From matt Mon Feb 1 20:12:11 1999 Received: from admin.veriosc.com (admin.veriosc.com [192.215.246.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id UAA07050 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:12:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by admin.veriosc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA23582 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:12:09 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.veriosc.com: matt owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:12:09 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California X-Sender: matt@admin To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Searching for a game Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Does anyone know where I can find a Stratovox? It's on my "want to buy next" list. Not easy to find I guess. I know it's not a vector game so - to be official - I'll make one vector-game comment. I just got a Star Wars over the weekend. Just need to fix one scratch on the side and put it together since I'm getting it disassembled. If anyone knows where to find a Stratovox let me know. Thanks... Matt From downin@smarty.smart.net Tue Feb 2 12:03:13 1999 Received: from smarty.smart.net (smarty.smart.net [206.27.242.102]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id MAA02710 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:03:12 -0600 (CST) Received: (from downin@localhost) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA05374 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:03:03 -0500 From: Dave Downin Message-Id: <199902021803.NAA05374@smarty.smart.net> Subject: Tempest Problems... To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (vectorlist) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:03:02 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Greetings, I've been having a problem getting my Tempest machine working properly. I have installed a new picture tube (from Richardson), a LV2000, and a "get well kit" on the monitor. It looked pretty good after I first fired it up...just needed to re-converge and set the purity on it. So I went to make the adjustments and blew some stuff up. I missed the ground wire to the HV cage (that should have been screwed to the chasis) and it apparently brushed up against something. I know because it took C901 & 902... I replaced them and have gone over the HV cage, and the deflection board checking all the transistors (the chasis mount ones too) and diodes. So, I think the monitor is not my problem now...although I haven't COMPLETELY ruled it out. Oh yeah, I also noticed that R106 had opened up on the deflection board so I replaced it as well. What I'm seeing is that all the text is now slanted and the bottom and top of the screen is somewhat bowed. I've got screenshots of all the test screens, as well as the playfield, and some scope readings I took on the game board outputs (on the test screen with the plain white border). The screenshots are at: http://www.smart.net/~downin/tempest/ I retouched all the solder joints on both the interboard connectors and on all the caps in the AVG section. Unfortunantly I don't own a spare monitor or boardset for the machine, so I can't swap anything out. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! -- Dave Downin (dave@arlo.net) ============================================================================= "Sorry, the world is nuts. It can't be helped" - Arlo Guthrie ArloNet - http://www.arlo.net/ ============================================================================= Any commercial e-mail sent to any of the above accounts will be automatically rejected and subject to a $500 processing fee. From chris Tue Feb 2 12:41:30 1999 Received: from westnet.com (chris [206.24.6.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id MAA06945 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:41:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by westnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05108 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:41:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:41:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist Subject: Re: Tempest Problems... In-Reply-To: <199902021803.NAA05374@smarty.smart.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Dave Downin wrote: > the caps in the AVG section. Unfortunantly I don't own a spare monitor or > boardset for the machine, so I can't swap anything out. Any ideas or > suggestions would be greatly appreciated! If your scope has an X/Y mode, you do have a spare monitor. Just hook the leads to the X and Y outputs, and set it up as XY. Instant vector monitor ! -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From downin@smarty.smart.net Tue Feb 2 12:52:20 1999 Received: from smarty.smart.net (smarty.smart.net [206.27.242.102]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id MAA07951 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:52:19 -0600 (CST) Received: (from downin@localhost) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA11687 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:52:18 -0500 From: Dave Downin Message-Id: <199902021852.NAA11687@smarty.smart.net> Subject: Re: Tempest Problems... To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:52:18 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Christopher X. Candreva" at Feb 2, 99 01:41:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > From: "Christopher X. Candreva" > > If your scope has an X/Y mode, you do have a spare monitor. Just hook the > leads to the X and Y outputs, and set it up as XY. Instant vector monitor ! Unfortunantly it doesn't... -- Dave Downin (dave@arlo.net) ============================================================================= "Sorry, the world is nuts. It can't be helped" - Arlo Guthrie ArloNet - http://www.arlo.net/ ============================================================================= Any commercial e-mail sent to any of the above accounts will be automatically rejected and subject to a $500 processing fee. From rlboots@cedar-rapids.net Tue Feb 2 14:08:40 1999 Received: from CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id OAA24484 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:08:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from cedar-rapids.net ([209.181.207.205]) by CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET with ESMTP (IPAD 2.08/64) id 5578500 ; Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:01:07 -0600 Message-ID: <36B75B4C.3561BF2C@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:08:44 -0600 From: Rodger Boots X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, Dave Downin Subject: Re: Tempest Problems... References: <199902021803.NAA05374@smarty.smart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Take a look at the outputs of the voltage regulators on the deflection board and see if they aren't changing voltage with load (or just plain not at the right voltage to start with). Dave Downin wrote: > Greetings, > > I've been having a problem getting my Tempest machine working properly. I > have installed a new picture tube (from Richardson), a LV2000, and a "get well > kit" on the monitor. It looked pretty good after I first fired it up...just > needed to re-converge and set the purity on it. So I went to make the > adjustments and blew some stuff up. I missed the ground wire to the HV cage > (that should have been screwed to the chasis) and it apparently brushed up > against something. I know because it took C901 & 902... I replaced them and > have gone over the HV cage, and the deflection board checking all the > transistors (the chasis mount ones too) and diodes. So, I think the monitor > is not my problem now...although I haven't COMPLETELY ruled it out. Oh yeah, > I also noticed that R106 had opened up on the deflection board so I replaced > it as well. > > What I'm seeing is that all the text is now slanted and the bottom and top of > the screen is somewhat bowed. I've got screenshots of all the test screens, > as well as the playfield, and some scope readings I took on the game board > outputs (on the test screen with the plain white border). The screenshots are > at: > > http://www.smart.net/~downin/tempest/ > > I retouched all the solder joints on both the interboard connectors and on all > the caps in the AVG section. Unfortunantly I don't own a spare monitor or > boardset for the machine, so I can't swap anything out. Any ideas or > suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > > -- > Dave Downin (dave@arlo.net) > ============================================================================= > "Sorry, the world is nuts. It can't be helped" - Arlo Guthrie > ArloNet - http://www.arlo.net/ > ============================================================================= > Any commercial e-mail sent to any of the above accounts will be automatically > rejected and subject to a $500 processing fee. From jrr Tue Feb 2 14:09:57 1999 Received: from penelope.aktom.com (smtp.aktom.com [207.219.208.2] (may be forged)) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id OAA24627 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:09:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from nvcr01m01-10.bctel.ca (nvcr01m01-10.bctel.ca [207.194.20.10]) by penelope.flippers.com (NTMail 3.03.0012/4c.abyd) with ESMTP id ra186619 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:19:46 +0000 Message-ID: <36B75B58.DEC5A0AA > Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 12:08:56 -0800 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Tempest Problems... References: <199902021852.NAA11687@smarty.smart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Check the surplus stores for old Heathkit, Eico or B&K 100 khz scopes. These make good XY scopes, a bit fuzzy but work fine. Usually quite cheap too. John :-#)# Dave Downin wrote: > > > From: "Christopher X. Candreva" > > > > If your scope has an X/Y mode, you do have a spare monitor. Just hook the > > leads to the X and Y outputs, and set it up as XY. Instant vector monitor ! > > Unfortunantly it doesn't... > > -- > Dave Downin (dave@arlo.net) > ============================================================================= > "Sorry, the world is nuts. It can't be helped" - Arlo Guthrie > ArloNet - http://www.arlo.net/ > ============================================================================= > Any commercial e-mail sent to any of the above accounts will be automatically > rejected and subject to a $500 processing fee. -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From fishd@tiac.net Tue Feb 2 16:17:38 1999 Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id QAA12689 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:17:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail-out-2.tiac.net (mail-out-2.tiac.net [199.0.65.13]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA32252 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:17:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fishd@tiac.net) Received: from fishd (p94.block2.tc1.state.MA.tiac.com [206.119.246.95]) by mail-out-2.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA28313 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:20:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fishd@tiac.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990202171753.3d2ffe1c@pop.tiac.net> X-Sender: fishd@pop.tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 17:17:53 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: fishd Subject: Trade: Major Havoc PCB for Fluke 9000 Z80 Pod Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Folks, Here's an offer that I hope will make somebody sit up and take notice. I'm looking for a Fluke 9000A-Z80QT Interface Pod and I'm willing to trade a working Major Havoc board for it. If you've got one to trade e-mail me. David Fish | "We want...Information. INFORMATION Melrose, MA USA | You won't get it! fishd@tiac.net | By hook or by crook we will" dfish | _The Prisoner_ From shostak@fastlane.net Tue Feb 2 17:05:09 1999 Received: from fastlane.net (fastlane.net [209.197.224.10]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id RAA18239 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:05:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from dallas.tx.tnt1.33.fastlane.net (dallas.tx.tnt1.144.fastlane.net [209.197.225.144]) by fastlane.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA15612 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:05:10 -0600 (CST) Received: by dallas.tx.tnt1.33.fastlane.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BE4ECD.F420B900@dallas.tx.tnt1.33.fastlane.net>; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:03:28 -0600 Message-ID: <01BE4ECD.F420B900@dallas.tx.tnt1.33.fastlane.net> From: Mark Shostak To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Exidy Vertigo board pictures Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:03:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BE4ECD.F420B900" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE4ECD.F420B900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "I've put pictures up of the CPU and Audio boards up on..." Does this mean you tracked down another board set (with ROMs)? 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But I just got a z80 pod *with Manual* from www.naptech.com for only $125. They even give you a nice mouse pad for free. I also got a 6502 pod for $125 with manual and will eventually get a 6809 pod from them. They should still have some left. Matt _____________________________________________________________________ On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, fishd wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Here's an offer that I hope will make somebody sit up > and take notice. I'm looking for a Fluke 9000A-Z80QT > Interface Pod and I'm willing to trade a working > Major Havoc board for it. If you've got one to trade > e-mail me. > > > David Fish | "We want...Information. INFORMATION > Melrose, MA USA | You won't get it! > fishd@tiac.net | By hook or by crook we will" > dfish | _The Prisoner_ > > From aek Tue Feb 2 17:29:14 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id RAA27397 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:29:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (506 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:29:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:29:44 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Exidy Vertigo board pictures Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "Does this mean you tracked down another board set (with ROMs)? Possibly even working? " Yes, I found another board set late last year. I've dumped the prom set, and at least there are still bits in there (maybe even the right bits) It's going to take a bit of TLC to get it running again (as you can probably tell from the pictures). From aek Tue Feb 2 17:32:05 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id RAA29008 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:32:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (369 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:32:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:32:38 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Trade: Major Havoc PCB for Fluke 9000 Z80 Pod Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "But I just got a z80 pod *with Manual* from www.naptech.com for only $125." does the manual include schematics? -al (STILL waiting for the $(*%&^!^ 9010 I paid for in December :-<) From fishd@tiac.net Tue Feb 2 19:04:15 1999 Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id TAA10334 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:04:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail-out-2.tiac.net (mail-out-2.tiac.net [199.0.65.13]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20643 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:04:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fishd@tiac.net) Received: from fishd (p241.tc1.state.MA.tiac.com [207.60.61.242]) by mail-out-2.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA15081 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:06:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fishd@tiac.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990202200432.520f5df2@pop.tiac.net> X-Sender: fishd@pop.tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 20:04:32 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: fishd Subject: Re: Trade: Major Havoc PCB for Fluke 9000 Z80 Pod In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.16.19990202171753.3d2ffe1c@pop.tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN That's interesting! They quoted me a price of $200 for it a couple of weeks ago. And they're out now. How did you swing $125, was it some package deal? Dave At 03:18 PM 2/2/99 -0800, you wrote: >Well - I'd to spoil a good deal here. But I just got a z80 pod *with >Manual* from www.naptech.com for only $125. They even give you a nice >mouse pad for free. I also got a 6502 pod for $125 with manual and >will eventually get a 6809 pod from them. > > >They should still have some left. > > David Fish | "We want...Information. INFORMATION Melrose, MA USA | You won't get it! fishd@tiac.net | By hook or by crook we will" dfish | _The Prisoner_ From dshirk Tue Feb 2 19:07:49 1999 Received: from emailserver.redrose.net (mail.godfrey.com [208.157.105.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id TAA10760 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:07:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from denspc (ip65.lancaster3.pa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.163.65]) by emailserver.redrose.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id CLP622WZ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:06:29 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01be4f11$a26ad020$41a31a26@denspc> Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: "Dennis Shirk" To: Subject: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:07:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hello all, I thought I would try the list to see if anyone has any suggestions for me. I have a Star Wars with Clays ESB switchable kit installed. Superbowl evening, my brother-in-law was playing it and he switched from Star Wars to ESB. The sounds came up, but the video did not, so he switched it back to Star Wars and played some more. (he was doing this without turning the game off, I could have killed him) A couple games later, he switched it back to ESB, and it still did not display video, so he switched back to Star Wars, and now that was not displaying video either. Here are the symptons: 1. The game coins up, sound and all on both games with no video. 2. The monitor neck is glowing faintly, so at least the monitor is getting power. 3. The four fuses on the monitor board are intact, as well as all the main fuses. 4. There is no "vector noise" that you would normally hear from the monitor. 5. I checked all the connectors for anything obvious. 6. I checked all the boards for any loose chips, or anything blown (nothing I could see) Any tips or suggestions with where to go from here? Thanks much for any help. Dennis Shirk http://gameroom.godfrey.com From fishd@tiac.net Tue Feb 2 19:14:18 1999 Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id TAA11284 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:14:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21736 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:14:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fishd@tiac.net) Received: from fishd (p241.tc1.state.MA.tiac.com [207.60.61.242]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA07371 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:14:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fishd@tiac.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990202201435.520fc688@pop.tiac.net> X-Sender: fishd@pop.tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 20:14:35 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: fishd Subject: Re: Trade: Major Havoc PCB for Fluke 9000 Z80 Pod In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Al, I've got a copy of the manuals for the Z80, 6809 and 8085 pods. They have schematics, parts lists, everything. BTW, all the ICs in my 6502 pod have normal part numbers showing, no house numbers. I've got a scanner right here, what format is the best for you? BTW, I've accepted Mark Shostak's offer for the Major Havoc board trade, he was the first to respond. Dave At 03:32 PM 2/2/99 -0800, you wrote: >"But I just got a z80 pod *with >Manual* from www.naptech.com for only $125." > >does the manual include schematics? > >-al (STILL waiting for the $(*%&^!^ 9010 I paid for in December :-<) > > > David Fish | "We want...Information. INFORMATION Melrose, MA USA | You won't get it! fishd@tiac.net | By hook or by crook we will" dfish | _The Prisoner_ From downin@smarty.smart.net Tue Feb 2 19:34:57 1999 Received: from smarty.smart.net (smarty.smart.net [206.27.242.102]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id TAA13143 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:34:55 -0600 (CST) Received: (from downin@localhost) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA00843 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:34:45 -0500 From: Dave Downin Message-Id: <199902030134.UAA00843@smarty.smart.net> Subject: Re: Tempest Problems... To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:34:44 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <36B75B4C.3561BF2C@cedar-rapids.net> from "Rodger Boots" at Feb 2, 99 02:08:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > Take a look at the outputs of the voltage regulators > on the deflection board and see if they aren't > changing voltage with load (or just plain not at > the right voltage to start with). Nope, found a scope with XY inputs, and it's most definantly the game board! -- Dave Downin (dave@arlo.net) ============================================================================= "Sorry, the world is nuts. It can't be helped" - Arlo Guthrie ArloNet - http://www.arlo.net/ ============================================================================= Any commercial e-mail sent to any of the above accounts will be automatically rejected and subject to a $500 processing fee. From matt Tue Feb 2 22:10:59 1999 Received: from admin.veriosc.com (admin.veriosc.com [192.215.246.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id WAA11728 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:10:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by admin.veriosc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14581 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:10:48 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.veriosc.com: matt owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:10:48 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California X-Sender: matt@admin To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Trade: Major Havoc PCB for Fluke 9000 Z80 Pod In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19990202200432.520f5df2@pop.tiac.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I would call them back and refer them to their own website http://www.naptech.com/catCOMP1.htm. They advertise it as $125. That's what I got it for. If you look in Nuts-N-Volts you should find other vendors that sell it as well. Matt _____________________________________________________________________ On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, fishd wrote: > That's interesting! They quoted me a price of $200 for it > a couple of weeks ago. And they're out now. How did you > swing $125, was it some package deal? > > Dave > > At 03:18 PM 2/2/99 -0800, you wrote: > >Well - I'd to spoil a good deal here. But I just got a z80 pod *with > >Manual* from www.naptech.com for only $125. They even give you a nice > >mouse pad for free. I also got a 6502 pod for $125 with manual and > >will eventually get a 6809 pod from them. > > > > > >They should still have some left. > > > > > > David Fish | "We want...Information. INFORMATION > Melrose, MA USA | You won't get it! > fishd@tiac.net | By hook or by crook we will" > dfish | _The Prisoner_ > > From ClayC Wed Feb 3 05:10:54 1999 Received: from smtpmail.diamondmm.com (smtpmail.diamondmm.com [206.156.108.153]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id FAA15340 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 05:10:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from sjmail1.sj.diamondmm.com [206.156.108.105] by smtpmail.diamondmm.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.03) id A45F100A8; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 02:26:39 PST Received: by sjmail1.sj.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <11Q307RA>; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:44:12 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:46:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > A couple games later, he switched it back to ESB, and it still did not > display video, so he switched back to Star Wars, and now that was not > displaying video either. > For what it's worth, this is what killed my monitor when I was *first* working on the kits-- hence the warning about switching with the game on. Clay's techy idea on what can happen: I think you can switch and still have the code land in a segment that refreshes the watchdog, but the vector generator crashes. Max-deflection for very long = dead monitor. Someday I should probably redesign the kit to have the bank-selection switch go into a PAL and then have the PAL yank reset for a few clocks after the switch changes states. I'd want to *really* fix those nasty old 2212 NOVRAMs at the same time though by replacing it with some kind of EEPROM, so the project gets larger and I keep putting it off... -Clay From fishd@tiac.net Wed Feb 3 06:04:50 1999 Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id GAA22635 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:04:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA14209 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:04:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fishd@tiac.net) Received: from fishd (p174.tc2.state.MA.tiac.com [207.60.242.175]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA14994 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:04:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fishd@tiac.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990203070508.52971cfc@pop.tiac.net> X-Sender: fishd@pop.tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 07:05:08 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: fishd Subject: Re: Trade: Major Havoc PCB for Fluke 9000 Z80 Pod In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.16.19990202200432.520f5df2@pop.tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN At 08:10 PM 2/2/99 -0800, you wrote: >I would call them back and refer them to their own website >http://www.naptech.com/catCOMP1.htm. They advertise it as $125. That's >what I got it for. If you look in Nuts-N-Volts you should find other >vendors that sell it as well. > Oh Bugger! My bad. I was thinking of ASTGLOBAL when I was reading Naptech. Naptech didn't have any more working pods that I was interested in. David Fish | "We want...Information. INFORMATION Melrose, MA USA | You won't get it! fishd@tiac.net | By hook or by crook we will" dfish | _The Prisoner_ From dshirk Wed Feb 3 09:36:10 1999 Received: from emailserver.redrose.net (mail.godfrey.com [208.157.105.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id JAA11508 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:36:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from denspc (ip110.lancaster3.pa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.163.110]) by emailserver.redrose.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id CLP62JXW; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:34:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be4f8a$f26a81a0$6ea31a26@denspc> Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: "Dennis Shirk" To: Subject: Re: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:36:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN So this sounds familiar, huh? Doh! Would it be a good idea for me to start tracking down another 19" WG, or should I try to rule out possible other problems first? BTW, if it is the problem you mentioned below, would the whole monitor have to be replaced, or is that something that can be repaired? Thanks! Dennis Shirk http://gameroom.godfrey.com >For what it's worth, this is what killed my monitor when I was *first* >working on the kits-- hence the warning about switching with the game >on. > >Clay's techy idea on what can happen: > >I think you can switch and still have the code land in a segment that >refreshes the watchdog, but the vector generator crashes. >Max-deflection for very long = dead monitor. Someday I should probably >redesign the kit to have the bank-selection switch go into a PAL and >then have the PAL yank reset for a few clocks after the switch changes >states. I'd want to *really* fix those nasty old 2212 NOVRAMs at the >same time though by replacing it with some kind of EEPROM, so the >project gets larger and I keep putting it off... > >-Clay From fbowen Wed Feb 3 09:57:20 1999 Received: from balrelay.balt.checkfree.com ([207.196.74.140]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id JAA14151 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:57:19 -0600 (CST) Received: by balrelay.balt.checkfree.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525670D.00570FD1 ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:50:56 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CHECKFREE From: "Franklin Bowen" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-ID: <8525670D.00570E73.00 > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:58:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Does the two diodes attached to the X and two diodes attached to Y mod make you safe from this type of problem (described in Gregg Woodcock's XY FAQ)? I've been thinking about doing this for some time now because MH and SW base explosions and Tempest flying to the next level apparently cause a LOT of stress (I can HEAR it). "Dennis Shirk" on 02/03/99 10:36:18 AM Please respond to vectorlist To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu cc: (bcc: Franklin Bowen/MD/CheckFree) Subject: Re: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem So this sounds familiar, huh? Doh! Would it be a good idea for me to start tracking down another 19" WG, or should I try to rule out possible other problems first? BTW, if it is the problem you mentioned below, would the whole monitor have to be replaced, or is that something that can be repaired? Thanks! Dennis Shirk http://gameroom.godfrey.com >For what it's worth, this is what killed my monitor when I was *first* >working on the kits-- hence the warning about switching with the game >on. > >Clay's techy idea on what can happen: > >I think you can switch and still have the code land in a segment that >refreshes the watchdog, but the vector generator crashes. >Max-deflection for very long = dead monitor. Someday I should probably >redesign the kit to have the bank-selection switch go into a PAL and >then have the PAL yank reset for a few clocks after the switch changes >states. I'd want to *really* fix those nasty old 2212 NOVRAMs at the >same time though by replacing it with some kind of EEPROM, so the >project gets larger and I keep putting it off... > >-Clay From jrr Wed Feb 3 10:10:42 1999 Received: from penelope.aktom.com (smtp.aktom.com [207.219.208.2] (may be forged)) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id KAA15747 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:10:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from cr689357-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com (cr689357-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.14.85]) by penelope.flippers.com (NTMail 3.03.0012/4c.abyd) with ESMTP id ca186656 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:20:57 +0000 Message-ID: <36B874DE.8023CAAA > Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:10:06 -0800 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN What if the game change switch had a small circuit added that forced a reset that lasted X amount of time? A 555 timer could be kludged in pretty easily...or it could just pull the MPU reset down... John :-#)# Clay Cowgill wrote: > > > A couple games later, he switched it back to ESB, and it still did not > > display video, so he switched back to Star Wars, and now that was not > > displaying video either. > > > For what it's worth, this is what killed my monitor when I was *first* > working on the kits-- hence the warning about switching with the game > on. > > Clay's techy idea on what can happen: > > I think you can switch and still have the code land in a segment that > refreshes the watchdog, but the vector generator crashes. > Max-deflection for very long = dead monitor. Someday I should probably > redesign the kit to have the bank-selection switch go into a PAL and > then have the PAL yank reset for a few clocks after the switch changes > states. I'd want to *really* fix those nasty old 2212 NOVRAMs at the > same time though by replacing it with some kind of EEPROM, so the > project gets larger and I keep putting it off... > > -Clay -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From ClayC Wed Feb 3 10:35:59 1999 Received: from smtpmail2.diamondmm.com (ns2.diamondmm.com [206.156.108.152]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id KAA18980 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:35:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from sjmail1.sj.diamondmm.com [206.156.108.105] by smtpmail2.diamondmm.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.03) id A91F1C0002E; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:28:15 PST Received: by sjmail1.sj.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1G60ZAKV>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:34:03 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:35:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I just bought a bunch of parts from Digikey so on the same order I *finally* got around to buying a handful of 8.2,10, and 12 V bidirectional TVS's. In theory, those should "pass" anthing under the cutoff voltage and clamp anything above it. Should make for a pretty tough input protection circuit. I'll have to experiment with 'em... -Clay > ---------- > From: Franklin Bowen[SMTP:fbowen ] > Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 7:58 AM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: Re: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem > > > > Does the two diodes attached to the X and two diodes attached to Y mod > make > you safe from this type of problem (described in Gregg Woodcock's XY > FAQ)? > I've been thinking about doing this for some time now because MH and > SW > base explosions and Tempest flying to the next level apparently cause > a LOT > of stress (I can HEAR it). > > > > > > > "Dennis Shirk" on 02/03/99 10:36:18 AM > > Please respond to vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > cc: (bcc: Franklin Bowen/MD/CheckFree) > Subject: Re: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem > > > > > So this sounds familiar, huh? Doh! > > Would it be a good idea for me to start tracking down another 19" WG, > or > should I try to rule out possible other problems first? > > BTW, if it is the problem you mentioned below, would the whole monitor > have > to be replaced, or is that something that can be repaired? > > Thanks! > > Dennis Shirk > http://gameroom.godfrey.com > > >For what it's worth, this is what killed my monitor when I was > *first* > >working on the kits-- hence the warning about switching with the game > >on. > > > >Clay's techy idea on what can happen: > > > >I think you can switch and still have the code land in a segment that > >refreshes the watchdog, but the vector generator crashes. > >Max-deflection for very long = dead monitor. Someday I should > probably > >redesign the kit to have the bank-selection switch go into a PAL and > >then have the PAL yank reset for a few clocks after the switch > changes > >states. I'd want to *really* fix those nasty old 2212 NOVRAMs at the > >same time though by replacing it with some kind of EEPROM, so the > >project gets larger and I keep putting it off... > > > >-Clay > > > > > > > From ClayC Wed Feb 3 11:03:17 1999 Received: from smtpmail2.diamondmm.com (ns2.diamondmm.com [206.156.108.152]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id LAA24857 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:03:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from sjmail1.sj.diamondmm.com [206.156.108.105] by smtpmail2.diamondmm.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.03) id AF83EB00BE; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:55:31 PST Received: by sjmail1.sj.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1G60ZA7T>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:01:19 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:03:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Yeah, that's basically what I was suggesting before. You have a little state-machine in the PAL that counts for a while while holding Reset low and then releases it until the switch changes state again. A 555 or 74LS123 would probably do the job as well, although I have a religious aversion to anything that uses resistors or caps for timing elements in stuff I make. I'm sure they're perfectly OK, they just make me nervous. ;-) Actually, now that I think about it, you might be able to do it with just a double-pole, double throw (break before make) switch and an open-collector driver (like a 74LS06? '07? Don't remember...). Tie the output of one of the OC drivers to RESET on the 6809 with a pull-up (or pull-down depending on if the OC driver is inverting or not). On half the switch, tie common to the input of the driver, and tie either pole to GND (or +5V depending on inversion or not). Use the other half of the switch with common going to the select line on the ESB daughtercard, and one pole going to +5, the other to GND: /| / | 47Kohm /RESET----o ---------- > From: John Robertson[SMTP:jrr ] > Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 8:10 AM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: Re: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem > > What if the game change switch had a small circuit added that forced a > reset that lasted X amount of time? A 555 timer could be kludged in > pretty easily...or it could just pull the MPU reset down... > > John :-#)# > From mschulz Wed Feb 3 11:16:24 1999 Received: from tower.ti.com (tower.ti.com [192.94.94.5]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id LAA27349 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:16:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from tilde.csc.ti.com ([157.170.1.149]) by tower.ti.com (8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13082 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:15:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from ticipa.Works.Ti.Com (ticipa.works.ti.com [156.117.50.68]) by tilde.csc.ti.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA06578 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:15:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from mschulz2 (mschulz.works.ti.com) by ticipa.Works.Ti.Com with SMTP id AA05692 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:15:33 -0600 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:15:50 -0600 Message-Id: <01BE4F66.8DFBF1F0.mschulz > From: Michael Schulz Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Exidy Vertigo board pictures Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:15:48 -0600 Organization: Adventa Control Technologies, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Tuesday, February 02, 1999 5:30 PM, Al Kossow [SMTP:aek ] wrote: > "Does this mean you tracked down another board set (with ROMs)? > Possibly even working? > " > > Yes, I found another board set late last year. I've dumped the > prom set, and at least there are still bits in there (maybe even > the right bits) > Great! How about selling me the spare boardset? Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions and views expressed are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of Adventa Control Technologies, Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From aek Wed Feb 3 11:33:53 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id LAA29713 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:33:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (663 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:34:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:34:29 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Exidy Vertigo board pictures Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN " Great! How about selling me the spare boardset?" I would post this to you privately, but since you've posted this to the mailing list.. Since the first board was missing all of the proms, and I haven't had time to verify that the prom set was ok on the first board, I have no plans to sell either board. I didn't put the pictures up or the manual up as a 'brag', either. They are VERY tough to find and I thought a picture of them would help people spot a board set if they should see it. From computerspace Wed Feb 3 13:39:08 1999 Received: from hotmail.com (f196.hotmail.com [207.82.251.85]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id NAA21919 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:39:07 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 18993 invoked by uid 0); 3 Feb 1999 19:38:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19990203193850.18992.qmail > Received: from 207.12.83.85 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:38:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.12.83.85] From: "Tom Cloud" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:38:50 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Clay, So I understand this then...is to NOT switch between the games with the power on? I must confess, I've been doing that. When I read the message below, the hair on the back of my neck stood straight up!! So, is it ok to switch games with the power on or do I run the risk of damaging my monitor? Thanks for the info. Regards, Tom Cloud From: Clay Cowgill >To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" > >Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem >Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:46:03 -0800 >Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > > >> A couple games later, he switched it back to ESB, and it still did not >> display video, so he switched back to Star Wars, and now that was not >> displaying video either. >> >For what it's worth, this is what killed my monitor when I was *first* >working on the kits-- hence the warning about switching with the game >on. > >Clay's techy idea on what can happen: > >I think you can switch and still have the code land in a segment that >refreshes the watchdog, but the vector generator crashes. >Max-deflection for very long = dead monitor. Someday I should probably >redesign the kit to have the bank-selection switch go into a PAL and >then have the PAL yank reset for a few clocks after the switch changes >states. I'd want to *really* fix those nasty old 2212 NOVRAMs at the >same time though by replacing it with some kind of EEPROM, so the >project gets larger and I keep putting it off... > >-Clay > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ClayC Wed Feb 3 14:10:52 1999 Received: from smtpmail2.diamondmm.com (ns2.diamondmm.com [206.156.108.152]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id OAA26404 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:10:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from sjmail1.sj.diamondmm.com [206.156.108.105] by smtpmail2.diamondmm.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.03) id AB7C44B002E; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:03:08 PST Received: by sjmail1.sj.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1G60ZFFH>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:08:56 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:10:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This is what I wrote in the manual: "(It's technically 'safer' to switch with the power off anyway, since it's less likely to damage your monitor if the CPU doesn't reset properly. Your Mileage May Vary. If in doubt, turn the game off before switching.)" I had one monitor blow the low-voltage section by switching on the fly when the Vector Generator crashed (back at the end of 1996). Since then I've done all sorts of horrible things to the boards and monitor and never had a problem again. To be safe I'd "officially" say turn it off first, then switch. Unofficially there's *lots* of people switching on the fly and I've never heard of another monitor die with switching as a likely culprit. There's always a possibility that Dennis' monitor was just going to do it's Rutger Hauer/Blade Runner impression that day anyway ("Time... to die...") and it would have konked out when he turned the power off and on again too... -Clay > ---------- > From: Tom Cloud[SMTP:computerspace ] > Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 11:38 AM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem > > Clay, > > So I understand this then...is to NOT switch between the games with > the power on? I must confess, I've been doing that. When I read the > message below, the hair on the back of my neck stood straight up!! > > So, is it ok to switch games with the power on or do I run the risk > of damaging my monitor? > > Thanks for the info. > > Regards, > Tom Cloud > > > > From: Clay Cowgill > >To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" > > > >Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem > >Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:46:03 -0800 > >Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > > > > > >> A couple games later, he switched it back to ESB, and it still did > not > >> display video, so he switched back to Star Wars, and now that was > not > >> displaying video either. > >> > >For what it's worth, this is what killed my monitor when I was > *first* > >working on the kits-- hence the warning about switching with the game > >on. > > > >Clay's techy idea on what can happen: > > > >I think you can switch and still have the code land in a segment that > >refreshes the watchdog, but the vector generator crashes. > >Max-deflection for very long = dead monitor. Someday I should > probably > >redesign the kit to have the bank-selection switch go into a PAL and > >then have the PAL yank reset for a few clocks after the switch > changes > >states. I'd want to *really* fix those nasty old 2212 NOVRAMs at the > >same time though by replacing it with some kind of EEPROM, so the > >project gets larger and I keep putting it off... > > > >-Clay > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > From dshirk Wed Feb 3 14:40:51 1999 Received: from emailserver.redrose.net (mail.godfrey.com [208.157.105.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id OAA03116 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:40:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from redrose (DENMEISTERS [208.157.105.26]) by emailserver.redrose.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id CLP62KRM; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:39:31 -0500 Message-ID: <00cd01be4fce$6c3dcf80$1a699dd0@redrose.net.redrose.net> From: "W. Dennis Shirk" To: Subject: Re: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:39:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Clay, would the Low Voltage section of the board be a good place to start with the troubleshooting? I have read up on Anders Knudsen's LV2000 replacement for the low voltage section which is supposed to fix all kinds of problems. BTW, the URL for the LV2000 is http://www.diac.com/%7Ejeffh/lv2000/ Dennis http://gameroom.godfrey.com -----Original Message----- From: Clay Cowgill To: 'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu' Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 12:26 PM Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem >This is what I wrote in the manual: > >"(It's technically 'safer' to switch with the power off anyway, since >it's less likely to damage your monitor if the CPU doesn't reset >properly. Your Mileage May Vary. If in doubt, turn the game off before >switching.)" > >I had one monitor blow the low-voltage section by switching on the fly >when the Vector Generator crashed (back at the end of 1996). Since then >I've done all sorts of horrible things to the boards and monitor and >never had a problem again. To be safe I'd "officially" say turn it off >first, then switch. Unofficially there's *lots* of people switching on >the fly and I've never heard of another monitor die with switching as a >likely culprit. > >There's always a possibility that Dennis' monitor was just going to do >it's Rutger Hauer/Blade Runner impression that day anyway ("Time... to >die...") and it would have konked out when he turned the power off and >on again too... > >-Clay > >> ---------- >> From: Tom Cloud[SMTP:computerspace ] >> Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu >> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 11:38 AM >> To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu >> Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem >> >> Clay, >> >> So I understand this then...is to NOT switch between the games with >> the power on? I must confess, I've been doing that. When I read the >> message below, the hair on the back of my neck stood straight up!! >> >> So, is it ok to switch games with the power on or do I run the risk >> of damaging my monitor? >> >> Thanks for the info. >> >> Regards, >> Tom Cloud >> >> >> >> From: Clay Cowgill >> >To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" >> > >> >Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem >> >Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:46:03 -0800 >> >Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu >> > >> > >> >> A couple games later, he switched it back to ESB, and it still did >> not >> >> display video, so he switched back to Star Wars, and now that was >> not >> >> displaying video either. >> >> >> >For what it's worth, this is what killed my monitor when I was >> *first* >> >working on the kits-- hence the warning about switching with the game >> >on. >> > >> >Clay's techy idea on what can happen: >> > >> >I think you can switch and still have the code land in a segment that >> >refreshes the watchdog, but the vector generator crashes. >> >Max-deflection for very long = dead monitor. Someday I should >> probably >> >redesign the kit to have the bank-selection switch go into a PAL and >> >then have the PAL yank reset for a few clocks after the switch >> changes >> >states. I'd want to *really* fix those nasty old 2212 NOVRAMs at the >> >same time though by replacing it with some kind of EEPROM, so the >> >project gets larger and I keep putting it off... >> > >> >-Clay >> > >> > >> >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> From miranda Wed Feb 3 14:59:06 1999 Received: from mail.angel.com ([198.133.210.5]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id OAA06407 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:59:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:58:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Miranda K. Collins" To: vectorlist Subject: Space Duel and moving Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN So remember a while back I posted about my Space Duel cocktail for sale? Well I was supposed to put up a picture but I never got to borrow that digital camera again and I got busy with other things. Anyway, I'm moving this weekend and it is still for sale! However, I have decided that there is a trade deal I will accept instead if anyone is interested... Asteroids Deluxe. Why would I want to trade my 1 of 500 SD cocktails for an Asteroids Deluxe machine? I don't know. I'm just nice I guess. Or maybe I mean stupid. Anyway, it has to be a really, *really*, REALLY nice Asteroids Deluxe. So who wants to pick up my SD from my old apartment and then deliver an Asteroids Deluxe to my new one? Remember I am in North County San Diego. My old apartment is in Carlsbad and my new one is in Encinitas. Oh and I should describe the SD cocktail again... excellent shape, no original glass, 100% working. I would like to do this *now* so I don't have to move the game with a u-haul this weekend. Thanks! Miranda miranda From ClayC Wed Feb 3 15:10:50 1999 Received: from smtpmail2.diamondmm.com (ns2.diamondmm.com [206.156.108.152]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id PAA08717 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:10:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from sjmail1.sj.diamondmm.com [206.156.108.105] by smtpmail2.diamondmm.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.03) id A98528900BE; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:03:01 PST Received: by sjmail1.sj.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1G60ZGVJ>; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:08:50 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:10:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Yeah, I think there's a good chance that the low voltage section just failed on your monitor. (It *could* have taken out a deflection transistor or two, but I've seen far more bad low voltage circuits than dead deflection transistors...) If you buy one pre-assembled installation shouldn't take very long at all. -Clay > ---------- > From: W. Dennis Shirk[SMTP:dshirk ] > Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 3:39 PM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: Re: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem > > Clay, would the Low Voltage section of the board be a good place to > start > with the troubleshooting? I have read up on Anders Knudsen's LV2000 > replacement for the low voltage section which is supposed to fix all > kinds > of problems. BTW, the URL for the LV2000 is > http://www.diac.com/%7Ejeffh/lv2000/ > > Dennis > http://gameroom.godfrey.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clay Cowgill > To: 'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu' > > Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 12:26 PM > Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem > > > >This is what I wrote in the manual: > > > >"(It's technically 'safer' to switch with the power off anyway, since > >it's less likely to damage your monitor if the CPU doesn't reset > >properly. Your Mileage May Vary. If in doubt, turn the game off > before > >switching.)" > > > >I had one monitor blow the low-voltage section by switching on the > fly > >when the Vector Generator crashed (back at the end of 1996). Since > then > >I've done all sorts of horrible things to the boards and monitor and > >never had a problem again. To be safe I'd "officially" say turn it > off > >first, then switch. Unofficially there's *lots* of people switching > on > >the fly and I've never heard of another monitor die with switching as > a > >likely culprit. > > > >There's always a possibility that Dennis' monitor was just going to > do > >it's Rutger Hauer/Blade Runner impression that day anyway ("Time... > to > >die...") and it would have konked out when he turned the power off > and > >on again too... > > > >-Clay > > > >> ---------- > >> From: Tom Cloud[SMTP:computerspace ] > >> Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 11:38 AM > >> To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > >> Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem > >> > >> Clay, > >> > >> So I understand this then...is to NOT switch between the games with > >> the power on? I must confess, I've been doing that. When I read > the > >> message below, the hair on the back of my neck stood straight up!! > >> > >> So, is it ok to switch games with the power on or do I run the risk > >> of damaging my monitor? > >> > >> Thanks for the info. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Tom Cloud > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Clay Cowgill > >> >To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" > >> > > >> >Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem > >> >Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:46:03 -0800 > >> >Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > >> > > >> > > >> >> A couple games later, he switched it back to ESB, and it still > did > >> not > >> >> display video, so he switched back to Star Wars, and now that > was > >> not > >> >> displaying video either. > >> >> > >> >For what it's worth, this is what killed my monitor when I was > >> *first* > >> >working on the kits-- hence the warning about switching with the > game > >> >on. > >> > > >> >Clay's techy idea on what can happen: > >> > > >> >I think you can switch and still have the code land in a segment > that > >> >refreshes the watchdog, but the vector generator crashes. > >> >Max-deflection for very long = dead monitor. Someday I should > >> probably > >> >redesign the kit to have the bank-selection switch go into a PAL > and > >> >then have the PAL yank reset for a few clocks after the switch > >> changes > >> >states. I'd want to *really* fix those nasty old 2212 NOVRAMs at > the > >> >same time though by replacing it with some kind of EEPROM, so the > >> >project gets larger and I keep putting it off... > >> > > >> >-Clay > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >> > >> > > From jhendrix Wed Feb 3 15:23:18 1999 Received: from mailhost.quark.com (mailhost.quark.com [206.195.78.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id PAA11100 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:23:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from denver.quark.com (denver.quark.com [206.195.71.192]) by mailhost.quark.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10719 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:23:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by denver.quark.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:20:58 -0700 Message-ID: <3D62AB6FFC80D211A84700104B10CB2C4B8705 > From: jeff hendrix To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:20:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN And the new kits are easier to install (less prep work). If you buy an assembled one, all you have to do is solder on the 2 wires, straighten out the standoffs and drop it in (after you remove the old parts first) -jeff -----Original Message----- From: Clay Cowgill [mailto:ClayC ] Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 2:11 PM To: 'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu' Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem Yeah, I think there's a good chance that the low voltage section just failed on your monitor. (It *could* have taken out a deflection transistor or two, but I've seen far more bad low voltage circuits than dead deflection transistors...) If you buy one pre-assembled installation shouldn't take very long at all. -Clay > ---------- > From: W. Dennis Shirk[SMTP:dshirk ] > Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 3:39 PM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: Re: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem > > Clay, would the Low Voltage section of the board be a good place to > start > with the troubleshooting? I have read up on Anders Knudsen's LV2000 > replacement for the low voltage section which is supposed to fix all > kinds > of problems. BTW, the URL for the LV2000 is > http://www.diac.com/%7Ejeffh/lv2000/ > > Dennis > http://gameroom.godfrey.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clay Cowgill > To: 'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu' > > Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 12:26 PM > Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem > > > >This is what I wrote in the manual: > > > >"(It's technically 'safer' to switch with the power off anyway, since > >it's less likely to damage your monitor if the CPU doesn't reset > >properly. Your Mileage May Vary. If in doubt, turn the game off > before > >switching.)" > > > >I had one monitor blow the low-voltage section by switching on the > fly > >when the Vector Generator crashed (back at the end of 1996). Since > then > >I've done all sorts of horrible things to the boards and monitor and > >never had a problem again. To be safe I'd "officially" say turn it > off > >first, then switch. Unofficially there's *lots* of people switching > on > >the fly and I've never heard of another monitor die with switching as > a > >likely culprit. > > > >There's always a possibility that Dennis' monitor was just going to > do > >it's Rutger Hauer/Blade Runner impression that day anyway ("Time... > to > >die...") and it would have konked out when he turned the power off > and > >on again too... > > > >-Clay > > > >> ---------- > >> From: Tom Cloud[SMTP:computerspace ] > >> Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 11:38 AM > >> To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > >> Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem > >> > >> Clay, > >> > >> So I understand this then...is to NOT switch between the games with > >> the power on? I must confess, I've been doing that. When I read > the > >> message below, the hair on the back of my neck stood straight up!! > >> > >> So, is it ok to switch games with the power on or do I run the risk > >> of damaging my monitor? > >> > >> Thanks for the info. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Tom Cloud > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Clay Cowgill > >> >To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" > >> > > >> >Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem > >> >Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:46:03 -0800 > >> >Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > >> > > >> > > >> >> A couple games later, he switched it back to ESB, and it still > did > >> not > >> >> display video, so he switched back to Star Wars, and now that > was > >> not > >> >> displaying video either. > >> >> > >> >For what it's worth, this is what killed my monitor when I was > >> *first* > >> >working on the kits-- hence the warning about switching with the > game > >> >on. > >> > > >> >Clay's techy idea on what can happen: > >> > > >> >I think you can switch and still have the code land in a segment > that > >> >refreshes the watchdog, but the vector generator crashes. > >> >Max-deflection for very long = dead monitor. Someday I should > >> probably > >> >redesign the kit to have the bank-selection switch go into a PAL > and > >> >then have the PAL yank reset for a few clocks after the switch > >> changes > >> >states. I'd want to *really* fix those nasty old 2212 NOVRAMs at > the > >> >same time though by replacing it with some kind of EEPROM, so the > >> >project gets larger and I keep putting it off... > >> > > >> >-Clay > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >> > >> > > From MKDUD Wed Feb 3 21:41:44 1999 Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id VAA29428 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:41:41 -0600 (CST) From: MKDUD Received: from MKDUD by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 2LDOa03211 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:26:15 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <70e5ee95.36b91357 > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:26:15 EST To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Asteroids Rom questions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hello, I was talking to a friend today, and he was telling me that you can't use windowed roms on an Asteroids board. I've seen Asteroids boards with windowed roms, but he claims you need the "prom" style roms for it to work. Is there an encryption in this that I don't know of?? Can you burn a set of 2716's and replace the "prom" style roms?? Please help if you can, Thank You, Michael Kelley From miranda Wed Feb 3 22:54:02 1999 Received: from mail.angel.com ([198.133.210.5]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id WAA08415 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:54:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:53:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Miranda K. Collins" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Space Duel pics Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Here are some [really bad] pictures of my Space Duel for sale/trade. I fought with the camera and lighting for a while but I ended up giving up. At least you can see that it works! :) If someone really wants to see better pictures, e-mail me and I will try scanning polaroids instead of using a digital camera. Miranda From miranda Wed Feb 3 22:56:13 1999 Received: from mail.angel.com ([198.133.210.5]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id WAA08607 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:56:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:55:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Miranda K. Collins" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: duh... (SD pics) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN http://www.geocities.com:80/Athens/Styx/7181/mvc-068f.jpg http://www.geocities.com:80/Athens/Styx/7181/mvc-070f.jpg From twisnion Thu Feb 4 00:04:35 1999 Received: from smtp.enteract.com (thor.enteract.com [207.229.143.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id AAA16293 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 00:04:32 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 24772 invoked from network); 4 Feb 1999 06:04:30 -0000 Received: from usrx2-38.chi-focal.enteract.com (HELO newmicronpc) (207.229.172.38) by thor.enteract.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 1999 06:04:30 -0000 Message-ID: <015901be5005$f76061e0$26ace5cf@newmicronpc> Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: "TomW" To: Subject: Tek 624 Vector Monitor Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 00:16:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Anyone have and interest in a Tektronix 624 Vector monitor ? $50, it does not have a case, it was a rackmount. It works, I've had it hooked up to an asteroids boardset, but I only had 1x probes and the gain adjust would not go that low. A 10x should work fine I would think.. TomW From jrr Thu Feb 4 00:36:08 1999 Received: from penelope.aktom.com (smtp.aktom.com [207.219.208.2] (may be forged)) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id AAA21141 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 00:36:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from cr689357-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com (cr689357-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.14.85]) by penelope.flippers.com (NTMail 3.03.0012/4c.abyd) with ESMTP id va186675 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:46:26 +0000 Message-ID: <36B93FB5.FC04069F > Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 22:35:33 -0800 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Asteroids Rom questions References: <70e5ee95.36b91357 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Micheal! Atari used 2716's interchangably with the Proms. You sould have no problem, certainly the Proms were not encrypted in any way. Here's a "dumb" question, though...What's a "windowed" Asteroids? John :-#)# MKDUD wrote: > > Hello, > > I was talking to a friend today, and he was telling me that you can't use > windowed roms on an Asteroids board. I've seen Asteroids boards with windowed > roms, but he claims you need the "prom" style roms for it to work. Is there an > encryption in this that I don't know of?? Can you burn a set of 2716's and > replace the "prom" style roms?? Please help if you can, > > Thank You, > Michael Kelley -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From rlboots@cedar-rapids.net Thu Feb 4 03:12:38 1999 Received: from CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id DAA05532 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 03:12:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from cedar-rapids.net ([209.181.207.205]) by CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET with ESMTP (IPAD 2.08/64) id 6263800 ; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 03:11:36 -0600 Message-ID: <36B96480.B9C0203B@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 03:12:32 -0600 From: Rodger Boots X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist > Subject: Re: Asteroids Rom questions References: <70e5ee95.36b91357 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN You use whatever the board has sockets for. Some statuses had the small sockets for the PROMs and others had the large sockets for the EPROMs. Usually the board won't have both sets of sockets installed. If you use EPROMs, try to get faster ones. A 450 nS part will be marginal on this game, a 350 nS will feel right at home. PROMs on the other hand are usually closer to 50 nS access time so the board has no problem with them. A marginal speed EPROM will work when cool, but may fail when it warms up. EPROMs get slower as they get hotter, PROMs are the opposite. MKDUD wrote: > Hello, > > I was talking to a friend today, and he was telling me that you can't use > windowed roms on an Asteroids board. I've seen Asteroids boards with windowed > roms, but he claims you need the "prom" style roms for it to work. Is there an > encryption in this that I don't know of?? Can you burn a set of 2716's and > replace the "prom" style roms?? Please help if you can, > > Thank You, > Michael Kelley From dshirk Thu Feb 4 06:11:07 1999 Received: from emailserver.redrose.net (mail.godfrey.com [208.157.105.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id GAA14572 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 06:11:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from redrose (DENMEISTERS [208.157.105.26]) by emailserver.redrose.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id CLP62L3W; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 07:09:46 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01be5050$5a291480$1a699dd0@redrose.net.redrose.net> From: "W. Dennis Shirk" To: Subject: Re: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 07:09:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Thanks everyone (especially Caly and Jeff). I am going to give this a try and go from there. Dennis http://gameroom.godfrey.com -----Original Message----- From: jeff hendrix To: 'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu' Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 1:29 PM Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem >And the new kits are easier to install (less prep work). >If you buy an assembled one, all you have to do is solder on the 2 wires, >straighten out the standoffs and drop it in (after you remove the old parts >first) > >-jeff > >-----Original Message----- From: Clay Cowgill [mailto:ClayC ] >Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 2:11 PM >To: 'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu' >Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem > > >Yeah, I think there's a good chance that the low voltage section just >failed on your monitor. (It *could* have taken out a deflection >transistor or two, but I've seen far more bad low voltage circuits than >dead deflection transistors...) > >If you buy one pre-assembled installation shouldn't take very long at >all. > >-Clay > >> ---------- >> From: W. Dennis Shirk[SMTP:dshirk ] >> Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu >> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 3:39 PM >> To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu >> Subject: Re: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem >> >> Clay, would the Low Voltage section of the board be a good place to >> start >> with the troubleshooting? I have read up on Anders Knudsen's LV2000 >> replacement for the low voltage section which is supposed to fix all >> kinds >> of problems. BTW, the URL for the LV2000 is >> http://www.diac.com/%7Ejeffh/lv2000/ >> >> Dennis >> http://gameroom.godfrey.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Clay Cowgill >> To: 'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu' >> >> Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 12:26 PM >> Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem >> >> >> >This is what I wrote in the manual: >> > >> >"(It's technically 'safer' to switch with the power off anyway, since >> >it's less likely to damage your monitor if the CPU doesn't reset >> >properly. Your Mileage May Vary. If in doubt, turn the game off >> before >> >switching.)" >> > >> >I had one monitor blow the low-voltage section by switching on the >> fly >> >when the Vector Generator crashed (back at the end of 1996). Since >> then >> >I've done all sorts of horrible things to the boards and monitor and >> >never had a problem again. To be safe I'd "officially" say turn it >> off >> >first, then switch. Unofficially there's *lots* of people switching >> on >> >the fly and I've never heard of another monitor die with switching as >> a >> >likely culprit. >> > >> >There's always a possibility that Dennis' monitor was just going to >> do >> >it's Rutger Hauer/Blade Runner impression that day anyway ("Time... >> to >> >die...") and it would have konked out when he turned the power off >> and >> >on again too... >> > >> >-Clay >> > >> >> ---------- >> >> From: Tom Cloud[SMTP:computerspace ] >> >> Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 11:38 AM >> >> To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu >> >> Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem >> >> >> >> Clay, >> >> >> >> So I understand this then...is to NOT switch between the games with >> >> the power on? I must confess, I've been doing that. When I read >> the >> >> message below, the hair on the back of my neck stood straight up!! >> >> >> >> So, is it ok to switch games with the power on or do I run the risk >> >> of damaging my monitor? >> >> >> >> Thanks for the info. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Tom Cloud >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Clay Cowgill >> >> >To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" >> >> > >> >> >Subject: RE: Star Wars/Wells Gardner 6100 Problem >> >> >Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:46:03 -0800 >> >> >Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> A couple games later, he switched it back to ESB, and it still >> did >> >> not >> >> >> display video, so he switched back to Star Wars, and now that >> was >> >> not >> >> >> displaying video either. >> >> >> >> >> >For what it's worth, this is what killed my monitor when I was >> >> *first* >> >> >working on the kits-- hence the warning about switching with the >> game >> >> >on. >> >> > >> >> >Clay's techy idea on what can happen: >> >> > >> >> >I think you can switch and still have the code land in a segment >> that >> >> >refreshes the watchdog, but the vector generator crashes. >> >> >Max-deflection for very long = dead monitor. Someday I should >> >> probably >> >> >redesign the kit to have the bank-selection switch go into a PAL >> and >> >> >then have the PAL yank reset for a few clocks after the switch >> >> changes >> >> >states. I'd want to *really* fix those nasty old 2212 NOVRAMs at >> the >> >> >same time though by replacing it with some kind of EEPROM, so the >> >> >project gets larger and I keep putting it off... >> >> > >> >> >-Clay >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> From aek Thu Feb 4 10:14:09 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id KAA15552 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:14:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (398 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:14:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:14:45 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: atari vector power supplies Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Is there a quick way to ID the different Atari X/Y transformer assemblies? From memory, there were three different kinds, weren't there? 1) the kind in Asteroids 2) the kind in Battlezone (different large Molex pin keying?) 3) color From jrr Thu Feb 4 10:36:19 1999 Received: from penelope.aktom.com (smtp.aktom.com [207.219.208.2] (may be forged)) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id KAA19191 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:36:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from cr689357-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com (cr689357-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.14.85]) by penelope.flippers.com (NTMail 3.03.0012/4c.abyd) with ESMTP id pa186695 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:46:37 +0000 Message-ID: <36B9CC56.6208FA9D > Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 08:35:34 -0800 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: atari vector power supplies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Yes, the transformer part number (which is stamped on it) is an easy way. I don't remember the numbers but if you check the schematics it is fairly easy to then identify the various power packs. John :-#)# Al Kossow wrote: > > Is there a quick way to ID the different Atari X/Y transformer assemblies? > From memory, there were three different kinds, weren't there? > 1) the kind in Asteroids > 2) the kind in Battlezone (different large Molex pin keying?) > 3) color -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From jhendrix Thu Feb 4 10:39:40 1999 Received: from mailhost.quark.com (mailhost.quark.com [206.195.78.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id KAA19673 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:39:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from denver.quark.com (denver.quark.com [206.195.71.192]) by mailhost.quark.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24098 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:39:41 -0700 (MST) Received: by denver.quark.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:37:21 -0700 Message-ID: <3D62AB6FFC80D211A84700104B10CB2C4B870E > From: jeff hendrix To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: atari vector power supplies Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:37:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN There was also one from lunar lander and early asteroids machines. It put out 80 volts for the monitor instead of 60. (to power the G05-801 monitors, the ones with the power supply in the center with 2 large blue caps) -jeff -----Original Message----- From: aek ] Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 9:15 AM To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: atari vector power supplies Is there a quick way to ID the different Atari X/Y transformer assemblies? From memory, there were three different kinds, weren't there? 1) the kind in Asteroids 2) the kind in Battlezone (different large Molex pin keying?) 3) color From aek Thu Feb 4 11:37:04 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id LAA07671 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:37:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (664 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:37:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:37:38 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Atari transformer assys Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Did a bit of digging, and it looks like: 034633-01 original supply, no keying pins 10.3 10.3 10.3 GND GND 36vac 36vac 6.3vac 6.3vac 65vac xy ret 65vac - gnd 35887-01 international PS (battlezone) 10.3 10.3 10.3 gnd gnd 36vac 36vac 6.1vac key 6.1vac 60vac 60vac ct 60vac 60vac (#2) 60vac ct 60vac 37394-01 10.3 10.3 10.3 gnd gnd 36v 36v 6.1v key 6.1v 50vac 50vac ct - ke - 50vac so, it looks like the one with 1 keying pin is for Battlezone, and the one with 2 keying pins is for the color games. From MKDUD Thu Feb 4 12:13:31 1999 Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id MAA22242 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:13:28 -0600 (CST) From: MKDUD Received: from MKDUD by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id LNWSa01433 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:12:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3896130.36b9e30d > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:12:29 EST To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Asteroids Rom questions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In a message dated 2/4/99 1:38:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, jrr writes: << Atari used 2716's interchangably with the Proms. You sould have no problem, certainly the Proms were not encrypted in any way. Here's a "dumb" question, though...What's a "windowed" Asteroids? >> Excuse my dumbness on this, folks. (Lack of sleep). I meant regular Eproms vs. masked proms. I now know that the 2 are interchangeable, and their is no encryption. Thanks to everyone for the help. MK From aek Thu Feb 4 12:26:16 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id MAA27283 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:26:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (889 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:26:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:26:49 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: atari ps pinouts Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN feh.. got some of the pinouts wrong.. 1 10.3 2 10.3 3 10.3 4 gnd 5 gnd 6 36vac (ct gnd) 7 36vac (ct gnd) 8 6.3vac 9 6.3vac 10 - 11 65vac 12 65vac ct 13 65vac 14 - 15 gnd 34633-10 1 10.3 2 10.3 3 10.3 4 gnd 5 gnd 6 36vac (ct gnd) 7 36vac (ct gnd) 8 6.1vac KEY 9 6.1vac 10 60vac 11 60vac ct 12 60vac 13 60vac 14 60vac ct 15 60vac 35887-01 (international) 10,11,12 in parallel with 13,14,15 in wiring harness 1 10.3 2 10.3 3 10.3 4 gnd 5 gnd 6 36vac (ct gnd) 7 36vac (ct gnd) 8 6.1vac KEY 9 6.1vac 10 50vac 11 50vac ct 12 - 13 50vac KEY 14 - 15 - 37394-01 color supply From kmahan Thu Feb 4 12:51:15 1999 Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id MAA04177 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:51:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from xmission.xmission.com ([198.60.22.2] ident=root) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 108Trs-0002jg-00 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:51:12 -0700 Received: from kmahan by xmission.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.05 #1) id 108Trq-0004x7-00 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:51:10 -0700 Subject: Re: Asteroids Rom questions To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:51:09 -0700 (MST) In-Reply-To: <3896130.36b9e30d " at Feb 4, 99 01:12:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Kurt Mahan Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > In a message dated 2/4/99 1:38:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, jrr > writes: > > << Atari used 2716's interchangably with the Proms. You sould have no > problem, certainly the Proms were not encrypted in any way. > Here's a "dumb" question, though...What's a "windowed" Asteroids? > >> > > Excuse my dumbness on this, folks. (Lack of sleep). I meant regular Eproms vs. > masked proms. I now know that the 2 are interchangeable, and their is no > encryption. Thanks to everyone for the help. Not everything is interchangeable though. The mask roms on the cinematronics boards (at least most of them) had to be read as 2516s (just a few wires needed to be changed).. Zonn and friends could give a better description (its been a while since I wired up my adapter..) Kurt From MKDUD Thu Feb 4 13:05:51 1999 Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id NAA06778 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:05:50 -0600 (CST) From: MKDUD Received: from MKDUD by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id BEQAa01221 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:05:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <695ad8bc.36b9ef5d > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:05:01 EST To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Asteroids Troubleshooting??? STJ articles?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN A couple weeks ago, we had some posts dealing with older StarTech Journal and their info on dubugging Asteroids boards. (I think you had some of these, Jess??) I'd love to buy or pay for copies of these, and I'd pay a good price. I'm trying to fix some Asteroids boards, and they are really driving me crazy. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Very Much, Michael Kelley From aek Thu Feb 4 13:49:57 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id NAA20849 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:49:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (465 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:50:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:50:32 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Asteroids Troubleshooting??? STJ articles?? Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "I'd love to buy or pay for copies of these, and I'd pay a good price." they are still available from Star Tech, aren't they? I wouldn't waste my money on the CD. Unless they've rescanned them the scans on there are so low resolution as to be useless, especially for schematics. From mike_ranger Thu Feb 4 14:01:45 1999 Received: from firewall.dofasco.ca (firewall-user@[192.139.152.130]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id OAA22743 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:01:44 -0600 (CST) From: mike_ranger Received: by firewall.dofasco.ca; id PAA00570; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from msxhub1.dofasco.ca(142.153.24.198) by firewall.dofasco.ca via smap (4.1) id xma000555; Thu, 4 Feb 99 15:02:03 -0500 Received: by MSXHUB1.dofasco.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1G99P45N>; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:56:15 -0500 Message-ID: <171626CE171CD2118C640000F86326340287CB8A@DFSPO04.dofasco.ca> To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Asteroids Troubleshooting??? STJ articles?? Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:56:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN A little while ago, a guy who goes buy the name of Paul Tonizzo (Hi Paul!), posted a rather lengthy message on his methodology when approaching busted asteriods boards. I looked through my inbox (man is it big) but I could not find it. Maybe Paul could be convinced to re-post, or someone who has a copy can forward it to Michael Kelley Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: aek ] > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 2:51 PM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: Re: Asteroids Troubleshooting??? STJ articles?? > > "I'd love to buy or pay for copies of these, and I'd pay a good price." > > they are still available from Star Tech, aren't they? > > I wouldn't waste my money on the CD. Unless they've rescanned them the > scans on there are so low resolution as to be useless, especially for > schematics. From jess Thu Feb 4 14:40:26 1999 Received: from roper.uwyo.edu (pmdf@roper.uwyo.edu [129.72.10.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id OAA29165 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:40:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from asuwlink.uwyo.edu (asuwlink.uwyo.edu [129.72.60.2]) by ROPER.UWYO.EDU (PMDF V5.2-31 #33749) with ESMTP id <0F6N00B92D5M1R@ROPER.UWYO.EDU> for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:34:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from glitter-dial (ras8710.uwyo.edu [129.72.87.10]) by asuwlink.uwyo.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA18003 for ; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:34:32 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:35:20 -0700 From: "Jess Askey (At Work ;-)" Subject: Re: Asteroids Troubleshooting??? STJ articles?? To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-id: <36BA0488.438C > Organization: Laramie Trusses, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <171626CE171CD2118C640000F86326340287CB8A@DFSPO04.dofasco.ca> Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Also, if you goto my old Tempest page (which I haven't worked on for years! :-0 There is a link to a page by Nick Sayer that has intense details on troubleshooting and repairing Tempest board. While this doesn't directly apply, you can get a good idea of how the hardware works a bit. I have Paul's response in my 'reference' folder at home. If no one beats me to it, I will post it again here. Or put it up on GA and forward the link here. In reference to the STJ's that I have, they are buried so deep in my garage right now that I can't get them for a bit. When I get my game room done this summer, and the shelves on the wall, stuff like this will be much easier to find. ;-) jess mike_ranger wrote: > > A little while ago, a guy who goes buy the name of Paul Tonizzo (Hi > Paul!), posted a rather lengthy message on his methodology when approaching > busted asteriods boards. I looked through my inbox (man is it big) but I > could not find it. Maybe Paul could be convinced to re-post, or someone who > has a copy can forward it to Michael Kelley > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aek ] > > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 2:51 PM > > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > > Subject: Re: Asteroids Troubleshooting??? STJ articles?? > > > > "I'd love to buy or pay for copies of these, and I'd pay a good price." > > > > they are still available from Star Tech, aren't they? > > > > I wouldn't waste my money on the CD. Unless they've rescanned them the > > scans on there are so low resolution as to be useless, especially for > > schematics. From rpreston Thu Feb 4 14:46:51 1999 Received: from lists.cape.com (root [204.107.252.12]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id OAA01441 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:46:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from cape.com (tsc-44.cape.com [140.186.55.44]) by lists.cape.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA30877 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:46:45 -0500 Message-ID: <36BA0728.25FC094B > Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:46:32 -0500 From: Roger Michael Preston Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Zanen cap kit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN A while back on this list, a discussion ensued on the merits of the Zanen cap get-well kit. During the course of that discussion, someone mentioned in passing that the components included in a Zanen kit were cheaper, substandard parts, that is, not within spec. (to the point that they could almost cause damage). The implication being that higher quality resistor/capacitor/ transistor components were available elsewhere. What's the consensus on this issue? Do most subscribers to this list avoid the Zanen parts? If so, where do you buy higher quality components? -rmp From rlboots@cedar-rapids.net Thu Feb 4 15:02:19 1999 Received: from CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id PAA04788 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:02:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from cedar-rapids.net ([209.181.207.205]) by CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET with ESMTP (IPAD 2.08/64) id 6455000 ; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:01:25 -0600 Message-ID: <36BA0A31.81544403@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 14:59:29 -0600 From: Rodger Boots X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, Roger Michael Preston Subject: Re: Zanen cap kit References: <36BA0728.25FC094B > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN There's nothing wrong with the Zanen kits. I disagree with their choice of replacement transistors for the Electrohome G08 (Sega) vector monitor, but the proper transistors are no longer available. As for quality of parts, they exceed that of the ones you're taking out of the monitor. You CAN buy better parts, at a higher cost, but there is no problem with the ones in the Zanen kits. If you want longer life from the parts the real answer is to have a fan blowing air through the monitor to keep everything cool. That will gain you even more life than the high temp caps would. Roger Michael Preston wrote: > A while back on this list, a discussion ensued on the merits > of the Zanen cap get-well kit. During the course of that > discussion, someone mentioned in passing that the components > included in a Zanen kit were cheaper, substandard parts, that is, > not within spec. (to the point that they could almost cause > damage). > > The implication being that higher quality resistor/capacitor/ > transistor components were available elsewhere. > > What's the consensus on this issue? Do most subscribers > to this list avoid the Zanen parts? If so, where do you buy > higher quality components? > > -rmp From eddie Thu Feb 4 15:17:21 1999 Received: from frogger.lm.com (eddie@[204.171.44.48]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id PAA07240 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:17:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (eddie@localhost) by frogger.lm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA17904 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:17:19 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: frogger.lm.com: eddie owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:17:18 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Henciak X-Sender: eddie To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Zanen cap kit In-Reply-To: <36BA0728.25FC094B > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN The parts for WG monitors are fine...it's the kit they sell for the G08 (Electrohome Color XY used in Sega stuff). The deflection transistors are underrated as are some caps. In fact, I recall a couple discussions on RGVAC (in the days before Clay started short changing us a switch in our ESB kits) of people blowing up G08s after installing Zanen's kits (defl. transistor failure). Ed On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Roger Michael Preston wrote: > A while back on this list, a discussion ensued on the merits > of the Zanen cap get-well kit. During the course of that > discussion, someone mentioned in passing that the components > included in a Zanen kit were cheaper, substandard parts, that is, > not within spec. (to the point that they could almost cause > damage). > > The implication being that higher quality resistor/capacitor/ > transistor components were available elsewhere. > > What's the consensus on this issue? Do most subscribers > to this list avoid the Zanen parts? If so, where do you buy > higher quality components? > > -rmp > > From jenison Thu Feb 4 15:23:14 1999 Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id PAA07957 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:23:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by ftpbox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id PAA27991 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:23:02 -0600 (CST) Comments: ( Received on ftpbox.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by mothost.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id PAA20773 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:23:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id PAA22050 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:21:11 -0600 (CST) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id PAA15561 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:21:09 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:21:09 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9902041521.ZM15559@calcite> In-Reply-To: "Jess Askey (At Work ;-)" "Re: Asteroids Troubleshooting??? STJ articles??" (Feb 4, 1:35pm) References: <171626CE171CD2118C640000F86326340287CB8A@DFSPO04.dofasco.ca> <36BA0488.438C > X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Asteroids Troubleshooting??? STJ articles?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I found this in one of my inboxes... On Nov 12, 9:01am, Paul Tonizzo wrote: > Subject: Re: Need Guide to Tshooting Asteroid boards > Keith, > > I posted this a couple weeks back, it should help. > > > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > cc: > Subject: Re: Major Havoc help (was: Vectrex on Vector Monitor?) > > My contribution to the Vector Fix-it FAQ,,, :') > > For Asteroids and Asteroids Deluxe boards with no signs of life: > > Unplug the monitor from the harness at it's molex connector to avoid > damage to it - when the monitor sits in spot killer state too long things > can fry! > > 1. Start out by verifying that the clock is running. (The crystal on > these boards > breaks off WAY too easily.) Then check that the CPU and ROM's are good. > If you found nothing or it's still dead, you've got a watchdog reset > happening - see if pin 40 of the CPU is toggling (it's supposed to be held > high). > > 2. To figure out who is causing the watchdog resets (the MPU or the VSM > (Vector > State Machine)), take the 74LS42 at L5 (L6 on Asteroids) and socket it, > then > lift out pin 1 to isolate DMAG0. > a) If the board stops resetting, the MPU is not the problem and you > should be > able to play a game "blind" or switch into test mode and listen for any > beeps > indicating RAM/ROM problems. That will at least help you get the MPU side > running properly and then you can play the game blind. > b) A board that is still resetting has a problem with the MPU and also > possibly > the VSM. Check the ROMS, RAM and especially the 74LS245 (or AM83048) > at E2 (E3 on Asteroids). Once you fix the reset problem, switching to > test mode > should reveal any other missed RAM/ROM issues and verify the MPU is > running ok. You should now be able to play the game blind. > > 3) Place pin 1 of the 74LS42 (DMAG0) back into it's socket. If the > watchdog is > resetting, it's time to look at the VSM side of things. If it's not > resetting, plug > the monitor back into the harness and look for some video. > > For the VSM, check the PROM at C8 (C9 on Asteroids) and surrounding state > machine signals for HALT, DMAGO, STOP, GO and the like. The rest is pure > grunt > work to check the state machine is running properly. Someone else please > feel free to add details to the VSM debug procedure... > > Paul > > > > > > Keith Sink on 11/11/98 06:47:40 PM > > Please respond to vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > cc: (bcc: Paul Tonizzo/SYBASE) > Subject: Need Guide to Tshooting Asteroid boards > > > > > Can anyone give me a guide to diagnosing problems on an Asteroids board? I > have two. One seems to have a broken trace that I'm going to have to track > down. The other does some beeps and the counter begins clicking away. No > game sounds or video. > > All I have for diagnostic tools is a digital volt meter. > > Any advice and guidance is appreciated. > > -Keith > > > > > > >-- End of excerpt from Paul Tonizzo From Todd.Miller Thu Feb 4 15:23:29 1999 Received: from ronweb.com (www.ronweb.com [199.244.165.220]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id PAA08012 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:23:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from gateway.ronweb.com ([10.1.10.202]) by gateway.ronweb.com with ESMTP id <40323>; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:09:48 -0500 Received: by CTHQ1E01 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:18:05 -0500 Message-ID: <2FD99C4CD318D111BE0300A0C981D39CAB516E@CTHQ1E01> From: Todd Miller To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Zanen cap kit Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:18:03 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I agree with Rodger, the kits for G08's use underrated transistors & one underrated cap. For the transistors, I use MJ15003's (about $5 each) and the cap (C401?) should be a 1000 uf 160V (not 1000 uf 50V as what comes in the kit) I have three G08's that I rebuilt this way, and they are still going strong. Also a fan blowing across the deflection PCB helps keep thing cool. Todd Miller, LAN Analyst Ron Weber and Associates 103 E. State Street, Mason City, IA 50401 (515)423-4293/(515)423-4594 FAX http://www.telethinking.com -----Original Message----- From: Rodger Boots [SMTP:rlboots@cedar-rapids.net] Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 2:59 PM To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Roger Michael Preston Subject: Re: Zanen cap kit There's nothing wrong with the Zanen kits. I disagree with their choice of replacement transistors for the Electrohome G08 (Sega) vector monitor, but the proper transistors are no longer available. As for quality of parts, they exceed that of the ones you're taking out of the monitor. You CAN buy better parts, at a higher cost, but there is no problem with the ones in the Zanen kits. If you want longer life from the parts the real answer is to have a fan blowing air through the monitor to keep everything cool. That will gain you even more life than the high temp caps would. From ClayC Thu Feb 4 15:31:23 1999 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id PAA09860 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:31:22 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA26373 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:31:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma026358; Thu, 4 Feb 99 13:30:52 -0800 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa25709; 4 Feb 99 13:30 PST Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <1HK0TMVG>; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:30:50 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Zanen cap kit Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:30:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > (in the days before Clay started short changing us a switch in our > ESB kits) > Hey! I, uhhhh, heard that, or something... The 'switch' is on the daughterboard. You just need to add the actuator to short the contacts. ;-) (Of course you realize, Ed, that if you ever buy another ESB kit from me you're going to get a 30lb, 200A, house mains switch soldered onto the end of some 22gauge wire...) -Clay From steve.ozdemir Thu Feb 4 16:45:00 1999 Received: from granite.plpt.com (granite.plpt.com [199.181.238.77]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id QAA22579 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:44:58 -0600 (CST) Received: by granite.plpt.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:45:25 -0800 Message-ID: <0D7E878509BED111BEAC00A0C9A3CA60183B61 > From: "Ozdemir, Steve" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Asteroids Troubleshooting??? STJ articles?? Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:45:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN G'day folks, The guy that Al is visitting in Santa Barbara this weekend has volumes 1-4 and 6 (in good condition and including alot about Asteroids) covering the late 70's and perhaps 1980 and 1981. If you'd like Al or me to pick up the lot, let us know. I paid $75 for just volumes 1-4 a couple years ago, since I wasn't willing to spend more and get the modern stuff. I certainly wasn't going to pay the $300+ price for the CD, and now that I have paper copies of the first four volumes I'm not sure if they're really worth the $75. By the way along other lines, please note that my email address is changing shortly. I'll be off the vectorlist for a while and can be reached at the usual Stanford email address. Steve Ozdemir sso (all email to this address will bounce in mid Feb) ozdemir@xenon.stanford.edu (my permanent email address that I check weekly) steven.ozdemir (likely new email address) ps - I'm changing jobs in February, and the last one is my best guess at my new address. > -----Original Message----- > From: aek ] > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 11:51 AM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: Re: Asteroids Troubleshooting??? STJ articles?? > > "I'd love to buy or pay for copies of these, and I'd pay a good price." > > they are still available from Star Tech, aren't they? > > I wouldn't waste my money on the CD. Unless they've rescanned them the > scans on there are so low resolution as to be useless, especially for > schematics. > From chris Thu Feb 4 17:05:40 1999 Received: from westnet.com (chris [206.24.6.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id RAA27100 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:05:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by westnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA26549 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:05:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:05:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Zanen cap kit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Clay Cowgill wrote: > (Of course you realize, Ed, that if you ever buy another ESB kit from me > you're going to get a 30lb, 200A, house mains switch soldered onto the > end of some 22gauge wire...) Actually, that could be cool. Big box with a lever on the side mounted to the wall, double-ought cable comming out of the back of the cab to the switch. Friends ask, "What does that do ???" "Switches from Star Wars to Empire Strikes Back" "That's IT????" "It switches from Empire Strikes Back to Star Wars too." ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From ClayC Thu Feb 4 17:15:57 1999 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id RAA00077 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17: