN At 09:52 AM 12/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >Well - I think I'm actually fine with +20VAC reading because I'm getting >that reading from a DMM that's not true RMS (Root Mean Square). My >roommate gave me an equation that helped to clear things up. Take 6.3 and >multiply it by 2 * sqrt(2) and you'll get about 17.8. (Correct me if I'm >wrong). My DMM is showing between 19 and 20 so I feel safe. The other >alternative of course is using a scope, which I've also done. > >So yes, the resister R932 should be .68 ohm 1 watt and not 68 ohm like the >Parts list says and 6.3 VAC is correct - not 63 VAC. If someone wanted to >explain the RMS issue in more detail - I think it would be a good thing to >add in to Mark Jenison's G08 document for those that are somewhat new to >troubleshooting. > >Matt > > > >> The quesiton I have is - In the G08-003 Schematics - the resistor R932 is >> shown as .68 ohm 1 watt resistor. In the Parts list, it's shown as a 68 >> ohm resistor. ...and then on the schematics, pin 7 of the HV unit is >> showing +63VAC while Mark Jenison's description shows pin 7 as being just >> +6.3VAC. >> >> So - right now I'm getting +20VAC on that pin. I'm wondering if I've got >> the wrong resistor in at R932. Should it be .68ohms or 68 ohms? I'd love >> to have this game completely fixed by Christmas. :) > X-Sender: andersk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 13:53:53 -0700 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Anders Knudsen Subject: Re: Electrohome G08 Question In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:52 AM 12/3/98 -0800, you wrote: From ClayC Thu Dec 3 15:39:06 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id PAA03916 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:39:04 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA23046 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma023043; Thu, 3 Dec 98 13:05:54 -0800 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa06764; 3 Dec 98 13:05 PST Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:05:52 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Multi cabinet control panel routing Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:05:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > As far as the OC "outputs" are concerned, I just use a tri-state op > with OE and the actual output signal tied together. You can pervert > this > for inverted logic. > Ok, lost me. Can you elaborate? (are you doing everything from ABEL or some other HDL or are you building a top level schematic and assigning all I/O pads that way?) -Clay From a-dashoe Thu Dec 3 15:53:26 1998 Received: from mail5.microsoft.com (mail5.microsoft.com [131.107.3.121]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id PAA06668 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:53:25 -0600 (CST) Received: by INET-IMC-05 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:04:30 -0800 Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D03E3F90F@RED-MSG-59> From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Multi cabinet control panel routing Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:04:29 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I use the full "blown" version and... sorry, no direct 74XX support. (But you do get the books!) However, you don't really need 74XX. If you're going to use real 74XX logic you still have to select a gate type and translate it to a part number. Synario just cuts out the middle man and lets you select the gate you want. Well as I am not sure what "gate type" means it is probably why I am having trouble with Synario.  You mean and, or, etc?  So how do I select an and gate in Synario? BTW, with all that I/O, why have only 3 mode select bits? (or are they I2C :-) 3 Mode bits because I couldn't see needing to map more than 8 games in 1 implementation.     Anyone know if the outputs on that Atmel part can be configured tri-state?  I will probably order the intro kit and see what I can do with it.  Are there diode packs like there are resistor packs?  I have never needed them so never thought to look.   David   From aek Thu Dec 3 16:03:02 1998 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id QAA08325 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:03:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (354 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:03:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:03:21 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: diode packs Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "Are there diode packs like there are resistor packs" yes, motorola and a number of other companies sell them, either as individial diodes, or with one lead tied together and brought out to a single pin. From ClayC Thu Dec 3 16:17:27 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id QAA10710 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:17:26 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA24399 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:17:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma024393; Thu, 3 Dec 98 14:17:18 -0800 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa11796; 3 Dec 98 14:17 PST Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:17:18 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Multi cabinet control panel routing Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:17:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id QAA10715 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > Well as I am not sure what "gate type" means it is probably why I am > having > trouble with Synario.  You mean and, or, etc?  So how do I select an > and > gate in Synario? > If you're using the Schematic module, you can just add a part. There will be gates, i/o's, latches, etc. They're just "simple" devices, not something complex like a "4 bit counter" or "8 bit latch" or something. You can build one out of raw gates (or an ABEL description) and then turn that module into a schematic part though and use it in a schematic that way. > Anyone know if the outputs on that Atmel part can be configured > tri-state?  > Yep, more or less... you just configure it to "input". There are ports called "DDRx" that's the Data Direction Register for port A-D. You'll need to do something like: ldi r5,0xff ; load register (immediate) 5 with all ones out DDRA,r5 ; send register 5 to port DDRA (data direction register A) It's a little funky-- the Data Direction "Register" is really a port, so you can't use *register* opcodes on it, hence the "out" instead of a load... > I will probably order the intro kit and see what I can do with it.  > Are > there diode packs like there are resistor packs?  I have never needed > them > so never thought to look. > I've seen diode packs, usually in Mouser or Digikey? They seemed (relatively) spendy compared to sub-penny discretes so I never bought any... -Clay >   > > From woodcock@fastlane.net Sun Dec 6 15:54:32 1998 Received: from fastlane.net (fastlane.net [209.197.224.10]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id PAA27438 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:54:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from mkosalka (dallas.tx.tnt1.184.fastlane.net [209.197.225.184]) by fastlane.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA00384 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:54:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Gregg Woodcock" To: Subject: Re: LV2000 demands Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:48:55 -0800 Message-ID: <01be2172$fc3e9220$b8e1c5d1@mkosalka> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > I was thinking about this, and this message might be high >on the "duh" factor, but.... > > Doesn't the monitor chassis itself act as a huge heatsink? >Adding a TO-3 heatsink wouldn't seem to increase the heat transfer >from the transistors, by much, because they're adding only a small >amount of surface area, compared to the metal chassis of the >monitor, itself. The "duh" is that you are forgetting about the mica insulator which sits between the transistor and the chassis; the heat sink will DIRECTLY TOUCH the transistor and sit ON TOP OF the mica insulator. Much heat transfer is lost because of this (absoultey necessary) insulator. From gonzothegreat Mon Dec 7 07:43:49 1998 Received: from x8.boston.juno.com (x8.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.24]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id HAA26838 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:43:49 -0600 (CST) Received: (from gonzothegreat ) by x8.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DVVB6RE8; Mon, 07 Dec 1998 08:43:45 EST To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 05:51:39 -0600 Subject: A bunch of vector (and vector related) questions Message-ID: <19981207.074049.12014.0.gonzothegreat > References: <199812032052.MAA00321 > X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,6-7,11-17 From: gonzothegreat (Alan J McCormick) Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I'm trying to cobble together an Atari color vector test jig and I'm trying to find a sub for the 50VAC center tapped transformer (or a complete harness/PS if that's cheaper). Any sources? Where can I find replacements for the two gears on the Star Wars flight yoke? The gears one the one I have were trashed by the philistine who trashed the cab (which had been converted to a Lock-On...cringe) I have a few driving controllers from Badlands and Super Sprint. Is there a way to use the opto mechs as Tempest type spinners? A knob would be nice as well since Tempest with a steering wheel would be clumsy at best :) Does anybody have a spare marquee bracket for the top of a SD UR? Thanks in advance to the list! Virtu-Al ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From cmoore Mon Dec 7 10:05:35 1998 Received: from heartlab.com (heartlab.com [209.113.195.248]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id KAA16819 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:05:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from milliways [209.113.195.217] by heartlab.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ACB337010E; Mon, 07 Dec 1998 11:05:07 EDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19981207160727.00c44700 > X-Sender: cmoore X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 11:07:27 -0500 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: "Christopher V. Moore" Subject: Re: A bunch of vector (and vector related) questions Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN >Where can I find replacements for the two gears on the Star Wars flight >yoke? The gears one the one I have were trashed by the philistine who >trashed the cab (which had been converted to a Lock-On...cringe) > I ordered a gear that was missing on my Star Wars controller from John Robertson (John's Jukes). -- Christopher V. Moore -- Principal Engineeer Heartlab, Inc. - 101 Airport Rd - Westerly, RI 02891 -- www.heartlab.com Phone: (401) 596-0592 x113 - Fax: (401) 596-8562 - Email: cmoore From jenison Mon Dec 7 13:28:56 1998 Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id NAA19516 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:28:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by ftpbox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id NAA13483 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:28:52 -0600 (CST) Comments: ( Received on ftpbox.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay2.cig.mot.com (relay2.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.24]) by mothost.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id NAA21803 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:27:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.9.0/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id NAA20144 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:23:56 -0600 (CST) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id NAA17574 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:23:45 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:23:45 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9812071323.ZM17572@calcite> X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Tempest screen "bowing" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi all, I recently finished restoring a Tempest and noticed that the top and bottom of the screen were bowing in like this (ASCII art): |\____/| | | | | | | | ____ | |/ \| Well, not that drastically, but hopefully this gets my point across. Anyway, at first I figured it was a monitor problem, so I tested it with another monitor and it still does the same thing. I can't adjust it out with the BIP and linear pots (or any pots for that matter), so I was wondering if any of you might have an idea what might be wrong with the board or how I could fix this. Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From andrew Mon Dec 7 13:42:11 1998 Received: from smtp4.nwnexus.com (smtp4.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.52]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id NAA20572 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:42:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from KIMAGURE (blv-mx101-ip38.nwnexus.net [206.63.40.138]) by smtp4.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22093 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:42:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:42:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812071942.LAA22093 > From: Andrew Wilson To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Replacing the HV diode in a WG 19V2000 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN OK, I finally got my SK7333 diodes from Mouser, and I'm ready to replace the HV diode in my Ast. Deluxe. As expected, the diodes are too large to fit in the socket. Here's what I pulled from the vectorlist archive about replacing this diode: >Rick Schieve replacing these. Cut off the bad connectors. Solder the new diode >directly to the bare wires (this is harder than it sounds, actually). >Coat exposed leads with RTV silicone (available at any auto parts store; >I use the red stuff). You must coat the exposed leads to insulate them >or you will get very dagerous arcing of HV all over the place. The socket is actually in pretty good shape, so I'd prefer not to cut it off if possible. Does anyone else have any other suggestions for how to do this, before I make this mod? Finally, the cathode (the part the diode arrow ->| points to?) goes toward the tube, right? I stupidly forgot to check the existing diode before I pulled it, but that's what the schematics show, I think. Drew From MKDUD Tue Dec 8 01:29:13 1998 Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id BAA02505 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:29:12 -0600 (CST) From: MKDUD Received: from MKDUD by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id RSQQa17107 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:28:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:28:00 EST To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Tempest screen "bowing" Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In a message dated 12/7/98 2:50:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, jenison writes: << Anyway, at first I figured it was a monitor problem, so I tested it with another monitor and it still does the same thing. I can't adjust it out with the BIP and linear pots (or any pots for that matter), so I was wondering if any of you might have an idea what might be wrong with the board or how I could fix this. >> Were you using the same power supply? I've seen something similar to what you are describing when the big blue cap is starting to go bad... From jenison Tue Dec 8 09:32:39 1998 Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id JAA12365 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:32:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by motgate.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id JAA03178 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:32:36 -0600 (CST) Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by mothost.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id JAA23937 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:32:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id JAA12695 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:16:31 -0600 (CST) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id JAA02279 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:16:23 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:16:23 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9812080916.ZM2277@calcite> In-Reply-To: MKDUD "Re: Tempest screen "bowing"" (Dec 8, 2:28am) References: X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Tempest screen "bowing" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Dec 8, 2:28am, MKDUD wrote: > Subject: Re: Tempest screen "bowing" > In a message dated 12/7/98 2:50:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jenison writes: > > << Anyway, at first I figured it was a monitor problem, so I tested it with > another monitor and it still does the same thing. I can't adjust it out with > the BIP and linear pots (or any pots for that matter), so I was wondering if > any of you might have an idea what might be wrong with the board or how I > could > fix this. > >> > > Were you using the same power supply? I've seen something similar to what you > are describing when the big blue cap is starting to go bad... Actually, I had to replace the big blue cap. It's an exact replacement, so it probably isn't that. I'm going to try to adjust the +5VDC and see if that helps. Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From ClayC Tue Dec 8 13:49:59 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id NAA17694 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:49:53 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA19909 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:49:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma019903; Tue, 8 Dec 98 11:49:28 -0800 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa07487; 8 Dec 98 11:49 PST Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:49:27 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Tempest screen "bowing" Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:49:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > Anyway, at first I figured it was a monitor problem, so I tested it > with > another monitor and it still does the same thing. I can't adjust it > out with > the BIP and linear pots (or any pots for that matter), so I was > wondering if > any of you might have an idea what might be wrong with the board or > how I could > fix this. > You know, actually that looks a lot like Star Wars on a Wells Gardner monitor without a display corrector in place. Maybe you've got a problem in the Tempest AVG around the 1495's (the display corrector is built in on a Tempest). The 1495's are probably OK, but a broken resistor or other form of "open" can disable the multiplier part of the display corrector and "put the bowing back". If possible, test another vector board on the monitor in the Tempest see if it bows too-- a Space Duel or Gravitar would be a good choice since they have on-board display correction too. -Clay From MKDUD Tue Dec 8 22:10:33 1998 Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id WAA26731 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:10:32 -0600 (CST) From: MKDUD Received: from MKDUD by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QDKPa05301 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:59:57 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:59:57 EST To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Where is Mark's G08 faq?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hello, I was wondering where to find Mark's GO8 faq, I wasn't sure where it was posted. Thanks, Michael Kelley From jenison Wed Dec 9 10:01:47 1998 Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id KAA06336 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:01:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by ftpbox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id KAA09334 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:01:40 -0600 (CST) Comments: ( Received on ftpbox.mot.com from client pobox.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay2.cig.mot.com (relay2.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.24]) by pobox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id KAA22037 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:01:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.9.0/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id JAA04787 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:58:45 -0600 (CST) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id JAA24379 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:58:34 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:58:34 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9812090958.ZM24377@calcite> In-Reply-To: MKDUD "Where is Mark's G08 faq??" (Dec 8, 10:59pm) References: X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Where is Mark's G08 faq?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Dec 8, 10:59pm, MKDUD wrote: > Subject: Where is Mark's G08 faq?? > Hello, > > I was wondering where to find Mark's GO8 faq, I wasn't sure where it was > posted. The G08 monitor FAQ has not been released yet. I'm still looking for contributors (hint hint). It's pretty much fleshed out, but I'd like to see some more technical meat in it. If you're talking about the Sega XY faq, I've updated that a few times so any copy you find out there will probably be old. No major updates, though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From gblee@concentric.net Thu Dec 10 06:36:18 1998 Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id GAA29863 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 06:36:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi [206.173.119.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/11/30 5.11)) id HAA06124; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:36:16 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from gblee (ts031d22.lap-ca.concentric.net [206.173.198.34]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id HAA16406; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:36:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981210043223.007edae0@pop.cari.net> X-Sender: gaymond@pop.cari.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 04:32:23 -0800 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Gaymond Lee Subject: Solar Quest FS/T In-Reply-To: <199812032052.MAA00321 > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi, I thought I would offer this on the list before RGVAC. Complete Solar Quest (except the back door) untested (assume not working). Just bought about 30 games last week and I'm in the middle of moving to LA. The game is in San Diego and I can ship via Forward Air or help with local delivery. Instead of the usual $35 I charge for getting it to Forward Air (reg price), only $20 for vectorlist subscribers. http://www.concentric.net/~Gblee/solarq1.JPG http://www.concentric.net/~Gblee/solarq2.JPG http://www.concentric.net/~Gblee/solarq3.JPG http://www.concentric.net/~Gblee/solarq4.JPG First $200 (will be higher on RGVAC) takes it. Thanks for reading! Gaymond Lee From jaydoubleu@usa.net Thu Dec 10 10:08:30 1998 Received: from relay04.netaddress.usa.net (relay04.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.184]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id KAA25568 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:08:29 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 477 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1998 16:08:28 -0000 Received: from www0t.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.49) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 1998 16:08:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 22906 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 1998 16:08:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19981210160827.22905.qmail@www0t.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 209.251.136.169 by www.netaddress.com via web-mailer(3.1) on Thu Dec 10 16:08:27 GMT 1998 Date: 10 Dec 98 11:08:27 EST From: Jay Doubleu To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Star Wars stray line on death star explosion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hello all, this is my first message to the list: I have a Star Wars upright that seems to work fine in all respects except when the death star explodes. As the concentric circles are being drawn, a bright blue line will be drawn from the center out. It draws at an angle 45 degress right of vertical. I have tried turning the brightness down ('screen' pot), but with no success. Any ideas? The game (seems) to pass all tests. On the linear scale test, when to box reaches the center and disappears, a green line along the same trajectory as that blue line is drawn. Any ideas? thanks, Josh ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From ray Thu Dec 10 10:34:39 1998 Received: from tbone.agouron.com (tbone.agouron.com [198.182.177.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id KAA28597 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:34:39 -0600 (CST) Received: (from gproxy@localhost) by tbone.agouron.com (8.9.1a/8.8.7) id IAA24703 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:34:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns3.agouron.com(10.0.7.236) via SMTP by tbone.agouron.com, id smtpdAAAa0061f; Thu Dec 10 08:34:27 1998 Received: from agouron.com (ray1.dhcp.agouron.com [10.0.6.192]) by dns3.agouron.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA25122 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:34:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ray ) Message-ID: <366FF7D1.5D0B8AAC > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:33:22 -0800 From: Ray Ghanbari Organization: Agouron Pharmaceuticals Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Solar Quest FS/T References: <3.0.1.32.19981210043223.007edae0@pop.cari.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Gaymond Lee wrote: > Hi, > I thought I would offer this on the list before RGVAC. Complete Solar Quest > (except the back door) untested (assume not working). Just bought about 30 > games last week and I'm in the middle of moving to LA. The game is in San > Diego and I can ship via Forward Air or help with local delivery. Instead > of the usual $35 I charge for getting it to Forward Air (reg price), only > $20 for vectorlist subscribers. Anything else interesting in the pile Gaymond? Any more thoughts on the Gravitar? Also, I may have a buyer for my Robotron. How much would you charge to take care of shipping to PA for me? I'll pass the cost through to the buyer, but he's asking for an estimate. Ray From jenison Thu Dec 10 10:46:30 1998 Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [129.188.136.102]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id KAA29640 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:46:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate2.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id KAA23512 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:48:22 -0600 (CST) Comments: ( Received on motgate2.mot.com from client pobox.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by pobox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id KAA02290 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:46:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id KAA00673 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:44:58 -0600 (CST) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id KAA14528 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:44:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:44:47 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9812101044.ZM14526@calcite> In-Reply-To: Jay Doubleu "Star Wars stray line on death star explosion" (Dec 10, 11:08am) References: <19981210160827.22905.qmail@www0t.netaddress.usa.net> X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Star Wars stray line on death star explosion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Dec 10, 11:08am, Jay Doubleu wrote: > Subject: Star Wars stray line on death star explosion > Hello all, this is my first message to the list: > > I have a Star Wars upright that seems to work fine in all respects except when > the death star explodes. As the concentric circles are being drawn, a bright > blue line will be drawn from the center out. It draws at an angle 45 degress > right of vertical. I have tried turning the brightness down ('screen' pot), > but with no success. Any ideas? My Star Wars has this exact same behavior. I've even tried swapping monitors, but it still remains. My line is white, however. > The game (seems) to pass all tests. On the > linear scale test, when to box reaches the center and disappears, a green line > along the same trajectory as that blue line is drawn. Mine does not do this. More Star Wars... I have a monitor with the LV2000 installed, and just as the Death Star explosion finishes and everything is returning to normal, the vectors are all "connected" for a brief moment to the center of the screen, then everything returns to normal. I suspect this has something to do with the HV being taxed during the explosion, and the swing back causes this brief syptom? Could someone explain to me technically why the monitor "blooms" during the Death Star explosion? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From ray Thu Dec 10 10:52:27 1998 Received: from tbone.agouron.com (tbone.agouron.com [198.182.177.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id KAA00307 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:52:26 -0600 (CST) Received: (from gproxy@localhost) by tbone.agouron.com (8.9.1a/8.8.7) id IAA29518 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:52:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns3.agouron.com(10.0.7.236) via SMTP by tbone.agouron.com, id smtpdAAAa007D0; Thu Dec 10 08:52:22 1998 Received: from agouron.com (ray1.dhcp.agouron.com [10.0.6.192]) by dns3.agouron.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA25971 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:52:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ray ) Message-ID: <366FFC05.B4FA1DAA > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:51:17 -0800 From: Ray Ghanbari Organization: Agouron Pharmaceuticals Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Solar Quest FS/T References: <3.0.1.32.19981210043223.007edae0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > Anything else interesting in the pile Gaymond? Any more thoughts on the > Gravitar? As they say, "Shit!" Sorry about the inadvertent reply to the list folks. OB vector stuff: After having all my goodies bubble wrapped in boxes since March, I finally got shelving for the garage and started to unpack my goodies (starting with the vector boxes first of course ;-) Man, do I have a lot of boards. If any So Cal folks are looking to do a little browsing and help create room to unpack the rest of the boxes, let me know. I need to clear a path to the new BK 2000 that Gaymond was harsh enough to dangle in front of me ;-) Hope the season finds everyone well... Ray From ClayC Thu Dec 10 11:08:15 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id LAA01899 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:08:12 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA24532 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:08:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma024524; Thu, 10 Dec 98 09:07:44 -0800 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa00599; 10 Dec 98 9:07 PST Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:07:43 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Star Wars stray line on death star explosion Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:07:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > I have a monitor with the LV2000 installed, and just as the Death Star > explosion finishes and everything is returning to normal, the vectors > are all > "connected" for a brief moment to the center of the screen, then > everything > returns to normal. I suspect this has something to do with the HV > being taxed > during the explosion, and the swing back causes this brief syptom? > Could > someone explain to me technically why the monitor "blooms" during the > Death > Star explosion? > So if I recall correctly, part of the trick of the Death Star explosion is to raise the output on the color guns above "normal operating parameters" which causes the power supply to drag down a bit and in turn the HV loses some regulation and droops out causing the blooming and a slight de-focusing. If for some reason the color guns didn't cool off all the way I suppose even if they're blanked there could be enough residual current to energize the guns slightly and generate some "connected lines". I wonder if the LV2000 would have better regulation than the old LV supply and might not behave quite the same under the same circumstances? My monitor does the "stray line" thing too, although it's only about 1" long and curves somewhat at the end. It looks like a case where the color guns are still "on" when the monitor is busy trying to deflect to a new position. Once again, I suppose it could be the color-gun transistors taking longer than "normal" to turn off after being past 100% (design) brightness so the AVG blanking timing isn't quite right. The Death Star explosion is probably about as tough of display as the AVG chip is likely to have to produce. (I think Neil Bradley told me it's in the 4000+ vector range.) It's possible that there's an "obi-wan" (off-by-one) error in the display list that's actually a stray vector going off somewhere too. (probably not though-- I'd chalk it up to older transistors drifting slightly out of spec and making "different" things happen.) An interesting experiment would be to keep everything else the same but just swap neck-boards on the monitor and see if the symptoms change at all. -Clay From JOE.MAGIERA Thu Dec 10 11:29:08 1998 Received: from portal2.ameritech.com (portal2.ameritech.com [144.160.5.70]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id LAA03838 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:29:07 -0600 (CST) From: JOE.MAGIERA Received: from il1.aosrdns.nbk2305.il.ameritech.com (il1.nbk2305.il.ameritech.com) by portal2.ameritech.com with SMTP id MAA28395 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:29:05 -0500 Received: from conversion.ILAIOI.AMERITECH.COM by ILAIOI.AMERITECH.COM (PMDF V5.1-10 #27063) id <01J5660KWRNK8X1XXU > for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:24:08 CST Received: from a1il.ameritech.com by ILAIOI.AMERITECH.COM (PMDF V5.1-10 #27063) id <01J5660KOLT08X1XQK > for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:24:07 -0600 (CST) Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:19:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: UNIVID 1000? To: vectorlist , schieve Message-Id: <"A580ZXRQGAFEO*/R=A1/U=MAGIERA,JOE/"@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:24:00 -0600 (CST) Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: A580ZXRQGAFEO A1-Type: MAIL Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN While snooping around an op's warehouse, I came across a "Univid 1000 Video Test Kit". Anyone have any ideas how useful this might be? It basically looked like a box with two joy sticks and a lot of cables to plug in boards and/or a monitor. Does anyone know if it would handle vector stuff or only raster? Any info would be appreciated. What would be a reasonable price? Thanks, Joe joe.magiera From mike_ranger Thu Dec 10 11:59:21 1998 Received: from firewall.dofasco.ca (firewall-user@firewall.dofasco.ca [192.139.152.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id LAA07186 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:59:20 -0600 (CST) From: mike_ranger Received: by firewall.dofasco.ca; id NAA13072; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from usenet.dofasco.ca(142.153.128.178) by firewall.dofasco.ca via smap (4.1) id xma012835; Thu, 10 Dec 98 13:05:56 -0500 Received: from msxhub1.dofasco.ca by PCSDAS.DOFASCO.CA (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:50:56 EST Received: by MSXHUB1.dofasco.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:55:48 -0500 Message-ID: <171626CE171CD2118C640000F86326340287CA85@DFSPO04.dofasco.ca> To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: UNIVID 1000? Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:55:46 -0500 Sensitivity: Company-Confidential MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Joe.. If I recall correctly, someone had posted a link to a scan of the flyer. I thought it was in the GAMEARCHIVE, but was unable to find it. Runs in my mind that vectors are out for this beast. oh...Oh...Deja news jut gave me the spot... http://www.nwfl.net/haynesdl/requests/univid-1000-tester.jpg Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE.MAGIERA ] > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 12:19 PM > To: vectorlist ; > schieve > Subject: UNIVID 1000? > Sensitivity: Confidential > > While snooping around an op's warehouse, I came across a "Univid 1000 > Video Test Kit". Anyone have any ideas how useful this might be? It > basically looked like a box with two joy sticks and a lot of cables to > plug in boards and/or a monitor. Does anyone know if it would handle > vector stuff or only raster? Any info would be appreciated. What would > be a reasonable price? > > Thanks, > > Joe > > joe.magiera From aek Thu Dec 10 12:09:18 1998 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id MAA08251 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:09:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (351 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:09:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:09:39 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: UNIVID 1000? Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN do a dejanews search for univid. there was just a discussion about it on RGVAC about a month ago. Dave Haynes scanned in a flyer for it http://www.nwfl.net/haynesdl/requests/univid-1000-tester-jpg From anders_knudsen Thu Dec 10 13:30:19 1998 Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic.adaptec.com [208.236.45.80]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id NAA23715 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:30:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from kingdom.adaptec.com (kingdom [162.62.162.10]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17637 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:29:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from btc.btc.adaptec.com (btc.btc.adaptec.com [162.62.64.6]) by kingdom.adaptec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA20011 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:29:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from viking.btc.adaptec.com (viking.btc.adaptec.com [162.62.146.69]) by btc.btc.adaptec.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA21131 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:29:12 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.19981210122930.009f1390 > X-Sender: andersk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:30:43 -0700 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Anders Knudsen Subject: Re: UNIVID 1000? In-Reply-To: <"A580ZXRQGAFEO*/R=A1/U=MAGIERA,JOE/"@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN At 11:19 AM 12/10/98 -0600, you wrote: >While snooping around an op's warehouse, I came across a "Univid 1000 >Video Test Kit". Anyone have any ideas how useful this might be? It >basically looked like a box with two joy sticks and a lot of cables to >plug in boards and/or a monitor. Does anyone know if it would handle >vector stuff or only raster? Any info would be appreciated. What would >be a reasonable price? Jeff Hendrix has one of these. It seems pretty cool. It's useful for debuggin raster PCBs. Does not do vector stuff unfortunately. -anders. From zonn Thu Dec 10 13:55:48 1998 Received: from relay.pair.com (relay1.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id NAA26669 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:55:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from shad.isidesign.com (shad.isidesign.com [205.230.20.115]) by relay.pair.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA19551 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:48:23 -0500 (EST) From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Star Wars stray line on death star explosion Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:26:16 GMT Message-ID: <36711c25.88342308 > References: <19981210160827.22905.qmail@www0t.netaddress.usa.net> <9812101044.ZM14526@calcite> In-Reply-To: <9812101044.ZM14526@calcite> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id NAA26670 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:44:47 -0600 (CST), Mark Jenison wrote: >Could >someone explain to me technically why the monitor "blooms" during the Death >Star explosion? That one I can explain. The low voltage regulators used to supply voltage to the HV section (the 7824 and 7924's in the Amplifone) can not handle the current needed to run the HV section, when that many vectors are drawn. That many electrons hitting the screen requires more High Voltage current which in turns requires MUCH more low voltage current (Amps * Volts = Watts, less Volts, more Amps, etc.) Since the regulators shut down at around 1.5 amps, and the explosion apparently requires more than this, there's a problem. Since not enough current is being supplied, the proper HV cannot be maintained, and as you know from other problems you might have encountered in the HV section of a monitor, as the voltage drops the picture blooms. The Atari "Fix" for this was to place a couple of resisters across the regulators. (50 ohm? I forget the value..) When the regulators go into current shut down at around 1.5 amps, these resistor act to bypass the regulator and thereby supply more current to the HV section at the time of the explosion. This can help, but all regulation is lost so the picture is still going to bloom and shrink in direct relation to the number of vectors drawn. A design like the LV2000 where the current capabilities of the regulators are amplified using a couple of high current pass transistors, should compensate for this. Though I remember someone trying this and it didn't work too well. It could be that even given an infinite amount of current at it's input, the HV section itself may not be able to supply the current needed for a Death Star explosion, without itself being beefed up a bit. May guess is Atari engineers said "Check it out, when the explosion happens the monitor is all over the place! Cool! An added 'Feature!'" After all, nobody expects everything to operate perfectly smooth during the destruction of an entire Death Star! Talk about an electro-magnetic pulse! -Zonn <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn -------| // \\/ From MKDUD Thu Dec 10 23:33:35 1998 Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id XAA10506 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:33:33 -0600 (CST) From: MKDUD Received: from MKDUD by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id ADDTa28831 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:23:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9050589.3670ac6c > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:23:56 EST To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Star Wars stray line on death star explosion Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In a message dated 12/10/98 11:22:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, jaydoubleu@usa.net writes: << I have a Star Wars upright that seems to work fine in all respects except when the death star explodes. As the concentric circles are being drawn, a bright blue line will be drawn from the center out. It draws at an angle 45 degress right of vertical. I have tried turning the brightness down ('screen' pot), but with no success. Any ideas? The game (seems) to pass all tests. On the linear scale test, when to box reaches the center and disappears, a green line along the same trajectory as that blue line is drawn. >> Sounds like mathbox troubles to me. You might want to check your sockets for your mathbox proms, too - they can sometimes cause the problem when the proms are OK... From jrr Sun Dec 13 01:14:39 1998 Received: from penelope.aktom.com (smtp.aktom.com [207.219.208.2] (may be forged)) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id BAA11954 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:14:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from cr689357-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com (cr689357-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.14.85]) by penelope.flippers.com (NTMail 3.03.0012/4c.abyd) with ESMTP id qa107656 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 23:23:49 +0000 Message-ID: <3673690A.B51D3BF7 > Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 23:13:15 -0800 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Is there a problem with posting the vectorlist? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I was wondering if there is any problem posting the vectorlist address on another maillist...arcade game list. I mentioned the existance and a few are interested...can't imagine any problem, but...I haven't read the charter in a while.. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From kmahan Sun Dec 13 01:30:21 1998 Received: from xmission.xmission.com (kmahan [198.60.22.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id BAA18125 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:30:19 -0600 (CST) Received: (from kmahan (8.8.8/8.7.5) id AAA13119 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:30:16 -0700 (MST) From: Kurt Mahan Message-Id: <199812130730.AAA13119 > Subject: Re: Is there a problem with posting the vectorlist? To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:30:14 -0700 (MST) In-Reply-To: <3673690A.B51D3BF7 > from "John Robertson" at Dec 12, 98 11:13:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > I was wondering if there is any problem posting the vectorlist address > on another maillist...arcade game list. I mentioned the existance and a > few are interested...can't imagine any problem, but...I haven't read the > charter in a while.. The only problem I see is that based on the last couple of weeks on the arcade list its starting to turn into rgvac.. Kurt From jrr Sun Dec 13 01:53:39 1998 Received: from penelope.aktom.com (smtp.aktom.com [207.219.208.2] (may be forged)) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id BAA19500 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:53:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from cr689357-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com (cr689357-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.14.85]) by penelope.flippers.com (NTMail 3.03.0012/4c.abyd) with ESMTP id ua107660 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:03:09 +0000 Message-ID: <3673723E.B95FF958 > Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 23:52:30 -0800 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Is there a problem with posting the vectorlist? References: <199812130730.AAA13119 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Yeah I know what you mean, perhaps I'll just email the interested parties... John :-#)# Kurt Mahan wrote: > > > I was wondering if there is any problem posting the vectorlist address > > on another maillist...arcade game list. I mentioned the existance and a > > few are interested...can't imagine any problem, but...I haven't read the > > charter in a while.. > > The only problem I see is that based on the last couple of weeks on the > arcade list its starting to turn into rgvac.. > > Kurt -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From matt Wed Dec 16 01:45:21 1998 Received: from admin.veriosc.com (admin.veriosc.com [192.215.246.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id BAA21160 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 01:45:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by admin.veriosc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA25621 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:45:31 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.veriosc.com: matt owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:45:31 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California X-Sender: matt@admin To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: One other G08 Monitor question In-Reply-To: <9811110909.ZM29005@calcite> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Well - I've actually got this thing completely fixed and looking pretty good. I'm just doing some fine adjustments to it. My question is this.... On my Space Fury - I put the game into service mode where it will draw you a rectangle with three colored stripes in the center to adjust centering, convergence purity, etc. Well, my rectangle looks more like a trapezoid. My suspicion is - someone at the factory got lazy when adjusting the deflection yoke and didn't put the wedges in with the exact same preciseness that I would have if I was doing it. So I guess I might have to pull the wedges off and do the adjusting myself. I've done this with several other monitors and it's a big pain. Anyway - the question is - could there be anything else that is causing the picture to pull to the right? It's not so noticeable during game play except that some of the convergence goes out in the corners (Which bugs me of course). Thanks Matt From jhendrix Wed Dec 16 14:07:34 1998 Received: from mailhost.quark.com ([206.195.78.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id OAA29647 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:07:32 -0600 (CST) Received: from denver.quark.com (denver.quark.com [206.195.71.192]) by mailhost.quark.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA15397 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:07:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by denver.quark.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:05:06 -0700 Message-ID: <3D62AB6FFC80D211A84700104B10CB2C4B85E2 > From: jeff hendrix To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: Monitors Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:05:05 -0700 Sensitivity: Company-Confidential MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I know this is the vector list, but it seems like everybody here works on a raster game every now and then. Anyways, is anybody interested in buying a computer monitor to test your raster games on? I've got a lead on a bunch at a good price, and based on the response, I'll ask the guy if it's ok for me to put his email address up here. -jeff From ClayC Wed Dec 16 16:06:39 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id QAA09285 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:06:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA09013 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma009008; Wed, 16 Dec 98 14:06:05 -0800 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa16510; 16 Dec 98 14:06 PST Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:06:04 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: One other G08 Monitor question Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:05:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > Anyway - the question is - could there be anything else that is > causing > the picture to pull to the right? It's not so noticeable during game > play > except that some of the convergence goes out in the corners (Which > bugs me > of course). > Like you suspect, alignment of the yoke on the neck would tend to do that. My first Star Trek upright never would really converge properly. I never got up the nerve to completely take it apart and work on it, but no amount of tinkering with the yoke and rings seemed to be able to fix the edge convergence. (Particularly in the sector map area.) Completely removing the yoke and redoing it would have probably done the trick (could have been the distance of the yoke down the neck that was causing the problem, so all my tilting and turning wouldn't have affected that... -Clay From miranda Wed Dec 16 18:17:02 1998 Received: from mail.angel.com ([198.133.210.5]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id SAA03851 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:17:01 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:16:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Miranda K. Collins" To: vectorlist Subject: Vector items for sale on eBay Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi all, I have to sell most of my vector stuff, and I have decided to go through eBay. Here are links to the things I am currently parting with... Major Havoc PCB: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=49805051 Major Havoc control panel (Tempest): http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=49803550 Major Havoc marquee (Space Duel conversion): http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=49795661 I feel shamefully greedy putting everything on eBay rather than offering it here to other vector enthusiasts at fixed prices first...but I am massively in debt and I need to dig my way out!!! So please don't be too hard on me! I tried to keep the starting bids reasonable, I think. (At least they are much less than I paid for them) Also something that will most likely be of interest that I WILL mention here first...I will be selling my Space Duel cocktail. Of course I also need as much as I can get of this (my most valuable vector possesion I'm sure) but I don't know how to ship such a thing, (and I don't really want to learn) so if someone wants to make me a really good offer and either pick it up or arrange to take care of shipping themselves (I am in North San Diego) I will be very happy to sell it here on the vectorlist instead. The game is in really good condition, but somewhere along the line the original glass didn't make it (it was that way when I got it) so it has black-painted glass instead. The game itself is 100% working and the WG monitor is also working great and has no indications of needing attention any time soon. Thanks! - Miranda miranda _ And as we lay, we kissed _______ ___ Fingers wet with poison _____ _____ Thinking to each one ___ _______ There is beauty in death _ ___________________________________ Moonspell/Irreligious/Ruin & Misery From rlboots@cedar-rapids.net Thu Dec 17 01:32:49 1998 Received: from CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id BAA08645 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:32:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from cedar-rapids.net ([209.181.207.205]) by CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET with ESMTP (IPAD 2.08/64) id 6085200 ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:23:13 -0600 Message-ID: <3678B39B.57753553@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:32:43 -0600 From: Rodger Boots X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California Subject: Re: One other G08 Monitor question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN If you are talking convergence, adjusting the yoke can help. If what you have is a problem called "keystoning", though, the problem is likely to be a shorted winding in the yoke. This would look like the top width being smaller than the bottom (or a similar effect from any edge to the opposite edge). Since it's this particular monitor it could also be caused by the deflection IC, it looks like they are doing pincushion correction with that IC. Since a DC offset somewhere could be compensated for with the centering pots (but couldn't be compensated for as far as pincushion correction goes), I'd be checking for any DC problems. Are the +9.1 and -9.1 volt supplies within their 5% tolerance (no more than .455 volts off)? If you look at the X and Y drives from the game board do they appear to have zero offset? (That's a little tricky to test---feed both into a scope in XY mode and adjust scope gains/centering for a good picture. Then set the scope inputs to ground and make sure the dot is centered. Turn the scope inputs back on and look for the picture to be offset in any direction. If it is, the board can be the problem. If it looks OK the monitor is the problem). Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California wrote: > Well - I've actually got this thing completely fixed and looking pretty > good. I'm just doing some fine adjustments to it. My question is this.... > > On my Space Fury - I put the game into service mode where it will draw you > a rectangle with three colored stripes in the center to adjust centering, > convergence purity, etc. Well, my rectangle looks more like a trapezoid. > My suspicion is - someone at the factory got lazy when adjusting the > deflection yoke and didn't put the wedges in with the exact same preciseness > that I would have if I was doing it. So I guess I might have to pull the > wedges off and do the adjusting myself. I've done this with several other > monitors and it's a big pain. > > Anyway - the question is - could there be anything else that is causing > the picture to pull to the right? It's not so noticeable during game play > except that some of the convergence goes out in the corners (Which bugs me > of course). > > Thanks > > Matt From matt Thu Dec 17 04:33:20 1998 Received: from admin.veriosc.com (admin.veriosc.com [192.215.246.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id EAA21909 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:33:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by admin.veriosc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA28252 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:33:31 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.veriosc.com: matt owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:33:31 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California X-Sender: matt@admin To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: One other G08 Monitor question In-Reply-To: <3678B39B.57753553@cedar-rapids.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN OK - it looks to me like the x or y axis is not offset on the scope - but let me ask if I'm setting this up right. Do I connect channel 1 probe onto pin 1 (x) of the xy timing board and channel 2 probe onto pin 4 (y) of the xy timing board? And then set the oscilliscope onto xy mode? I was sort of hoping it was possible to watch my game on the oscilliscope. Maybe even play one or two rounds :) Seriously - learning this will really help me with other xy games I'm working on - so thanks for the input. Matt > If you look at the X and Y drives from the game board > do they appear to have zero offset? (That's a little tricky > to test---feed both into a scope in XY mode and adjust > scope gains/centering for a good picture. Then set the > scope inputs to ground and make sure the dot is centered. > Turn the scope inputs back on and look for the picture to > be offset in any direction. If it is, the board can be the > problem. If it looks OK the monitor is the problem). > > > Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California wrote: > > > Well - I've actually got this thing completely fixed and looking pretty > > good. I'm just doing some fine adjustments to it. My question is this.... > > > > On my Space Fury - I put the game into service mode where it will draw you > > a rectangle with three colored stripes in the center to adjust centering, > > convergence purity, etc. Well, my rectangle looks more like a trapezoid. > > My suspicion is - someone at the factory got lazy when adjusting the > > deflection yoke and didn't put the wedges in with the exact same preciseness > > that I would have if I was doing it. So I guess I might have to pull the > > wedges off and do the adjusting myself. I've done this with several other > > monitors and it's a big pain. > > > > Anyway - the question is - could there be anything else that is causing > > the picture to pull to the right? It's not so noticeable during game play > > except that some of the convergence goes out in the corners (Which bugs me > > of course). > > > > Thanks > > > > Matt > > > From rlboots@cedar-rapids.net Thu Dec 17 05:37:15 1998 Received: from CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id FAA03008 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:37:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from cedar-rapids.net ([209.181.207.205]) by CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET with ESMTP (IPAD 2.08/64) id 6109200 ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:27:39 -0600 Message-ID: <3678ECE7.16BE8709@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:37:11 -0600 From: Rodger Boots X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California Subject: Re: One other G08 Monitor question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California wrote: > OK - it looks to me like the x or y axis is not offset on the scope - but > let me ask if I'm setting this up right. Do I connect channel 1 probe > onto pin 1 (x) of the xy timing board and channel 2 probe onto pin 4 (y) > of the xy timing board? And then set the oscilliscope onto xy mode? I > was sort of hoping it was possible to watch my game on the oscilliscope. > Maybe even play one or two rounds :) > > Seriously - learning this will really help me with other xy games I'm > working on - so thanks for the input. > I don't know pinouts, but it sounds like you have the settingsright. When connected and the scope put into XY mode you should see the game running PLUS a LOT of extra lines and probably a VERY bright dot in the center of the scope screen. What you'll probably want to look at is that test pattern that originally had you wondering if there was a problem. All the extra stuff that you see on the scope is blanked on the monitor by the video signals. You could run one of the video signals into the Z-axis (brightness) input on the back of the scope (if it has one), but it isn't worth the trouble. > Matt > > > If you look at the X and Y drives from the game board > > do they appear to have zero offset? (That's a little tricky > > to test---feed both into a scope in XY mode and adjust > > scope gains/centering for a good picture. Then set the > > scope inputs to ground and make sure the dot is centered. > > Turn the scope inputs back on and look for the picture to > > be offset in any direction. If it is, the board can be the > > problem. If it looks OK the monitor is the problem). > > > > > > Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California wrote: > > > > > Well - I've actually got this thing completely fixed and looking pretty > > > good. I'm just doing some fine adjustments to it. My question is this.... > > > > > > On my Space Fury - I put the game into service mode where it will draw you > > > a rectangle with three colored stripes in the center to adjust centering, > > > convergence purity, etc. Well, my rectangle looks more like a trapezoid. > > > My suspicion is - someone at the factory got lazy when adjusting the > > > deflection yoke and didn't put the wedges in with the exact same preciseness > > > that I would have if I was doing it. So I guess I might have to pull the > > > wedges off and do the adjusting myself. I've done this with several other > > > monitors and it's a big pain. > > > > > > Anyway - the question is - could there be anything else that is causing > > > the picture to pull to the right? It's not so noticeable during game play > > > except that some of the convergence goes out in the corners (Which bugs me > > > of course). > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > From joel-r Thu Dec 17 10:15:46 1998 Received: from atlrel2.hp.com (atlrel2.hp.com [156.153.255.202]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id KAA01703 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:15:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from hpanr0.an.hp.com (hpanr0.an.hp.com [15.4.147.21]) by atlrel2.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with SMTP id LAA16909 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from hpanzzaw.an.hp.com by hpanr0.an.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.8/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA17245; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:15:26 -0500 Message-Id: <36792EB1.77743325 > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:17:53 -0500 From: Joel Rosenzweig Organization: Hewlett Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: One other G08 Monitor question References: <3678ECE7.16BE8709@cedar-rapids.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > Ahh, the memories.. When I was in grad school, the days before I owned a vector > monitor and felt that the prospects of finding a color vector display were slim to > none, I ran Star Wars exactly like this on my bench top scope. I used a 3 input NOR > gate to control the z-axis, and that worked really well. The only problem was that > the screen was barely 3x3 inches, and it was in monochrome. Doh! > Joel- > > I don't know pinouts, but it sounds like you have the settingsright. When connected > and the scope put into XY mode you > should see the game running PLUS a LOT of extra lines and > probably a VERY bright dot in the center of the scope screen. > What you'll probably want to look at is that test pattern that > originally had you wondering if there was a problem. > > All the extra stuff that you see on the scope is blanked on the > monitor by the video signals. You could run one of the video > signals into the Z-axis (brightness) input on the back of the > scope (if it has one), but it isn't worth the trouble. From miranda Thu Dec 17 15:33:01 1998 Received: from mail.angel.com ([198.133.210.5]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id PAA14778 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:33:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:31:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Miranda K. Collins" To: vectorlist Subject: Gravitar Version 3 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi all, I have a Gravitar board here with what are apparently version 3 ROMs. Everything I have seen or read says nothing about a version 3, including Jess Askey's site. Is there some significance to these ROMs? Here is a picture: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/7181/version3.jpg - Miranda miranda _ And as we lay, we kissed _______ ___ Fingers wet with poison _____ _____ Thinking to each one ___ _______ There is beauty in death _ ___________________________________ Moonspell/Irreligious/Ruin & Misery From steve.ozdemir Thu Dec 17 15:50:59 1998 Received: from granite.plpt.com (granite.plpt.com [199.181.238.77]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id PAA17522 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:50:58 -0600 (CST) Received: by granite.plpt.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:50:41 -0800 Message-ID: <0D7E878509BED111BEAC00A0C9A3CA60183A8C > From: "Ozdemir, Steve" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: End of the year summary? Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:50:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN G'day folks, A couple years ago, Mark Jenison did a nice job of sumarizing all the new discoveries of that past year. Before we slide into the Xmas week, is anyone game for doing this again? Steve Ozdemir sso ps - Obviously, I'd rather see a vector bias to the summary...."If it ain't vector, then why bother?", is my motto. From aek Thu Dec 17 16:02:34 1998 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id QAA18904 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:02:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (298 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:02:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:02:57 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: End of the year summary? Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN The 'year in review' thread started yesterday on RGVAC. I guess there was one thing I forgot to mention; the 'bronzeage revival' :-) From jhendrix Thu Dec 17 16:11:35 1998 Received: from mailhost.quark.com ([206.195.78.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id QAA20201 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:11:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from denver.quark.com (denver.quark.com [206.195.71.192]) by mailhost.quark.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05093 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:11:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by denver.quark.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:09:00 -0700 Message-ID: <3D62AB6FFC80D211A84700104B10CB2C4B85EC > From: jeff hendrix To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: New Vector Games Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:08:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I'm in the process of writing new games (with some help from Anders) for atari hardware. Once I get all my tools built, we should be able crank out a game pretty fast. There are a couple of games that we are currently working on and are open to any other ideas people might have. We are currently building 2 player games that will run on a space duel. If we do any single player games, all I have to do is change a compile flag and it will run on a gravitar. I also might make games for tempest hardware. And there is a slight possibility I might port some of these to Asteroids (deluxe) hardware. (I'm writing my routines as generic as possible so they can be moved to different hardware) So if anybody has any suggestions of what kind of vector games they would like to see, please send them to me. -jeff jeffh Buy/Sell/Trade classic video arcade games www.diac.com/~jeffh/ From jess Thu Dec 17 16:12:23 1998 Received: from roper.uwyo.edu (pmdf@roper.uwyo.edu [129.72.10.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id QAA20346 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:12:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from asuwlink.uwyo.edu by ROPER.UWYO.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #D3374) with ESMTP id <0F44002S9QYBX3@ROPER.UWYO.EDU> for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from glitter-dial (ras8737.uwyo.edu [129.72.87.37]) by asuwlink.uwyo.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA17809 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:10:58 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:12:48 -0700 From: "Jess Askey (Currently At Work)" Subject: Re: Gravitar Version 3 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-id: <367981E0.18C8 > MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Miranda K. Collins wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have a Gravitar board here with what are apparently version 3 ROMs. > Everything I have seen or read says nothing about a version 3, including > Jess Askey's site. Is there some significance to these ROMs? > Here is a picture: > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/7181/version3.jpg Hmmm, thats interesting. I wonder what the differences are. Do you happen to have an EPROM burner? You are right tho, I have never heard of a version 3 for Gravitar. Anyone else ever seen these? jess From aek Thu Dec 17 16:25:31 1998 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id QAA22271 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:25:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (707 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:25:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:25:54 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: New Vector Games R