Testing Concerns

From owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 1 08:05:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA12036 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:05:33 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23804 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 04:55:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010201075425.01955920@207.69.200.225> X-Sender: us001378@207.69.200.225 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 08:00:04 -0500 To: vectorlist From: Jon Raiford Subject: Re: VECTOR: Major Havoc - No video In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I haven't traced your symptoms, but I would suggest running through the Tempest troubleshooting guide (the html version online). Since the game plays blind, that means the AVG isn't hanging on you.. That might be a good sign. If you replaced all of those chips, I would double check your soldering to make sure you hit the traces on top of the board. I would also suggest checking your power supply. When big blue's die, they do some weird things. Check all of your voltages w/ a scope if you can and see if they are clean. etc. etc. etc. Good Luck :) Jon At 11:40 PM 1/31/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Hello folks, > > Got a new Major Havoc problem. No video - even in test mode. Game plays blind. When I turn up the brightness on the monitor, I see a red line that kind of looks like an L and seems to change a bit, but not much. Spot killer is on though under normal monitor conditions. Replaced about 85% of the chips on the board (including every chip in the to Video out section I mean 6012s, TL084s, 13201s, 082, all of them - with known working chips). The only chips on the board I didn't replace are some in the rows 5,4,3, 2, and 1 - higher than H. But according to the schematics, it looks like those are responsible for the actual code execution and that seems to be working fine since the game plays - but blind. > > I am out of moves. I don't know what to do next. I know the monitor works - tested with other board. The chips I used to replace were from a "new" stock - randomly tested in a working board - they work. ROMS, RAMS, CPUs, Pokeys, and AVG chips all known working - were tested in another board. > > At this point I am at a loss. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks >Andy > >Andrew Evrovski >HPC Development Director >Cyberplex >t: 902.429.4721 ext.109 >f: 902.423.0899 >www.cyberplex.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . 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From owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 1 08:46:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17145 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:46:27 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23948 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 05:32:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: "Ted Patton" To: Subject: VECTOR: New List Member Introduction Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:32:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Hello: My name is Ted and I live in Pennsylvania near Philadelphia. I have owned a Space Fury machine since 1989. 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From owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 1 09:03:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA19805 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:03:56 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23986 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 05:49:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010201084542.01a5fef8 > X-Sender: clayberg (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 08:48:19 -0500 To: vectorlist From: Eric Clayberg Subject: Re: VECTOR: New List Member Introduction In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO >I have owned a Space Fury machine since 1989. I have collected some >marques and parts for the other Sega vector games. 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From owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 1 10:02:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA29288 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:02:56 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24215 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 06:44:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 07:37:17 -0700 From: John Butler Subject: VECTOR: Testing Concerns To: vectorlist Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9R858DzLsEnnj2X6Dw5OmQ)" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_9R858DzLsEnnj2X6Dw5OmQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have an untested Sega Color Vector monitor that I am wanting to test. I have a working Space Fury and just want to verify that I would be safe in just plugging the monitor in and testing, after cleaning and visual inspection etc. I just don't want to somehow fry my Space Duel board. Also, what about testing other boards? Possible to destroy the monitor? I have a 200 MHz scope that I have no idea how to use, that I would love to use to test these. Anyone in AZ want to have a tech party? The reason I am wanting to do this test is that I have a Sit down Star Trek machine that I will be selling as a project. It was converted to some Jamma Game, but the art is in decent shape. I want to know if the monitor works, as I am sure that adds to the value. I really wanted to do this project, but I just have not had time and shockingly, I am out of room. If there is anybody in the Phoenix area that is looking for a nice Sit Down Star Trek let me know. Oh, what was the final verdict on selling in V-list? Is it still as long as a vector deal is in place that it is OK? I had to leave the list for a while and missed the results, and don't know where the FAQ is. Thanks, John --Boundary_(ID_9R858DzLsEnnj2X6Dw5OmQ) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Testing Concerns

I have an untested Sega Color Vector = monitor that I am wanting to test. I have a working Space Fury and just = want to verify that I would be safe in just plugging the monitor in and = testing, after cleaning and visual inspection etc. I just don't = want to somehow fry my Space Duel board. Also, what about testing = other boards? Possible to destroy the monitor? I have a 200 = MHz scope that I have no idea how to use, that I would love to use to = test these. Anyone in AZ want to have a tech party?

The reason I am wanting to do this = test is that I have a Sit down Star Trek machine that I will be selling = as a project. It was converted to some Jamma Game, but the art is = in decent shape. I want to know if the monitor works, as I am = sure that adds to the value. I really wanted to do this project, = but I just have not had time and shockingly, I am out of room. =

If there is anybody in the Phoenix = area that is looking for a nice Sit Down Star Trek let me know. =

Oh, what was the final verdict on = selling in V-list? Is it still as long as a vector deal is in = place that it is OK? I had to leave the list for a while and = missed the results, and don't know where the FAQ is.

Thanks,

John

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From owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 1 10:11:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA30676 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:11:47 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24280 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 06:57:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: FBowen Subject: Re: VECTOR: Testing Concerns To: vectorlist X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2c February 2, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:55:11 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on BALRELAY/MD/CheckFree(Release 5.0.4a |July 24, 2000) at 02/01/2001 09:57:56 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by synthcom.com id GAA24277 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO AFAIK, you just need to put "FS: " w/o the double quotes at the front of the subject so it will hit the filters of people who don't want to see those types of messages. John Butler cc: Sent by: Subject: VECTOR: Testing Concerns owner-vectorlist@sy nthcom.com 02/01/2001 09:37 AM Please respond to vectorlist Oh, what was the final verdict on selling in V-list? Is it still as long as a vector deal is in place that it is OK? I had to leave the list for a while and missed the results, and don't know where the FAQ is. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 1 11:18:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09527 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:18:39 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24493 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:00:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:00:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: VECTOR: Major Havoc - No video In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010201075425.01955920@207.69.200.225> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO > Got a new Major Havoc problem. No video - even in test mode. > Game plays blind. When I turn up the brightness on the monitor, I see a > red line that kind of looks like an L and seems to change a bit, but not > much. Spot killer is on though under normal monitor conditions. You don't mention,but -- have you tried swapping monitors with another game, to verify it IS in fact the board ? I've said it before -- if you own vector games, buy an oscilloscope with an X/Y mode. I got a cheap 20mhz model from Tech America on a closeout years ago for about $250, and I haven't regretted it. Sure, I can't do much else with it, but $250 << $1,000. It's a cheap, portable spare XY monitor, AND can compare the waveforms comming out of a game board. In fact -- radioshack.com currently has an Instek GOS-620 20mhz dual channel scope on sale for $249.99 . I found another page that mentions it even has a Z input. This isn't the one I have, so I can't say anything about this one specificly, but I would say that a scope is your best friend for troubleshooting vector games. Buy it -- scrimp on beer this month, tell your SO this is what you want for Valentine's day -- you won't regret it. :-) -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Feb 1 11:25:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10801 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:25:54 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24526 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:06:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: From: "Evrovski, Andrew" To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: VECTOR: Major Havoc - No video Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:04:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C08C68.B9816008" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08C68.B9816008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for your input, Jon. I will start checking those. As for the power supply, I have tested my friend's Major Havoc (I am using his as a guinea pig) and his works fine in that same cabinet under the same conditions, so I think it's safe to assume that the cabinet and wiring is kosher. (is that a fair assumption?) I have also checked the voltages on the board at various keys (+/-15 good, +5s good, etc). No swing on the X&Y outs to speak of. If I assume that I didn't screw up any traces (let's pretend I didn't since it is exhibiting the same issues as it did when I started this blasted thing - although I will go back and check the 50 or so chips I socketed... :-)), where might I concentrate my efforts? In the actual vector gen area? or look back to resistors, caps, etc in the Video out section? Thanks again for your help. Cheers Andy -----Original Message----- From: Jon Raiford [mailto:raiford ] Sent: February 1, 2001 09:00 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Major Havoc - No video I haven't traced your symptoms, but I would suggest running through the Tempest troubleshooting guide (the html version online). Since the game plays blind, that means the AVG isn't hanging on you.. That might be a good sign. If you replaced all of those chips, I would double check your soldering to make sure you hit the traces on top of the board. I would also suggest checking your power supply. When big blue's die, they do some weird things. Check all of your voltages w/ a scope if you can and see if they are clean. etc. etc. etc. Good Luck :) Jon At 11:40 PM 1/31/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Hello folks, > > Got a new Major Havoc problem. No video - even in test mode. Game plays blind. When I turn up the brightness on the monitor, I see a red line that kind of looks like an L and seems to change a bit, but not much. Spot killer is on though under normal monitor conditions. Replaced about 85% of the chips on the board (including every chip in the to Video out section I mean 6012s, TL084s, 13201s, 082, all of them - with known working chips). The only chips on the board I didn't replace are some in the rows 5,4,3, 2, and 1 - higher than H. But according to the schematics, it looks like those are responsible for the actual code execution and that seems to be working fine since the game plays - but blind. > > I am out of moves. I don't know what to do next. I know the monitor works - tested with other board. The chips I used to replace were from a "new" stock - randomly tested in a working board - they work. ROMS, RAMS, CPUs, Pokeys, and AVG chips all known working - were tested in another board. > > At this point I am at a loss. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks >Andy > >Andrew Evrovski >HPC Development Director >Cyberplex >t: 902.429.4721 ext.109 >f: 902.423.0899 >www.cyberplex.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08C68.B9816008 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: VECTOR: Major Havoc - No video

Thanks for your input, Jon. I will start = checking those. As for the power supply, I have tested my = friend's Major Havoc (I am using his as a guinea pig) and his works = fine in that same cabinet under the same conditions, so I think it's = safe to assume that the cabinet and wiring is kosher. (is that a = fair assumption?) I have also checked the voltages on the board = at various keys (+/-15 good, +5s good, etc). No swing on the = X&Y outs to speak of.

If I assume that I didn't screw up any traces (let's = pretend I didn't since it is exhibiting the same issues as it did when = I started this blasted thing - although I will go back and check the 50 = or so chips I socketed... :-)), where might I concentrate my = efforts? In the actual vector gen area? or look back to = resistors, caps, etc in the Video out section?

Thanks again for your help.

Cheers
Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Raiford [= ]
Sent: February 1, 2001 09:00
To: vectorlist
Subject: Re: VECTOR: Major Havoc - No video

I haven't traced your symptoms, but I would suggest = running through the Tempest troubleshooting guide (the html version = online). Since the game plays blind, that means the AVG isn't = hanging on you.. That might be a good sign. If you replaced all = of those chips, I would double check your soldering to make sure you = hit the traces on top of the board. I would also suggest checking = your power supply. When big blue's die, they do some weird = things. Check all of your voltages w/ a scope if you can and see = if they are clean. etc. etc. etc.

Good Luck :)

Jon

At 11:40 PM 1/31/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello folks,
>
> = Got a new Major Havoc problem. No video - even in test = mode. Game plays blind. When I turn up the brightness on = the monitor, I see a red line that kind of looks like an L and seems to = change a bit, but not much. Spot killer is on though under normal = monitor conditions. Replaced about 85% of the chips on the board = (including every chip in the to Video out section I mean 6012s, = TL084s, 13201s, 082, all of them - with known working chips). The = only chips on the board I didn't replace are some in the rows 5,4,3, 2, = and 1 - higher than H. But according to the schematics, it looks = like those are responsible for the actual code execution and that seems = to be working fine since the game plays - but blind.

>
> = I am out of moves. I don't know what to do next. I know the = monitor works - tested with other board. The chips I used to = replace were from a "new" stock - randomly tested in a = working board - they work. ROMS, RAMS, CPUs, Pokeys, and AVG = chips all known working - were tested in another board. =

>
> = At this point I am at a loss. Any help would be greatly = appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>Andy
>
>Andrew Evrovski
>HPC Development Director
>Cyberplex
>t: 902.429.4721 ext.109
>f: 902.423.0899
>www.cyberplex.com

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I know = exactly the ones you are talking about. I will check those = puppies.

Thanks Again
Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Raiford [= ]
Sent: February 1, 2001 12:51
To: vectorlist
Subject: RE: VECTOR: Major Havoc - No video

I have had problems in the past with the metallic = looking axial caps near the power regulators above the vector output = section. I don't recall what their purpose was, but I remember = having to replace them. I'm not sure if that helps you, but they = are easy enough to pull and test :)

Jon

At 11:04 AM 2/1/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>Thanks for your input, Jon. I will start = checking those. As for the power supply, I have tested my = friend's Major Havoc (I am using his as a guinea pig) and his works = fine in that same cabinet under the same conditions, so I think it's = safe to assume that the cabinet and wiring is kosher. (is that a = fair assumption?) I have also checked the voltages on the board = at various keys (+/-15 good, +5s good, etc). No swing on the = X&Y outs to speak of.

>
>If I assume that I didn't screw up any traces = (let's pretend I didn't since it is exhibiting the same issues as it = did when I started this blasted thing - although I will go back and = check the 50 or so chips I socketed... :-)), where might I concentrate = my efforts? In the actual vector gen area? or look back to = resistors, caps, etc in the Video out section?

>
>Thanks again for your help.
>
>Cheers
>Andy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jon Raiford [<= >= ]
>Sent: February 1, 2001 09:00
>To: vectorlist
>Subject: Re: VECTOR: Major Havoc - No video =
>
>I haven't traced your symptoms, but I would = suggest running through the Tempest troubleshooting guide (the html = version online). Since the game plays blind, that means the AVG = isn't hanging on you.. That might be a good sign. If you replaced = all of those chips, I would double check your soldering to make sure = you hit the traces on top of the board. I would also suggest = checking your power supply. When big blue's die, they do some = weird things. Check all of your voltages w/ a scope if you can = and see if they are clean. etc. etc. etc.

>
>Good Luck :)
>
>Jon
>
>At 11:40 PM 1/31/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >Hello folks,
> >
> = > Got a new Major = Havoc problem. No video - even in test mode. Game plays = blind. When I turn up the brightness on the monitor, I see a red = line that kind of looks like an L and seems to change a bit, but not = much. Spot killer is on though under normal monitor = conditions. Replaced about 85% of the chips on the board = (including every chip in the to Video out section I mean 6012s, = TL084s, 13201s, 082, all of them - with known working chips). The = only chips on the board I didn't replace are some in the rows 5,4,3, 2, = and 1 - higher than H. But according to the schematics, it looks = like those are responsible for the actual code execution and that seems = to be working fine since the game plays - but blind.

>
> >
> = > I am out of = moves. I don't know what to do next. I know the monitor = works - tested with other board. The chips I used to replace were = from a "new" stock - randomly tested in a working board - = they work. ROMS, RAMS, CPUs, Pokeys, and AVG chips all known = working - were tested in another board.

>
> >
> = > At this point I am = at a loss. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Andy
> >
> >Andrew Evrovski
> >HPC Development Director
> >Cyberplex
> >t: 902.429.4721 ext.109
> >f: 902.423.0899
> >www.cyberplex.com
>
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