From jim@kinetic-arts.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 1 07:23:04 1999 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id HAA26530 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:23:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [158.152.125.97] (helo=kinetic-arts.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10onZN-000K4U-0K for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:23:02 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:20:57 +0100 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: James G Watt Subject: Re: Why can't games behave for company ? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In article , Christopher X. Candreva writes > >Why is it that some machine -- usually the latest I've gotten -- has to up >and quit on me whever company is over to play ? I thought this only happened to me! The first machine I ever got was a space invaders cocktail. First time the guys were round for a look - sound disappears :(. Just a 12volt fuse. My latest machine is a marble madness and although it survived the first time it was shown off, the second time people were over, the graphics went bad (I've put another marblemadnes cartridge board in the thing now and it works fine but I'd still like to know what's wrong with the original board. The game runs fine but all the colour is missing from the backgrounds and it appears in shades of grey). This happens all the time with game boards also. The funny thing is it's usually a problem you can fix within about 30 seconds of your guests leaving! -- James G Watt http://www.kinetic-arts.demon.co.uk Part of the Video Arcade Game Collectors WebRing. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. From raiford Tue Jun 1 07:48:03 1999 Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id HAA28092 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:48:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [204.240.133.14] (helo=orange) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id 10onxZ-0004L2-00; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:48:01 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990601084137.00932880 > X-Sender: us001378 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:41:37 -0400 To: Vector List From: Jon Raiford Subject: WG6100 is Fixed!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN For whatever reason, when I recapped my 6100 (mine has the P314 deflection board rev c without the input protection circuit), I had a region of the screen where vectors were oscillating instead of displaying as straight lines. The popular opinion in here was that I should check the HV cage (which I left off), but it was not the problem. I swapped in a P327 deflection board from my Gravitar and it worked great, and I threw in another P314 rev c (with the input protection circuit) and IT had the same problem. I also put the 2 P314's in the Gravitar monitor and they worked great. So it appeared to be a design problem that was corrected in later rev's of the monitor, so I looked in the documentation on the net (mainly the woodcock paper), and looked for the differences between the two. The only component in the deflection circuit was a .005 ? capacitor that was replaced with a .001 ?. When I made this change to the P314, the area that had the problem grew to most of the right side of the screen. After looking at the 2 boards, there were 2 other capacitors that were on the P314 and NOT the P327 (I have to look them up, but I think they were C703 and C603). They look like a long slender box. When I removed these, it cleared the screen up. I think this should be added to the documentation on these monitors so other people can avoid this same problem. Jon From Brendan.Keith Tue Jun 1 11:32:03 1999 Received: from resolver.wilcom.com (resolver.wilcom.com [169.206.12.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id LAA22837 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:32:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wcghoue003.wilex.wilcom.com (wcghoue003.wilcom.com [169.206.239.199]) by resolver.wilcom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12869 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:32:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: by wcghoue003.wilcom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:33:18 -0500 Message-ID: <01603F7CF8C7D111B9B80000F80463F763DAEE > From: "Keith, Brendan" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: Tempest DAC Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:33:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN OK, so I found 5 DAC312s at a local distributor and after replacing one, it wasn't the problem. First the XREF was mysteriously being held low so I jumpered in the YREF voltage. Then the YINV is being held low. It was getting late, so I clipped the harness jumper to get the signal at least going through the other section. Letting it through the proper section railed it. I don't know if one of the LF13201s is shorted internally, or what. Has anyone tried replacing it with a 4066? I finally got a signal all the way through to the outputs and the monitor came to life but it is one wacky picture. It's not the monitor, I tried a good board already. Has anyone marked up the schematics with expected waveforms at each stage? If not, I guess I'll have to try that with my good board. -- Brendan Keith brendan.keith From ClayC Tue Jun 1 11:34:21 1999 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id LAA23159 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:34:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA05755 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma005752; Tue, 1 Jun 99 09:34:10 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa09979; 1 Jun 99 9:34 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:34:10 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Tempest Multigame (behaviour).... Clean my house too?? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:34:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > > Hey Clay, maybe you could make my Tempest machine transform into a > Major > > Havoc game and be completely programmable so that it can also become > any > > other game (including cine games). Can you do that too? Huh. Huh. > > > > With FPGAs this could easily become a reality.... > (Too bad synthesizable CPU cores are so expensive. "Easily" probably isn't the word I'd have used, but I see your point. ;-) Of course, a PC running MAME with a Vector-video card almost meets the above spec. ;-) (The above comment was about 50% serious... MAME still doesn't quite cut it for me-- having been spoiled with the "real" hardware, I doubt anything but a real machine is close enough for my tastes. But MAME does beat the hell out of burning EPROMs for development!) -Clay From ClayC Tue Jun 1 11:50:30 1999 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id LAA25861 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:50:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA06058 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma006054; Tue, 1 Jun 99 09:50:14 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa11285; 1 Jun 99 9:50 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:50:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Tempest DAC Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:50:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > I don't know if one of the LF13201s is shorted > internally, or what. > Has anyone tried replacing it with a 4066? > Not going to work. The 4066 can't handle the larger differential supply (+/-15V) that the 13201 takes. The internal resistance of the 4066 would be a problem too, methinks. -Clay From Brendan.Keith Tue Jun 1 12:00:38 1999 Received: from resolver.wilcom.com (resolver.wilcom.com [169.206.12.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id MAA27151 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:00:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wcghoue003.wilex.wilcom.com (wcghoue003.wilcom.com [169.206.239.199]) by resolver.wilcom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA16971 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:00:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: by wcghoue003.wilcom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:01:52 -0500 Message-ID: <01603F7CF8C7D111B9B80000F80463F763DAEF > From: "Keith, Brendan" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Tempest DAC Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:02:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN -----Original Message----- From: Clay Cowgill [mailto:ClayC ] > I don't know if one of the LF13201s is shorted > internally, or what. > Has anyone tried replacing it with a 4066? > Not going to work. The 4066 can't handle the larger differential supply (+/-15V) that the 13201 takes. The internal resistance of the 4066 would be a problem too, methinks. -------------------------- Well, if it's going to only be in an upright, how about eliminating it altogether and just jumping pins 2 and 3. -- Brendan Keith brendan.keith From mowerman Tue Jun 1 12:03:16 1999 Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id MAA27486 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:03:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-109-148.s21.as3.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.148]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21593 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37541118.E8A91B8E > Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 12:58:00 -0400 From: Kev X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Tempest DAC References: <01603F7CF8C7D111B9B80000F80463F763DAEE > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "Keith, Brendan" wrote: Has anyone marked up the schematics with expected > waveforms at each stage? If not, I guess I'll have to try > that with my good board. > In my notebook I have just the output stage hand drawn. This would be a good thing to have on the net. Settings must be in the crosshatch test (something stable). Maybe someone has a nice storage scope that could capture digital images? I considered doing the same for my pac-man notebook but had drawing the waveforms is the pits, given my hand drawing. - Kev Mowerman >>REMOVE THE ? to REPLY Looking for Pac-Man related hacks & Video Game Coin Op Page -> http://www.erols.com/mowerman From zonn Tue Jun 1 12:04:22 1999 Received: from mail.propeller.com (IDENT:qmailr [204.216.217.130]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id MAA27626 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:04:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 4731 invoked from network); 1 Jun 1999 16:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO phd-zonn.propeller.com) (139.85.201.239) by ns1.propeller.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 1999 16:00:11 -0000 From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Tempest DAC Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:03:59 GMT Message-ID: <3754119a.1739783@mail> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id MAA27630 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:50:10 -0700 , you wrote: > >> I don't know if one of the LF13201s is shorted >> internally, or what. >> Has anyone tried replacing it with a 4066? >> >Not going to work. The 4066 can't handle the larger differential supply >(+/-15V) that the 13201 takes. The internal resistance of the 4066 >would be a problem too, methinks. This is completely from memory, but I believe there is a difference between the 4066 and the 74LS4066, and I *thought* the 74LS4066 allowed for a larger voltage swing which I *thought* was +/- 15v. But I could have it backwards, anyone have a some reference books to verify this? The 4016 and the 4066 also had different voltage ranges, and different internal resistances. -Zonn From zonn Tue Jun 1 12:09:15 1999 Received: from mail.propeller.com (IDENT:qmailr [204.216.217.130]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id MAA28396 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:09:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 4738 invoked from network); 1 Jun 1999 16:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO phd-zonn.propeller.com) (139.85.201.239) by ns1.propeller.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 1999 16:05:18 -0000 From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Tempest DAC Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:09:06 GMT Message-ID: <3757129f.2001226@mail> References: <01603F7CF8C7D111B9B80000F80463F763DAEE > In-Reply-To: <01603F7CF8C7D111B9B80000F80463F763DAEE > X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id MAA28397 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:33:27 -0500 , you wrote: >I don't know if one of the LF13201s is shorted >internally, or what. >Has anyone tried replacing it with a 4066? Oh, and while we're on the subject does anyone know of a source for TL182 analog switches (the kind used on Space War sound cards.) It looks like with some hacking you could use a 4066, but unfortunately the 4066 has the opposite polarity Enable line than a TL182. Yet there are enough, unused inverters on the sound board to hack in the 4066. I'd rather not hack if anyone knows of a source of these. -Zonn From ClayC Tue Jun 1 12:11:06 1999 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id MAA28588 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:11:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06385 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma006381; Tue, 1 Jun 99 10:11:02 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa12638; 1 Jun 99 10:11 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:11:02 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Why can't games behave for company ? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:11:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > Why is it that some machine -- usually the latest I've gotten -- has > to up > and quit on me whever company is over to play ? > Ahhh... Games are just electronics-- and most importantly modern video games are forms of computers. That makes them susceptible to the whim of "The Demo Gods". To a 20 year old video game, a group of 4 or 5 sceptical friends and/or relatives is tantamount to a packed house at COMDEX or MacWorld. What better time to do the arcade game equivalent of a General Protection Fault or System Error? Particularly effective when the proud owner is at the controls-- usually just after saying something like "yeah, it's been working great for months!" The Demo Gods give bonus points for smoke and/or loud snapping and popping noises. There's not much you can do. Some have had luck by drinking Mountain Dew or Jolt! as an offering before starting the demo-- others find solice in bringing some talisman to ward off The Demo Gods (a rubber chicken, Star Trek toy, etc.). Remember that having a spouse that's not-too-keen on the game(s) watching is pretty much like being the guy that has to launch Windows 98 while Bill Gates is standing on stage looking over his shoulder. The machine will often save the HCF instruction (Halt, Catch Fire) for just such an occasion. -Clay From ray Tue Jun 1 12:37:42 1999 Received: from tbone.agouron.com (tbone.agouron.com [198.182.177.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id MAA02062 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:37:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from gproxy@localhost) by tbone.agouron.com (8.9.1a/8.8.7) id KAA07905 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns3-wla.agouron.com(192.135.144.6), claiming to be "dns3.agouron.com" via SMTP by gauntlet.agouron.com, id smtpdAAAa001uv; Tue Jun 1 10:37:35 1999 Received: from ray (RAY.dhcp.agouron.com [10.0.5.140]) by dns3.agouron.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA00610 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:37:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ray ) Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: "Ray Ghanbari" To: Subject: RE: Why can't games behave for company ? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:36:14 -0700 Message-ID: <004601beac55$3f6e8d80$8c05000a > MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > [mailto:owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Clay > Cowgill > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 10:11 AM > To: 'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu' > Subject: RE: Why can't games behave for company ? > > > > Why is it that some machine -- usually the latest I've gotten -- has > > to up > > and quit on me whever company is over to play ? > > > Ahhh... Games are just electronics-- and most importantly modern video > games are forms of computers. That makes them susceptible to the whim > of "The Demo Gods". Actually, this is part of showing people what it means to collect these guys. Game breaks down, out comes the multi-meter and/or the spare PCB off the shelf. MUCH more effective demo than the stupid thing just working ;-) Ray From ClayC Tue Jun 1 13:14:22 1999 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id NAA06463 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:14:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07376 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma007373; Tue, 1 Jun 99 11:14:15 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa16715; 1 Jun 99 11:14 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:14:14 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Tempest DAC Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:14:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > This is completely from memory, but I believe there is a difference > between the 4066 and the 74LS4066, and I *thought* the 74LS4066 > allowed for a larger voltage swing which I *thought* was +/- 15v. > Hmmm. If I recally correctly the 4066 was sort of the "positive supply" version of the 4016. (The 4016 could have a +/-7V supply or whatever the CMOS would take, but the 4066 could only have up to a +7V supply?) > But I could have it backwards, anyone have a some reference books to > verify this? > Seems like you see 74CD40xx or 74HCT40xx or similar parts. (CMOS versions of the CD40xx family with the TTL 74 prefix.) The 74LS4066 might be possible with the LS process since it would kinda jive with the CD4066's supply range. I'd think that a 74LS4016 would not be possible though. > The 4016 and the 4066 also had different voltage ranges, and different > internal resistances. > Right-- I think the 4016 could take a bipolar supply (see above). -Clay From ClayC Tue Jun 1 13:16:51 1999 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id NAA08035 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:16:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07413 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma007411; Tue, 1 Jun 99 11:16:26 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa16985; 1 Jun 99 11:16 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:16:25 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Tempest DAC Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:16:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > Oh, and while we're on the subject does anyone know of a source for > TL182 analog switches (the kind used on Space War sound cards.) > Hmmmm. That's a stumper for me. > It looks like with some hacking you could use a 4066, but > unfortunately the 4066 has the opposite polarity Enable line than a > TL182. Yet there are enough, unused inverters on the sound board to > hack in the 4066. > Unless they're *relying* on the internal resistance of the 4066, you could also use the LF13xxx family-- they come in several different enable polarities. (And mixes of active high and low in the same package too...) -Clay From aek Tue Jun 1 13:23:47 1999 Received: from spies.com (root [198.180.182.10]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id NAA12681 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:23:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (727 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:22:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:22:57 -0700 (PDT) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Tempest DAC Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "> I don't know if one of the LF13201s is shorted > internally, or what. > Has anyone tried replacing it with a 4066? > Not going to work. The 4066 can't handle the larger differential supply (+/-15V) that the 13201 takes. The internal resistance of the 4066 would be a problem too, methinks. " There is a known problem that Cinematronics ran into that will blow the parts out if you loose one of the supply voltages. There is a diode hack that they used to get around this. I remember looking at this a while ago, doesn't Harris or Silicon General have equivalent parts? From aek Tue Jun 1 13:42:42 1999 Received: from spies.com (root [198.180.182.10]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id NAA16978 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:42:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (497 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:41:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:41:49 -0700 (PDT) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Tempest DAC Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "> Oh, and while we're on the subject does anyone know of a source for > TL182 analog switches (the kind used on Space War sound cards.) " These were made by a bunch of people according to my old IC master (AMD/National AM182, Siliconix DG182, Intersil) The TI parts are speced at 100 ohms on resistance 2xSPST, +/- 15v, 5v +/- 10v signal range From oren.m.williams Tue Jun 1 13:42:52 1999 Received: from fw1.tek.com (fw1.tek.com [192.65.17.16]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id NAA17017 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:42:48 -0500 (CDT) From: oren.m.williams Received: from fw1.tek.com (root@localhost) by fw1.tek.com with ESMTP id LAA05612 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tektronix.tek.com (tektronix.tek.com [134.62.6.81]) by fw1.tek.com with ESMTP id LAA05608 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filtronix.wv.tek.com (filtronix.tek.com [134.62.6.66]) by tektronix.tek.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15630 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us-wv-m01.wv.tek.com (us-wv-m01.wv.tek.com [134.62.3.28]) by filtronix.wv.tek.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21918 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by us-wv-m01.wv.tek.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:38:27 -0700 Message-ID: <6B57A2A3212BD2119C2600805F6F141301DE2D5D > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Why can't games behave for company ? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:38:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN After owning and playing my Battlezone for months, one of my best friends finally got to see it. Months previously, I had commented that I was thinking about buying an old arcade game and he had mentioned that Battlezone would be the greatest. I was really excited to show him the game and other than the screen bloom I still hadn't fixed, the game NEVER had any other problem. I turned the game on to show him and half of the screen was missing. I unplugged and plugged twice and the screen came back but now it was shooting characters all over the screen intermittently with the landscape display. I felt like such an idiot saying,"Wow, it's never done this before." It was true! It finally settled down minutes later, but he had lost interest at that point. So a few days after the above episode I plugged it in. It worked perfectly. Few weeks later, another good friend came over and I attempted to show him the game for the first time. It freaked out again! I still have never had it bug-out the same way when I'm playing the game alone. I've also showed it to my roomates dozens of times with no problems. Skeptical friends you're trying to impress with old arcade games ruin the games! Keep them away. oren From zonn Tue Jun 1 13:51:16 1999 Received: from mail.propeller.com (IDENT:qmailr [204.216.217.130]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id NAA18010 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:51:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 4865 invoked from network); 1 Jun 1999 17:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO phd-zonn.propeller.com) (139.85.201.239) by ns1.propeller.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 1999 17:47:18 -0000 From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Tempest DAC Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 18:51:08 GMT Message-ID: <375428d3.7685953@mail> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id NAA18014 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:14:09 -0700 , you wrote: >> This is completely from memory, but I believe there is a difference >> between the 4066 and the 74LS4066, and I *thought* the 74LS4066 >> allowed for a larger voltage swing which I *thought* was +/- 15v. >> >Hmmm. If I recally correctly the 4066 was sort of the "positive supply" >version of the 4016. (The 4016 could have a +/-7V supply or whatever >the CMOS would take, but the 4066 could only have up to a +7V supply?) These reason these are from memory is that I was at Fry's this weekend looking for the TL182 (DREAM ON!), and looked at some of their cross reference magazines, then went to their book dept to get some real information. What I learn about the 4016 and 4066 was that the 4066 was an improved version of the 4016 (in some ways) the 4066 has lower internal resistance, but more crosstalk than the 4016. They was also a difference in the maximum supply voltages, though both were bi-polar, but I can't remember which one was which, though I remember one allowing up to +/- 15v. The 74LS4066 parts were functionally identical, though they used a different semiconductor technology to do it. They might have had a different voltage range also. I don't remember seeing a 74LS4016, so you could be right about the LS process. I couldn't remember the LF13xxx family so I wasn't able to see if they were a good match. The TL182 only contained two switches in a 14 pin package with 4 N/C pins, and were underrated when compared to the 4066. So except for the enable polarity (and of course pinout) a 4066 would work fine. (In fact one 4066 would replace both TL182s) -Zonn >> But I could have it backwards, anyone have a some reference books to >> verify this? >> >Seems like you see 74CD40xx or 74HCT40xx or similar parts. (CMOS >versions of the CD40xx family with the TTL 74 prefix.) The 74LS4066 >might be possible with the LS process since it would kinda jive with the >CD4066's supply range. I'd think that a 74LS4016 would not be possible >though. > >> The 4016 and the 4066 also had different voltage ranges, and different >> internal resistances. >> >Right-- I think the 4016 could take a bipolar supply (see above). > >-Clay > From zonn Tue Jun 1 14:00:21 1999 Received: from mail.propeller.com (IDENT:qmailr [204.216.217.130]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id OAA18793 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:00:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 4874 invoked from network); 1 Jun 1999 17:56:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO phd-zonn.propeller.com) (139.85.201.239) by ns1.propeller.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 1999 17:56:24 -0000 From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Why can't games behave for company ? Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 19:00:13 GMT Message-ID: <37562be3.8469476@mail> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id OAA18797 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Mon, 31 May 1999 23:36:23 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > >Why is it that some machine -- usually the latest I've gotten -- has to up >and quit on me whever company is over to play ? All deaths seem to occur when others are around. The last Vector party I, brought my games to, took out about half of 'em! It also seems every time Gaymond comes over with something for me to fix, another (unrelated) game dies. Wait, wasn't Gaymond at all the vector parties? It's Gaymond! Well! I've solved my problem! ;^) -Zonn From fbowen Tue Jun 1 15:51:56 1999 Received: from balrelay.balt.checkfree.com ([207.196.74.140]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id PAA04925 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:51:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: by balrelay.balt.checkfree.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256783.00722BEE ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:47:03 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CHECKFREE From: "Franklin Bowen" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Message-ID: <85256783.00722AC8.00 > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:40:27 -0400 Subject: APOLOGIES! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN While I was on vacation, I had an e-mail auto-responder running after my sysadmin told me it would only reply to internal e-mail. Well, HE WAS WRONG! I'm just glad it didn't send the reply to the list (I think...)! PS I didn't get to see any vector machines in Hawaii, but I saw a really cool lava display! :-) From paull Tue Jun 1 16:51:51 1999 Received: from smtp1.us.dell.com (smtp1.us.dell.com [143.166.224.25]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id QAA16690 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:51:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from buckwheat-f0.us.dell.com (buckwheat-f0.us.dell.com [143.166.14.6]) by smtp1.us.dell.com (8.8.5/DELL-INET-10-14-1997) with SMTP id PAA18149 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:50:26 -0600 (GMT) Received: by buckwheat-f0.us.dell.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA07666; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:51:49 -0500 From: paull (Paul_Labuda) Message-Id: <199906012151.QAA07666 > Subject: unsubscriptions explained To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:51:49 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Fellow vectorheads, Well, here's an explanation of what happened to Clay and others with the automatic deletions. Nobody appears to have hacked headers to delete people. When you're deleted, it's almost always because your mailserver returns mail with a "permanent" error. Unfortunately, if your mailserver hiccups at all (Clay's appears to have done so thrice), you might be auto-deleted by listproc. - Paul Labuda labuda From remark Tue Jun 1 16:29:00 1999 [snip all the mail leading to the answer - PAL] >The address ClayC was deleted due to a mail delivery >error that listproc regards as a permanent condition. In this case, >the error returned was > > 554 ... Service unavailable > >I've seen this happen when mail alias databases are corrupt, when name >servers are bad, and for other reasons. > >This would appear to be a recurrent situations. There are 3 separate >entries for ClayC in the log of automatically removed users. > >--mic-- From fbowen Tue Jun 1 17:02:42 1999 Received: from balrelay.balt.checkfree.com ([207.196.74.140]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id RAA18633 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:02:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: by balrelay.balt.checkfree.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256783.0078AF0B ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:58:11 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CHECKFREE From: "Franklin Bowen" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-ID: <85256783.0078AE6B.00 > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:03:07 -0400 Subject: Re: unsubscriptions explained Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN So what you're REALLY saying is: Go ahead and write a script to automatically subscribe yourself to the list. And be sure to run it every few seconds! :-) paull (Paul_Labuda) on 06/01/99 05:51:49 PM Please respond to vectorlist To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu cc: (bcc: Franklin Bowen/MD/CheckFree) Subject: unsubscriptions explained Fellow vectorheads, Well, here's an explanation of what happened to Clay and others with the automatic deletions. Nobody appears to have hacked headers to delete people. When you're deleted, it's almost always because your mailserver returns mail with a "permanent" error. Unfortunately, if your mailserver hiccups at all (Clay's appears to have done so thrice), you might be auto-deleted by listproc. - Paul Labuda labuda From remark Tue Jun 1 16:29:00 1999 [snip all the mail leading to the answer - PAL] >The address ClayC was deleted due to a mail delivery >error that listproc regards as a permanent condition. In this case, >the error returned was > > 554 ... Service unavailable > >I've seen this happen when mail alias databases are corrupt, when name >servers are bad, and for other reasons. > >This would appear to be a recurrent situations. There are 3 separate >entries for ClayC in the log of automatically removed users. > >--mic-- From ClayC Tue Jun 1 17:14:12 1999 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id RAA20042 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:14:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA12012 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma012006; Tue, 1 Jun 99 15:13:53 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa04153; 1 Jun 99 15:13 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:13:51 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: unsubscriptions explained Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:13:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > Unfortunately, if your mailserver hiccups at all (Clay's appears to > have > done so thrice), you might be auto-deleted by listproc. > Thanks for checking into it Paul. I'll just be forwarding this to the "nothing's wrong with the server" IT guys. :-) (I wonder if it isn't something between utexas and the rest of world though-- since both Ray and I got bit in the last couple days?) Guess I should go cut Zonn down from the stake on the wood-pile... No burning witches today... 8^) (And, no Zonn, I didn't really think you were the culprit-- although it wouldn't surprise me if *someone* was... ;-) -Clay > From remark Tue Jun 1 16:29:00 1999 > > [snip all the mail leading to the answer - PAL] > > >The address ClayC was deleted due to a mail delivery > >error that listproc regards as a permanent condition. In this case, > >the error returned was > > > > 554 ... Service unavailable > > > >I've seen this happen when mail alias databases are corrupt, when > name > >servers are bad, and for other reasons. > > > >This would appear to be a recurrent situations. There are 3 separate > >entries for ClayC in the log of automatically removed users. > > > >--mic-- > > From zonn Tue Jun 1 17:38:30 1999 Received: from mail.propeller.com (IDENT:qmailr [204.216.217.130]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id RAA01345 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:38:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 5073 invoked from network); 1 Jun 1999 21:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO phd-zonn.propeller.com) (139.85.201.239) by ns1.propeller.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 1999 21:34:31 -0000 From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: unsubscriptions explained Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 22:38:24 GMT Message-ID: <37555f65.21657636@mail> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id RAA01346 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 15:13:41 -0700 , you wrote: > >> Unfortunately, if your mailserver hiccups at all (Clay's appears to >> have >> done so thrice), you might be auto-deleted by listproc. >> >Thanks for checking into it Paul. I'll just be forwarding this to the >"nothing's wrong with the server" IT guys. :-) > >(I wonder if it isn't something between utexas and the rest of world >though-- since both Ray and I got bit in the last couple days?) > >Guess I should go cut Zonn down from the stake on the wood-pile... No >burning witches today... 8^) (And, no Zonn, I didn't really think you >were the culprit-- although it wouldn't surprise me if *someone* was... >;-) > >-Clay Ok, I confess... IT WAS ME!!!! HA! HA! Damn I'm good huh?? Infecting you're server with the "Mailserver Hiccup Virus" was a stroke of genius on my part!! YESSSSS!!!!! (Uh... it sure is getting hot up here... Do you guys really need to light that fire, it's summer and the weather is looking fine... I'm not at all cold... Guys? GUYS??) -Zonn From ClayC Tue Jun 1 18:18:22 1999 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id SAA05622 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:18:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13363 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma013361; Tue, 1 Jun 99 16:17:54 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa08866; 1 Jun 99 16:17 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:17:52 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: unsubscriptions explained Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:17:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > (Uh... it sure is getting hot up here... Do you guys really need to > light that fire, it's summer and the weather is looking fine... I'm > not at all cold... Guys? GUYS??) > Hmmmmm... What goes on woodpiles? Wood. What are witches made of? Wood. So, if Zonn's on the woodpile then he must... be a witch! A witch! BURN `IM ANYWAY!!! ;-) -Clay From ClayC Tue Jun 1 19:41:13 1999 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id TAA12571 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:41:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA15093 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma015077; Tue, 1 Jun 99 17:40:37 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa15058; 1 Jun 99 17:40 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:40:35 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: Tempest Multigame shipping update Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:40:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hey all. As of Friday "all I needed to do" on the software side was add sound to Vector Breakout. :-) As of Tuesday (today), 864 lines of assembly code later, "all I need to do" is add sound to Vector Breakout. :-/ Never understimate the time required to add "finishing touches". What I have to show for the weekend and all the assembly code is: Menu System Improvements 1) instruction messages cycle on menu 2) default game set by pressing super-zapper 3) default game (if set) marked by animated "Spiker" from Tempest 4) default game cleared by entering menu with test-mode switch closed 5) default game automatically started on boot (unless #4 active) 6) smoother control response for game selection 7) smoother animation 8) screen saver cycles with menu to help prevent burn-in Todo: 1) test Vector Breakout Improments 1) added "all time high score" storage in EAROM 2) added demo-mode cycling to prevent chance of burn-in (demo mode-> title screen only-> both, repeat) 3) added free-play mode (when Tempest is set to free play, v-breakout is free play, credits show "free play") 4) changed attract mode messages to mimic play mode (free/coin) 5) added high-score display on title screen Todo: 1) add sound fx 2) tune difficulty ramp 3) test So, the software parts are officially "close". (Still.) I'm shooting for those to be put to bed by Wednesday. I'll then work on the manual. I should have that done by Friday. Weekend will be spent getting the first batch of boards ready to ship. All in all I'm slipping about a week. Hopefully be able to ship the first batch at the end of next week instead of the end of this week. Sorry `bout the delay. -Clay From chris Tue Jun 1 21:24:46 1999 Received: from westnet.com (chris [206.24.6.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id VAA26665 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:24:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by westnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA19018 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:24:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: G-80 AC Voltage to card cage Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Trying to get my Star Trek running again . . . I just want to verify what the AC voltage supplied to the G-80 card cage should be. G-80 info document from spies says it should be 3v . Mine is reading about 7-8 VAC. All other voltages look right. Except, of course, nothing seems to be working -- no led on the CPU board, nothing. -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From jrr Wed Jun 2 01:51:45 1999 Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (imail [24.2.10.66]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id BAA21325 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:51:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from flippers.com ([24.113.14.85]) by mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990602065137.YNDL18720.mail.rdc1.bc.home.com > for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:51:37 -0700 Message-ID: <3754D48A.F4442CEC > Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:51:54 -0700 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: unsubscriptions explained References: <199906012151.QAA07666 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Paul, what are the words that are "illegal" to use in the first line or two of a message? I have found that the word "p u t" causes a bounce-back from the list server, what other words? John :-#)# Paul_Labuda wrote: > > Fellow vectorheads, > > Well, here's an explanation of what happened to Clay and others with the > automatic deletions. Nobody appears to have hacked headers to delete > people. When you're deleted, it's almost always because your mailserver > returns mail with a "permanent" error. > > Unfortunately, if your mailserver hiccups at all (Clay's appears to have > done so thrice), you might be auto-deleted by listproc. > > - Paul Labuda > labuda > > From remark Tue Jun 1 16:29:00 1999 > > [snip all the mail leading to the answer - PAL] > > >The address ClayC was deleted due to a mail delivery > >error that listproc regards as a permanent condition. In this case, > >the error returned was > > > > 554 ... Service unavailable > > > >I've seen this happen when mail alias databases are corrupt, when name > >servers are bad, and for other reasons. > > > >This would appear to be a recurrent situations. There are 3 separate > >entries for ClayC in the log of automatically removed users. > > > >--mic-- -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From jrr Wed Jun 2 01:56:05 1999 Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (imail [24.2.10.66]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id BAA21389 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:56:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from flippers.com ([24.113.14.85]) by mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990602065558.YOJX18720.mail.rdc1.bc.home.com > for ; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:55:58 -0700 Message-ID: <3754D58F.B85A7A09 > Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:56:15 -0700 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: G-80 AC Voltage to card cage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Chris! I don't recall the exact voltage, but this is strictly for a simple interrupt I believe, it is isolated by a cap and so the 7VAC should be fine, just avoid AC over, say 40V on this line... John :-#)# "Christopher X. Candreva" wrote: > > Trying to get my Star Trek running again . . . > > I just want to verify what the AC voltage supplied to the G-80 card cage > should be. G-80 info document from spies says it should be 3v . Mine is > reading about 7-8 VAC. All other voltages look right. > > Except, of course, nothing seems to be working -- no led on the CPU board, > nothing. > > -Chris > > ========================================================== > Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 > WestNet Internet Services of Westchester > http://www.westnet.com/ -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From jrr Wed Jun 2 02:19:46 1999 Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (imail [24.2.10.66]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id CAA22366 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:19:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from flippers.com ([24.113.14.85]) by mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990602071938.YVAA18720.mail.rdc1.bc.home.com > for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:19:38 -0700 Message-ID: <3754DB1A.52843E53 > Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 00:19:54 -0700 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Tollean (sp?) Web References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi, all! I seem to have found this board in my piles of boards, anyone have info on it? Was it another conversion for Tempest or Gravitar? I have no schematics and am a little reluctant to plug it in... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From Thomas43 Wed Jun 2 02:23:24 1999 Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id CAA22550 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:23:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Thomas43 Received: from Thomas43 (8039) by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id oUFMa14682 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 03:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 03:22:18 EDT Subject: Re: Tollean (sp?) Web To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 52 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In a message dated 6/2/99 12:20:45 AM, jrr writes: << Hi, all! I seem to have found this board in my piles of boards, anyone have info on it? Was it another conversion for Tempest or Gravitar? I have no schematics and am a little reluctant to plug it in... John :-#)# >> That's a Major Havoc board. Don't plug it in, unless you have the proper adapter (Tempest->MH or Space Duel/Gravitar -> MH). From david Wed Jun 2 06:51:24 1999 Received: from po2.bbn.com (PO2.BBN.COM [192.1.50.36]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id GAA08832 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:51:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bbn.com (DHCP006-222.BBN.COM [171.78.6.222]) by po2.bbn.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA29186 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37551A1E.D186D470 > Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 07:48:46 -0400 From: ddhumphr Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Organization: GTE Internetworking X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: unsubscriptions explained References: <199906012151.QAA07666 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I always thought this was a pretty fascist version of listproc! Ace Paul_Labuda wrote: > Fellow vectorheads, > > Well, here's an explanation of what happened to Clay and others with the > automatic deletions. Nobody appears to have hacked headers to delete > people. When you're deleted, it's almost always because your mailserver > returns mail with a "permanent" error. > > Unfortunately, if your mailserver hiccups at all (Clay's appears to have > done so thrice), you might be auto-deleted by listproc. > > - Paul Labuda > labuda > > From remark Tue Jun 1 16:29:00 1999 > > [snip all the mail leading to the answer - PAL] > > >The address ClayC was deleted due to a mail delivery > >error that listproc regards as a permanent condition. In this case, > >the error returned was > > > > 554 ... Service unavailable > > > >I've seen this happen when mail alias databases are corrupt, when name > >servers are bad, and for other reasons. > > > >This would appear to be a recurrent situations. There are 3 separate > >entries for ClayC in the log of automatically removed users. > > > >--mic-- From raiford Wed Jun 2 07:30:22 1999 Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id HAA10005 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:30:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [204.240.133.14] (helo=orange) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id 10pAA0-0002Gt-00; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:30:20 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990602082812.00942100 > X-Sender: us001378 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:28:12 -0400 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Jon Raiford Subject: Re: Tollean (sp?) Web In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Not only is it a Major Havoc, but it is for the dedicated version. If you are worried about plugging it in, I'm sure any number of us on the list would love to have it (including me, hint, hint). Check out Jess's page on it at: http://www.gamearchive.com/video/manufacturer/atari/vector/html/major_havoc.html also be sure to check out the Alpha 1 page (I think it goes into more detail on the Tolians Web stuff) BTW, Jess, have you considered hacking the roms to remove a wall from the side of the maze so we can see that "special surprise"? I might have to dig around to do it myself, but since you already are familiar with the code... Jon At 03:22 AM 6/2/99 EDT, you wrote: > >In a message dated 6/2/99 12:20:45 AM, jrr writes: > ><< Hi, all! > >I seem to have found this board in my piles of boards, anyone have info >on it? Was it another conversion for Tempest or Gravitar? I have no >schematics and am a little reluctant to plug it in... > >John :-#)# >> > >That's a Major Havoc board. Don't plug it in, unless you have the proper >adapter (Tempest->MH or Space Duel/Gravitar -> MH). > > From jess Wed Jun 2 09:14:46 1999 Received: from roper.uwyo.edu (pmdf@roper.uwyo.edu [129.72.10.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id JAA18492 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:14:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from asuwlink.uwyo.edu (asuwlink.uwyo.edu [129.72.60.2]) by ROPER.UWYO.EDU (PMDF V5.2-32 #33749) with ESMTP id <0FCP00D8XE87IT@ROPER.UWYO.EDU> for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:14:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from magenta.com (ras8746.uwyo.edu [129.72.87.46]) by asuwlink.uwyo.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA29300 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:14:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:15:07 -0600 From: Jess Askey Subject: Re: Tollian Web To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-id: <37553C6B.9F597BF4 > MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3.0.5.32.19990602082812.00942100 > Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Jon Raiford wrote: > BTW, Jess, have you considered hacking the roms to remove a wall from the side of > the maze so we can see that "special surprise"? I might have to dig around to > do it myself, but since you already are familiar with the code... > Sure, I can do that I believe. Let me take a look tonight. The special surprise probably wouldn't mean much if you saw it tho... it is the designers initials. From fbowen Wed Jun 2 09:30:31 1999 Received: from balrelay.balt.checkfree.com ([207.196.74.140]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id JAA26516 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:30:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: by balrelay.balt.checkfree.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256784.004F3D38 ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:25:30 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CHECKFREE From: "Franklin Bowen" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-ID: <85256784.004F3C42.00 > Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:30:29 -0400 Subject: Expiring continue timer (was Re: Tempest Multigame (behaviour)) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Wasn't there a way to speed up the continue timer? I thought I just hit the fire button 10 times really fast or something like that to expire it. Maybe it was a different game? MKDUD on 05/30/99 12:34:24 AM Please respond to vectorlist To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu cc: (bcc: Franklin Bowen/MD/CheckFree) Subject: Re: Tempest Multigame (behaviour) Back in the day, a true Tempest phreak would wait at the machine AFTER his game was over for the "continue" timer to expire, so no idiot could walk in and bump his score by continuing...Perhaps Clay an incorporate someting that expires the continue timer by pushing the fire and superzapper buttons at the same time after the player has entered their high score.... From paull Wed Jun 2 10:02:40 1999 Received: from smtp1.us.dell.com (smtp1.us.dell.com [143.166.224.25]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id KAA03938 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:02:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from buckwheat-f0.us.dell.com (buckwheat-f0.us.dell.com [143.166.14.6]) by smtp1.us.dell.com (8.8.5/DELL-INET-10-14-1997) with SMTP id JAA06320 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:01:10 -0600 (GMT) Received: by buckwheat-f0.us.dell.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA13730; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:02:37 -0500 From: paull (Paul_Labuda) Message-Id: <199906021502.KAA13730 > Subject: Re: unsubscriptions explained To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:02:37 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <3754D48A.F4442CEC > from "John Robertson" at Jun 1, 99 11:51:54 pm Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN It doesn't like words like get or put at the beginning of a message. Here's a list of words that listproc will likely choke upon: ... SEArch, GET, AFD, HELp, LISts, SUBscribe, SET, WHIch, PURge, and INDex ... I hope that leading ellipsis will allow this message to get through. :-) Basically, any time the listproc program thinks you're trying to send a command to it, even to list address (you're supposed to send commands to listproc@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, not vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu), it will bounce your message back to you and show you in lovely CAPITAL LETTERS what your offending line was. It doesn't happen too often that the stupid program thinks you're trying to send it a command, but it does admittedly happen often enough to be annoying. One lovely way to stymie the stupid command interpreter, which I think shouldn't be scanning the vectorlist at all, anyway, is to start your message, on the first line, with: -- That will tell listproc not to process anything following the "--." - Paul John Robertson writes: > >Paul, what are the words that are "illegal" to use in the first line or >two of a message? I have found that the word "p u t" causes a >bounce-back from the list server, what other words? > >John :-#)# > >Paul_Labuda wrote: >> >> Fellow vectorheads, >> >> Well, here's an explanation of what happened to Clay and others with the >> automatic deletions. Nobody appears to have hacked headers to delete >> people. When you're deleted, it's almost always because your mailserver >> returns mail with a "permanent" error. >> >> Unfortunately, if your mailserver hiccups at all (Clay's appears to have >> done so thrice), you might be auto-deleted by listproc. >> >> - Paul Labuda >> labuda >> >> From remark Tue Jun 1 16:29:00 1999 >> >> [snip all the mail leading to the answer - PAL] >> >> >The address ClayC was deleted due to a mail delivery >> >error that listproc regards as a permanent condition. In this case, >> >the error returned was >> > >> > 554 ... Service unavailable >> > >> >I've seen this happen when mail alias databases are corrupt, when name >> >servers are bad, and for other reasons. >> > >> >This would appear to be a recurrent situations. There are 3 separate >> >entries for ClayC in the log of automatically removed users. >> > >> >--mic-- > >-- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > mailto:jrr > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." > > From MILSOM44@webtv.net Wed Jun 2 10:15:55 1999 Received: from mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id KAA06104 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:15:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from postoffice-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net (postoffice-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.175]) by mailsorter-105-1.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id IAA27920; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by postoffice-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) id IAA12195; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:15:54 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAxMM5arIj350dJ7czTYGBcgt2oV4CFQCq6TzOaTubW3tBkmTrkPYOE/Z05w== From: MILSOM44@webtv.net (jason Milsom) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:15:53 -0700 (PDT) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: unsubscriptions explained Message-ID: <26668-37554AA9-609@postoffice-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: paull (Paul_Labuda)'s message of Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:02:37 -0500 (CDT) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Once I tried to send a message with the words Congo Bongo in it. Listproc. recognized Congo Bongo as a command and rejected it. (I wonder if this will work now). What do you think the comand "Congo Bongo" means to Listproc? Crazy Jason Milsom From paull Wed Jun 2 10:25:32 1999 Received: from smtp1.us.dell.com (smtp1.us.dell.com [143.166.224.25]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id KAA07615 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:25:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from buckwheat-f0.us.dell.com (buckwheat-f0.us.dell.com [143.166.14.6]) by smtp1.us.dell.com (8.8.5/DELL-INET-10-14-1997) with SMTP id JAA13236 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:24:01 -0600 (GMT) Received: by buckwheat-f0.us.dell.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA14185; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:25:29 -0500 From: paull (Paul_Labuda) Message-Id: <199906021525.KAA14185 > Subject: Administrivia: keyword fun To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:25:29 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <26668-37554AA9-609@postoffice-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net> from "jason Milsom" at Jun 2, 99 08:15:53 am Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN -- :-) CONfigure is a verboten word, so apparently our lovely friend listproc looks at the first three letters of a word. Why are you asking about Congo Bongo on vectorlist, anyway? Maybe listproc is taking care of raster messages for us... ;-) I don't think there's a way to turn off the keyword checks, unfortunately. It does manage to filter out a few commands that users mistakenly send to the list instead of the listproc, but it causes more pain on occasion than good, I think. - Paul jason Milsom writes: > >Once I tried to send a message with the words Congo Bongo in it. >Listproc. recognized Congo Bongo as a command and rejected it. (I wonder >if this will work now). What do you think the comand "Congo Bongo" means >to Listproc? Crazy > >Jason Milsom > > From chris Wed Jun 2 10:27:25 1999 Received: from westnet.com (chris [206.24.6.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id KAA07958 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:27:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by westnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06756 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:27:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Why can't games behave for company ? In-Reply-To: <004601beac55$3f6e8d80$8c05000a > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Ray Ghanbari wrote: > Actually, this is part of showing people what it means to collect these > guys. Game breaks down, out comes the multi-meter and/or the spare PCB off > the shelf. MUCH more effective demo than the stupid thing just working ;-) This works early in a party. Later in the evening, after I've had a few beers (and more importantly, everyone is standing around with beers in their hands), opening a machine and starting to do tests could be - - - bad. Thanks for the story Clay -- I needed that. -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From jrr Wed Jun 2 10:37:26 1999 Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (imail [24.2.10.66]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id KAA10133 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:37:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from flippers.com ([24.113.14.85]) by mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990602153718.DLJL18720.mail.rdc1.bc.home.com > for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:37:18 -0700 Message-ID: <37554FBE.BA7AB5D4 > Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:37:34 -0700 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: unsubscriptions explained References: <199906021502.KAA13730 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN -- Most helpful, for now I think I'll just pop the "--" at the beginning of any message I think might put me at risk. Maybe the style "Hi, So and so! --" would work fine too...IT has been a minor pain not knowing, thanks! John :-#)# Paul_Labuda wrote: > > It doesn't like words like get or put at the beginning of a message. > Here's a list of words that listproc will likely choke upon: > > ... SEArch, GET, AFD, HELp, LISts, SUBscribe, SET, WHIch, PURge, and INDex ... > > I hope that leading ellipsis will allow this message to get through. :-) > Basically, any time the listproc program thinks you're trying to send a > command to it, even to list address (you're supposed to send commands to > listproc@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, not vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu), it > will bounce your message back to you and show you in lovely CAPITAL LETTERS > what your offending line was. It doesn't happen too often that the stupid > program thinks you're trying to send it a command, but it does admittedly > happen often enough to be annoying. > > One lovely way to stymie the stupid command interpreter, which I think > shouldn't be scanning the vectorlist at all, anyway, is to start your > message, on the first line, with: > > -- > > That will tell listproc not to process anything following the "--." > > - Paul > > John Robertson writes: > > > >Paul, what are the words that are "illegal" to use in the first line or > >two of a message? I have found that the word "p u t" causes a > >bounce-back from the list server, what other words? > > > >John :-#)# > > > >Paul_Labuda wrote: > >> > >> Fellow vectorheads, > >> > >> Well, here's an explanation of what happened to Clay and others with the > >> automatic deletions. Nobody appears to have hacked headers to delete > >> people. When you're deleted, it's almost always because your mailserver > >> returns mail with a "permanent" error. > >> > >> Unfortunately, if your mailserver hiccups at all (Clay's appears to have > >> done so thrice), you might be auto-deleted by listproc. > >> > >> - Paul Labuda > >> labuda > >> > >> From remark Tue Jun 1 16:29:00 1999 > >> > >> [snip all the mail leading to the answer - PAL] > >> > >> >The address ClayC was deleted due to a mail delivery > >> >error that listproc regards as a permanent condition. In this case, > >> >the error returned was > >> > > >> > 554 ... Service unavailable > >> > > >> >I've seen this happen when mail alias databases are corrupt, when name > >> >servers are bad, and for other reasons. > >> > > >> >This would appear to be a recurrent situations. There are 3 separate > >> >entries for ClayC in the log of automatically removed users. > >> > > >> >--mic-- > > > >-- > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > > mailto:jrr > > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." > > > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From ClayC Wed Jun 2 13:44:18 1999 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id NAA21090 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:44:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24614 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma024610; Wed, 2 Jun 99 11:44:05 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa18224; 2 Jun 99 11:44 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:44:04 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: Tempest Multigame pre-orders (extension) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:44:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Ok, I've already got three e-mail today from people that missed the cutoff, so since I'm behind myself I'll extend the $75 offer until this Friday, June 4th, 1999. After that the price is up at $99 and staying there. ;-) The order form is available at: http://www.multigame.com/pre_order.html I'll go by the postmarks for the cutoff date and I will return orders (at $75) mailed after this Friday. (Not fair to the people that abided by the original cutoff if I keep extending it.) Thanks, -Clay From raiford Wed Jun 2 15:58:41 1999 Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id PAA08682 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:58:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [204.240.133.14] (helo=orange) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id 10pI5t-0003FP-00; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:58:38 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990602165629.00806c90 > X-Sender: us001378 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:56:29 -0400 To: Vector List From: Jon Raiford Subject: WG6100 chasis replacements? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Are there any chasis' that can be used on a WG6100 other than a WG6100? I know you can get the tube from another monitor provided you have the vector yoke, but is it possible to use another chasis? I assume it may be tough unless I drill my own holes for the chasis transistors and wire them up myself, but I figured I'd ask the experts (although nobody seemed to notice when I pointed out a discrepancy with the woodcock article). Jon From aek Wed Jun 2 16:27:32 1999 Received: from spies.com (root [198.180.182.10]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id QAA10474 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:27:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (267 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:26:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:26:42 -0700 (PDT) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: WG6100 chassis Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Someone on the list must have a spare chassis. I know John Robertson bought all the 6100's Frazee had at one point. From rodspade Wed Jun 2 19:28:04 1999 Received: from paonline.com (mail.paonline.com [207.44.20.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id TAA09344 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:28:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from paonline.com [216.1.197.27] by paonline.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.04) id ABFA93E01B4; Wed, 02 Jun 1999 20:27:38 EDT Message-ID: <3755CA38.49FF6CFA > Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 20:20:08 -0400 From: Rod Spade Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Credit-maker? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I would be interested in getting one of these for my Ms Pac Man so I can have "free play" (start button automatically adds credits, then starts game) without disabling the attract screen. Another cool feature would be some magic button input combination that toggles the "freeze" mode dipswitch so I can pause the game when the phone rings. If you can combine all that with the secret reset/multigame menu option, I would buy two of them (one for Ms Pac and one for Tempest (Tempest doesn't need the credit-on-start option because free play doesn't override the attract screen, but a pause feature would be really nice)). Clay Cowgill wrote: > > > Why not have only two inputs and 3 outputs? Two inputs for the start > > buttons, one output for the coin switch, one output each for the start > > button circuits. > > > > Pressing the 1 Player start button first closes the coin switch and > > then > > (250 ms later) closes the start circuit. The 2 player start button > > closes > > the coin switch twice and then the start circuit. > > > That would work. I was thinking of having it "secret" (like push left > on joystick and press P2 start for a credit), but I like your idea > rather a lot-- only "gotcha" is that the start button would have to be > in series with the credit-maker because you need to apply the start > button *after* the credits. I'd probably make the cycle more like 750ms > or so in case some games disable reading other inputs while a coin drop > is being "debounced". > > If you intercept the "start" button you could also do something like a > "press and hold" equals a coin drop (could have it auto-repeat like a > keyboard too for multiple credits) and a "short press" sends the start > signal (start). > > > (Uh oh.... could this be a new project?) > > > If people think it's useful. I'd guestimate I could make and sell a > "magic combination" credit-maker for about $8 with a relay output > (basically the same as the reset adapter). The "push start for > credit/game" credit-maker would probably be about $9-9.50. (figuring > just adding a little 8-pin PIC with internal oscillator for about $1.25) > > Certainly do-able if people want it. > > -Clay From jess Wed Jun 2 20:23:00 1999 Received: from roper.uwyo.edu (pmdf@roper.uwyo.edu [129.72.10.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id UAA14812 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:22:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from asuwlink.uwyo.edu (asuwlink.uwyo.edu [129.72.60.2]) by ROPER.UWYO.EDU (PMDF V5.2-32 #33749) with ESMTP id <0FCQ0093N8P879@ROPER.UWYO.EDU> for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:12:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ___ (ras8733.uwyo.edu [129.72.87.33]) by asuwlink.uwyo.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA28509 for ; Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:12:43 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:09:20 -0600 From: Jess Askey Subject: Re: Tollian Web To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-id: <3755D5C0.7A50 > MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <3.0.5.32.19990602082812.00942100 > <37553C6B.9F597BF4 > Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Okay, the ROM is up at... http://www.gamearchive.com/temp/ At the bottom of waves 1,5,9,13,etc, there is a hole in the bottom of the maze. I wandered around a bit in MAME but didn't really see anything. The cool part about the data area in RAM for the maze is that it is quite large, on the small level (1,5,9,13) there is still data in the RAM but it is not shown on the display, so you will see once you fall down through the hole, it is tricky to get around. Especially with limited oxygen! :-) If anyone finds something of interest, let us know! Jess Askey wrote: > > Jon Raiford wrote: > > BTW, Jess, have you considered hacking the roms to remove a wall from the side of > > the maze so we can see that "special surprise"? I might have to dig around to > > do it myself, but since you already are familiar with the code... > > > Sure, I can do that I believe. Let me take a look tonight. The special > surprise probably wouldn't mean much if you saw it tho... it is the > designers initials. From MKDUD Wed Jun 2 23:08:08 1999 Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id XAA08593 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:08:08 -0500 (CDT) From: MKDUD Received: from MKDUD (8064) by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id oTWUa05854 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:07:09 EDT Subject: Re: Tempest-- (AKA, Clay and Zonn beating each other's brains out) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In a message dated 5/31/99 4:27:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, andrew writes: << I would submit that this is an element of modern game design. >> <> True, but it is this aspect of "modern game design" (or lack of design, in my opinion) that totally ruins their staying power. I'd say you'd have to have a really high midichlorian count to play Tempest to over 400k, starting at level one. Difference is, you want to play Tempest again, and again, and again........ From aek Wed Jun 2 23:55:03 1999 Received: from spies.com (root [198.180.182.10]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id XAA13989 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:55:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (408 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:54:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:54:14 -0700 (PDT) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Atari repair course book on spies Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN http://www.spies.com/arcade/bronzeage/TheBook.pdf This is the course book called "The Book" which covers basic electronics/digital logic and contains some interesting Atari specific info, like all the monitor schematics up through 1980. From jrr Thu Jun 3 00:02:51 1999 Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (imail [24.2.10.66]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id AAA14596 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:02:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from flippers.com ([24.113.14.85]) by mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990603050231.QNAR18720.mail.rdc1.bc.home.com > for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:02:31 -0700 Message-ID: <37560C77.F339DB76 > Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 22:02:47 -0700 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: WG6100 chassis References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Um, I do have a few chassis left, must figure out what to do with them. Can anyone help? Have some GO8's too...along with Hoei Star Castle, Tempest cabaret (gutted), and some other stuff I must get rid of. John :-#)# Al Kossow wrote: > > Someone on the list must have a spare chassis. I know John Robertson > bought all the 6100's Frazee had at one point. -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From jrr Thu Jun 3 00:05:25 1999 Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (imail [24.2.10.66]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id AAA15010 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:05:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from flippers.com ([24.113.14.85]) by mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990603050515.QOAR18720.mail.rdc1.bc.home.com > for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:05:15 -0700 Message-ID: <37560D19.FC15F410 > Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 22:05:29 -0700 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Tollian Web References: <3.0.5.32.19990602082812.00942100 > <37553C6B.9F597BF4 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I emailed Al my copy of the version I have, and the old archive copy of Major Havoc from Demon.UK that I downloaded a couple of years ago (the whole thing was 8 megs in size and it was TARed AND GZIPed!) John :-#)# Jess Askey wrote: > > Okay, the ROM is up at... > > http://www.gamearchive.com/temp/ > > At the bottom of waves 1,5,9,13,etc, there is a hole in the bottom > of the maze. I wandered around a bit in MAME but didn't really see > anything. The cool part about the data area in RAM for the maze is > that it is quite large, on the small level (1,5,9,13) there is still > data in the RAM but it is not shown on the display, so you will see > once you fall down through the hole, it is tricky to get around. > Especially with limited oxygen! :-) If anyone finds something of > interest, let us know! > > Jess Askey wrote: > > > > Jon Raiford wrote: > > > BTW, Jess, have you considered hacking the roms to remove a wall from the side of > > > the maze so we can see that "special surprise"? I might have to dig around to > > > do it myself, but since you already are familiar with the code... > > > > > Sure, I can do that I believe. Let me take a look tonight. The special > > surprise probably wouldn't mean much if you saw it tho... it is the > > designers initials. -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From Brendan.Keith Thu Jun 3 00:08:11 1999 Received: from resolver.wilcom.com (resolver.wilcom.com [169.206.12.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id AAA15491 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:08:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wcghoue003.wilex.wilcom.com (wcghoue003.wilcom.com [169.206.239.199]) by resolver.wilcom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA28173 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:08:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: by wcghoue003.wilcom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:09:34 -0500 Message-ID: <01603F7CF8C7D111B9B80000F80463F763DAF3 > From: "Keith, Brendan" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Atari repair course book on spies Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:09:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. Now, is there an ultimate, definitive manual on how the Tempest Vector State Machine works? I've read the 3 little ones under Hardware Descriptions. The VSM on my spare boardset is not asserting VCTR. -- Brendan Keith brendan.keith > ---------- > From: aek > > http://www.spies.com/arcade/bronzeage/TheBook.pdf > > This is the course book called "The Book" which covers basic > electronics/digital logic and contains some interesting Atari > specific info, like all the monitor schematics up through 1980. > From mr.bill@thegrid.net Thu Jun 3 01:05:38 1999 Received: from smtp.thegrid.net (smtp.thegrid.net [209.162.1.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id BAA19394 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 01:05:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 15210 invoked from network); 3 Jun 1999 06:05:36 -0000 Received: from pop.thegrid.net (209.162.1.5) by smtp.thegrid.net with SMTP; 3 Jun 1999 06:05:36 -0000 Received: from thegrid.net (oak-ts2-h2-50-155.ispmodems.net [209.162.50.155]) by pop.thegrid.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA12208 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37561B16.2A96248A@thegrid.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 23:05:10 -0700 From: bill esquivel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Atari repair course book on spies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN so was the book something special or just a nice pile of all the manuals.. Al Kossow wrote: > http://www.spies.com/arcade/bronzeage/TheBook.pdf > > This is the course book called "The Book" which covers basic > electronics/digital logic and contains some interesting Atari > specific info, like all the monitor schematics up through 1980. From aek Thu Jun 3 01:09:59 1999 Received: from spies.com (root [198.180.182.10]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id BAA19480 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 01:09:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (480 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:09:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:09:09 -0700 (PDT) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Tollian Web Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "I emailed Al my copy of the version I have, and the old archive copy of Major Havoc from Demon.UK that I downloaded a couple of years ago (the whole thing was 8 megs in size and it was TARed AND GZIPed!) " Using ROMIDENT, I confirmed that John's board has rev 2 of the prom set in it, and the demon rom set he sent is rev 3. From aek Thu Jun 3 01:27:29 1999 Received: from spies.com (root [198.180.182.10]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id BAA28233 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 01:27:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (588 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:26:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:26:40 -0700 (PDT) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Atari repair course book on spies Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "so was the book something special or just a nice pile of all the manuals.. " It would be useful to someone starting out in game troubleshooting but it is really just an introduction to electronics repair with a few useful things, like all the monitor schematics. Someone told me that one of the things they used to give out in Atari tech school was a book of all the game schematics, but this wasn't that book. From rlboots@cedar-rapids.net Thu Jun 3 03:23:26 1999 Received: from CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id DAA08249 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 03:23:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cedar-rapids.net ([208.242.241.185]) by CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET with ESMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 1563400 ; Thu, 03 Jun 1999 03:23:23 -0500 Message-ID: <37563B4E.9EA7162@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 03:22:38 -0500 From: Rodger Boots Organization: Rodger Boots for President X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Atari repair course book on spies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN OOPS, check out "darlington transistor" on page 184. Someone was asleep when they drew that! Al Kossow wrote: > http://www.spies.com/arcade/bronzeage/TheBook.pdf > > This is the course book called "The Book" which covers basic > electronics/digital logic and contains some interesting Atari > specific info, like all the monitor schematics up through 1980. From dshirk Thu Jun 3 06:48:23 1999 Received: from emailserver.redrose.net (mail.godfrey.com [208.157.105.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id GAA19675 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 06:48:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from BigDen (05FH5 [208.157.105.26]) by emailserver.redrose.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id J3G9RSZY; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:45:07 -0400 Message-ID: <001801beadb7$2216e9e0$1a699dd0@BigDen.MMGROUP> From: "Dennis Shirk" To: Subject: Re: WG6100 chassis Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:49:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I would love to help you get rid of one of your spare 6100 chasis! ;-) How much do you want for one? Dennis http://gameroom.godfrey.com -----Original Message----- From: John Robertson To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 1:05 AM Subject: Re: WG6100 chassis >Um, I do have a few chassis left, must figure out what to do with them. >Can anyone help? Have some GO8's too...along with Hoei Star Castle, >Tempest cabaret (gutted), and some other stuff I must get rid of. > >John :-#)# > >Al Kossow wrote: >> >> Someone on the list must have a spare chassis. I know John Robertson >> bought all the 6100's Frazee had at one point. > >-- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > mailto:jrr > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From jenison Thu Jun 3 10:42:18 1999 Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [129.188.136.102]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id KAA11947 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:42:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: [from pobox2.mot.com (pobox2.mot.com [129.188.137.195]) by motgate2.mot.com (MOT-motgate2 1.0) with ESMTP id KAA10178 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:43:34 -0500 (CDT)] Received: [from relay2.cig.mot.com (relay2.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.24]) by pobox2.mot.com (MOT-pobox2 2.0) with ESMTP id KAA00444 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:40:01 -0500 (CDT)] Received: from crecendo.cig.mot.com (crecendo [136.182.7.130]) by relay2.cig.mot.com (8.9.0/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id KAA27478 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:38:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jenison (8.7.5 Motorola CIG/ITS v1.1 (Solaris 2.5)) id KAA21418 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:38:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:38:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <199906031538.KAA21418 > X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Poll: Dedicated Major Havoc overlays Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi all, Tom Wisnionski is considering doing Dedicated Major Havoc overlays. Probably thirty would be required in order to do the really high quality ones. Do you think there is a market for 30 of them? Would you be interested in one? ____________ ______ ___ _____ __ ____________ / __/ / / / |/ / / |/ //|/|/|_______________ Mark Jenison / __/ /_/ / / / | // | / |__ __/ _ /__ \ Sega/Gremlin jenison@ /___/___/_/_//_/_/_/|_//__|/__| / / / // / / Color Vector cig.mot.com /_/|_| /_/ /____/_/|_| Arcade Games ____________ The One and Only 4-player vector game ____________ From jrr Thu Jun 3 10:56:02 1999 Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (imail [24.2.10.66]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id KAA14165 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:55:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from flippers.com ([24.113.14.85]) by mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990603155532.XSYW18720.mail.rdc1.bc.home.com > for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:55:32 -0700 Message-ID: <3756A586.CCCFC76F > Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 08:55:50 -0700 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Atari repair course book on spies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I have similar books that were given out by Sega/Gremlin on their early games. About ten sets... John :-#)# Al Kossow wrote: > > "so was the book something special or just a nice pile of all the > manuals.. > " > > It would be useful to someone starting out in game troubleshooting > but it is really just an introduction to electronics repair with a > few useful things, like all the monitor schematics. > > Someone told me that one of the things they used to give out in > Atari tech school was a book of all the game schematics, but this > wasn't that book. -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From mowerman Thu Jun 3 11:42:43 1999 Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id LAA19576 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:42:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-80-23.s23.as5.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.80.23]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id MAA00420 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3756AF3A.EC52DE8E > Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 12:37:14 -0400 From: Kev X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Atari repair course book on spies References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN John Robertson wrote: > I have similar books that were given out by Sega/Gremlin on their early > games. About ten sets... First Thanks to Al for The Book, I'll start on my pinball book (Wllms/Gott & Bally) scanning. I've got a book from the Sega Gremlin but mine is only a work book with mostly blank pages for solving problems during class. What do you have? -- Kev Mowerman >>REMOVE THE ? to REPLY Looking for Pac-Man related hacks & Video Game Coin Op Page -> http://www.erols.com/mowerman From aek Thu Jun 3 11:59:19 1999 Received: from spies.com (root [198.180.182.10]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id LAA20726 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:59:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (426 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:58:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:58:30 -0700 (PDT) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Atari repair course book on spies Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > I have similar books that were given out by Sega/Gremlin on their early > games. About ten sets... This is probably the "Service School Manual" with a light blue cover. It is a collection of schematics for their early 80's games (G80,Zaxxon,Pengo..) From jess Thu Jun 3 12:14:41 1999 Received: from roper.uwyo.edu (pmdf@roper.uwyo.edu [129.72.10.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id MAA22748 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:14:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from asuwlink.uwyo.edu (asuwlink.uwyo.edu [129.72.60.2]) by ROPER.UWYO.EDU (PMDF V5.2-32 #33749) with ESMTP id <0FCR00422GVU9B@ROPER.UWYO.EDU> for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:07:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from magenta.com (ras8915.uwyo.edu [129.72.89.15]) by asuwlink.uwyo.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA18992 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 1999 11:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 11:07:10 -0600 From: Jess Askey Subject: Re: Poll: Dedicated Major Havoc overlays To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-id: <3756B63E.9CAE65AD > MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <199906031538.KAA21418 > Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I would be in for one of them. Callan H. was planning on doing this as well at some point, he has an NOS overlay (dedicated) if Tom doesn't already have one (which he probably does) Mark Jenison wrote: > > Hi all, > > Tom Wisnionski is considering doing Dedicated Major Havoc overlays. Probably > thirty would be required in order to do the really high quality ones. > > Do you think there is a market for 30 of them? > > Would you be interested in one? > > ____________ ______ ___ _____ __ ____________ > / __/ / / / |/ / / |/ //|/|/|_______________ > Mark Jenison / __/ /_/ / / / | // | / |__ __/ _ /__ \ Sega/Gremlin > jenison@ /___/___/_/_//_/_/_/|_//__|/__| / / / // / / Color Vector > cig.mot.com /_/|_| /_/ /____/_/|_| Arcade Games > ____________ The One and Only 4-player vector game ____________ From raiford Thu Jun 3 12:53:08 1999 Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (smtp4.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id MAA28221 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:53:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jon (user-2ivec39.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.48.105]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA31118 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990603134615.006fe378 > X-Sender: us001378 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 13:46:15 -0400 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Jon Raiford Subject: Re: Poll: Dedicated Major Havoc overlays In-Reply-To: <199906031538.KAA21418 > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I would be in for 2. Any chance someone wants to reproduce the side art as well? I may be doing it for myself, but I would rather just buy some from someone else. Jon At 10:38 AM 6/3/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Tom Wisnionski is considering doing Dedicated Major Havoc overlays. Probably >thirty would be required in order to do the really high quality ones. > >Do you think there is a market for 30 of them? > >Would you be interested in one? > >____________ ______ ___ _____ __ ____________ > / __/ / / / |/ / / |/ //|/|/|_______________ >Mark Jenison / __/ /_/ / / / | // | / |__ __/ _ /__ \ Sega/Gremlin >jenison@ /___/___/_/_//_/_/_/|_//__|/__| / / / // / / Color Vector >cig.mot.com /_/|_| /_/ /____/_/|_| Arcade Games >____________ The One and Only 4-player vector game ____________ > > From raiford Thu Jun 3 12:56:35 1999 Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (smtp4.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id MAA28794 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:56:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from jon (user-2ivec39.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.48.105]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA21566 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990603134943.00696650 > X-Sender: us001378 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 13:49:43 -0400 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Jon Raiford Subject: Re: WG6100 chassis In-Reply-To: <001801beadb7$2216e9e0$1a699dd0@BigDen.MMGROUP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hey, I asked first :) John, if you really do have a spare, I would certainly be able to give it a good home. If you have one for both Dennis and I, that would be even better. LMK. Jon At 07:49 AM 6/3/99 -0400, you wrote: >I would love to help you get rid of one of your spare 6100 chasis! ;-) > >How much do you want for one? > >Dennis >http://gameroom.godfrey.com > >-----Original Message----- From: John Robertson >To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu >Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 1:05 AM >Subject: Re: WG6100 chassis > > >>Um, I do have a few chassis left, must figure out what to do with them. >>Can anyone help? Have some GO8's too...along with Hoei Star Castle, >>Tempest cabaret (gutted), and some other stuff I must get rid of. >> >>John :-#)# >> >>Al Kossow wrote: >>> >>> Someone on the list must have a spare chassis. I know John Robertson >>> bought all the 6100's Frazee had at one point. >> >>-- >> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 >> Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) >> mailto:jrr >> "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." > > From jenison Thu Jun 3 14:37:20 1999 Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id OAA19167 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:37:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: [from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by ftpbox.mot.com (MOT-ftpbox 1.0) with ESMTP id OAA13615 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:37:09 -0500 (CDT)] Received: [from relay2.cig.mot.com (relay2.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.24]) by pobox.mot.com (MOT-pobox 2.0) with ESMTP id OAA13956 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:37:09 -0500 (CDT)] Received: from crecendo.cig.mot.com (crecendo [136.182.7.130]) by relay2.cig.mot.com (8.9.0/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id OAA06719 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:36:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jenison (8.7.5 Motorola CIG/ITS v1.1 (Solaris 2.5)) id OAA14391 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:36:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:36:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <199906031936.OAA14391 > X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Tech: G08 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi all, I have two G08 monitors which I'm having trouble debugging. They both have known good HV units and known good deflection transistors. Both of them sound like they are deflecting correctly, but no picture is showing up, and no HV is on. One seems to not be generating the 9.1V (is this AC, or DC?). Anyway, I was wondering if anyone knew which part was regulating this voltage. Is it the TIP29B, or is it regulated by the HV, or by the custom chip in the deflection board. It amazes me that we have such good documentation on repairs of the WG6100 and Cinematronics monitor, but there is no good repair guide for the G08. I tried to make one (or at least the template for one), but it needs more technical meat from the gurus. See here: http://www.enteract.com/~jenison/mars/faq/G08.FAQ If anyone wants to contribute to the document, let me know. Thanks! ____________ ______ ___ _____ __ ____________ / __/ / / / |/ / / |/ //|/|/|_______________ Mark Jenison / __/ /_/ / / / | // | / |__ __/ _ /__ \ Sega/Gremlin jenison@ /___/___/_/_//_/_/_/|_//__|/__| / / / // / / Color Vector cig.mot.com /_/|_| /_/ /____/_/|_| Arcade Games ____________ The One and Only 4-player vector game ____________ when the monitor is working From rlboots@cedar-rapids.net Thu Jun 3 15:02:22 1999 Received: from CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id PAA21628 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:02:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cedar-rapids.net ([208.242.241.185]) by CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET with ESMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 1765400 ; Thu, 03 Jun 1999 15:02:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3756DDAB.65125995@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 14:55:23 -0500 From: Rodger Boots Organization: Rodger Boots for President X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist > Subject: Re: Tech: G08 References: <199906031936.OAA14391 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN The +9.1 volts comes through Q401. The +63 goes through R404 (220 ohms, 10 watts) to the collector of Q401 (TIP29B with a heat sink added). The +63 goes through R405 (8.2 Kohm, .5 watt) to the base of Q401 and also through D408 (1N914) to ZD401 (9.1 volts, .5 watt, 5% zener diode, a 1N5239B) to ground. This should put 9.1 + .6 volts (9.7 volts) on the base of Q401. You lose the .6 volts in the emitter-base junction of Q401 which leaves 9.1 volts at the emitter. C405 (10 uF, 25 volts electrolytic) filters the +9.1 volt output. C701 (47 uF, 16 volts electrolytic) also filters this line. And so does C905 (22 uF, 16 volts electrolytic) in the high-voltage supply. Look to see if the +9.1 volt supply is shorted to ground. Zero ohms could be one of those filters. 24 ohms or so could be a shorted C911 (100 uF, 16 volts electrolytic) in the high-voltage supply. Around 70 ohms could indicate a shorted Q902 (MPSU07) in the high-voltage supply. Does the +9.1 come back with the high-voltage supply unplugged? There is also a -9.1 volt supply formed by the -63 volts going through ZD402 (9.1 volts, 1 watt, 5%, no part number given) and filtered by C406 (10 uF, 25 volts electrolytic), C601 (47 uF, 16 volts electrolytic), and C904 (22 uF, 16 volts electrolytic) in the high-voltage supply. Mark Jenison wrote: > Hi all, > > I have two G08 monitors which I'm having trouble debugging. > > They both have known good HV units and known good deflection transistors. Both > of them sound like they are deflecting correctly, but no picture is showing up, > and no HV is on. > > One seems to not be generating the 9.1V (is this AC, or DC?). Anyway, I was > wondering if anyone knew which part was regulating this voltage. Is it the > TIP29B, or is it regulated by the HV, or by the custom chip in the deflection > board. > > It amazes me that we have such good documentation on repairs of the WG6100 and > Cinematronics monitor, but there is no good repair guide for the G08. I tried > to make one (or at least the template for one), but it needs more technical > meat from the gurus. See here: > > http://www.enteract.com/~jenison/mars/faq/G08.FAQ > > If anyone wants to contribute to the document, let me know. Thanks! > > ____________ ______ ___ _____ __ ____________ > / __/ / / / |/ / / |/ //|/|/|_______________ > Mark Jenison / __/ /_/ / / / | // | / |__ __/ _ /__ \ Sega/Gremlin > jenison@ /___/___/_/_//_/_/_/|_//__|/__| / / / // / / Color Vector > cig.mot.com /_/|_| /_/ /____/_/|_| Arcade Games > ____________ The One and Only 4-player vector game ____________ > when the monitor is working From jenison Thu Jun 3 16:17:38 1999 Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id QAA02115 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:17:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: [from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (MOT-motgate 1.0) with ESMTP id QAA08612 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:17:36 -0500 (CDT)] Received: [from relay2.cig.mot.com (relay2.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.24]) by pobox.mot.com (MOT-pobox 2.0) with ESMTP id QAA10170 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:17:36 -0500 (CDT)] Received: from crecendo.cig.mot.com (crecendo [136.182.7.130]) by relay2.cig.mot.com (8.9.0/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id QAA10517 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:17:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jenison (8.7.5 Motorola CIG/ITS v1.1 (Solaris 2.5)) id QAA14820 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:17:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:17:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <199906032117.QAA14820 > In-Reply-To: Rodger Boots "Re: Tech: G08" (Jun 3, 2:55pm) References: <199906031936.OAA14391 > <199906032024.PAA18953 > X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Tech: G08 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Jun 3, 2:55pm, Rodger Boots wrote: > Subject: Re: Tech: G08 > The +9.1 volts comes through Q401. The +63 goes through > R404 (220 ohms, 10 watts) to the collector of Q401 (TIP29B > with a heat sink added). The +63 goes through R405 (8.2 Kohm, > .5 watt) to the base of Q401 and also through D408 (1N914) to > ZD401 (9.1 volts, .5 watt, 5% zener diode, a 1N5239B) to ground. > This should put 9.1 + .6 volts (9.7 volts) on the base of Q401. > You lose the .6 volts in the emitter-base junction of Q401 which > leaves 9.1 volts at the emitter. C405 (10 uF, 25 volts electrolytic) > filters the +9.1 volt output. C701 (47 uF, 16 volts electrolytic) also > filters this line. And so does C905 (22 uF, 16 volts electrolytic) in > the high-voltage supply. I assume this +9.1 v you refer to is DC. > Look to see if the +9.1 volt supply is shorted to ground. Zero ohms > could be one of those filters. 24 ohms or so could be a shorted > C911 (100 uF, 16 volts electrolytic) in the high-voltage supply. > Around 70 ohms could indicate a shorted Q902 (MPSU07) in the > high-voltage supply. The voltage (when running) at the +9.1 v testpoint seems to be more around 3 or 4 V. > Does the +9.1 come back with the high-voltage supply unplugged? I have not tried this. Is it safe to test the deflection board with the HV unit unplugged? I know you can do this with a WG6100, but was unsure about the G08s. Also, is it safe to run the deflection board without it being hooked up to the deflection transistors? > There is also a -9.1 volt supply formed by the -63 volts going through > ZD402 (9.1 volts, 1 watt, 5%, no part number given) and filtered by > C406 (10 uF, 25 volts electrolytic), C601 (47 uF, 16 volts electrolytic), > and C904 (22 uF, 16 volts electrolytic) in the high-voltage supply. 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