From Anders_Knudsen Wed Jul 1 19:12:46 1998 Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic.adaptec.com [208.236.45.80]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id TAA17731 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:12:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kingdom.adaptec.com (kingdom [162.62.162.10]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05607 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from btc.btc.adaptec.com (btc.btc.adaptec.com [162.62.63.6]) by kingdom.adaptec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA26876 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807020011.RAA26876 > Received: from alderaan (alderaan.btc.adaptec.com [162.62.63.46]) by btc.btc.adaptec.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA19057 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:11:28 -0600 X-Sender: andersk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 18:13:37 -0600 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Anders Knudsen Subject: LV2000 almost gone... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" OK, just wanted to let vectorlist people know that I am down to my last 100 LV2000 kits. So I won't have to eat my inventory cost on the parts, I am only selling them in kit form. Either unassembled PCB with a bag of parts and instructions, or assembled LV2000 with installation instructions. I will give some kind of volume discount for orders of 10+ kits on an individual basis. Email me if you need more than 10. Also, once these 100 are gone, then that's probably it for the LV2000 (unless there is a big demand for more), since I'll have to make another fab run of the PCBs. BTW: Jeff H. (who will be handling the remaining orders) will be posting this same information on RGV in the next couple of days. Thanks! -Anders. New order form follows: Please print* and send the order form with your payment: * Use Courier font (or other mono-spaced font) when printing! ====================================================================== LV2000 Order Form ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DATE: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Send check or money order to: Jeff Hendrix 9653 Humboldt Street Thornton, CO 80229 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ship to: __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Your email address: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- QUANTITY DESCRIPTION PRICE EACH TOTAL -------- ------------------ -------------- --------- [ ] Unassembled Kits $ 20.00 _________ [ ] Assembled Kit $ 35.00 _________ Sub-Total: _________ Shipping: 3.00 TOTAL: ========== ====================================================================== ----------------------------------------- | Anders Knudsen | ASIC Design Engineer | Adaptec, Inc., Longmont, CO | anders_knudsen | http://www.adaptec.com ========================================= From a-dashoe Wed Jul 1 19:53:33 1998 Received: from mail1.microsoft.com (mail1.microsoft.com [131.107.3.125]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id TAA26547 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:53:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: by INET-IMC-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2328.0) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:53:02 -0700 Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D03E3F70F > From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" , "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" Subject: RE: Using a logic analyzer on vector boards Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:52:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2328.0) This was a touch odd. I just tried sending this message (and I can't tell if it went through or not as we don't get echo back). But the list server told me I couldn't post at I was not subscribed. That might explain why I have not seen any mail for a while but I definitely have not asked to be removed. So I resubscribed. Hopefully everyone didn't get lost. So now back to my original message: > I just picked up a HP 1630D logic analyzer (32 channel 400mhz). It cost > me somewhere around an arm and a leg :) And now I am wondering if anyone > here has used a logic analyzer on vector boards. I am thinking Atari > boards in particular (BZ, Gravitar, Quantum). > > If anyone has used one (on vector or not) I could probably use some hints. > > All this because I still can't find a cat box. If anyone has one for sale > in the single leg price range (only have one left) I am really interested. > > Thanks, > David > > From mowerman Wed Jul 1 20:01:40 1998 Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id UAA27319 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 20:01:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-109-101.s38.as2.war.erols.com [207.172.109.101]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13037 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359ADB98.12C4D0A > Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 21:00:08 -0400 From: Kev X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: LV2000 almost gone... References: <199807020011.RAA26876 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anders Knudsen wrote: > OK, just wanted to let vectorlist people know that I am down to my last 100 > LV2000 kits. So are you going to begin work on designing the bullet proof G-08 and I guess Clay will have the input corrector & perhaps the Cinematronics -> WG adapter ready too? :-) -- Kev Mowerman >>REMOVE THE ? to REPLY Looking for Pac-Man related hacks & Video Game Coin Op Page -> http://www.erols.com/mowerman From computerspace Wed Jul 1 22:08:41 1998 Received: from hotmail.com (f193.hotmail.com [207.82.251.82]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with SMTP id WAA23675 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:08:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 22333 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 1998 03:08:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19980702030809.22332.qmail > Received: from 207.211.22.167 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 20:08:08 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.211.22.167] From: "Tom Cloud" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: LV2000 almost gone... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 20:08:08 PDT Now, I'd buy BOTH of those!!!! Let me know where to send the check! ;^) Regards, Tom From owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Wed Jul 1 18:03:26 1998 >Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with SMTP id UAA27352; > Wed, 1 Jul 1998 20:02:06 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) > by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id UAA27319 > for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 20:01:40 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from erols.com (207-172-109-101.s38.as2.war.erols.com [207.172.109.101]) > by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13037 > for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:01:38 -0400 (EDT) >Message-Id: <359ADB98.12C4D0A > >Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 21:00:08 -0400 >Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu >Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu >Precedence: bulk From: Kev >To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu >Subject: Re: LV2000 almost gone... >References: <199807020011.RAA26876 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) >X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > > > >Anders Knudsen wrote: > >> OK, just wanted to let vectorlist people know that I am down to my last 100 >> LV2000 kits. > >So are you going to begin work on designing the bullet proof G-08 and I guess >Clay will have the input corrector & perhaps the Cinematronics -> WG adapter >ready too? :-) > > >-- >Kev Mowerman >>REMOVE THE ? to REPLY > >Looking for Pac-Man related hacks & Video Game > >Coin Op Page -> http://www.erols.com/mowerman > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jwelser Thu Jul 2 01:02:30 1998 Received: from piglet.cc.utexas.edu (jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu [128.83.42.61]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id BAA02060 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:02:30 -0500 (CDT) From: jwelser Received: from localhost (jwelser@localhost) by piglet.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/piglet.mc-1.4) with SMTP id BAA20595 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:02:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:02:33 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Using a logic analyzer on vector boards In-Reply-To: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D03E3F70F > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech) wrote: > This was a touch odd. I just tried sending this message (and I can't tell > if it went through or not as we don't get echo back). But the list server > told me I couldn't post at I was not subscribed. That might explain why I > have not seen any mail for a while but I definitely have not asked to be > removed. So I resubscribed. Hopefully everyone didn't get lost. > It looked like you used a different email address than you normally use. You have to use the email address that you're subscribed to the list with to post to the list. Any posts from anyone not subscribed will NOT go to the list. This prevents people not subscribed to the list from spamming the list, etc. As you found out, it also might be a bit inconvenient, too, but I think, inherently, the benefits outweigh the inconvenience. Joe From jwelser Thu Jul 2 10:58:50 1998 Received: from piglet.cc.utexas.edu (jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu [128.83.42.61]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id KAA04907 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:58:50 -0500 (CDT) From: jwelser Received: from localhost (jwelser@localhost) by piglet.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/piglet.mc-1.4) with SMTP id KAA00583 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:58:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:58:54 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Using a logic analyzer on vector boards In-Reply-To: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D03E3F70F > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech) wrote: > So now back to my original message: > > > I just picked up a HP 1630D logic analyzer (32 channel 400mhz). It cost > > me somewhere around an arm and a leg :) And now I am wondering if anyone > > here has used a logic analyzer on vector boards. I am thinking Atari > > boards in particular (BZ, Gravitar, Quantum). > > > > If anyone has used one (on vector or not) I could probably use some hints. > > > > All this because I still can't find a cat box. If anyone has one for sale > > in the single leg price range (only have one left) I am really interested. Here is my question to the list: Why exactly does anybody need a Cat Box? I was talking to Joel in email a few days ago, and I found out that you can do signature analysis on the Mathboxes without a Cat Box (just jumper some conductors on the test connector) with an ordinary 5004. I've been fiddling with putting CPUs into "NOP mode" these past few days, and I see no reason why you couldn't do that to troubleshoot the CPU, and then use signature analysis to troubleshoot the mathbox (without a CAT box) I've seen references to using signature analysis to troubleshoot CPU boards in nop mode, with Space Invaders, and with Atari boards, (of course there's Cinematronics boards, too, but they're a little different since the CPU isn't in NOP mode) and I've been fooling around with Gottlieb boards and signature analysis. Which brings me back to my original question. Why does anybody need a CAT box anyway? Joe From ClayC Thu Jul 2 12:09:26 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id MAA19823 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:09:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA21879 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma021870; Thu, 2 Jul 98 10:09:14 -0700 Received: from vanmail1.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa06526; 2 Jul 98 10:09 PDT Received: by vanmail1.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3CLSGDA7>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:09:14 -0700 Message-ID: <31452DBFA5F7D111B90D006097C401E30ACA1A > From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Using a logic analyzer on vector boards Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:09:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > > I just picked up a HP 1630D logic analyzer (32 channel 400mhz). It > cost > > me somewhere around an arm and a leg :) And now I am wondering if > anyone > > here has used a logic analyzer on vector boards. I am thinking > Atari > > boards in particular (BZ, Gravitar, Quantum). > I've used my Tek on a couple of occasions, but mostly to verify operation of something else I was hacking in. I find logic analyzers really handy for debugging stuff I *understand*, but for some random fault on a vectorboard they can be kinda tough... > > > If anyone has used one (on vector or not) I could probably use some > hints. > They're *really* handy for hacking/cracking type endeavors. Particularly if you have mnemonic disassembly capability and pre-made processor clips. ;-) Since they can trigger on specific addresses or data content it's good for telling if code is making it to a certain point, or even for checking stuff like memory mapped I/O. In my most recent project I used mine to store only accesses to I/O space on a Z-80 so I could see what addresses were being used to trigger some encryption... It also makes a good "multichannel" logic probe. Hook up a few lines to the inputs of something and use a few more lines to watch the outputs. Good for learning how complex things interact since you can watch all the inputs, watch the outputs, and watch intermediate signals as well. If you have print capabilities just capturing a trace log and printing it out to look over is nice. Or of you have a game that sort-a runs, but dies mysteriously they're good for capturing those last milliseconds before it resets. (The capture buffer usually has a programmable trigger, so it's easy to trigger on the watchdog reset, but the trace buffer still "records" all the events leading up to the watchdog tripping.) > > All this because I still can't find a cat box. If anyone has one > for sale > > in the single leg price range (only have one left) I am really > interested. > Save a foot for the device programmer from me! (Or should I see if Chris still wants it?) -Clay From a-dashoe Thu Jul 2 14:06:24 1998 Received: from mail2.microsoft.com (mail2.microsoft.com [131.107.3.124]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id OAA13412 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:06:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mail2-b.microsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2166.0) id ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:05:53 -0700 Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D03E3F718 > From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Using a logic analyzer on vector boards Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:05:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2166.0) The idea for the Cat Box is to give you much more than just signatures. It allows you to read out particular addresses in memory as if you were the CPU (checking all data paths in the process. And push in values to an address (same deal from the other side). Along with being able to do something like pull the CPU out of a BZ and push in a couple of addresses into the vector generator and get a known picture. The docs tell you just how to put in the "code" for a square on an Asteroids. This lets you check the entire vector generator subsection with a very small known good set of signals that have nothing to do with the rooms or CPU. Same deal if you are trying to check out any other I/O. You can see the value as if you were the CPU. Much easier to track the path that way. Then there is its ram / ROM checking features. Push out a value into a ram address then read it back. If it gets garbled you can track down just how and why pretty easy, it does have 4K automatic checks (this could be updated in a tester in a chip unit). Or check sum a ROM in circuit. That will tell you for sure if its a marginal ROM / bad socket / blown '244 etc. I hate fighting a ROM that check out good in the burner but doesn't seem to work in circuit. And so on. In case you couldn't tell, yes I am still very interested in reverse engineering this unit and building some repros. While there is a lot more that could be done beyond what it does now it would still be really valuable. David > ---------- > From: jwelser [SMTP:jwelser ] > Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 1998 8:58 AM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: RE: Using a logic analyzer on vector boards > > On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech) wrote: > > > So now back to my original message: > > > > > I just picked up a HP 1630D logic analyzer (32 channel 400mhz). It > cost > > > me somewhere around an arm and a leg :) And now I am wondering if > anyone > > > here has used a logic analyzer on vector boards. I am thinking Atari > > > boards in particular (BZ, Gravitar, Quantum). > > > > > > If anyone has used one (on vector or not) I could probably use some > hints. > > > > > > All this because I still can't find a cat box. If anyone has one for > sale > > > in the single leg price range (only have one left) I am really > interested. > > Here is my question to the list: Why exactly does anybody > need a Cat Box? I was talking to Joel in email a few days ago, and > I found out that you can do signature analysis on the Mathboxes > without a Cat Box (just jumper some conductors on the test connector) > with an ordinary 5004. > > I've been fiddling with putting CPUs into "NOP mode" these > past few days, and I see no reason why you couldn't do that to > troubleshoot the CPU, and then use signature analysis to troubleshoot > the mathbox (without a CAT box) > > I've seen references to using signature analysis to troubleshoot > CPU boards in nop mode, with Space Invaders, and with Atari boards, > (of course there's Cinematronics boards, too, but they're a little > different since the CPU isn't in NOP mode) and I've been fooling > around with Gottlieb boards and signature analysis. > > Which brings me back to my original question. Why does anybody > need a CAT box anyway? > > Joe > From djeffery Mon Jul 6 15:47:31 1998 Received: from mpsrv3.multipath.com (mpsrv3.multipath.com [204.92.253.123]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with SMTP id PAA00641 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:47:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from fife by mpsrv3.multipath.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA26495; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:44:41 -0400 From: djeffery (Doug Jefferys) Received: by fife (SMI-8.6) id QAA11071; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:47:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199807062047.QAA11071@fife> Subject: Oddball G05 setup To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:47:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Specifically, a G05 in an Asteroids cocktail, with a somewhat charred-looking heavy-gauge wire *shorting* across R100. What was the operator trying to accomplish, and did he succeed? The monitor works, but after having been in storage for a few years, the brightness/contrast seem a little off. If the rocks are bright enough to show up easily through the smoked glass, the saucers and bullets are very bright and blobby. I can tweak the brightness/contrast (and focus pot in the HV cage) to get an acceptable picture, but I have a hunch something's just not quite right with this beast. Any ideas? Later, Doug. -- Douglas W. Jefferys | Star Data Systems | Email: djeffery | From chris Mon Jul 6 20:47:19 1998 Received: from westnet.com (chris [206.24.6.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id UAA14475 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:47:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by westnet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA29207 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:47:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Perplexing Asteroids Board Question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've just been gifted with a working Asteroids board. Nice backup for my Cocktail table. However, it does rekindle a question I couldn't answer when I was fixing mine. What the *!@#!@#!! does the 4 position dip switch at M13 do ??? (Asteroids has a 8 pos dip that is documented, handles language/coinage options. And this 4 post I don't see documented anywhere) In testing it, I discovered that the new board's sounds were different too. Thrust was much lower, barely noticable comparatively. beep-bop lower in volume too. On investigation I noticed my old board was missing 2 caps: C67 and C64. I think it sounds better with those missing, should anyone feel like playing with their boards. Somewhat depressing though, that Asteroids was my favorite game growing up, and I never noticed the difference. ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From david.d.humphrey@bos.frb.org Tue Jul 7 08:20:01 1998 Received: from fed2.frb.org (firewall-user@fed2.frb.org [207.86.118.195]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with SMTP id IAA20074 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:20:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: by fed2.frb.org; id JAA19822; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:19:59 -0400 Received: from a1pmdf.a1fw.frb.org(192.168.11.12) by felix.frb.org via smap (3.2) id xma019755; Tue, 7 Jul 98 09:19:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 09:21:23 -0400 From: David Humphrey Subject: Asteroids CPU repair problems In-reply-to: X-Sender: david.d.humphrey@aberdeen.frb.org (Unverified) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-id: <9807071319.AA23356@a1emds.frb.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Demo Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone have ANY input on what might commonly (or uncommonly) go wrong with an Asteroids CPU? I'm still trying to fix this one, and it's a pain. I suppose if I had a Cat Box, I could get somewhere. Say, there's a thought. Did the Cat Box project ever get off the ground? Ace ---this signature removed as a result of the ridiculous culture pervasive in the "political correctness" movement of the 21st century. Under which, lawyers and politicians, greedy for money and full of their own inflated eqos, sought to attain such at the expense of freedom of speech, common sense, and most any form of humor...--- From jrr Tue Jul 7 11:52:04 1998 Received: from penelope.aktom.com (smtp.aktom.com [207.219.208.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with SMTP id LAA07524 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:50:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nvcr01m03-174.bctel.ca (nvcr01m03-174.bctel.ca [207.194.20.174]) by penelope.flippers.com (NTMail 3.03.0012/4c.abyd) with ESMTP id aa008736 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:58:47 +0100 Message-ID: <35A2525D.A291A1FC > Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 09:52:45 -0700 From: John Robertson Reply-To: jrr Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Asteroids CPU repair problems References: <9807071319.AA23356@a1emds.frb.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi David! What are the symptoms currently? Do the 2114's run hot? I just replaced ALL of them on an Asteroids board, and it worked aftword. They were ALL dead! Only other problem with the board at that point was a bad 74ls174 for the thump thump sound... Have you built a NOP for that cpu? Then checked with a scope for proper address count? John :-#)# John :-#)# David Humphrey wrote: > > Does anyone have ANY input on what might commonly (or uncommonly) > go wrong with an Asteroids CPU? I'm still trying to fix this one, and it's > a pain. I suppose if I had a Cat Box, I could get somewhere. > > Say, there's a thought. Did the Cat Box project ever get off the ground? > > Ace > ---this signature removed as a result of the ridiculous culture > pervasive in the "political correctness" movement of the 21st > century. Under which, lawyers and politicians, greedy for > money and full of their own inflated eqos, sought to attain > such at the expense of freedom of speech, common sense, > and most any form of humor...--- -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From chris Tue Jul 7 12:32:45 1998 Received: from westnet.com (chris [206.24.6.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id MAA19636 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:32:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by westnet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA19857 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:32:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Asteroids CPU repair problems In-Reply-To: <35A2525D.A291A1FC > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, John Robertson wrote: > What are the symptoms currently? Do the 2114's run hot? I just replaced Gee -- you seem to know a lot about Asteroids. Do YOU know what the extra 4 pos dip switch that isn't documented does ? :-) -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From jrr Tue Jul 7 13:07:02 1998 Received: from penelope.aktom.com (smtp.aktom.com [207.219.208.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with SMTP id NAA23002 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:07:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nvcr01m03-174.bctel.ca (nvcr01m03-174.bctel.ca [207.194.20.174]) by penelope.flippers.com (NTMail 3.03.0012/4c.abyd) with ESMTP id ha008743 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:15:17 +0100 Message-ID: <35A26448.72961E79 > Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 11:09:12 -0700 From: John Robertson Reply-To: jrr Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Asteroids CPU repair problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The did switch IS documented (at least in my manual) seems to be something to do with the coinage. Pg 7 of manual TM-143. I use these switches for changing the speed. You can change the rate the NMI is updated, this speeds up the game rather. John :-#)# Christopher X. Candreva wrote: > > On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, John Robertson wrote: > > > What are the symptoms currently? Do the 2114's run hot? I just replaced > > Gee -- you seem to know a lot about Asteroids. Do YOU know what the extra 4 > pos dip switch that isn't documented does ? > :-) > > -Chris > > ========================================================== > Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 > WestNet Internet Services of Westchester > http://www.westnet.com/ -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From joel-r Tue Jul 7 13:34:47 1998 Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id NAA02818 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:34:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hpanr0.an.hp.com (hpanr0.an.hp.com [15.4.147.21]) by palrel3.hp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5tis) with SMTP id LAA04308 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpanzzaw.an.hp.com by hpanr0.an.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.8/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA18105; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:34:43 -0400 Message-Id: <35A26AEF.7149 > Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:37:35 -0400 From: Joel Rosenzweig Reply-To: joel-r Organization: Hewlett-Packard Medical Products Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Amplifone +/- 24v regulation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone considered using large capacitors to hold the +/- 24V output from the voltage regulators, specifically to help keep the screen from expanding/shrinking during the Death Star explosion? Would it be better to just add a beefier regulator? I was just thinking that we could do just what the car stereo fanatics do when they want to keep their amps running well under heavy demand. Seems to me that we could do something similar for the HV section here. Joel- From jwelser Tue Jul 7 13:45:39 1998 Received: from piglet.cc.utexas.edu (jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu [128.83.42.61]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id NAA04096 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:45:38 -0500 (CDT) From: jwelser Received: from localhost (jwelser@localhost) by piglet.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/piglet.mc-1.4) with SMTP id NAA28606 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:45:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:45:44 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Asteroids CPU repair problems In-Reply-To: <9807071319.AA23356@a1emds.frb.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, David Humphrey wrote: > Does anyone have ANY input on what might commonly (or uncommonly) > go wrong with an Asteroids CPU? I'm still trying to fix this one, and it's > a pain. I suppose if I had a Cat Box, I could get somewhere. What's wrong with it? Does it beep at you in self-test mode? I've found the self-test to be pretty helpful on those boards. If it doesn't, check/disable the watchdog reset circuit and see if things get better. The ROMS, especially if they're masked ROMS, tend to go bad on the old Atari B/W XY stuff. > Say, there's a thought. Did the Cat Box project ever get off the ground? No. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If someone will build the switch PCB, I'll do the logic PCB. So far there've been no volunteers. The switch PCB is NASTY, and I'm not going to get stuck doing it too. People were talking about building a PC interface, which I think is the way to go (unfortunately, I know nothing about using the Serial/Parallel ports of a PC, or about writing software for PCs) Joe From jwelser Tue Jul 7 13:53:14 1998 Received: from piglet.cc.utexas.edu (jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu [128.83.42.61]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id NAA05005 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:53:13 -0500 (CDT) From: jwelser Received: from localhost (jwelser@localhost) by piglet.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/piglet.mc-1.4) with SMTP id NAA00850 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:53:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:53:21 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Amplifone +/- 24v regulation In-Reply-To: <35A26AEF.7149 > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Joel Rosenzweig wrote: > Has anyone considered using large capacitors to hold the +/- 24V output > from the voltage regulators, specifically to help keep the screen from > expanding/shrinking during the Death Star explosion? > > Would it be better to just add a beefier regulator? > > I was just thinking that we could do just what the car stereo fanatics > do when they want to keep their amps running well under heavy demand. > Seems to me that we could do something similar for the HV section here. It would probably be pretty simple. All that would be needed would be to add some pass transistors to the outputs of the regulators. Probably a drop-in replacement cound be done that was just as nice as the LV2000. Have it drop in to the spots where the +-24V regulators are now and it would just be an LM317/LM337 and 2 pass-transistors, plus all the related adjustment and protection stuff. The pass-transistors could probably even be T0-220 package types, since I don't think the 78/7924s put out that much current at all. Joe From chris Tue Jul 7 14:08:20 1998 Received: from westnet.com (chris [206.24.6.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id OAA07765 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:08:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by westnet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA28243 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:08:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Asteroids CPU repair problems In-Reply-To: <35A26448.72961E79 > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, John Robertson wrote: > The did switch IS documented (at least in my manual) seems to be I have a sneaking suspicion I'm going to feel like an idiot when I get home tonight. Maybe I have a defective manual, but I went through that thing and never found it. Thanks ! ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From david.d.humphrey@bos.frb.org Tue Jul 7 14:26:43 1998 Received: from fed2.frb.org (firewall-user@fed2.frb.org [207.86.118.195]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with SMTP id OAA17860 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:26:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: by fed2.frb.org; id PAA02664; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:26:38 -0400 Received: from a1pmdf.a1fw.frb.org(192.168.11.12) by felix.frb.org via smap (3.2) id xma002460; Tue, 7 Jul 98 15:26:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 15:27:43 -0400 From: David Humphrey Subject: Re: Asteroids CPU repair problems In-reply-to: X-Sender: david.d.humphrey@aberdeen.frb.org (Unverified) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-id: <9807071926.AA32027@a1emds.frb.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Demo Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <9807071319.AA23356@a1emds.frb.org> To answer a couple of questions at once: John wrote: >What are the symptoms currently? Do the 2114's run hot? I just replaced >ALL of them on an Asteroids board, and it worked aftword. They were ALL >dead! Only other problem with the board at that point was a bad 74ls174 >for the thump thump sound... >Have you built a NOP for that cpu? Then checked with a scope for proper >address count? Yep. Replaced them. It's funny you should mention them, it seems to me also that when one of these goes (beep beep, boooop!) they all go also! I assume that you are talking about the 4 vector RAM chips. Strangely, I don't normally see the program RAM chips (the two in the first row) go bad as often... Now this NOP thingy you speak of. Nope. Haven't built that. Probably should if I knew what one was... So! If you could give me an idea of what to do with one, I'd be VERY interested in hearing about it. I've replaced about 18 chips in the board now, and still haven't found the problem. I KNOW it's a watchdog problem, but can't seem to nail it down it's almost like the system is too SLOW to stop the count, not that it doesn't try to... Say THANKS for the thump thump sound chip hint. Could you tell me what chip location that one is? Joe wrote: > What's wrong with it? Busted. Fragged. Bad Watchdog circuitry. > Does it beep at you in self-test mode? Nope. Doesn't do even that. > If it doesn't, check/disable the watchdog reset circuit and see >if things get better. The ROMS, especially if they're masked ROMS, >tend to go bad on the old Atari B/W XY stuff. Tried that. Disable the watchdog, and the thing squeels at me, while the LED on the monitor stays lit. It seems to be a bad vector engine. Checked the ROM's, they're OK... > No. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If someone >will build the switch PCB, I'll do the logic PCB. So far there've >been no volunteers. The switch PCB is NASTY, and I'm not going to get >stuck doing it too. People were talking about building a PC interface, >which I think is the way to go (unfortunately, I know nothing about using >the Serial/Parallel ports of a PC, or about writing software for PCs) OK. ok. what's the switch PCB, maybe I can get involved. "just a minute dear, I'll be right up..." heh-heh-heh, my poor wife! Ace ---this signature removed as a result of the ridiculous culture pervasive in the "political correctness" movement of the 21st century. Under which, lawyers and politicians, greedy for money and full of their own inflated eqos, sought to attain such at the expense of freedom of speech, common sense, and most any form of humor...--- From a-dashoe Tue Jul 7 14:29:49 1998 Received: from mail5.microsoft.com (mail5.microsoft.com [131.107.3.121]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id OAA18910 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:29:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: by INET-IMC-05 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2328.0) id <3GWZQMB4>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:29:17 -0700 Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D03E3F737 > From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Asteroids CPU repair problems Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:29:09 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2328.0) Hey there Joe, > No. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If someone > will build the switch PCB, I'll do the logic PCB. So far there've > been no volunteers. The switch PCB is NASTY, and I'm not going to get > stuck doing it too. People were talking about building a PC interface, > which I think is the way to go (unfortunately, I know nothing about using > the Serial/Parallel ports of a PC, or about writing software for PCs) > I am not sure I understand the problem with the switch PCB, but I am happy to tackle it to the best of my ability. Do you think you can get the logic PCB "on a chip"? I can work on the PC part easy enough if that is what works out to be the best. I know my way around PC software pretty well. David From ClayC Tue Jul 7 15:00:05 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id PAA23529 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:00:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA28351 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma028347; Tue, 7 Jul 98 12:59:39 -0700 Received: from vanmail1.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa22716; 7 Jul 98 12:59 PDT Received: by vanmail1.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3CLSG1QB>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:59:39 -0700 Message-ID: <31452DBFA5F7D111B90D006097C401E30ACA4A > From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Asteroids CPU repair problems Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:59:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > No. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If someone > will build the switch PCB, I'll do the logic PCB. So far there've > been no volunteers. The switch PCB is NASTY, and I'm not going to get > stuck doing it too. People were talking about building a PC > interface, > which I think is the way to go (unfortunately, I know nothing about > using > the Serial/Parallel ports of a PC, or about writing software for PCs) > Maybe one of those 48 bit general purpose I/O cards (sorry Al, I think they're mostly ISA) is the way to go? Seems like they were reasonably priced (~$80) and don't require any up-front engineering on our part. (A long while back Werner and I were thinking about using one of those in conjunction with one of the CPU emulation cores to make a PC-based ICE. Probably wouldn't do realtime (ISA I/O is pretty slow) emulation, but would get pretty close for old 1-4Mhz stuff. Probably be good for most arcade games as long as the video wasn't generated by the main CPU...) -Clay From zonn Tue Jul 7 15:10:07 1998 Received: from mail.mis.isidesign.com (mail.mis.isidesign.com [205.230.20.20]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id PAA24836 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:10:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from SHAD.isidesign.com ([10.13.0.106]) by mail.mis.isidesign.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id NR8H6JJX; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:10:22 -0700 From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Amplifone +/- 24v regulation Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 20:09:52 GMT Message-ID: <35a474f9.1176911542 > References: In-Reply-To: <35A26AEF.7149 > X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id PAA24837 On Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:37:35 -0400, Joel Rosenzweig wrote: >Has anyone considered using large capacitors to hold the +/- 24V output >from the voltage regulators, specifically to help keep the screen from >expanding/shrinking during the Death Star explosion? > >Would it be better to just add a beefier regulator? > >I was just thinking that we could do just what the car stereo fanatics >do when they want to keep their amps running well under heavy demand. >Seems to me that we could do something similar for the HV section here. The unregulated voltage is not dropping too low, so bigger caps won't help (and if that were the case, better regulation wouldn't help either). What happens is that the 7x24's can't supply enough current. You could lower the value of the 50 ohm pass resistor, but that will reduce the 7x24's ability to regulate and the vectors will not be as stable. The thing to do is add pass transistors that beef up the current capacities of the 7824/7924. The new pass transistors must be heatsinked (so you'll have to find a heatsink to mount the transistors to). The ideal transistors would be the standard 2N3716 and 2N3792 already used in the WG for this. Just leave the 7x24s where they are, remove the 50 ohm power resistors, and connect the base and collector of the pass transistors in place of the 50 ohm resistors. (The base goes to the input of the regulator, and the collector goes to the output.) Cut a trace in the PCB just in front of the input of the 7824/7924 and jumper the cut with a 5 ~ 7 ohm 1/2 resistor. Connect the emitter of the pass transistor to the side of the cut that's not connected to the regulator, and walla, a mucho beefed up regulator. ASCII art: (Old Circuit) 50 ohm +-----/\/\/----+ | | | ------- | +unreg ----------+----|7824 |---+---- +24v reg ------- | | --- - (New Circuit) +------------+--- ----------+ | \ / | | V / 2N3792 | | 6 ohm 1/2 watt ----- | | +--/\/\/---+ | | | | | | ------- | +unreg ---+--+---X X----+-----+----|7824 |---+---- +24v reg ^ ------- Cut trace here | | --- - Do the same thing with the 7924 side, but use the 2N3716 as the pass transistor. I haven't done this to an Amplifone, but the circuit is right out of the National Voltage Handbook. (I have used this circuit before, and it works great, I just haven't done this to an Amplifone yet.) -Zonn <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn -------| // \\/ From jwelser Tue Jul 7 15:32:48 1998 Received: from piglet.cc.utexas.edu (jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu [128.83.42.61]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id PAA03370 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:32:48 -0500 (CDT) From: jwelser Received: from localhost (jwelser@localhost) by piglet.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/piglet.mc-1.4) with SMTP id PAA00196 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:32:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:32:54 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu Reply-To: jwelser To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Asteroids CPU repair problems In-Reply-To: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D03E3F737 > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech) wrote: > I am not sure I understand the problem with the switch PCB, but I am happy > to tackle it to the best of my ability. Do you think you can get the logic > PCB "on a chip"? I can work on the PC part easy enough if that is what > works out to be the best. I know my way around PC software pretty well. > The CAT box has all sorts of LEDs, 7-segment drivers, switches, keypad, etc. The switch PCB has all this stuff, including the switches and displays themselves, as well as the drivers, buffers, etc. Like I (and others) have said before the switch PCB is probably best replaced with a PC. The Logic PCB can be reduced to a few chips. There is a 6502, a 6532 RAM, and a ROM that pretty much don't lend themselves well to getting put on a PLD. The rest of the logic on there can probably be compressed onto 1 or 2 PLDs. Thus, probably the best we can do is a CAT box on 4 chips. It will probably be worthwhile to find an alternate to the 6532, because those are hard to find (BG micro is the only place that I've found that has them.) Basically, what I'm saying is that I'll do the Logic PCB if someone else will come up with some way to do all the other stuff (that is currently on the switch PCB.) I hate to be melodramatic, but the Logic PCB is useless without all that stuff. Joe From jwelser Tue Jul 7 15:40:06 1998 Received: from piglet.cc.utexas.edu (jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu [128.83.42.61]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id PAA05254 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:40:05 -0500 (CDT) From: jwelser Received: from localhost (jwelser@localhost) by piglet.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/piglet.mc-1.4) with SMTP id PAA02083 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:40:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:40:12 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Asteroids CPU repair problems In-Reply-To: <31452DBFA5F7D111B90D006097C401E30ACA4A > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Clay Cowgill wrote: > > No. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If someone > > will build the switch PCB, I'll do the logic PCB. So far there've > > been no volunteers. The switch PCB is NASTY, and I'm not going to get > > stuck doing it too. People were talking about building a PC > > interface, > > which I think is the way to go (unfortunately, I know nothing about > > using > > the Serial/Parallel ports of a PC, or about writing software for PCs) > > > Maybe one of those 48 bit general purpose I/O cards (sorry Al, I think > they're mostly ISA) is the way to go? Seems like they were reasonably > priced (~$80) and don't require any up-front engineering on our part. > That's probably exactly what is needed. I need to check the number of IOs into the Logic PCB (it;s been like 6 months since I looked at this stuff) but 48 sounds like it might be enough. The logic PCB does all the real time signal generation that goes to the board under test in a CAT box, so I think the logic PCB + CPU interface for display/setup is the way to go. Figure ~$80 for the card. I'd bet this can be done for around $150. Joe From Mike_Ranger Wed Jul 8 08:59:34 1998 Received: from firewall.dofasco.ca (firewall.dofasco.ca [192.139.152.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id IAA11000 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:59:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: by firewall.dofasco.ca; id AA172896490; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:01:30 -0400 Received: from unknown(142.153.128.178) by firewall.dofasco.ca via smap (3.2) id xma017263; Wed, 8 Jul 98 10:01:23 -0400 Received: from msxadmin01.dofasco.ca by PCSDAS.DOFASCO.CA (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 08:55:28 EST Received: by msxadmin01.dofasco.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:56:12 -0400 Message-Id: <5546B06BA6C5D11190070000F8B8447177EACF@DFSPO02.dofasco.ca> From: Ranger Mike To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: Cat Box Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:55:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hi all.. I downloaded the Cat Box PDF from the new "Spies" but it is corrupt...(or my machine is!!!) Anyone hosting a good copy? or is it just me Mike From jess Wed Jul 8 12:26:29 1998 Received: from roper.uwyo.edu (pmdf@roper.uwyo.edu [129.72.10.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id MAA05506 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:26:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from asuwlink.uwyo.edu by ROPER.UWYO.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #27528) with ESMTP id <0EVS00M8PDRGGC@ROPER.UWYO.EDU> for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glitter-dial.uwyo.edu (ras879.uwyo.edu [129.72.87.9]) by asuwlink.uwyo.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA07742 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:25:27 -0600 From: Jess Askey Subject: Re: Cat Box To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Reply-to: jess Message-id: <35A3AB87.558C > MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <5546B06BA6C5D11190070000F8B8447177EACF@DFSPO02.dofasco.ca> Ranger Mike wrote: > > Hi all.. > I downloaded the Cat Box PDF from the new "Spies" but it is > corrupt...(or my machine is!!!) > > Anyone hosting a good copy? or is it just me > > Mike it is also at gamearchive at http://www.gamearchive.com/tech/atari_cat_box/ jess From callan@flash.net Wed Jul 8 15:12:35 1998 Received: from centurion.flash.net (centurion.flash.net [209.30.0.22]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id PAA11778 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:12:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wassuppc (houasc24-181.flash.net [209.30.69.181]) by centurion.flash.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA16261 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:12:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00da01bdaaac$bb5be2e0$b5451ed1 > From: "Callan Hendricks" To: Subject: The fabled Dynamo Boxing Bugs. Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:12:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.0 Heya guys, Thought you might want to check this out. I was showing Al around some of the warehouses down here, and look what we found! ;-) Remember! They are out there... You just have to keep looking... Enjoy! Callan. From chris Wed Jul 8 15:30:17 1998 Received: from westnet.com (chris [206.24.6.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id PAA20327 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:30:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by westnet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA02451 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:30:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: The fabled Dynamo Boxing Bugs. In-Reply-To: <00da01bdaaac$bb5be2e0$b5451ed1 > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Callan Hendricks wrote: > Thought you might want to check this out. I was showing Al around some of > the warehouses down here, and look what we found! ;-) Uh -- is that it, or is there a missing URL ? :-) -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From callan@flash.net Wed Jul 8 15:31:12 1998 Received: from centurion.flash.net (centurion.flash.net [209.30.0.22]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id PAA20433 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:31:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wassuppc (houasc24-181.flash.net [209.30.69.181]) by centurion.flash.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA15924 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:31:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <013e01bdaaaf$57ad0f00$b5451ed1 > From: "Callan Hendricks" To: Subject: WHOOPS! ;-) - Here's the url for the pic! Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:31:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.0 My bad! ;-) www.flash.net/~callan From a-dashoe Wed Jul 8 16:42:41 1998 Received: from mail4.microsoft.com (mail4.microsoft.com [131.107.3.122]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id QAA08669 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:42:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mail4.microsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2328.0) id <3P435300>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:41:52 -0700 Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D03E3F73D > From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Cat Box Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:41:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2328.0) Actually if you try to follow the link to the manual portion it is a file not found. David > ---------- > From: Jess Askey[SMTP:jess ] > Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 10:25 AM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: Re: Cat Box > > Ranger Mike wrote: > > > > Hi all.. > > I downloaded the Cat Box PDF from the new "Spies" but it is > > corrupt...(or my machine is!!!) > > > > Anyone hosting a good copy? or is it just me > > > > Mike > > it is also at gamearchive at > http://www.gamearchive.com/tech/atari_cat_box/ > > jess > From a-dashoe Wed Jul 8 16:44:15 1998 Received: from mail5.microsoft.com (mail5.microsoft.com [131.107.3.121]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id QAA09012 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:44:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: by INET-IMC-05 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2328.0) id <3P4RM7PK>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:43:27 -0700 Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D03E3F73E > From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: Star wars monitor removal Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:43:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2328.0) OK so I have a SW with a dead high voltage transformer. So I am going to put in a WG. Whats the trick to removing the ampliphone tube? Do you have to unbolt the tube from the mounting wings or remove part of the monitor bezel support wood or what? And then once its out does the WG fit in there easily? David From Mit_Matelske Wed Jul 8 17:33:17 1998 Received: from smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (ns3.BayNetworks.COM [192.32.253.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id RAA20164 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:33:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM ([132.245.135.115]) by smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08827 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster1.corpeast.Baynetworks.com (ns2.corpeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.72.17]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA21564 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bl-mail1.corpeast.BayNetworks.com (bl-mail1-nf0) by lobster1.corpeast.Baynetworks.com (4.1/BNET-97/04/29-S) id AA12247; Wed, 8 Jul 98 18:32:10 EDT for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Received: from mitnt ([206.210.192.116]) by bl-mail1.corpeast.BayNetworks.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0529 ID# 0-13458) with SMTP id AAA28926 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:32:05 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980708173442.00c27530 > X-Sender: mmatelsk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 17:34:44 -0500 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Mit_Matelske (Mit Matelske) Subject: Re: Star wars monitor removal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >At 02:43 PM 7/8/98 -0700, you wrote: >>OK so I have a SW with a dead high voltage transformer. So I am going to >>put in a WG. Whats the trick to removing the ampliphone tube? Do you have >>to unbolt the tube from the mounting wings or remove part of the monitor >>bezel support wood or what? >> >>And then once its out does the WG fit in there easily? >> >>David >> If I remember right all you have to do is pull the four nuts off of the stems and the monitor comes right out. You will have to make some brackets for the 19" job. What are you doing with the old tube? Hint, hint.... (I need one) Mit From wnerini Wed Jul 8 17:50:37 1998 Received: from forego.drf.com (root@[208.139.165.12]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id RAA24877 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:50:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from willnerini (wnerini.drf.com [208.139.165.223]) by forego.drf.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA01312 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:46:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:50:25 -0000 Message-ID: <01BDAA88.1F445CD0.wnerini > From: "William A. Nerini" Reply-To: "wnerini > To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Cat Box Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:50:23 -0000 Organization: The Daily Racing Form X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, I'll check out the problem and see if I can't get a good copy up on the Arcade collector's archive. Please Excuse Our Mess. Will http://nerini.drf.com/VGArchive -----Original Message----- From: David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech) [SMTP:a-dashoe ] Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 2:42 PM To: 'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu' Subject: RE: Cat Box Actually if you try to follow the link to the manual portion it is a file not found. David > ---------- > From: Jess Askey[SMTP:jess ] > Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 10:25 AM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: Re: Cat Box > > Ranger Mike wrote: > > > > Hi all.. > > I downloaded the Cat Box PDF from the new "Spies" but it is > > corrupt...(or my machine is!!!) > > > > Anyone hosting a good copy? or is it just me > > > > Mike > > it is also at gamearchive at > http://www.gamearchive.com/tech/atari_cat_box/ > > jess > From a-dashoe Wed Jul 8 17:52:41 1998 Received: from mail5.microsoft.com (mail5.microsoft.com [131.107.3.121]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id RAA25499 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:52:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: by INET-IMC-05 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2328.0) id <3P4RNBZX>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:52:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D03E3F73F > From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Star wars monitor removal Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:52:03 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2328.0) Sounds like your thinking of the sit down version. This is an upright I am working on. David > ---------- > From: > Mit_Matelske ] > Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 3:34 PM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: Re: Star wars monitor removal > > >At 02:43 PM 7/8/98 -0700, you wrote: > >>OK so I have a SW with a dead high voltage transformer. So I am going > to > >>put in a WG. Whats the trick to removing the ampliphone tube? Do you > have > >>to unbolt the tube from the mounting wings or remove part of the monitor > >>bezel support wood or what? > >> > >>And then once its out does the WG fit in there easily? > >> > >>David > >> > > If I remember right all you have to do is pull the four nuts off of > the stems and the monitor comes right out. You will have to make > some brackets for the 19" job. What are you doing with the old tube? > Hint, hint.... (I need one) > > Mit > From wnerini Wed Jul 8 17:58:51 1998 Received: from forego.drf.com (root@[208.139.165.12]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id RAA27246 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:58:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from willnerini (wnerini.drf.com [208.139.165.223]) by forego.drf.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA01336 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:55:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:58:49 -0000 Message-ID: <01BDAA89.4BFFD1E0.wnerini > From: "William A. Nerini" Reply-To: "wnerini > To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Cat Box Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:58:48 -0000 Organization: The Daily Racing Form X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've gone ahead and fixed the pdf for the cat box on the Arcade Collector's site(hereby refered to as the "wiretap" site.).. Will http://nerini.drf.com/VGArchive/ From chris Wed Jul 8 19:31:32 1998 Received: from westnet.com (chris [206.24.6.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id TAA19283 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:31:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by westnet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA20097 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:31:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Vindicated ! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII OK -- I am not an idiot. Not only does my Asteroids manual, TM-143, 2nd printing, NOT mention what the 4 pos dip switch does, it does NOT apear in the scehmatic OR the parts list. HA ! In other Vector news, the repeat of Home Improvement (looks like from around 1991) had a working Lunar Lander in an arcade scene in a bowling alley. And a working Gorf. -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From wsharp Wed Jul 8 21:07:26 1998 Received: from ns-1.macromedia.com (ns-1.macromedia.com [207.88.220.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id VAA06984 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:07:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns-2.macromedia.com (ns-2.macromedia.com [207.88.156.10]) by ns-1.macromedia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA29775 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egl18 ([192.168.21.181]) by ns-2.macromedia.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA21555 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980708190833.00a0d210 > X-Sender: wsharp X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 19:08:33 -0700 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Werner Sharp Subject: Can a vector monitor's color be adjusted perfectly? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After spending an hour the other night trying to get my Gravitar monitor adjusted just right (and trying to avoid being electrocuted), I'm wondering whether it's even possible. I'm talking about the alignment of the R, G, B so they overlap perfectly. Mine's close by the red is skewed somewhat from the blue. They match up in the center but red is to the left at the top and to the right at the bottom. I was think of taking the neck assembly apart and puting some lubricant in between the magnets so they'll at least slide more easily. There's some ancient glue that needs to be removed as well. Any tips from the experts? Can any components be replaced to make it work better (like on the neck board maybe)? Thanks. -Werner FREE (SF Bay Area pickup only): Cinematronics Star Castle vector monitor, no electronics, just the tube FS: Space Duel?, Assault? WTD: Tempest cabinet (doesn't matter if it was converted, but a vector monitor for it would be great) [Hey Clay, ship me that control panel yet? :)] From jwelser Wed Jul 8 22:36:20 1998 Received: from piglet.cc.utexas.edu (jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu [128.83.42.61]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id WAA28922 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:36:20 -0500 (CDT) From: jwelser Received: from localhost (jwelser@localhost) by piglet.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/piglet.mc-1.4) with SMTP id WAA23952 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:36:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:36:28 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Can a vector monitor's color be adjusted perfectly? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980708190833.00a0d210 > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Werner Sharp wrote: > After spending an hour the other night trying to get my Gravitar monitor > adjusted just right (and trying to avoid being electrocuted), I'm wondering > whether it's even possible. I'm talking about the alignment of the R, G, B > so they overlap perfectly. Mine's close by the red is skewed somewhat from > the blue. They match up in the center but red is to the left at the top > and to the right at the bottom. This is a dynamic convergence problem, and you probably won't be able to get it perfect. > I was think of taking the neck assembly apart and puting some lubricant in > between the magnets so they'll at least slide more easily. There's some > ancient glue that needs to be removed as well. > > Any tips from the experts? Can any components be replaced to make it work > better (like on the neck board maybe)? Double check the monitor manual, but dynamic convergence adjustment usually involves tilting the yoke, and adding those metal strips to the outside of the tube. The ring magnets are for static convergence adjustment, which sounds OK on your monitor, if the guns line up near the middle fo the screen. The sci.electronics.repair FAQ pretty much says that if you can live with it, leave it. Joe From jwelser Wed Jul 8 22:43:25 1998 Received: from piglet.cc.utexas.edu (jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu [128.83.42.61]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id WAA29882 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:43:24 -0500 (CDT) From: jwelser Received: from localhost (jwelser@localhost) by piglet.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/piglet.mc-1.4) with SMTP id WAA25504 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:43:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:43:32 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: Re: Star wars monitor removal In-Reply-To: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D03E3F73E > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech) wrote: > OK so I have a SW with a dead high voltage transformer. So I am going to > put in a WG. Whats the trick to removing the ampliphone tube? Do you have > to unbolt the tube from the mounting wings or remove part of the monitor > bezel support wood or what? You take it out from the front. Don't remove the tube from two gold-colored brackets -- the brackets unbolt from the wood, and you just pull the tube and brackets out. You swing the Control Panel forward, remove the (big) plastic bezel, and then unbolt and remove the monitor. The Star Wars manual details how to take it out, and that manual is up online somewhere (I got one online somewhere.) > And then once its out does the WG fit in there easily? It drops right in -- just like the Amplifone. There is nothing tricky about it. The chassis around the WG fits right into the places where the barckets bolted into, so you leave the brackets with thte Amplifone tube. Joe From callan@flash.net Wed Jul 8 22:48:03 1998 Received: from centurion.flash.net (centurion.flash.net [209.30.0.22]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id WAA00341 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:48:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from callan (houasc30-232.flash.net [209.30.70.232]) by centurion.flash.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01109 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:48:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "Callan Hendricks" To: Subject: Re: Can a vector monitor's color be adjusted perfectly? Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:54:02 -0500 Message-ID: <01bdab51$cb2bfc00$e8461ed1@callan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Heya Al (and all...), From my experience... Sometimes it is impossible to adjust the convergence on a monitor with just the purity rings. This is why manufacturers use the magnetic strips (long white pieces of plastic with a magnet at the end. Normally placed under the deflection coils on the tube). If you have lost a magnetic strip, you might be fighting a losing battle. Hope this helps, Callan. -----Original Message----- From: Werner Sharp To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 9:11 PM Subject: Can a vector monitor's color be adjusted perfectly? >After spending an hour the other night trying to get my Gravitar monitor >adjusted just right (and trying to avoid being electrocuted), I'm wondering >whether it's even possible. I'm talking about the alignment of the R, G, B >so they overlap perfectly. Mine's close by the red is skewed somewhat from >the blue. They match up in the center but red is to the left at the top >and to the right at the bottom. > >I was think of taking the neck assembly apart and puting some lubricant in >between the magnets so they'll at least slide more easily. There's some >ancient glue that needs to be removed as well. > >Any tips from the experts? Can any components be replaced to make it work >better (like on the neck board maybe)? > >Thanks. > >-Werner > >FREE (SF Bay Area pickup only): Cinematronics Star Castle vector monitor, >no electronics, just the tube >FS: Space Duel?, Assault? >WTD: Tempest cabinet (doesn't matter if it was converted, but a vector >monitor for it would be great) [Hey Clay, ship me that control panel yet? :)] > > From callan@flash.net Wed Jul 8 22:49:35 1998 Received: from centurion.flash.net (centurion.flash.net [209.30.0.22]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id WAA00478 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:49:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from callan (houasc30-232.flash.net [209.30.70.232]) by centurion.flash.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA05421 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:49:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Callan Hendricks" To: Subject: Re: Can a vector monitor's color be adjusted perfectly? Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:55:30 -0500 Message-ID: <01bdab51$ffd08c00$e8461ed1@callan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I mean Hi Werner! DOH! I'm having one of those days! Sorry.... Callan. -----Original Message----- From: Werner Sharp To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 9:11 PM Subject: Can a vector monitor's color be adjusted perfectly? >After spending an hour the other night trying to get my Gravitar monitor >adjusted just right (and trying to avoid being electrocuted), I'm wondering >whether it's even possible. I'm talking about the alignment of the R, G, B >so they overlap perfectly. Mine's close by the red is skewed somewhat from >the blue. They match up in the center but red is to the left at the top >and to the right at the bottom. > >I was think of taking the neck assembly apart and puting some lubricant in >between the magnets so they'll at least slide more easily. There's some >ancient glue that needs to be removed as well. > >Any tips from the experts? Can any components be replaced to make it work >better (like on the neck board maybe)? > >Thanks. > >-Werner > >FREE (SF Bay Area pickup only): Cinematronics Star Castle vector monitor, >no electronics, just the tube >FS: Space Duel?, Assault? >WTD: Tempest cabinet (doesn't matter if it was converted, but a vector >monitor for it would be great) [Hey Clay, ship me that control panel yet? :)] > > From jrr Thu Jul 9 01:34:46 1998 Received: from penelope.aktom.com (smtp.aktom.com [207.219.208.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with SMTP id BAA06281 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:34:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vanc01m03-9.bctel.ca (vanc01m03-9.bctel.ca [209.52.188.9]) by penelope.flippers.com (NTMail 3.03.0012/4c.abyd) with ESMTP id za008787 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:42:15 +0100 Message-ID: <35A46505.E6B61F0 > Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 23:36:53 -0700 From: John Robertson Reply-To: jrr Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Vindicated ! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm, this must be why the factories keep putting out revisions of manuals . Would you (All) like a copy of the switch settings? I think it is for a late revision of the software...possibly export version (hey we are in a foreign country here in CANADA!) John :-#)# Christopher X. Candreva wrote: > > OK -- I am not an idiot. > > Not only does my Asteroids manual, TM-143, 2nd printing, NOT mention what > the 4 pos dip switch does, it does NOT apear in the scehmatic OR the parts > list. > > HA ! > > In other Vector news, the repeat of Home Improvement (looks like from around > 1991) had a working Lunar Lander in an arcade scene in a bowling alley. And > a working Gorf. > > -Chris > > ========================================================== > Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 > WestNet Internet Services of Westchester > http://www.westnet.com/ -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From jeffh Thu Jul 9 20:53:57 1998 Received: from nov.diac.com (diac.com [209.64.40.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id UAA18849 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:53:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [209.64.42.90] (p90.ts1.diac.com [209.64.42.90]) by nov.diac.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA14787 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:52:01 GMT X-Sender: jeffh Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:00:19 -0600 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: jeffh (Jeff Hendrix) Subject: Re: Star wars monitor removal It's pretty easy. Just unbolt the tube and lift it out, sometimes it helps to have somebody lift the monitor from behind so you can get a grip on it in front, but I've removed some by myself. A WG monitor 'almost' fits in there. The problem is with the bottom mounting rails. (I think space duel is the only color xy game that mounts that way, where it sits on a shelf, kind of like asteroids). Anyway, there is no cut away in a star wars for this lip to slide into. (We you try to put the WG in you will see exactly what I mean). I just take a hand saw and saw away about a 1/2 inch section of wood on both sides. You might have to extend the cuts up a little from where they need to be because then you try to put the WG in, it wants to hit the top part of the cabinet (just under the marquee). If the cuts are higher, you can come in at a steeper angle without any problem. I hope I explained this alright. You will see exactly what I mean when you try to do it. I've done this with 5 machines and it only takes about 10 minutes. Also, you might need a monitor extension cord (like what gravitar had) because sometimes the star wars plug will not quite reach the monitor. I've been able to find deflection boards with a little bit longer cables and put them in my star wars machines. If you really got desperate, you could move the star wars pcb cage a little higher so the cord will reach. -jeff >OK so I have a SW with a dead high voltage transformer. So I am going to >put in a WG. Whats the trick to removing the ampliphone tube? Do you have >to unbolt the tube from the mounting wings or remove part of the monitor >bezel support wood or what? > >And then once its out does the WG fit in there easily? > >David jeffh Buy/Sell/Trade Classic Video Arcade Games www.diac.com/~jeffh/ From joel-r Fri Jul 10 07:50:18 1998 Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id HAA16278 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:50:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hpanr0.an.hp.com (hpanr0.an.hp.com [15.4.147.21]) by palrel3.hp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5tis) with SMTP id FAA07753 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 05:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpanzzaw.an.hp.com by hpanr0.an.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.8/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA09182; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:49:58 -0400 Message-Id: <35A60E9A.1FBB > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:52:42 -0400 From: Joel Rosenzweig Reply-To: joel-r Organization: Hewlett-Packard Medical Products Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Star wars monitor removal References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff Hendrix wrote: > A WG monitor 'almost' fits in there. The problem is with the bottom > mounting rails. (I think space duel is the only color xy game that > mounts that way, where it sits on a shelf, kind of like asteroids). > Anyway, there is no cut away in a star wars for this lip to slide into. > (We you try to put the WG in you will see exactly what I mean). I just > take a hand saw and saw away about a 1/2 inch section of wood on both > sides. You might have to extend the cuts up a little from where they > need to be because then you try to put the WG in, it wants to hit the > top part of the cabinet (just under the marquee). If the cuts are > higher, you can come in at a steeper angle without any problem. > I hope I explained this alright. You will see exactly what I mean when > you try to do it. > I've done this with 5 machines and it only takes about 10 minutes. > There's another alternative to cutting out the notches. That is, mount the WG just like the Amplifone was mounted. Use the brackets from the Amplifone tube to mount the WG tube. The only bit of creativity you'll need to do, is deciding how you'd like to mount the deflection board and the high voltage board. The other alternative, is to keep the Amplifone tube in there, and use it with your WG chassis components. You'll still need to mount the HV and deflection boards, but at least you don't have to remove the HV tube. The added benefit of using the Amplifone tube is that the display will continue to look excellent given the finer resolution of this tube. Before I had a real SW cabinet, I had SW running with a WG. I was blown away when I finally hooked up the Amplifone. I honestly think it's worth the expense to buy the new WinTron and install that - unless you really think you won't appreciate the enhanced quality of the Amplifone display. Either way, good luck with the project. Joel- From joel-r Fri Jul 10 07:58:21 1998 Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id HAA17249 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:58:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hpanr0.an.hp.com (hpanr0.an.hp.com [15.4.147.21]) by palrel3.hp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5tis) with SMTP id FAA10630 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 05:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpanzzaw.an.hp.com by hpanr0.an.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.8/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA11316; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:58:16 -0400 Message-Id: <35A6108C.7E64 > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:01:00 -0400 From: Joel Rosenzweig Reply-To: joel-r Organization: Hewlett-Packard Medical Products Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Amplifone +/- 24v regulation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zonn, I wanted to thank you for taking the time to respond so thoroughly to my question regarding the Amplifone current regulation. That was really awesome to see a schematic accompany the reply!!! If I may be so bold .. what does the complementary circuit look like for the 7924/2N3716? I have this vision of swapping some combination of the transistor leads incorrectly. As you can tell, analog circuit design is not my area of expertise. :-) I mean, umm, given that this email is getting archived, shouldn't we have the circuit drawn out, just for the record? You know, just in case some other misguided soul tries to get rock solid performance out of his Amplifone this weekend? Yeah .. that's it. Thanks! Joel- Zonn wrote: > > The unregulated voltage is not dropping too low, so bigger caps won't help (and > if that were the case, better regulation wouldn't help either). What happens is > that the 7x24's can't supply enough current. You could lower the value of the > 50 ohm pass resistor, but that will reduce the 7x24's ability to regulate and > the vectors will not be as stable. The thing to do is add pass transistors that > beef up the current capacities of the 7824/7924. > > The new pass transistors must be heatsinked (so you'll have to find a heatsink > to mount the transistors to). The ideal transistors would be the standard > 2N3716 and 2N3792 already used in the WG for this. Just leave the 7x24s where > they are, remove the 50 ohm power resistors, and connect the base and collector > of the pass transistors in place of the 50 ohm resistors. (The base goes to the > input of the regulator, and the collector goes to the output.) > > Cut a trace in the PCB just in front of the input of the 7824/7924 and jumper > the cut with a 5 ~ 7 ohm 1/2 resistor. Connect the emitter of the pass > transistor to the side of the cut that's not connected to the regulator, and > walla, a mucho beefed up regulator. > > ASCII art: > > (Old Circuit) > 50 ohm > +-----/\/\/----+ > | | > | ------- | > +unreg ----------+----|7824 |---+---- +24v reg > ------- > | > | > --- > - > > (New Circuit) > > +------------+--- ----------+ > | \ / | > | V / 2N3792 | > | 6 ohm 1/2 watt ----- | > | +--/\/\/---+ | | > | | | | ------- | > +unreg ---+--+---X X----+-----+----|7824 |---+---- +24v reg > ^ ------- > Cut trace here | > | > --- > - > > Do the same thing with the 7924 side, but use the 2N3716 as the pass transistor. > > I haven't done this to an Amplifone, but the circuit is right out of the > National Voltage Handbook. (I have used this circuit before, and it works > great, I just haven't done this to an Amplifone yet.) > > -Zonn > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: > |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically > / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures > / / //\\ // (__) > / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn > -------| // \\/ From zonn Fri Jul 10 13:46:50 1998 Received: from mail.mis.isidesign.com (mail.mis.isidesign.com [205.230.20.20]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id NAA16252 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:46:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from SHAD.isidesign.com ([10.13.0.106]) by mail.mis.isidesign.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id NR8H6JKL; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:46:52 -0700 From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Amplifone +/- 24v regulation Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:46:24 GMT Message-ID: <35a65681.1431293910 > References: In-Reply-To: <35A6108C.7E64 > X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id NAA16260 On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:01:00 -0400, Joel Rosenzweig wrote: >Zonn, > >I wanted to thank you for taking the time to respond so thoroughly to my >question regarding the Amplifone current regulation. That was really >awesome to see a schematic accompany the reply!!! > >If I may be so bold .. what does the complementary circuit look like for >the 7924/2N3716? I have this vision of swapping some combination of the >transistor leads incorrectly. As you can tell, analog circuit design is >not my area of expertise. :-) I mean, umm, given that this email is >getting archived, shouldn't we have the circuit drawn out, just for the >record? You know, just in case some other misguided soul tries to get >rock solid performance out of his Amplifone this weekend? Yeah .. >that's it. The 7924 looks nearly the same: +------------+--- ----------+ | ^ E C / | | \ / 2N3716 | | 6 ohm 1/2 watt ----- | | +--/\/\/---+ |B | | | | | ------- | -unreg ---+--+---X X----+-----+----|7924 |---+---- -24v reg ^ in ------- out Cut trace here |gnd | --- - as opposed to the 7824: +------------+--- ----------+ | \ E C / | | V / 2N3792 | | 6 ohm 1/2 watt ----- | | +--/\/\/---+ |B | | | | | ------- | +unreg ---+--+---X X----+-----+----|7824 |---+---- +24v reg ^ in ------- out Cut trace here |gnd | --- - I've marked the Emitter, Base and Collector of the transistor, and the IN, GND and OUT of the regulators. The thing you must be careful about is the pinouts of the regulators. The IN, OUT, and GND pins are numbered differently between the 7824 and the 7924. (Just from memory I believe the OUT pin is the same on both regulators and the IN and GND is swapped between them. Be careful and make sure to look this up in a data book or something.) Use insulating washers when mounting the transistors to a heatsink (you'll have to find a heatsink), check for shorts, blah, blah, blah... This circuit worked fine on a WG monitor, but it meant a lot of rewiring from the original LV regulator. Anders design is so much easier to install, that the LV2000 is definitely the way to go on a WG. As far as the Amplifone goes, the above circuit is a very easy one to implement, without the need for a PC board. It'll be interesting to see how the beefed up regulators effect the Star Wars explosion sequence! -Zonn <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn -------| // \\/ From wnerini Fri Jul 10 14:36:04 1998 Received: from forego.drf.com (root@[208.139.165.12]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id OAA27793 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:36:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from willnerini (wnerini.drf.com [208.139.165.223]) by forego.drf.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12147 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:32:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:36:00 -0000 Message-ID: <01BDABFF.4B9F4060.wnerini > From: "William A. Nerini" Reply-To: "wnerini > To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Problems on the 'Wiretap' Site With PDFs Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:35:59 -0000 Organization: The Daily Racing Form X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just though I'd let everyone here know that the problems with the PDFs on the site have all been fixed. I recieved the Archive from al in a Tar file and used WinZip to un-tar it. WinZip screwed up the PDFs. I've restored them all, and they all look good, I check all 100+ of them, and they all look right, if anyone has any probs, please let me know. Thanks, Will wnerini unclewillbur -- William Nerini - Web Administrator, The Daily Racing Form and sadly, STILL not the owner of a Ripoff. wnerini / || unclewillbur From a-dashoe Fri Jul 10 15:16:37 1998 Received: from mail4.microsoft.com (mail4.microsoft.com [131.107.3.122]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id PAA07908 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:16:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mail4.microsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2328.0) id <3P430M9D>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:16:06 -0700 Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D03E3F747 > From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: Unstable vectors on tempest Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:16:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2328.0) I have a tempest boardset where the vectors are VERY unstable. They shimmy and shake around up to 1" from there draw location. The power supply is fine. Monitor is fine. The math box board is fine. I assume something wrong in the DAC section out but don't really know where to start. Ideas? Thanks, David From jess Fri Jul 10 17:24:15 1998 Received: from roper.uwyo.edu (pmdf@roper.uwyo.edu [129.72.10.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id RAA11143 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:24:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from asuwlink.uwyo.edu by ROPER.UWYO.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #27528) with ESMTP id <0EVW00M0YGVFIP@ROPER.UWYO.EDU> for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:23:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glitter-dial.uwyo.edu (ras895.uwyo.edu [129.72.89.5]) by asuwlink.uwyo.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA29572 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:23:37 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:23:01 -0600 From: Jess Askey Subject: Re: Unstable vectors on tempest To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Reply-to: jess Message-id: <35A69445.2D2F > MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D03E3F747 > David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech) wrote: > > I have a tempest boardset where the vectors are VERY unstable. They shimmy > and shake around up to 1" from there draw location. > > The power supply is fine. Monitor is fine. The math box board is fine. > > I assume something wrong in the DAC section out but don't really know where > to start. > > Ideas? Look for broken off caps. I have seen the tall green (polyester?)slim ones break off very easy since they stand up higher than most other components and Atari didn't seem to leave any spare lead space when they soldered them to the boards, if they get bent over more than about 45 degrees they will snap off. I don't know reference numbers off hand but they are very close to the DAC's. Good Luck. jess From sickgear Sun Jul 12 11:46:46 1998 Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id LAA29775 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:46:45 -0500 (CDT) From: sickgear Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA08673 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:46:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:46:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alb-nm2-19.ix.netcom.com(204.32.171.83) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008661; Sun Jul 12 11:46:10 1998 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-Id: <199871304148241 > Subject: Help w/identifying Sega XY boards... X-Mailer: NETCOMplete v3.20, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all, I came across a couple "cans" of Sega boards... the trouble is, some are XY and some aren't, but they are all mixed together. So far, I think I've picked all the "space odyssey" boards out, but am left with some questions. According to the Sega XY page, a CPU board using the 315-0064 "special chip" would either be Star Trek or Space Fury; however, the ROM at U25 on my board is 1778. This doesn't work with the Space Fury or Star Trek ROM ID as posted on the page. Also, the ROMs on the EPROM board are labled 1779-1802, which again, doesn't fit with the names of the Star Trek or SF roms I've come across. There's also a "meatball" soundboard, but for all I know it belongs to Space Odyssey. The other two cards are the XY timing and XY control. So, any clues as to what I'm dealing with? I'd kinda like to have some idea before I start trying to fire this stuff up! Thanks, Derek sickgear From jenison Mon Jul 13 09:09:30 1998 Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id JAA18536 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:09:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by motgate.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id JAA09791 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:09:22 -0500 (CDT) Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by mothost.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id JAA05219 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:09:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id JAA17897 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:04:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id JAA26267 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:04:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:04:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9807130904.ZM26265@calcite> In-Reply-To: sickgear "Help w/identifying Sega XY boards..." (Jul 12, 11:46am) References: <199871304148241 > X-face: "@9[FFAftX<9}2=gaPlIyRv_K%h[>.@"8t}B2So!iv.\#M9NplA9bDudBQ|]E`WL9Kd,Tn2v.0OGcE<$yg{&}(m:mB\GO9L+yE}6=d17BM X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Help w/identifying Sega XY boards... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 12, 11:46am, sickgear wrote: > Subject: Help w/identifying Sega XY boards... > Hey all, > > I came across a couple "cans" of Sega boards... the trouble is, some are XY and some aren't, but > they are all mixed together. So far, I think I've picked all the "space odyssey" boards out, but > am left with some questions. > > According to the Sega XY page, a CPU board using the 315-0064 "special chip" would either be > Star Trek or Space Fury; however, the ROM at U25 on my board is 1778. This doesn't work with > the Space Fury or Star Trek ROM ID as posted on the page. Also, the ROMs on the EPROM board are > labled 1779-1802, which again, doesn't fit with the names of the Star Trek or SF roms I've come > across. According to my list, what you have there is a Monster Bash ROM board, and a Monster Bash CPU EPROM, but the security chip is wrong. Possibly whoever you got the boards from at one time tried to swap in a working CPU from another game, not knowing about the differences in security chips. > There's also a "meatball" soundboard, but for all I know it belongs to Space Odyssey. The other > two cards are the XY timing and XY control. The "meatball" soundboard is for Eliminator. > So, any clues as to what I'm dealing with? I'd kinda like to have some idea before I start trying > to fire this stuff up! Some games had a few different software revisions. The best thing to do to verify what you have is to archive the data and compare it to the EPROM data on the arcade ROM data homepage (anyone have the URL for it?). ________________ ______ ___ _____ __ / __/ / / / |/ / / |/ //|/|/|_______________ Mark Jenison / __/ /_/ / / / | // | / |__ __/ _ /__ \ jenison /___/___/_/_//_/_/_/|_//__|/__| / / / // / / Sega XY FAQ author /_/|_| /_/ /____/_/|_| ________________ The One and Only 4-player vector game From batlzone@cyberenet.net Mon Jul 13 11:06:04 1998 Received: from old-mailman.genacc-us.com ([205.134.131.18]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id LAA18436 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:06:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cyberenet.net (gahost164.genacc-us.com [205.134.131.164]) by old-mailman.genacc-us.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with ESMTP id AAA94 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:06:00 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA307C.8048FD49@cyberenet.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:06:21 -0400 From: Al Warner Organization: Al Warner, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Star Wars Main Board Pin 9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was looking at the pin-outs for Star Wars on Wiretap and noticed that pin 9 on the main board was listed as "Thrust". In my mind there was a thread about this somewhere that said that this was a pin without logic. Is this true? What is the story behing Star Wars Thrust? That would be a cool feature. -Al- From jenison Mon Jul 13 11:42:13 1998 Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id LAA04014 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:42:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id LAA28967 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:42:01 -0500 (CDT) Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client pobox.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by pobox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id LAA29682 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:41:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id LAA00238 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:40:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id LAA00214 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:40:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:40:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9807131140.ZM212@calcite> In-Reply-To: Al Warner "Star Wars Main Board Pin 9" (Jul 13, 12:06pm) References: <35AA307C.8048FD49@cyberenet.net> X-face: "@9[FFAftX<9}2=gaPlIyRv_K%h[>.@"8t}B2So!iv.\#M9NplA9bDudBQ|]E`WL9Kd,Tn2v.0OGcE<$yg{&}(m:mB\GO9L+yE}6=d17BM X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Star Wars Main Board Pin 9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 13, 12:06pm, Al Warner wrote: > Subject: Star Wars Main Board Pin 9 > I was looking at the pin-outs for Star Wars on Wiretap and noticed that > pin 9 on the main board was listed as "Thrust". In my mind there was a > thread about this somewhere that said that this was a pin without > logic. Is this true? What is the story behing Star Wars Thrust? That > would be a cool feature. Someone tested it out and said it has no effect on game play, but it does show up during the test mode, so I'm assuming they took the logic for it out of game play, but not test mode. Maybe a simple hack would be to build a circuit that would double the clock speed when the thrust buttons were pressed ;-) Anyone ever put an autofire circuit in their Star Wars? Now that would be cool. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From sickgear Mon Jul 13 13:57:50 1998 Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id NAA11045 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:57:48 -0500 (CDT) From: sickgear Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA15533 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:57:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:57:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alb-nm2-05.ix.netcom.com(204.32.171.69) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015518; Mon Jul 13 13:56:49 1998 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-Id: <199871425150341 > Subject: a bunch o' junk for y'all... X-Mailer: NETCOMplete v3.20, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all, Thought I'd give y'all first crack at this stuff before I post it on the NG: Cinematronics: Solar Quest, complete boardset w/audio board, LED comes on and then goes off when power is applied so I assume it's at least kinda working. Spare solar quest audio board (untested) Armor Attack board working Armor attack monitor frame, kinda scuffed (have pic) Atari: Star Wars yoke and plastic monitor frame thingy (e-me for pic). Yoke works, has some tape between handle and main part. Frame is in good shape, both are kinda dirty. Star Wars boardset, working Tempest boardset, working Tempest board, missing some ICs in the yout section, not working anyway 2x tempest mathbox boards, working space duel board, missing some ROMs, otherwise untested Asteroids Deluxe board, mostly working but display is "pinched" in the middle on a known good monitor. trim pots don't help, passes self test. Make me an offer if you need any of this stuff. I am looking for a Major Havoc tempest conversion (yeah, I know) and a nice Star Wars marquee. Thanks, Derek From sickgear Mon Jul 13 18:24:57 1998 Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id SAA27497 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:24:55 -0500 (CDT) From: sickgear Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA13087 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:24:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:24:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alb-nm3-19.ix.netcom.com(206.214.146.51) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013070; Mon Jul 13 18:23:57 1998 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-Id: <1998714719639961 > Subject: It's been a good day! X-Mailer: NETCOMplete v3.20, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all, Thought I'd let you know (cuz no one else cares :) So, I was kinda bummed today, as I found out that the can of Sega boards I got is most likely (at least partially) Monster Bash and Space Odyssey (thanks for the info, Mark). But, I was driving around and noticed a warehouse with a bunch of old arcade cabs stacked behind it. I inquired within, and was shown to the back where I negotiated the purchase of: 1 Asteroids Deluxe (complete and working) 1 Omega Race upright (w/boards) 1 Omega Race cockpit (donno yet what's in there) and 1 Sega TAC/SCAN! Yep, that's right! The monitor isn't currently working (suprise), but the rest is and is in nice shape! My first Sega Vector game! Yay!! And, I got the whole mess for $300! so.... FREE JUNK for Y'ALL! I don't need or have room for the Omega Race upright (it's in nice shape, too), and I'm going to take the boards out of my Omega mini to complete the OR cockpit. So, if anyone wants a monitor- less Omega Race cab or upright mini w/working monitor, come to New Mexico and get 'em! Thanks, Derek From wsharp Tue Jul 14 12:45:42 1998 Received: from ns-1.macromedia.com (ns-1.macromedia.com [207.88.220.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id MAA27746 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:45:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns-2.macromedia.com (ns-2.macromedia.com [207.88.156.10]) by ns-1.macromedia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26204 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egl18 ([192.168.21.181]) by ns-2.macromedia.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA03727 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980714104726.00b2d490 > X-Sender: wsharp X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:47:26 -0700 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Werner Sharp Subject: Couple of questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 1. Any way to quiet down the signal noise on an Asteroids board? Are all boards just noisy or can anything be replaced? I changed the electrolytic and mylar caps with no effect. The board I have has lots of signal noise coming from the vector generators. The more vectors being drawn the more noise on the audio. 2. Any hints on fixing vector generator problems, specifically on a Black Widow/Gravitar board? I have two boards, both with vector generator problems. I can handle problems in the CPU side of things, but the vector side is a pain. The one specifically I'm working on runs in self test for about 10 seconds with no vectors and then resets. It's waiting for HALT to activate when it resets. 3. Should hooking up a amplified speaker directly to Aud1/Aud2 on a Black Widow board generate sounds? It worked for me on an Asteroids but the BW just gives pops instead of tones (pokeys have been replaced with known good ones). The schematics say the audio signals are a push/pull signal. I'm not sure what that means. Anyone moving/driving from Michigan to California and can move a game for me? Yeah, I know, wishful thinking. Thanks for any help. -Werner From benedict_m@palmer.edu Tue Jul 14 15:56:54 1998 Received: from bj.palmer.edu (bj.palmer.edu [205.221.214.254]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id PAA29222 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:56:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Elwood.palmer.edu ([205.221.214.3]) by palmer.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #27583) with SMTP id <01IZEA2B186W8WWUNX@palmer.edu> for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:55:17 CDT Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:59:05 -0500 From: Mike Benedict Subject: Sources for AY-3-8912? In-reply-to: <3.0.32.19980714104726.00b2d490 > X-Sender: benedict_m@pop.palmer.edu To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-id: <3.0.3.32.19980714155905.00e566f4@pop.palmer.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone have a line on some AY-3-8912 Programmable Sound Generators? Depending on cost I'm probably looking for up to 10 of them. Thanks, Mike Benedict From wsharp Tue Jul 14 16:11:11 1998 Received: from ns-1.macromedia.com (ns-1.macromedia.com [207.88.220.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id QAA03975 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:11:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ns-2.macromedia.com (ns-2.macromedia.com [207.88.156.10]) by ns-1.macromedia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08991 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from egl18 ([192.168.21.181]) by ns-2.macromedia.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01386 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980714141256.00ba3100 > X-Sender: wsharp X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:12:56 -0700 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Werner Sharp Subject: Re: Sources for AY-3-8912? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Alltronics had some a while ago. I think they were $8-$10. www.alltronics.com At 03:59 PM 7/14/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Anyone have a line on some AY-3-8912 Programmable Sound Generators? > >Depending on cost I'm probably looking for up to 10 of them. > >Thanks, >Mike Benedict > > > From Brendan.Keith Tue Jul 14 21:37:17 1998 Received: from wcghoue002.wilex.wilcom.com (wcghoue002.wilcom.com [169.206.239.198]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id VAA27007 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:37:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: by wcghoue002.wilcom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3VQZQTV5>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:37:26 -0500 Message-ID: <01603F7CF8C7D111B9B80000F80463F712907E > From: "Keith, Brendan" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: WTD: 25" monitor for my SW CP Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:37:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain No that's not a trade offer. I want to put a 25" monitor in mine. I currently have a 19" WG in it (working) and a dead 19" WG in my Tempest. I'll pay or trade. Let me know what you all have. I have other vector stuff and plenty of raster chassis and game PCBs. Thanks, Brendan Keith brendan.keith From benedict_m@palmer.edu Thu Jul 16 10:48:22 1998 Received: from bj.palmer.edu (bj.palmer.edu [205.221.214.254]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id KAA15362 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:48:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Elwood.palmer.edu ([205.221.214.3]) by palmer.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #27583) with SMTP id <01IZGRUWOY6K8WWXAA@palmer.edu> for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:47:05 CDT Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:51:30 -0500 From: Mike Benedict Subject: Re: Sources for AY-3-8912? In-reply-to: <3.0.32.19980714141256.00ba3100 > X-Sender: benedict_m@pop.palmer.edu (Unverified) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-id: <3.0.3.32.19980716105130.00deb374@pop.palmer.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for the lead, but Alltronics is sold out. Any other leads? Thanks, Mike Benedict At 14:12 7/14/98 -0700, you wrote: >Alltronics had some a while ago. I think they were $8-$10. > >www.alltronics.com > >At 03:59 PM 7/14/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >>Anyone have a line on some AY-3-8912 Programmable Sound Generators? >> >>Depending on cost I'm probably looking for up to 10 of them. >> >>Thanks, >>Mike Benedict >> >> >> > From joel-r Thu Jul 16 11:31:12 1998 Received: from atlrel1.hp.com (atlrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id LAA28970 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:31:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hpanr0.an.hp.com (hpanr0.an.hp.com [15.4.147.21]) by atlrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with SMTP id MAA06355 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpanzzaw.an.hp.com by hpanr0.an.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.8/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA19064; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:31:09 -0400 Message-Id: <35AE2B96.4839 > Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:34:30 -0400 From: Joel Rosenzweig Reply-To: joel-r Organization: Hewlett-Packard Medical Products Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Amplifone +/- 24v regulation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I'll have some feedback about this experiment shortly. I haven't made enough time to finish the conversion yet, but I think I'll have it done soon. I decided to connectorize the whole thing, and mount both the regulators and the transistors onto new heatsinks, with those 0.1" molex connectors joining the whole mix. I ran out of 0.1" pins, so that has stopped me momentarily. The local guys here at Active Electronics don't even know what they are, never mind whether or not they have them in stock. Sigh. Joel- Zonn wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:01:00 -0400, Joel Rosenzweig wrote: > > >Zonn, > > > >I wanted to thank you for taking the time to respond so thoroughly to my > >question regarding the Amplifone current regulation. That was really > >awesome to see a schematic accompany the reply!!! > > > >If I may be so bold .. what does the complementary circuit look like for > >the 7924/2N3716? I have this vision of swapping some combination of the > >transistor leads incorrectly. As you can tell, analog circuit design is > >not my area of expertise. :-) I mean, umm, given that this email is > >getting archived, shouldn't we have the circuit drawn out, just for the > >record? You know, just in case some other misguided soul tries to get > >rock solid performance out of his Amplifone this weekend? Yeah .. > >that's it. > > The 7924 looks nearly the same: > > +------------+--- ----------+ > | ^ E C / | > | \ / 2N3716 | > | 6 ohm 1/2 watt ----- | > | +--/\/\/---+ |B | > | | | | ------- | > -unreg ---+--+---X X----+-----+----|7924 |---+---- -24v reg > ^ in ------- out > Cut trace here |gnd > | > --- > - > > as opposed to the 7824: > > +------------+--- ----------+ > | \ E C / | > | V / 2N3792 | > | 6 ohm 1/2 watt ----- | > | +--/\/\/---+ |B | > | | | | ------- | > +unreg ---+--+---X X----+-----+----|7824 |---+---- +24v reg > ^ in ------- out > Cut trace here |gnd > | > --- > - > > I've marked the Emitter, Base and Collector of the transistor, and the IN, GND > and OUT of the regulators. > > The thing you must be careful about is the pinouts of the regulators. The IN, > OUT, and GND pins are numbered differently between the 7824 and the 7924. (Just > from memory I believe the OUT pin is the same on both regulators and the IN and > GND is swapped between them. Be careful and make sure to look this up in a data > book or something.) > > Use insulating washers when mounting the transistors to a heatsink (you'll have > to find a heatsink), check for shorts, blah, blah, blah... > > This circuit worked fine on a WG monitor, but it meant a lot of rewiring from > the original LV regulator. Anders design is so much easier to install, that the > LV2000 is definitely the way to go on a WG. > > As far as the Amplifone goes, the above circuit is a very easy one to implement, > without the need for a PC board. > > It'll be interesting to see how the beefed up regulators effect the Star Wars > explosion sequence! > > -Zonn > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: > |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically > / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures > / / //\\ // (__) > / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn > -------| // \\/ From twisnion Fri Jul 17 15:06:25 1998 Received: from smtp.enteract.com (thor.enteract.com [206.54.252.9]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with SMTP id PAA02009 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:06:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807172006.PAA02009@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu> Received: (qmail 29275 invoked from network); 17 Jul 1998 20:06:20 -0000 Received: from asahel-7.d.enteract.com (HELO tomw) (207.229.148.185) by thor.enteract.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 20:06:20 -0000 Reply-To: From: "TomW" To: Subject: GO8 Parts Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:08:26 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gang, Since this is probably the only group that would need/use most of this stuff, I'm asking ya first. As part of a package deal from a distributor, I would have for sale 15 G08 High Voltage cages, these are supposed to be brand new, complete with FB, just bolt it in a go. I have seen them, and they look new, except the focus lead has been soldered to, this might have been done during factory testing of the HV Unit, but does make me suspect of 'brand new', I would see them going for $25 each. I would also have about 30 or so GO8 Deflection transistors/transistor wiring harness/fans/heat sink assembly's, Some have missing transistors, as the transistors are supposed to be brand new. If you wanted a populated one $15 or void for transistors but with the fan $5. BTW: I wasn't' really planning on testing all this.... ;-) Plus shipping naturally... There is no way for me to use all of this stuff, and I'm hoping some of the 'vector gang' would have a use for this stuff. Like I said its part of a package deal, and I'd like to find good homes for this stuff. Thanks TomW From Mit_Matelske Fri Jul 17 15:29:02 1998 Received: from smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (ns3.BayNetworks.COM [192.32.253.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id PAA13445 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:29:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM ([132.245.135.84]) by smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09550 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lobster1.corpeast.Baynetworks.com (ns2.corpeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.72.17]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA00688 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bl-mail1.corpeast.BayNetworks.com (bl-mail1-nf0) by lobster1.corpeast.Baynetworks.com (4.1/BNET-97/04/29-S) id AA13618; Fri, 17 Jul 98 16:27:58 EDT for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Received: from mitnt ([206.210.192.186]) by bl-mail1.corpeast.BayNetworks.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0529 ID# 0-13458) with SMTP id AAA24470; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:27:53 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980717153102.00c58e60 > X-Sender: mmatelsk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:31:04 -0500 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, From: Mit_Matelske (Mit Matelske) Subject: Re: GO8 Parts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tom- I was wondering if I could get a 2 hv cages and 2 heat sinks with transistors... Total of $80 + shipping... Thanks, Mit Matelske From Mit_Matelske Fri Jul 17 15:53:30 1998 Received: from smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (ns1.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.3.20]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mcfeeley.mc-1.21) with ESMTP id PAA17930 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:53:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM ([132.245.135.84]) by smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14474 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lobster1.corpeast.Baynetworks.com (ns2.corpeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.72.17]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA02025 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bl-mail1.corpeast.BayNetworks.com (bl-mail1-nf0) by lobster1.corpeast.Baynetworks.com (4.1/BNET-97/04/29-S) id AA17414; Fri, 17 Jul 98 16:52:57 EDT for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Received: from mitnt ([206.210.192.186]) by bl-mail1.corpeast.BayNetworks.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0529 ID# 0-13458) with SMTP id AAA28785 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:52:52 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980717155602.00c51910 > X-Sender: mmatelsk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:56:03 -0500 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.ut