From owner-vectorlist Thu Jun 1 11:43:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12130 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:43:33 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA48509 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:38:20 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:31:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave George To: Rasterlist Subject: VECTOR: Corrosion... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I'm cleaning it off, and I'm wondering 2 things right now: 1) How do I know when the corrosion has been neutralized? Right now, the board still looks fairly crusty/vertigree. 2) How long does a board usually need to dry, before it's plugged in again? Mostly I'm thinking of the connectors themselves, the board seems fairly dry. As a sidenote, was I correct is assuming that for the most part, the components are water resistant (bad time to ask, huh =) ) as far as rinsing the board down? Thanks for any help/answers, later. Remy LeBeau The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Jun 1 16:42:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00056 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:42:01 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA49662 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:38:08 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 20:17:30 +0100 To: vectorlist From: James G Watt Subject: Re: VECTOR: Asteroids Deluxe board broblems. References: <4.2.2.20000526084959.01a89010 > In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000526084959.01a89010 > MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO In article <4.2.2.20000526084959.01a89010 >, Jon Raiford writes >This sounds all too familiar.. Thanks. Following that I fixed some problems in the vsm and my board now runs without tripping the watchdog... but now I'm getting a steady 6.5volts on the y-out and a steady -13.2volts on the x-out :-/ I'm told "it might be a prob with the position counters and that kinda area or the dacs :(". Any more advice? -- James G Watt http://www.kinetic-arts.demon.co.uk Part of the Video Arcade Game Collectors WebRing. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Jun 1 16:59:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from orion.smart.net (orion.smart.net [207.176.80.105]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA03089 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:59:29 -0400 Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by orion.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA28724 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:59:27 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA49697 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:52:23 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000601164220.0306e350 > X-Sender: us001378 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 16:48:54 -0400 To: vectorlist From: Jon Raiford Subject: Re: VECTOR: Asteroids Deluxe board broblems. In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.2.20000526084959.01a89010 > <4.2.2.20000526084959.01a89010 > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO The best way to fix this is by replacing the cheapest parts first (unless you can track down the fault with a scope).. Start with the TL081/2's, then the 4016's. Before you change out the DAC's be sure they are getting a signal (actually you should probably start here). Look at pins 4 - 14 for activity. Typically, the op amps seem to die on vector boards. Jon At 08:17 PM 6/1/2000 +0100, you wrote: >In article <4.2.2.20000526084959.01a89010 >, Jon >Raiford writes > >This sounds all too familiar.. > >Thanks. Following that I fixed some problems in the vsm and my board now >runs without tripping the watchdog... but now I'm getting a steady >6.5volts on the y-out and a steady -13.2volts on the x-out :-/ > >I'm told "it might be a prob with the position counters and that kinda >area or the dacs :(". Any more advice? >-- >James G Watt > >http://www.kinetic-arts.demon.co.uk >Part of the Video Arcade Game Collectors WebRing. > >You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Jun 1 17:53:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA11770 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:53:33 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA49930 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 14:36:29 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000601160416.00aca2a0 > X-Sender: msell X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 16:29:49 -0500 To: vectorlist From: Matthew Sell Subject: Re: VECTOR: Corrosion... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Remy, I always run my boards through the dishwasher to clean them up well when I'm restoring a game. I've run HV boards, processor boards, everything, through it with no problems. Before you guys start to flame me thinking that this is not good for the boards, let me just say that I worked in an electronic device manufacturing facility and have consulted many others, and that is how it is done in the industry. Those boards went through a washing process before they went into the game, and putting them through again is not going to hurt IF: 1) don't let parts sit in the washer wet for very long. Steel does rust..... 2) shake (or use a hair dryer set on NO HEAT) the water off 3) hang up or let the boards sit in the sun to dry immediately after shaking/blowing water off I usually let the boards sit in the sun for a few hours, and bring them inside and hang them up for about three days in an air-conditioned room. Before putting them back in the game, shake the board vigorously and see if any water streaks out from underneath components like ICs and transformers and such. I have never had a board fail during manufacture or at home from a bath. In fact, I even put whole computers (minus hard drive) in the dishwasher for a quick, thorough, easy clean. I let them sit for a few days and no problems. The real trick is to make sure the boards are completely dry before you plug them in and apply power. - Matt P.S. - Another real good reason to do this is that previous solder repairs show up visible after a good washing. The residue from the soldering process usually turns color and you can spot repairs to keep an eye on. When my Tempest was acting up, a board washing exposed previous repairs and sure enough, one of the repairs was a poor solder job. After resoldering many connections, the problem was gone. At 08:31 AM 6/1/00 -0700, you wrote: > I'm cleaning it off, and I'm wondering 2 things right now: > >1) How do I know when the corrosion has been neutralized? Right now, >the board still looks fairly crusty/vertigree. > >2) How long does a board usually need to dry, before it's plugged in >again? Mostly I'm thinking of the connectors themselves, the board >seems fairly dry. > > As a sidenote, was I correct is assuming that for the most part, the >components are water resistant (bad time to ask, huh =) ) as far as >rinsing the board down? > Thanks for any help/answers, later. > > Remy LeBeau > > The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Jun 1 17:57:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA12327 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:57:11 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA49970 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 14:49:05 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000601143959.00ce76f0 > X-Sender: a1a96636@pop.telus.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 14:43:38 -0700 To: vectorlist From: John Robertson Subject: Re: VECTOR: Asteroids Deluxe board broblems. In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.2.20000526084959.01a89010 > <4.2.2.20000526084959.01a89010 > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO If you have a scope, check the output of the DACs. Should show NO SIGNAL. These are CURRENT devices, the first op amp (current to voltage convertor) after should show the signal on it's output and feedback loop only. If you see a signal on the DAC replace the OP amp first. Next is the signal (have the board in SelfTest) more or less balanced across the zero-volt line of the scope? If so, then go to the output of the last op amp, is it balanced? If not, check inputs. If balanced replace output op amp. I assume you have verified the +15/-15/+8/-8 of course... John :-#)# At 12:17 PM 6/1/00, James G Watt wrote: >In article <4.2.2.20000526084959.01a89010 >, Jon >Raiford writes > >This sounds all too familiar.. > >Thanks. Following that I fixed some problems in the vsm and my board now >runs without tripping the watchdog... but now I'm getting a steady >6.5volts on the y-out and a steady -13.2volts on the x-out :-/ > >I'm told "it might be a prob with the position counters and that kinda >area or the dacs :(". Any more advice? >-- >James G Watt > >http://www.kinetic-arts.demon.co.uk >Part of the Video Arcade Game Collectors WebRing. > >You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) http://www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Jun 1 18:25:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA16969 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:25:20 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA50078 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 15:21:34 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 15:14:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave George To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Corrosion... In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000601160416.00aca2a0 > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, Matthew Sell wrote: >I always run my boards through the dishwasher to clean them up well when >I'm restoring a game. > >I've run HV boards, processor boards, everything, through it with no problems. Run w/ or w/o soap? The temperature is no issue? Just checking, but anything that is that easy would be great. =) Now I've got to explain to my wife that I need her stove (anodizing) her oven (powder-coat) AND her dishwasher now. From time to time anyways. =) Thanks for the info, now if I can convince her to let me get that air compressor...oh, don't mind me, just thinking out loud. =) Remy LeBeau The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Jun 1 19:27:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26107 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:27:31 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA50304 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:23:37 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: solarfox To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Do G08's REALLY start on fire ? Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 18:18:01 -0500 Message-ID: References: <001901bfca73$88f26520$b333a7cc > <4.3.0.20000531131925.00ab6250@pop.atl.mediaone.net> In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20000531131925.00ab6250@pop.atl.mediaone.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by synthcom.com id QAA50301 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO On Wed, 31 May 2000 13:23:04 -0400, you wrote: >I could be mistaken; a fire protection shop could inform you better...but I >think dry chemical extinguishers are corrosive. I say this because I put Not all of them are corrosive, but dry-chem types _do_ tend to leave a coating on things since they are, after all, trying to smother the fire. The best types of extinguishers for electronics fires are Halon or CO2, since they don't leave any chemical residue behind. Unfortunately, Halon extinguishers have fallen prey to the CFC hysteria and are, from what I've been told, illegal to operate now... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- When they took the fourth amendment, I said nothing because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the sixth amendment, I said nothing because I hadn't committed a crime. When they took the second amendment, I said nothing because I didn't own a gun. Now they've taken the first amendment, and I can't say anything about it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- solarfox (Gary Akins jr.) http://lonestar.texas.net/~solarfox ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Jun 1 19:41:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA27840 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:41:30 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA50380 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:40:36 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: solarfox To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Corrosion... Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 18:35:05 -0500 Message-ID: References: <4.3.1.0.20000601160416.00aca2a0 > In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by synthcom.com id QAA50377 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 15:14:57 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >>I've run HV boards, processor boards, everything, through it with no problems. > > Run w/ or w/o soap? NO SOAP! :) And take the Jet-Dry spotless-rinse thingy off the glassware rack, too, if you use one... >The temperature is no issue? Just checking, but >anything that is that easy would be great. =) Now I've got to explain >to my wife that I need her stove (anodizing) her oven (powder-coat) > AND her dishwasher now. From time to time anyways. =) It shouldn't be - commercial-spec components are rated for 0-70C (-32 - 158F), while your hot-water heater is only set to about 120F (or _should_ be!). And the previous poster is correct - this is, more or less, how it's done in commercial board houses. :) The boards go through a wave-soldering machine, then through a board-wash machine which sprays the top and bottom of the board with hot water. (Or a warm solvent if they're not using water-soluble flux, followed by a hot-water rinse.) Many board-wash machines also have a hot-air dryer stage, as well... so basically, the whole thing is just a glorified Laserwash-2000 car-wash in miniature form. :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- When they took the fourth amendment, I said nothing because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the sixth amendment, I said nothing because I hadn't committed a crime. When they took the second amendment, I said nothing because I didn't own a gun. Now they've taken the first amendment, and I can't say anything about it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- solarfox (Gary Akins jr.) http://lonestar.texas.net/~solarfox ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Jun 1 22:55:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA19303 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:55:22 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA50802 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:36:31 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:29:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave George To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Corrosion... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 solarfox wrote: >>The temperature is no issue? > > It shouldn't be - commercial-spec components are rated for 0-70C (-32 - >158F), while your hot-water heater is only set to about 120F (or _should_ >be!). Hmmm...well we set ours a little higher, so it'll last longer, but aside from that, it's gas. (Warmer, cooler, but no numbers on the dial.) Any easy way of determining the temp? Do y'all think that a thermo under the tap would be accurate enough? Remy LeBeau The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Jun 1 23:29:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA24056 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:29:09 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA50880 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 20:13:45 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: solarfox To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Corrosion... Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 22:08:13 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by synthcom.com id UAA50877 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:29:52 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >> It shouldn't be - commercial-spec components are rated for 0-70C (32 - >>158F), while your hot-water heater is only set to about 120F (or _should_ >>be!). > > Hmmm...well we set ours a little higher, so it'll last longer, but >aside from that, it's gas. (Warmer, cooler, but no numbers on the >dial.) Any easy way of determining the temp? Do y'all think that a >thermo under the tap would be accurate enough? It should be, if you have a thermometer that'll go that high. Besides, that 0-70C is _operating_ temperature; the survival/storage temperature is typically at least ten degrees C above and below that, or -10 - 80C (14 - 176F). Since water above 140F can cause scalding, I very much doubt you have it turned up high enough to fry the parts. :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- When they took the fourth amendment, I said nothing because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the sixth amendment, I said nothing because I hadn't committed a crime. When they took the second amendment, I said nothing because I didn't own a gun. Now they've taken the first amendment, and I can't say anything about it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- solarfox (Gary Akins jr.) http://lonestar.texas.net/~solarfox ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Jun 1 23:56:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA27397 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:56:01 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA50972 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 20:57:07 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <01603F7CF8C7D111B9B80000F80463F70109870E > From: "Keith, Brendan" To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: VECTOR: Corrosion... Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:50:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO You might also note that some dishwashers have a heating element in them to keep the water heated. Use the "Econo" cycle if you have one. -- Brendan Keith Brendan.keith -----Original Message----- From: solarfox [mailto:solarfox ] Subject: Re: VECTOR: Corrosion... On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:29:52 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: It should be, if you have a thermometer that'll go that high. Besides, that 0-70C is _operating_ temperature; the survival/storage temperature is typically at least ten degrees C above and below that, or -10 - 80C (14 - 176F). Since water above 140F can cause scalding, I very much doubt you have it turned up high enough to fry the parts. :) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Fri Jun 2 07:52:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA17087 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:52:14 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA52051 for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 04:54:06 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000602064346.00b35dc0 > X-Sender: msell X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 06:45:11 -0500 To: vectorlist From: Matthew Sell Subject: Re: VECTOR: Corrosion... In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.0.20000601160416.00aca2a0 > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO No soap. Just hot water. I have my hot water heater set to "melt lead" - to keep up with two people taking showers at once. If the boards survive my dishwasher, then they'll probably take yours as well. - Matt At 03:14 PM 6/1/00 -0700, you wrote: >On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, Matthew Sell wrote: > > >I always run my boards through the dishwasher to clean them up well when > >I'm restoring a game. > > > >I've run HV boards, processor boards, everything, through it with no > problems. > > Run w/ or w/o soap? The temperature is no issue? Just checking, but >anything that is that easy would be great. =) Now I've got to explain >to my wife that I need her stove (anodizing) her oven (powder-coat) > AND her dishwasher now. From time to time anyways. =) > Thanks for the info, now if I can convince her to let me get that air >compressor...oh, don't mind me, just thinking out loud. =) > > Remy LeBeau > > The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Fri Jun 2 07:53:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA17170 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:53:17 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA52043 for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 04:53:46 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000602064603.00affac0 > X-Sender: msell X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 06:46:58 -0500 To: vectorlist From: Matthew Sell Subject: RE: VECTOR: Corrosion... In-Reply-To: <01603F7CF8C7D111B9B80000F80463F70109870E .com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO WHOOPS!!!!!!! Thanks for mentioning that. I totally forgot to mention to inhibit Jet Dry and the dryer heater. Boy would that muck things up...... : ) - Matt At 10:50 PM 6/1/00 -0500, you wrote: >You might also note that some dishwashers have a heating element in them to >keep the water heated. Use the "Econo" cycle if you have one. >-- >Brendan Keith >Brendan.keith > >-----Original Message----- >From: solarfox [mailto:solarfox ] >Subject: Re: VECTOR: Corrosion... > >On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:29:52 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > > It should be, if you have a thermometer that'll go that high. >Besides, >that 0-70C is _operating_ temperature; the survival/storage temperature is >typically at least ten degrees C above and below that, or -10 - 80C (14 - >176F). Since water above 140F can cause scalding, I very much doubt you >have it turned up high enough to fry the parts. :) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Fri Jun 2 08:31:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA21633 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:31:07 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA52120 for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 05:33:57 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: Cris Rhea Message-Id: <200006021227.HAA21714@sijer.mayo.edu> Subject: Re: VECTOR: Corrosion... To: vectorlist Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:27:07 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: from "solarfox " at Jun 01, 2000 10:08:13 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO > It should be, if you have a thermometer that'll go that high. Besides, > that 0-70C is _operating_ temperature; the survival/storage temperature is > typically at least ten degrees C above and below that, or -10 - 80C (14 - > 176F). Since water above 140F can cause scalding, I very much doubt you > have it turned up high enough to fry the parts. :) Ummmm, 120F out of the tap is one thing, but dishwashers have a heating element- Wouln't surprise me if they washed at 200F for sanitation reasons. -- Cristopher J. Rhea Mayo Foundation Research Computing Facility Pavilion 2-25 crhea@Mayo.EDU Rochester, MN 55905 Fax: (507) 266-4486 (507) 284-0587 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Fri Jun 2 08:39:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA22545 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:38:59 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA52138 for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 05:41:50 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: "Brian Deuel" To: Subject: RE: VECTOR: Corrosion... Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:35:00 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200006021227.HAA21714@sijer.mayo.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO "Ummmm, 120F out of the tap is one thing, but dishwashers have a heating element- Wouln't surprise me if they washed at 200F for sanitation reasons." Health department regulations for commercial dishwashers in Michigan state that the wash temperature must be no higher than 145 degrees. I'd imagine that the regulations are similar in other states, and that home dishwashers follow a similar regulation. Not to mention that if the temperature were any higher than that, my dishwashers would quit and we'd probably get sued for burning lots of fingers! Useless restaurant trivia for the day :) Brian Deuel Coinop History Archive http://www.arcadehistory.com Part of the Vintage Gaming Network --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Fri Jun 2 10:28:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07748 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:28:47 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA52330 for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:28:15 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 08:22:44 -0600 From: Jess Askey Subject: VECTOR: Replacemend Diodes for G-05 Found To: vectorlist Message-id: <3937C334.D6CB8F85 > MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Hi All, Just got this email. Figured you all might be interested. Now, hopefully they won't all dissapear at once :-0 like with Al's Cine HV find. jess > Comments: Hello! > I have found a vendor that has 500 of these hard to find > diodes in stock! please add this to your page as it can help a > lot of persons. Its a part of Microsimi. The number is > 972-272-7811. Ask for Mike. These are replacements for D901 > and D902. Long out of production. These are exact replacements. Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Fri Jun 2 10:54:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12344 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:54:52 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA52442 for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:48:01 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <00eb01bfcca1$1738e9b0$8443f926 > From: "Omar Vega" To: Subject: Re: VECTOR: Replacemend Diodes for G-05 Found Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:44:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I'm guessing he misspelled "Microsemi" ? They have a parametric search that turns out several high voltage rectifiers. Do you have an actual distributor you are going through or was is direct from them? Omar -----Original Message----- From: Jess Askey To: vectorlist > Date: Friday, June 02, 2000 10:37 AM Subject: VECTOR: Replacemend Diodes for G-05 Found >Hi All, > Just got this email. Figured you all might be interested. Now, hopefully they won't all >dissapear at once :-0 like with Al's Cine HV find. > jess > >> Comments: Hello! >> I have found a vendor that has 500 of these hard to find >> diodes in stock! please add this to your page as it can help a >> lot of persons. Its a part of Microsimi. The number is >> 972-272-7811. Ask for Mike. These are replacements for D901 >> and D902. Long out of production. These are exact replacements. Thanks. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . 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From owner-vectorlist Fri Jun 2 11:06:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA14489 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:06:55 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA52498 for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:06:47 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <3937CC2C.346DA828 > Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:01:00 -0500 From: tom mcclintock Organization: MG Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: VECTOR: Re: Replacemend Diodes for G-05 Found References: <00eb01bfcca1$1738e9b0$8443f926 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Yeah, is there an exact part number? I just gave them a call (Microsimi is in Garland Texas) and they really did not know what I was talking about. Which is not all that surprising... ;) tom Omar Vega wrote: > > I'm guessing he misspelled "Microsemi" ? They have a parametric search that > turns out several high voltage rectifiers. Do you have an actual > distributor you are going through or was is direct from them? > > Omar > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jess Askey > To: vectorlist > > Date: Friday, June 02, 2000 10:37 AM > Subject: VECTOR: Replacemend Diodes for G-05 Found > > >Hi All, > > Just got this email. Figured you all might be interested. Now, hopefully > they won't all > >dissapear at once :-0 like with Al's Cine HV find. > > jess > > > >> Comments: Hello! > >> I have found a vendor that has 500 of these hard to find > >> diodes in stock! please add this to your page as it can help a > >> lot of persons. Its a part of Microsimi. The number is > >> 972-272-7811. Ask for Mike. These are replacements for D901 > >> and D902. Long out of production. These are exact replacements. Thanks. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Fri Jun 2 11:51:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21916 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:51:15 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA52612 for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:37:59 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000602082829.00afee80@207.20.108.98> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 08:30:39 -0700 To: vectorlist From: Anders Knudsen Subject: VECTOR: Searching For Parts?? In-Reply-To: <3937CC2C.346DA828 > References: <00eb01bfcca1$1738e9b0$8443f926 > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Just found out about this, so if you know about it, then exqueeze me. Dowload the client, and it does E parts searches...very cool. http://www.partminer.com -Anders. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Fri Jun 2 12:11:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25418 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:11:44 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA52727 for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:09:00 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:03:18 -0600 From: Jess Askey Subject: Re: VECTOR: Re: Replacemend Diodes for G-05 Found To: vectorlist Message-id: <3937DAC6.F49D0D5B > MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <00eb01bfcca1$1738e9b0$8443f926 > <3937CC2C.346DA828 > Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I don't really know anything about it in truth. Since I don't own any G-05's I figured I would just pass the info I had recieved onto the vectorlist. If anyone wants the email address of the person that emailed me this info, let me know via jess and I will be happy to give it out to anyone who wants to try and track this down. jess tom mcclintock wrote: > > Yeah, is there an exact part number? I just gave them a call (Microsimi > is in Garland Texas) and they really did not know what I was talking > about. Which is not all that surprising... ;) > > tom > > Omar Vega wrote: > > > > I'm guessing he misspelled "Microsemi" ? They have a parametric search that > > turns out several high voltage rectifiers. Do you have an actual > > distributor you are going through or was is direct from them? > > > > Omar > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jess Askey > > To: vectorlist > > > Date: Friday, June 02, 2000 10:37 AM > > Subject: VECTOR: Replacemend Diodes for G-05 Found > > > > >Hi All, > > > Just got this email. Figured you all might be interested. Now, hopefully > > they won't all > > >dissapear at once :-0 like with Al's Cine HV find. > > > jess > > > > > >> Comments: Hello! > > >> I have found a vendor that has 500 of these hard to find > > >> diodes in stock! please add this to your page as it can help a > > >> lot of persons. Its a part of Microsimi. The number is > > >> 972-272-7811. Ask for Mike. These are replacements for D901 > > >> and D902. Long out of production. These are exact replacements. Thanks. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > > >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > > >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > > ** message body to vectorlist-request . 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From owner-vectorlist Fri Jun 2 14:16:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13364 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:16:09 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA53055 for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:04:38 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:57:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave George To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Searching For Parts?? In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000602082829.00afee80@207.20.108.98> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Anders Knudsen wrote: >Just found out about this, so if you know about it, then exqueeze me. >Dowload the client, and it does E parts searches...very cool. > >http://www.partminer.com I'm just waiting for V4.0 so I can run it on a Mac. =) Remy LeBeau The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Fri Jun 2 21:40:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA07821 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 21:40:38 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA54452 for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:38:20 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <20000603013102.4129.qmail > X-Originating-IP: [24.6.217.124] From: "Clay Cowgill" To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Searching For Parts?? Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 18:31:02 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO >Just found out about this, so if you know about it, then exqueeze me. >Dowload the client, and it does E parts searches...very cool. > >http://www.partminer.com One thing to watch out for-- no matter what you try to search for it always seems that www.partminer.com has it. After contacting them though, they don't *really* have them available, they just think they can get them. (They keep a "second" list of suppliers that the database doesn't show you-- they take what you want and source it from their (private) list and resell it to you at a higher price.) Trivia: You used to be able to just type in any gibberish and Partminer would always have it "available". www.findchips.com has/had the same problem-- some distributors (Arrow comes to mind) figured out that they should always return an "available- call for quote" regardless of the query. I think the findchips guys blacklisted them for a while and they're playing nice now though. (It *was* kinda fun to type in "XYZ-*obscenity*-1234" and have them be "available" from a few vendors though. ;-) -Clay ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Sat Jun 3 23:21:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA27139 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 23:21:15 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA59620 for vectorlist-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 20:19:31 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <006f01bfcdd3$36ef28e0$9a43fea9@Default> From: "Gregg Woodcock" To: References: <00eb01bfcca1$1738e9b0$8443f926 > Subject: Re: VECTOR: Re: Replacemend Diodes for G-05 Found Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:16:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom mcclintock" To: Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 10:01 AM Subject: VECTOR: Re: Replacemend Diodes for G-05 Found > Yeah, is there an exact part number? I just gave them a call (Microsimi > is in Garland Texas) and they really did not know what I was talking > about. Which is not all that surprising... ;) I believe you are spelling them name incorrectly. There is a place in Garland called Micro-somethingorother that USED to carry a small stock of H18?? but they are LOOOOOONG gone and will NOT be getting more in. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Sun Jun 4 00:41:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA01249 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 00:41:23 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA59842 for vectorlist-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 21:39:51 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: "John Mehrtens" To: Subject: VECTOR: tReplacement Diodes for G-05 / Microsemi info Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 00:42:19 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3937DAC6.F49D0D5B > Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I hate to say I don't have a cross-reference for Atari's diodes (BY-208-600 and BY-208-1000), though I did get this info about Micro Quality Semi / Microsemi. It seems that according to their site, if Varo, Inc ever made the diodes, they're still making it because of their "no product obsolescense" policy. This is a GOOD thing!! Now if we can figure out the properties of the two HV diodes, someone at MQS can cross-reference it for us. I have a feeling that the "Mike" mentioned is the CEO of MQS. Hope this helps! It sounds good. Now to find what the diodes really are. Feeling diodey, -John The following information was 'borrowed' from: http://www.corptech.com/CompanyPages/M/10BSW1.cfm and http://www.microsemi.com/ Micro Quality Semiconductor, Inc. Formerly known as: Varo, Inc. / Semiconductor Division Micro Quality Semiconductor, Inc. 1010 North Shiloh Rd. Garland, TX 75042 Tel 972-272-7811 Fax: 972-487-0406 Operating unit of a public U.S. company. Ultimate parent is Microsemi Corp. This unit was formed in 1963. $5m - $10 annual sales CEO Mr. Mike Sileo Micro Quality Semiconductor, Inc. is a manufacturer of silicon rectifiers used in power supplies. Microsemi Corp notes the following on their page: "Microsemi does not obsolete products. Microsemi is committed to serving the Military/Defense semiconductor marketplace. In an era where companies are abandoning product lines, Microsemi Corporation continues to maintain a no product obsolescence policy. We have never discontinued a product line, nor is it our intent to do so. In fact, Microsemi is constantly positioning itself with major semiconductor suppliers to either acquire or partner with them as they elect to depart the Military/Defense marketplace." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Jun 5 16:13:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26383 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:12:55 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA66299 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:11:56 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <393C07DC.5ED15E63@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 15:04:44 -0500 From: Rodger Boots Organization: No noticable organization. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: tReplacement Diodes for G-05 / Microsemi info References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO BY208-600 & BY208-1000 both cross to NTE558, ECG558, SK3998 which is a 1500 volt fast-recovery 1 amp rectifier. The -600 stood for 600 volts and the -1000 stood for 1000 volts. John Mehrtens wrote: > I hate to say I don't have a cross-reference for Atari's diodes (BY-208-600 > and BY-208-1000), though I did get this info about Micro Quality Semi / > Microsemi. It seems that according to their site, if Varo, Inc ever made > the diodes, they're still making it because of their "no product > obsolescense" policy. This is a GOOD thing!! > > Now if we can figure out the properties of the two HV diodes, someone at MQS > can cross-reference it for us. I have a feeling that the "Mike" mentioned > is the CEO of MQS. > > Hope this helps! It sounds good. Now to find what the diodes really are. > > Feeling diodey, > > -John > > The following information was 'borrowed' from: > http://www.corptech.com/CompanyPages/M/10BSW1.cfm and > http://www.microsemi.com/ > > Micro Quality Semiconductor, Inc. > > Formerly known as: Varo, Inc. / Semiconductor Division > > Micro Quality Semiconductor, Inc. > 1010 North Shiloh Rd. > Garland, TX 75042 > Tel 972-272-7811 Fax: 972-487-0406 > > Operating unit of a public U.S. company. Ultimate parent is Microsemi Corp. > This unit was formed in 1963. > $5m - $10 annual sales > CEO Mr. Mike Sileo > Micro Quality Semiconductor, Inc. is a manufacturer of silicon rectifiers > used in power supplies. > > Microsemi Corp notes the following on their page: > > "Microsemi does not obsolete products. Microsemi is committed to serving > the Military/Defense semiconductor marketplace. In an era where companies > are abandoning product lines, Microsemi Corporation continues to maintain a > no product obsolescence policy. We have never discontinued a product line, > nor is it our intent to do so. In fact, Microsemi is constantly positioning > itself with major semiconductor suppliers to either acquire or partner with > them as they elect to depart the Military/Defense marketplace." > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . -- Windows: 32 bit graphical interface for a 16 bit patch for an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Jun 5 16:19:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from orion.smart.net (orion.smart.net [207.176.80.105]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA27656 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:19:56 -0400 Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by orion.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA23324 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:07:38 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA66251 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:02:16 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <393C0597.10A7CD25@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 14:55:03 -0500 From: Rodger Boots Organization: No noticable organization. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Corrosion... References: <4.3.1.0.20000601160416.00aca2a0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Yes, industry uses water wash, BUT... They use deionized water. Non-waterproof parts (trimmer pots, etc.) either haven't been installed on the board yet or have something on them to seal out the cleaner. We CAN clean transformers, but ours are hermetically sealed (potted) and are made for this. Matthew Sell wrote: > Remy, > > I always run my boards through the dishwasher to clean them up well when > I'm restoring a game. > > I've run HV boards, processor boards, everything, through it with no problems. > > Before you guys start to flame me thinking that this is not good for the > boards, let me just say that I worked in an electronic device manufacturing > facility and have consulted many others, and that is how it is done in the > industry. Those boards went through a washing process before they went into > the game, and putting them through again is not going to hurt IF: > > 1) don't let parts sit in the washer wet for very long. Steel does > rust..... > 2) shake (or use a hair dryer set on NO HEAT) the water off > 3) hang up or let the boards sit in the sun to dry immediately > after shaking/blowing water off > > I usually let the boards sit in the sun for a few hours, and bring them > inside and hang them up for about three days in an air-conditioned room. > > Before putting them back in the game, shake the board vigorously and see if > any water streaks out from underneath components like ICs and transformers > and such. > > I have never had a board fail during manufacture or at home from a bath. In > fact, I even put whole computers (minus hard drive) in the dishwasher for a > quick, thorough, easy clean. I let them sit for a few days and no problems. > > The real trick is to make sure the boards are completely dry before you > plug them in and apply power. > > - Matt > > P.S. - Another real good reason to do this is that previous solder repairs > show up visible after a good washing. The residue from the soldering > process usually turns color and you can spot repairs to keep an eye on. > When my Tempest was acting up, a board washing exposed previous repairs and > sure enough, one of the repairs was a poor solder job. After resoldering > many connections, the problem was gone. > > At 08:31 AM 6/1/00 -0700, you wrote: > > I'm cleaning it off, and I'm wondering 2 things right now: > > > >1) How do I know when the corrosion has been neutralized? Right now, > >the board still looks fairly crusty/vertigree. > > > >2) How long does a board usually need to dry, before it's plugged in > >again? Mostly I'm thinking of the connectors themselves, the board > >seems fairly dry. > > > > As a sidenote, was I correct is assuming that for the most part, the > >components are water resistant (bad time to ask, huh =) ) as far as > >rinsing the board down? > > Thanks for any help/answers, later. > > > > Remy LeBeau > > > > The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . -- Windows: 32 bit graphical interface for a 16 bit patch for an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Jun 5 18:31:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA14949 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:31:32 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA66858 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:29:06 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: "John Mehrtens" To: Subject: RE: VECTOR: tReplacement Diodes for G-05 / Microsemi info Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:31:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <393C07DC.5ED15E63@cedar-rapids.net> Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Does anyone know the specs of the original parts? Or are the tolerances of the ECG/NTE/SK replacements good enough to use without apprehension? I've had very bad luck with generic replacements in some equipment I've worked on, while most circuits take well to the replacements (ie ECG123). Microsemi has a great part-matching service if we know the original part specs. Also, they may have diodes with better current handling capacity. If the generic replacements are good enough, that'd be great too. -John Rodger Boots said, ] BY208-600 & BY208-1000 both cross to NTE558, ECG558, SK3998 which is a 1500 ] volt fast-recovery 1 amp rectifier. ] The -600 stood for 600 volts and the -1000 stood for 1000 volts. John Mehrtens wrote: > I hate to say I don't have a cross-reference for Atari's diodes (BY-208-600 > and BY-208-1000), though I did get this info about Micro Quality Semi / > Microsemi. It seems that according to their site, if Varo, Inc ever made > the diodes, they're still making it because of their "no product > obsolescense" policy. This is a GOOD thing!! > > Now if we can figure out the properties of the two HV diodes, someone at MQS > can cross-reference it for us. I have a feeling that the "Mike" mentioned > is the CEO of MQS. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Jun 5 22:13:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA11429 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:13:39 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA67560 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:09:41 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: "Justin Monast" To: Subject: VECTOR: Prototype Major Havoc Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:07:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I had a good weekend;) and I thought some of you may like see these.. http://home.earthlink.net/~jmonast/prototype/mh/ P.S. Thanx to Jess, Clay and the VectorList I got my Star Wars Up last week!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Jun 5 22:33:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA14190 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:33:15 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA67600 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:26:30 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <393C5FA4.84C48FE@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 21:19:16 -0500 From: Rodger Boots Organization: No noticable organization. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: tReplacement Diodes for G-05 / Microsemi info References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Well, like I said, if the originals are 600 and 1000 volts and the replacement is 1500 volts there shouldn't be any problems. What you DON'T want to do is put a slow rectifier like a 1N4007 in there. Though one guy on the group here had a 1N400x series part work as a damper (not a good idea, but a damper doesn't need to turn off as fast), using one of these for rectification on a flyback winding demands a fast turn-off device, which the ECG/NTE/SK part numbers given are. John Mehrtens wrote: > Does anyone know the specs of the original parts? Or are the tolerances of > the ECG/NTE/SK replacements good enough to use without apprehension? I've > had very bad luck with generic replacements in some equipment I've worked > on, while most circuits take well to the replacements (ie ECG123). > > Microsemi has a great part-matching service if we know the original part > specs. Also, they may have diodes with better current handling capacity. > > If the generic replacements are good enough, that'd be great too. > > -John > > Rodger Boots said, > > ] BY208-600 & BY208-1000 both cross to NTE558, ECG558, SK3998 which is a > 1500 > ] volt fast-recovery 1 amp rectifier. > ] The -600 stood for 600 volts and the -1000 stood for 1000 volts. > > John Mehrtens wrote: > > > I hate to say I don't have a cross-reference for Atari's diodes > (BY-208-600 > > and BY-208-1000), though I did get this info about Micro Quality Semi / > > Microsemi. It seems that according to their site, if Varo, Inc ever made > > the diodes, they're still making it because of their "no product > > obsolescense" policy. This is a GOOD thing!! > > > > Now if we can figure out the properties of the two HV diodes, someone at > MQS > > can cross-reference it for us. I have a feeling that the "Mike" mentioned > > is the CEO of MQS. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . -- Windows: 32 bit graphical interface for a 16 bit patch for an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Jun 5 23:25:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA20982 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:25:34 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA67761 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:24:03 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <20000606031610.87005.qmail > X-Originating-IP: [24.6.217.124] From: "Clay Cowgill" To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Prototype Major Havoc Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 20:16:10 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO > >I had a good weekend;) and I thought some of you may like see these.. > >http://home.earthlink.net/~jmonast/prototype/mh/ That's really cool! The control panel is how I was picturing making a "roller" based conversion control panel with a reproduction roller assembly. (What has happened with that project lately? I've been too busy to keep up with current events.) (The picture of the trash bag with all the smaller wrapped packages kinda reminds me of a couple scenes from "Very Bad Things" though... ;-) -Clay P.S. Glad that SW is up and running! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Jun 5 23:42:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA22771 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:42:04 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA67827 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:44:04 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 21:31:53 -0600 From: Jess Askey Subject: Re: VECTOR: Prototype Major Havoc To: vectorlist Message-id: <393C70A9.7DADA0DB > MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Nice!! Please take more pics. :-) Looks like it was originally in a Crystal Castles cabinet like mine is. Is there a handwritten date on the ROM stickers? Justin Monast wrote: > > I had a good weekend;) and I thought some of you may like see these.. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~jmonast/prototype/mh/ > > P.S. Thanx to Jess, Clay and the VectorList I got my Star Wars Up last > week!! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue Jun 6 11:18:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA30566 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:18:44 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA69577 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:13:33 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <393D1392.4951E7FD > Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 10:06:58 -0500 From: tom mcclintock Organization: MG Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: VECTOR: Re: Prototype Major Havoc References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO What circuit board is the prototype MH using? Is it unique? tom Jess Askey wrote: > > Nice!! Please take more pics. :-) Looks like it was originally in a Crystal > Castles cabinet like mine is. Is there a handwritten date on the ROM stickers? > > Justin Monast wrote: > > > > I had a good weekend;) and I thought some of you may like see these.. > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~jmonast/prototype/mh/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue Jun 6 11:31:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA32758 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:31:51 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA69604 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:23:19 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 09:17:28 -0600 From: Jess Askey Subject: Re: VECTOR: Re: Prototype Major Havoc To: vectorlist Message-id: <393D1608.58B6A2A > MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <393C70A9.7DADA0DB > Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO It looks to be like a production board but with the green solder mask instead of the clear one like the production boards. It will also be labeled "Tolian Web" like the early boards Im guessing. The one that I had with my proto was exactly the same except that it had lots of jumper wires for hardware hacks on it still. tom mcclintock wrote: > > What circuit board is the prototype MH using? Is it unique? > > tom > > Jess Askey wrote: > > > > Nice!! Please take more pics. :-) Looks like it was originally in a Crystal > > Castles cabinet like mine is. Is there a handwritten date on the ROM stickers? > > > > Justin Monast wrote: > > > > > > I had a good weekend;) and I thought some of you may like see these.. > > > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~jmonast/prototype/mh/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . 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From owner-vectorlist Tue Jun 6 15:08:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05366 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:08:47 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA70411 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:02:40 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: "Justin Monast" To: Subject: RE: VECTOR: Prototype Major Havoc Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:00:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <393C70A9.7DADA0DB > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Jess's right it does go into a Crystal Castle, much like his Alpha One.. Not vector but another prototype http://home.earthlink.net/~jmonast/prototype/mm/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-vectorlist [mailto:owner-vectorlist ]On Behalf Of Jess Askey Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 8:32 PM To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Prototype Major Havoc Nice!! Please take more pics. :-) Looks like it was originally in a Crystal Castles cabinet like mine is. Is there a handwritten date on the ROM stickers? Justin Monast wrote: > > I had a good weekend;) and I thought some of you may like see these.. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~jmonast/prototype/mh/ > > P.S. Thanx to Jess, Clay and the VectorList I got my Star Wars Up last > week!! > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . 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From owner-vectorlist Wed Jun 7 01:29:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA25543 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:29:34 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA72196 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:29:47 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <393DDAF2.12195967@ni.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 22:17:38 -0700 From: Matt Rossiter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: VECTOR: Weird problem with Asteroids Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I think someone before me had this problem before but I can't remember what the fix was. The game plays fine but the y-axis is having a little trouble. It's not a monitor problem since I'm testing on an X-Y scope and I don't think it's a DAC problem. The objects themselves are the right size - they just happen to be floating back and forth along the X-axis including the score and "Press Start". I checked the counters with a logic comparator and they checked out fine as far as I know. Has anyone come across this problem before? Do I need to double-check the counters? Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Jun 7 02:27:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA30145 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 02:27:48 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA72366 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:22:00 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: MKDUD Message-ID: <4e.68976c4.266f421a > Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 02:13:46 EDT Subject: VECTOR: Please help with Omega Race To: vectorlist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Hello, I'm trying to repair an Omega Race board for the first time. I've changed almost EVERY ram, and I'm still getting errors. In test mode, I get no picture on the screen ecept for a diagonal line that will start from the LR corner and trave the whole screen to the UL corner. The error codes start with 5 beeps/flashes (of start led's), and cycles through 12 beeps/flashes. This would indicate that EVERY ram on the board was bad, but I've replaced them all with new ones. I was thinking of checking the address lines, but I'm not sure. To verify that the self test was working properly, I removed the rom 4 at location J7. The self test then detected that rom 4 was bad, and then did it's usual routine of giving me an error on every ram on the board. I'm not sure what to check next. Please help if you can. Thanks, Michael Kelley --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Jun 7 07:43:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA20662 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 07:43:06 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA73268 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 04:44:50 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <000801bfd075$2caf4be0$10d85d18 > From: "ayeckley" To: Subject: Re: VECTOR: Please help with Omega Race Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 07:40:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO If there is any corrosion, check the integrity of the traces as well as the sockets in the affected area. Also, check the solder side of the board - for some reason Midway didn't spend the extra money to get the leads trimmed and they get bent and shorted together all the time. You probably already knew that... Alex http://www.elektronforge.com ayeckley --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Jun 7 15:33:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02620 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:33:19 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA74704 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:27:17 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <393E9F40.C6E1A1BD@dds.nl> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 21:15:12 +0200 From: Tek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Please help with Omega Race References: <4e.68976c4.266f421a > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO First I would check for activity on all datalines goung to the RAMS. they alls should be pulsing, at least the first few seconds after a reset or power up. If you find one of them is stuck low or high, then you probably have some trouble with a bus driver IC. If all lines are alive (pulsate) then mve on to the address decoder. You can check this by checking activity on the 'Chip Select' lines of the RAM chips. They should change state al teast once during the self test. If you find one of them stuck high or low, then the address decoder is at fault. Hope this helps, Mendel MKDUD wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm trying to repair an Omega Race board for the first time. I've > changed almost EVERY ram, and I'm still getting errors. In test mode, I get > no picture on the screen ecept for a diagonal line that will start from the > LR corner and trave the whole screen to the UL corner. The error codes start > with 5 beeps/flashes (of start led's), and cycles through 12 beeps/flashes. > This would indicate that EVERY ram on the board was bad, but I've replaced > them all with new ones. I was thinking of checking the address lines, but I'm > not sure. > To verify that the self test was working properly, I removed the rom 4 > at location J7. The self test then detected that rom 4 was bad, and then did > it's usual routine of giving me an error on every ram on the board. I'm not > sure what to check next. Please help if you can. > > Thanks, > Michael Kelley > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Jun 7 21:31:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA22065 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:31:49 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA75971 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:32:19 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <000101bfd0e8$065b4ca0$b03572ce@super-portable> From: "Jeff Bovee" To: "VECTORLIST" Subject: VECTOR: Weird.... Bally Space Duel????? Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:22:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Started working on one of my Space Duel projects tonight, and I found a curious thing.... a Bally factory sticker on the PCB, still said Atari too, but the board had a Bally sticker. Is this normal?? The game looks like it's never been opened before. Instruction manual bag never been opened, still had all the coin sticker/inserts, and the PCB still had those bubble-zip ties holding the connectors on. I was just curious if other Space Duels came with the Bally sticker. See ya, Jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Jun 7 21:59:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA25809 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:59:51 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA76040 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:03:38 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <393EFDE2.E0BE056B@ptd.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 21:58:58 -0400 From: Rich Marquette Organization: The Knights that say Ni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: VECTOR: Cinematronics Monitor Problem Solved References: <200005210355.XAA08169@smarty.smart.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Greetings, For those who are having the same problem, I solved the problem with my monitor jittering. I replaced the 2 68 Uf electrolytic caps and the Tantulums around the DAC 80s. Thanks to Mark Jenison for suggesting this solution Rich --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Jun 7 22:09:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA27338 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:09:12 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA76065 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:11:07 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <001101bfd0ee$27c9e580$10d85d18 > From: "ayeckley" To: Subject: Re: VECTOR: Weird.... Bally Space Duel????? Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:06:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO >Started working on one of my Space Duel projects tonight, and I found a >curious thing.... a Bally factory sticker on the PCB, still said Atari too, >but the board had a Bally sticker. Is this normal?? The game looks like >it's never been opened before. Instruction manual bag never been opened, >still had all the coin sticker/inserts, and the PCB still had those >bubble-zip ties holding the connectors on. I was just curious if other >Space Duels came with the Bally sticker. At one point, I'm pretty sure Bally (as in Alladin's Castle) was a distributor (or at least a lessor) for Atari. Example: at the beginning of the season at Cedar Point, the semi truck from Bally's Alladin's Castle would roll up, and we would unload brand new Atari games from it. The games were leased, and the same truck (from Chicago) would roll up at the end of the season and cart the games off again. When there were serious board problems, the PCBs would be sent off to Alladin's Castle for repair or replacement (this was in the late 80's). Alex http://www.elektronforge.com ayeckley --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Jun 7 22:25:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29510 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:25:52 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA76099 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:29:55 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <000401bfd0f0$142bb380$5b3572ce@super-portable> From: "Jeff Bovee" To: Subject: Re: VECTOR: Weird.... Bally Space Duel????? Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:20:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Hmmmm that is interesting but since I'm looking for work and strapped for cash. I'm willing to sell my Space Duel project. I live in Hastings Michigan if anyone in the area is interested let me know. See ya, Jeff -----Original Message----- From: ayeckley To: vectorlist > Date: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 10:11 PM Subject: Re: VECTOR: Weird.... Bally Space Duel????? >>Started working on one of my Space Duel projects tonight, and I found a >>curious thing.... a Bally factory sticker on the PCB, still said Atari too, >>but the board had a Bally sticker. Is this normal?? The game looks like >>it's never been opened before. Instruction manual bag never been opened, >>still had all the coin sticker/inserts, and the PCB still had those >>bubble-zip ties holding the connectors on. I was just curious if other >>Space Duels came with the Bally sticker. > > >At one point, I'm pretty sure Bally (as in Alladin's Castle) was a distributor >(or at least a lessor) for Atari. > >Example: at the beginning of the season at Cedar Point, the semi >truck from Bally's Alladin's Castle would roll up, and we would unload >brand new Atari games from it. The games were leased, and the same >truck (from Chicago) would roll up at the end of the season and cart the >games off again. When there were serious board problems, the PCBs >would be sent off to Alladin's Castle for repair or replacement (this was >in the late 80's). > >Alex >http://www.elektronforge.com >ayeckley > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Jun 8 00:06:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA08893 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:06:09 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA76273 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:04:01 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: "Mark Shostak" To: Subject: Re: VECTOR: Cinematronics Monitor Problem Solved Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:47:41 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200006072245265.SM00253@shostak1.directlink.net> Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO > I replaced the 2 68 Uf electrolytic caps and the Which two 68uF caps? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . 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From owner-vectorlist Thu Jun 8 03:36:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA32068 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 03:36:18 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA76822 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:36:21 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <028701bfd11b$ada299e0$9a43fea9@Default> From: "Gregg Woodcock" To: References: Subject: Re: VECTOR: tReplacement Diodes for G-05 / Microsemi info Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:25:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Mehrtens" To: Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 5:31 PM Subject: RE: VECTOR: tReplacement Diodes for G-05 / Microsemi info > Does anyone know the specs of the original parts? Or are the tolerances of > the ECG/NTE/SK replacements good enough to use without apprehension? I've > had very bad luck with generic replacements in some equipment I've worked > on, while most circuits take well to the replacements (ie ECG123). > > Microsemi has a great part-matching service if we know the original part > specs. Also, they may have diodes with better current handling capacity. SK7333 (NTE527A?) works fine and I've used it in LOTS of HV units. These should be very easily found for reasonable price. The only thing is they are in a different physical package than the originals; they are "squarish" instead of cylindrical and so the original (almost certainly ruined) connectors must be done away with and the leads soldered directly to the wires... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Jun 8 09:10:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA28565 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:10:55 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA77636 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 05:52:58 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <000401bfd147$1c1e6360$733572ce@super-portable> From: "Jeff Bovee" To: Subject: Re: VECTOR: Weird.... Bally Space Duel????? Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:43:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO It's the whole game, but I'm open to negotiations to part it out. What parts are you wanting? See ya, Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Chris Loggans To: 'Jeff Bovee ' Date: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 11:20 PM Subject: RE: VECTOR: Weird.... Bally Space Duel????? >Jeff, > > What does your 'project' consist of? Just the board or the whole game? >If the whole game, would you be willing to part it out and ship the pieces >for the right price? > >Thanks, >-Chris > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Bovee >To: vectorlist >Sent: 6/7/00 10:20 PM >Subject: Re: VECTOR: Weird.... Bally Space Duel????? > >Hmmmm that is interesting but since I'm looking for work and strapped >for >cash. I'm willing to sell my Space Duel project. I live in Hastings >Michigan if anyone in the area is interested let me know. > >See ya, >Jeff > >-----Original Message----- >From: ayeckley >To: vectorlist > >Date: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 10:11 PM >Subject: Re: VECTOR: Weird.... Bally Space Duel????? > > >>>Started working on one of my Space Duel projects tonight, and I found >a >>>curious thing.... a Bally factory sticker on the PCB, still said Atari >too, >>>but the board had a Bally sticker. Is this normal?? The game looks >like >>>it's never been opened before. Instruction manual bag never been >opened, >>>still had all the coin sticker/inserts, and the PCB still had those >>>bubble-zip ties holding the connectors on. I was just curious if >other >>>Space Duels came with the Bally sticker. >> >> >>At one point, I'm pretty sure Bally (as in Alladin's Castle) was a >distributor >>(or at least a lessor) for Atari. >> >>Example: at the beginning of the season at Cedar Point, the semi >>truck from Bally's Alladin's Castle would roll up, and we would unload >>brand new Atari games from it. The games were leased, and the same >>truck (from Chicago) would roll up at the end of the season and cart >the >>games off again. When there were serious board problems, the PCBs >>would be sent off to Alladin's Castle for repair or replacement (this >was >>in the late 80's). >> >>Alex >>http://www.elektronforge.com >>ayeckley >> >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- >>** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in >the >>** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >>** questions, comments, or problems to neil . >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >--- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in >the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Jun 8 12:12:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24658 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:08:32 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA78181 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:45:30 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: From: Chris Loggans To: "'vectorlist > Subject: VECTOR: DJ201 Analog switch info needed Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:37:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO In the past, I have used ADG201ADJ's as a replacement for the original LF13201's or DG201CJ's on Atari vector boards. While looking for more of these, I recently found a source that had DG201BDJ's and was wondering if anyone knew if these would work too. I did a search for data sheets and the only thing I came up with was the -ADJ or -CJ part numbers, no -BDJ. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, -Chris --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Jun 8 12:23:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27124 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:23:34 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA78237 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:58:58 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <0D5FADF85F25D1118F3300A02461FAC304106248@PIONEER> From: "Fish, David" To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: VECTOR: DJ201 Analog switch info needed Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:51:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Chris, According to the Siliconix data book this part is a 'highly improved version of the industry standard DG201A'. The Rds(on) is 45 ohms, less than half the 201A's 115 ohm specification. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Loggans [mailto:chris.loggans ] > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 11:38 AM > To: 'vectorlist ' > Subject: VECTOR: DJ201 Analog switch info needed > > > In the past, I have used ADG201ADJ's as a replacement for the original > LF13201's or DG201CJ's on Atari vector boards. While looking > for more of > these, I recently found a source that had DG201BDJ's and was > wondering if > anyone knew if these would work too. I did a search for data > sheets and the > only thing I came up with was the -ADJ or -CJ part numbers, > no -BDJ. Any > help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > -Chris > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with > "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please > direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Jun 8 19:55:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA31120 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:55:47 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA79881 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:43:05 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: "John Mehrtens" To: Subject: RE: VECTOR: Weird.... Bally Space Duel????? Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:45:06 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001101bfd0ee$27c9e580$10d85d18 > Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Yup yup! Mine has a sticker "Bally N.E." on it -- it came from New England Coin-Op during their heyday as a major Bally distributor. Anything distributed from them had this sticker on it, or so I'm told. It was placed 1/2 on the motherboard and 1/2 on the edge connector, presumably for some sort of anti-tampering / warranty security. John -----Original Message----- From: ayeckley At one point, I'm pretty sure Bally (as in Alladin's Castle) was a distributor (or at least a lessor) for Atari. Example: at the beginning of the season at Cedar Point, the semi truck from Bally's Alladin's Castle would roll up, and we would unload brand new Atari games from it. The games were leased, and the same truck (from Chicago) would roll up at the end of the season and cart the games off again. When there were serious board problems, the PCBs would be sent off to Alladin's Castle for repair or replacement (this was in the late 80's). --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Fri Jun 9 12:34:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09517 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:34:12 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA82377 for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:31:10 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: MKDUD Message-ID: <13.6608b30.267273c6 > Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:22:30 EDT Subject: Re: VECTOR: Weird.... Bally Space Duel????? To: vectorlist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Hello Alex, I saw your post about Cedar Point dealing with Alladin's Castle. Did you work at Cedar Point any time between 1981--1985? I used to help out a friend (Eddie Kubiak) who was a tech there. It was kind of neat to fix a couple things and get to ride and eat for free in the park... A nice way to visit the park. TTYL, Michael Kelley --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Fri Jun 9 12:35:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09826 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:35:36 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA82397 for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:34:00 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: MKDUD Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:25:16 EDT Subject: Re: VECTOR: Please help with Omega Race - FIXED!! To: vectorlist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Hello, I would like to Thank everybody for all the help. The board now works fine. Turned out to be a bad socket on the 8216 at location T7... I should have pulled the cover off of the socket before, even though it looked fine! After rebuilding MANY Stern MPU-200's that had corrosion, I should have applied what I had learned and pulled the top off every socket. Randy would not be pleased with me... Does anybody know where you can buy angle encoders for the rotary control? Thanks Again, Michael Kelley --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Fri Jun 9 15:01:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01595 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:01:54 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA82758 for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:57:10 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <39413C2A.AAFEB2BC@concentric.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 14:49:14 -0400 From: Mark E Davidson Organization: The Basement Arcadet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "vectorlist > Subject: VECTOR: Long Overdue MH Roller repro update and personal info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO It has been some time since my last update and my email box has been filling up with requests for an update on the repro MH roller project. None of these Emails have been answered (so that no one feels left out) and I’m doing an group, information update now and here is why….. I was hoping to be further along them I am but work as slowed down my progress. Just as Clay has been quiet for reasons of the new Rio’s on the way, I have deadlines on the new Playstation 2 which I’m heavily involved in. This project has taken me to Germany, Italy and all over the USA, leaving me with little "home time" to work on the mill. Additionally, I have a personal problem that I wouldn’t mind the prayers of the vector list members. My 3 year old was born with a hole in his heart. We went into NY early this week for a second option of the severity and corrective actions that might needed. Bottom line is that he will be needing open heart surgery with in the next 60 days to correct a faulty valve and close the hole. Needless to say that this ongoing issue has not left my head where it needs to be in regards to this whole project. Your prayers, for maybe the youngest member of the vector list, would be welcome. By now everyone who wanted replacement steel rollers should have received them and thanks for all the complements I have received via Email. Also for everyone who has asked to up their order for the entire Repro unit, I’m working on that in as well. The increased order demand slowed everyone’s order up as I stopped ½ way through to go back and make more of parts, I thought I was done making, and to make more of the pieces in process. A few have asked for pictures of the work to date. I was keeping a good collection of pictures as I progressed only to lose the memory card from my camera on the way back from Europe. I took a few new one of all the frames and all the top plates. http://www.basementarcade.com/arcade/sd/mh/allinarowframes.jpg http://www.basementarcade.com/arcade/sd/mh/allinarowtops.jpg What’s left to do is 2 things. Finish the opening for the roller on the top plates an cut the green rollers. I need one thing that the group can help me with. I lost one dimension, which was the width of the green roller. Can some one confirm that the actual width is 2.062 I had it written down but cant find my master list of notes. -=Mark=- mailto:mark --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Fri Jun 9 15:27:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05911 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:27:53 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA82845 for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:24:39 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000609151217.00abbbf0@pop.atl.mediaone.net> X-Sender: someotherguy@pop.atl.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 15:12:54 -0400 To: vectorlist From: someotherguy Subject: Re: VECTOR: Long Overdue MH Roller repro update and personal info In-Reply-To: <39413C2A.AAFEB2BC@concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I don't have any kids yet, Mark, so I can only imagine how tough the situation has to be on you and your family. My hopes for all the best are with you and yours. Richard http://people.atl.mediaone.net/someotherguy At 02:49 PM 6/9/00 -0400, you wrote: >Additionally, I have a personal problem that I wouldn't mind the prayers >of the vector list members. My 3 year old was born with a hole in his >heart. We went into NY early this week for a second option of the >severity and corrective actions that might needed. Bottom line is that >he will be needing open heart surgery with in the next 60 days to >correct a faulty valve and close the hole. Needless to say that this >ongoing issue has not left my head where it needs to be in regards to >this whole project. Your prayers, for maybe the youngest member of the >vector list, would be welcome. >-=Mark=- > mailto:mark --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Sat Jun 10 13:12:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA29444 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:12:08 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA88683 for vectorlist-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:09:56 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: andaluccia@mail.pmail.net Message-ID: <006301bfd2fc$f5e6d300$3cf8e03f > To: Subject: VECTOR: FS: Red Baron upright (prototype?) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:57:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I'm offering the unusual Red Baron upright that I mentioned on the list a couple of weeks ago. It nobody's interested I'll try to sell it on Ebay. The game isn't working at the moment, but I don't have the time to tech it and fix it. Doesn't have anything obviously wrong with it (smoke trails etc :) It was working a couple of years ago, but it's been in storage since then. I replaced the joystick mechanism (gimbles?) way back when so that's working fine. Cabinet is in pretty good conditon, some scratching on the sides (see pictures link) I'm asking $400 +shipping. The game would ship from Portland Oregon. Why am I selling? Because I got a sit-down Red Baron! http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=896256&a=6523844&p=21814568 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=896256&a=6523844&p=21814569 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=896256&a=6523844&p=21814572 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=896256&a=6523844&p=21814617 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=896256&a=6523844&p=21814619 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Sun Jun 11 16:58:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24998 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:58:06 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA92454 for vectorlist-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:52:52 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <3943FADC.B0E951E3@ptd.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:47:24 -0400 From: Rich Marquette Organization: The Knights that say Ni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: VECTOR: FS:Star Castle in PA References: <006301bfd2fc$f5e6d300$3cf8e03f > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Greetings, I thought I'd offer it here first. The Star Castle works 100% Its been converted from a Star Hawk. It wasn't the cleanest conversion Most of the original Star Hawk Artwork is intact. All the internal parts are the original Star Hawk parts that were converted to the Star Castle. The game is located just outside of Harrisburg PA. I can't ship. You must pick up. At this point I don't have any pictures. The reason I'm selling it is that I just picked up a dedicated Star Castle and I really don't need 2 of them. $350 Let me know if interested. Thanks Rich rmarket@ptd.net --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Jun 12 14:06:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27158 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:06:36 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02503 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:52:50 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:53:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: "vectorlist > Subject: Re: VECTOR: Long Overdue MH Roller repro update and personal info In-Reply-To: <39413C2A.AAFEB2BC@concentric.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Mark E Davidson wrote: > severity and corrective actions that might needed. Bottom line is that > he will be needing open heart surgery with in the next 60 days to > correct a faulty valve and close the hole. Needless to say that this > ongoing issue has not left my head where it needs to be in regards to > this whole project. Your prayers, for maybe the youngest member of the > vector list, would be welcome. Please tell your son that both my wife and I are pulling for him. > By now everyone who wanted replacement steel rollers should have > received them and thanks for all the complements I have received via Yup. I knew the controller was slipping before, but didn't realize how bad until, after installing the new ones, I was immediately able to get 2 levels higher than I ever had before. Thank you ever so much ! -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Jun 12 16:49:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA23841 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:49:09 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03092 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:43:07 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: Josh McCormick Message-Id: <200006122043.PAA06441 > Subject: VECTOR: The KrazyKatt MH Saga continues! To: vectorlist Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:43:31 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Just wanted to give an update on the saga of my Major Havoc PCB and Tempest conversion board that was purchased from KrazyKatt on eBay. The initial problem with the PCB set was a bad vector ROM. The only lasting problem was that all the controls worked EXCEPT for the encoder wheel. Tried two different working Tempest cabinets. Same thing. Hours and hours of fiddling with it. Nada. Well, I've let the board sit for about six months. Yesterday, I plugged it in the same cabinet. Whaddya know. The game works perfectly! Go figure? PS: This is probably a MH FAQ. My neck hurts from turning my head sideways. Aside from remounting the monitor, is there a good faq for swapping the X axis with the Y axis on this game? It also seems that the vector x-axis size control doesn't shrink the image down far enough...? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Jun 12 17:11:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27612 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:11:09 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03145 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:03:26 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <013401bfd4b2$07d303c0$3d00a8c0@TEMPEST> From: "Tempest" To: References: <200006122043.PAA06441 > Subject: Re: VECTOR: The KrazyKatt MH Saga continues! Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:06:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I took a jigsaw and cut some slots in the wood frame for the monitor so that I can easily remove the front glass, pull the monitor out and flip it around. I painted the wood black, so that I don't need the paper bezel anymore. I know this is a very lowtech solution, though. :) Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh McCormick" To: Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 3:43 PM Subject: VECTOR: The KrazyKatt MH