From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Sun Mar 1 07:09:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:09:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34F9782D.C756C803@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 08:01:02 -0700 From: John Butler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: Board tester board... References: <34F7D8E4.100B5FB3@istar.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: John Butler > Clay Cowgill wrote: > > > > So a while back I brought up the idea to make a "universal" test board > > for working on game PCB's. > > > Instead of building an onboard amp the other solution would be to leave an 1/8" stereo jack on the board. Then we could use a cheap set of computer speakers. This may not be the most integrated solution in the world, but it keeps the component count down and help to prevent feature creep. I use a set of Altec Lansing computer speakers in a similar arrangement for my Gauntlet II that I don't have the audio board for. Let's just say the subwoofer really rocks. John Butler Mesa, AZ Collector of Classic Arcade Games and Pinball Machines From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Sun Mar 1 07:42:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:42:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 08:40:24 -0700 (MST) From: Anders Knudsen X-Sender: andersk@losparc To: vectorlist Subject: LV2000s shipped!!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Anders Knudsen Well all LV2000 orders have shipped, so you all should be getting them this week! Get this though! After Jeff and I shipped them all off yesterday, I was looking at the Installation docs (big mistake) and found a "small error". So, on Page 5 of the installation docs there is instruction of which holes to solder the "wires" into. It should say that the black wire goes into the top hole where R101 came out of (the left hole marked with a square), and the red wire goes into the top hole where R100 came out of (the right hole marked with a square). I was somehow dyslexic and ended up swapping the words "left" and "right". :-( So basically the paragraph is correct if you just swap the words "left" and "right". This will make more sense when you get the printed docs. Jeff will update the online docs, which are in color BTW. (www.diac.com/~jeffh/lv2000) -Anders. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Sun Mar 1 14:33:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:33:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D1CDC6A > From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'vectorlist > Cc: Clay Cowgill Subject: RE: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:32:15 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" Hey there Clay, > There was also a Tempest control panel (w/out overlay) that was setup > for a trackball. Haven't a clue what that was for. Maybe a Quantum > conversion kit for Tempest? > Any chance you still have this? And might be willing to let go of it? I am trying to build a Quantum in a Tempest cab and it would make it MUCHO easier :) Oh and I just got my order sent off for the Multi game sets. The wife had slapped me pretty hard when I showed up with a stack of things I had ordered from people and I had to wait for the cash flow situation to improve before I could start sending out checks. David From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Sun Mar 1 14:44:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:43:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D1CDC6B > From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'vectorlist > Cc: Clay Cowgill Subject: RE: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:42:07 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" Wow am I stupid or what :) This was supposed to just be to Clay, but if there was anyone else on this list that I owed $ to "The check is in the mail" and that includes my LV2000 order. David Going off to lick my wounds now. > ---------- > From: David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech) > Reply To: vectorlist > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 1998 2:32 PM > To: 'vectorlist ' > Cc: Clay Cowgill; David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech) > Subject: RE: On Topic:: ) Help w/encoder > > Hey there Clay, > > > > There was also a Tempest control panel (w/out overlay) that was setup > > for a trackball. Haven't a clue what that was for. Maybe a Quantum > > conversion kit for Tempest? > > > Any chance you still have this? And might be willing to let go of it? I > am > trying to build a Quantum in a Tempest cab and it would make it MUCHO > easier > :) > > Oh and I just got my order sent off for the Multi game sets. The wife had > slapped me pretty hard when I showed up with a stack of things I had > ordered > from people and I had to wait for the cash flow situation to improve > before > I could start sending out checks. > > David > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 2 11:34:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:33:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist > Subject: Sega vector viewer... Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:32:32 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Clay Cowgill Hi everyone. I decided to finally try playing around with Visual Basic (*ack*) on the PC over the weekend. I ended up porting my "vsnoop" program (lets you look at Sega vector game ROM images and find the graphics). It actually turned out pretty cool-- it now draws in full color, and searching and scaling occurs in realtime from a couple scroll bars. There's a little built-in file browser too. If any of you want it, let me know and I'll put it on my webpage or something. (I used the "Winseek" demo from Visual Basic as a boiler-plate, so it's still named "Winseek" for some !@#$!@ reason I can't figure out. And how you make VB print anything in Hex is still beyond me... ;-) -Clay Clayton N. Cowgill Engineering Manager ------------------------------------------------- /\ Diamond Multimedia System, Inc. \/ Communications Division From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 2 12:03:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:02:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34FB1143.121B > Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:06:27 -0500 From: James Marous Organization: James Marous, Biomedical Engineer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Hello All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: James Marous Well, I finally got around to joining the vector mailing list, obviously....Just thought I would announce myself. I currenty have only a couple vector projects underway. I have a spare WG 61xx that I am in the process of doing the "final solution" on. I have another that I have already converted and it works great. It's hard to beleive you can run the thing without the low voltage supply, but it actually works great, I am living proof. I also have 3 Battlezone minis I am in the process of fixing up. I actually have 2 of them working and all I need to finish are a couple joysticks. I have to say that I actually like the mini BZ much more than the upright. I picked the 3 up for $100, all were complete with the exception of the joysticks. I'm heading off to Washtington D.C. this week for business, and am going to try to hit Videotopia. Can't wait to see the collection. James -- My Homepage! Http://www.erinet.com/jamesm/ mailto:jamesm From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 2 12:14:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:14:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Wade Tsai Message-Id: <199803022009.OAA21457 > Subject: Re: Sega vector viewer... To: vectorlist Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 14:09:52 CST In-Reply-To: ; from "Clay Cowgill" at Mar 2, 98 11:32 am X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 212.2] Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Wade Tsai > > If any of you want it, let me know and I'll put it on my webpage or > something. (I used the "Winseek" demo from Visual Basic as a > boiler-plate, so it's still named "Winseek" for some !@#$!@ reason I > can't figure out. If you're using VB 5.0, on the "Project" dialog, select the project name. Next on the "Properties" dialog, click on the "Name" field to alter the project name. Or you can just fire up vi and edit the file .vbp instead :-) > And how you make VB print anything in Hex is still > beyond me... ;-) debug.Print Hex() or if you want to get fancy: Msgbox Hex() :-) -- Wade. +---------------------------------------------+ | ep60wtu | | Shell Oil Company, 3-D CAD, New Orleans, LA | +---------------------------------------------+ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 2 12:43:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:42:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980302204652.027ff67c > X-Sender: cmoore X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:46:52 -0500 To: vectorlist From: "Christopher V. Moore" Subject: Re: Gravitar/Black Widow Schematics Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: "Christopher V. Moore" Hi Jess, Thanks for the HV Probe info. I ordered one and it works great! -Chris >MCM Electronics - Tenma High Voltage Probe >The Tenma probe adapt most 10MOhm multimeters into a high voltage meter. >Specs - Max Working Voltage .. 40KVDC/peak AC >Division Ratio - 1000:1 >90 day warranty > >MCM part # 72-3040 Price: $39.95 >1-800-543-4330 >-- >Jess M. Askey *** Coming Soon - The Game Archive *** >Game Spot/Audio Analyst * Pinball, Video, Parts, Collecting * >509 S. 2nd Street Unit B * http://www.gamearchive.com * >Laramie WY 82070 ************************************** > > -- Christopher V. Moore -- Principal Engineer Heartlab, Inc. - 101 Airport Rd - Westerly, RI 02891 Phone: (401) 596-0592 - Fax: (401) 596-8562 - Email: cmoore From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 2 12:43:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:43:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980302204751.0280b718 > X-Sender: cmoore X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:47:51 -0500 To: vectorlist From: "Christopher V. Moore" Subject: Re: Gravitar/Black Widow Schematics Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: "Christopher V. Moore" Oops! I didn't mean to reply to the list. Sorry. -Chris -- Christopher V. Moore -- Principal Engineer Heartlab, Inc. - 101 Airport Rd - Westerly, RI 02891 Phone: (401) 596-0592 - Fax: (401) 596-8562 - Email: cmoore From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 2 13:05:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:05:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist Subject: Re: Hello All Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 21:05:44 GMT Message-ID: <34fc1de7.261986175 > References: <34FB1143.121B > In-Reply-To: <34FB1143.121B > X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: zonn (Zonn) On Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:06:27 -0500, James Marous = wrote: >Well, I finally got around to joining the vector mailing list, >obviously....Just thought I would announce myself. =20 > >I currenty have only a couple vector projects underway. I have a spare >WG 61xx that I am in the process of doing the "final solution" on. I >have another that I have already converted and it works great. It's >hard to beleive you can run the thing without the low voltage supply, >but it actually works great, I am living proof. Careful doing this, your High voltage supply will now be overvoltaged and= will dissipate considerably more heat (which is why they say replacing a = couple of the pre-driver transistors with power devices is a must). But there is = one thing everyone seems to overlook. There is a resistor on the yoke PCB = that needs to be recalculated for the higher voltage, if I recall it drives a = zener diode. With the higher voltage the zener diode will also dissipate more = heat. The vectors are also not a stable without low voltage regulation, all in = all I'd recommend the LV2000 (if they're still available). > >I also have 3 Battlezone minis I am in the process of fixing up. I >actually have 2 of them working and all I need to finish are a couple >joysticks. I have to say that I actually like the mini BZ much more >than the upright. I picked the 3 up for $100, all were complete with >the exception of the joysticks. Great deal, especially for the mini! > >I'm heading off to Washtington D.C. this week for business, and am going >to try to hit Videotopia. Can't wait to see the collection. =20 > > James <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn -------| // \\/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 2 13:25:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:25:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: Board tester board... Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:23:45 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Clay Cowgill > I use a set of Altec Lansing computer speakers in a similar > arrangement for my > Gauntlet II that I don't have the audio board for. Let's just say the > subwoofer really rocks. > Do you get all sorts of god-awful processor noise on the audio outputs of your Gauntlet board? I sure do. I put "good" speakers in the cabinet and all the sudden I can hear tons (I weighed it) of high-frequency cross-talk. Annoying as hell. I installed an EQ to notch out the more offensive frequencies. Uhh, oh. Off charter again... Uhhhhh, oh, and I'm going to put the same kind of amp in my "worlds most beat to death Asteroids machine" to try to get rid of a weird 60hz hum. (It's odd-- hums like mad *if* the control panel harness is plugged in. Even "beats" in sequence with the blinking LEDs on the control panel...) -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 2 13:31:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:31:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:30:39 -0600 (CST) From: X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: Board tester board... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Clay Cowgill wrote: > Uhh, oh. Off charter again... Uhhhhh, oh, and I'm going to put the > same kind of amp in my "worlds most beat to death Asteroids machine" to > try to get rid of a weird 60hz hum. (It's odd-- hums like mad *if* the > control panel harness is plugged in. Even "beats" in sequence with the > blinking LEDs on the control panel...) > Try filtering the 10.3V supply some more, first....this sounds like (no pun intended) noise on the 10.3V supply, which is unregulated, and goes to both tthe CP and the audio amp. Joe From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 2 14:10:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:10:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) X-Sender: jeffh Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:12:55 -0700 To: vectorlist From: jeffh (Jeff Hendrix) Subject: Re: Hello All Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: jeffh (Jeff Hendrix) We still have LV2000's available -jeff >On Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:06:27 -0500, James Marous wrote: > >>Well, I finally got around to joining the vector mailing list, >>obviously....Just thought I would announce myself. >> >>I currenty have only a couple vector projects underway. I have a spare >>WG 61xx that I am in the process of doing the "final solution" on. I >>have another that I have already converted and it works great. It's >>hard to beleive you can run the thing without the low voltage supply, >>but it actually works great, I am living proof. > >Careful doing this, your High voltage supply will now be overvoltaged and will >dissipate considerably more heat (which is why they say replacing a couple of >the pre-driver transistors with power devices is a must). But there is one >thing everyone seems to overlook. There is a resistor on the yoke PCB that >needs to be recalculated for the higher voltage, if I recall it drives a zener >diode. With the higher voltage the zener diode will also dissipate more heat. > >The vectors are also not a stable without low voltage regulation, all in >all I'd >recommend the LV2000 (if they're still available). > >> >>I also have 3 Battlezone minis I am in the process of fixing up. I >>actually have 2 of them working and all I need to finish are a couple >>joysticks. I have to say that I actually like the mini BZ much more >>than the upright. I picked the 3 up for $100, all were complete with >>the exception of the joysticks. > >Great deal, especially for the mini! >> >>I'm heading off to Washtington D.C. this week for business, and am going >>to try to hit Videotopia. Can't wait to see the collection. >> >> James > > ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: > |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically > / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures > / / //\\ // (__) > / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn > -------| // \\/ jeffh Buy/Sell/Trade Classic Video Arcade Games www.diac.com/~jeffh/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 2 14:18:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:18:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist > Subject: sega vector viewer... Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:17:14 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Clay Cowgill For those of you that asked for it... http://www.e-volve.net/~clay/vsnoop_w.html Have fun with it. There are a couple sample binary files in the zip archive with the setupu program. Filesize is limited to 32768 bytes right now 'cause that's the range of a stock Visual Basic scoll bar. (I use the scroll bar to set the viewer-address on a 1:1 basis. Larger files will load safely, but only the first 32K is visible. Maybe I'll add a "bank" button...) -Clay Clayton N. Cowgill Engineering Manager ------------------------------------------------- /\ Diamond Multimedia System, Inc. \/ Communications Division From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 2 14:21:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:21:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist > Subject: Hum in asteroids... Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:20:43 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Clay Cowgill > Try filtering the 10.3V supply some more, first....this sounds > like (no pun intended) noise on the 10.3V supply, which is > unregulated, > and goes to both tthe CP and the audio amp. > Does 10.3Vdc (unreg) get tapped off the big filter cap on the power-supply? If so, I did replace that. Didn't help in any noticeable fashion. I haven't bothered to really look for the problem, but it sounds just like a ground loop. Disconnecting the control seems to have broken the loop (and fixed the hum). Maybe I'll look at it more this week. -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 2 18:09:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:09:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:08:58 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist Subject: cineex rev2 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: aek (Al Kossow) the second rev of the boards came back, and seem to be working I'll build up the cables and try it on a Cine CPU board, and Joe tomorrow From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 2 18:25:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:25:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D1CDC72 > From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: vectorlist, "'vectorlist > Cc: aek Subject: RE: cineex rev2 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:24:39 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" > the second rev of the boards came back, and seem to be working > I'll build up the cables and try it on a Cine CPU board, and > Joe tomorrow > Wow, I hope you use padded test clips. :) Sorry, David From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 3 06:54:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 06:54:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <34FC19A1.2141 > Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 09:54:25 -0500 From: Joel Rosenzweig Organization: Hewlett-Packard Medical Products Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: Board tester board... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Joel Rosenzweig jwelser wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Clay Cowgill wrote: > > > Uhh, oh. Off charter again... Uhhhhh, oh, and I'm going to put the > > same kind of amp in my "worlds most beat to death Asteroids machine" to > > try to get rid of a weird 60hz hum. (It's odd-- hums like mad *if* the > > control panel harness is plugged in. Even "beats" in sequence with the > > blinking LEDs on the control panel...) > > > > Try filtering the 10.3V supply some more, first....this sounds > like (no pun intended) noise on the 10.3V supply, which is unregulated, > and goes to both tthe CP and the audio amp. > > Joe I've noticed that different Asteroids boardsets in the same cabinet produce these same beats in sequence with the blinking LEDs on the control panel. I.E, depending on the boardset I've tested, it has either exhibited this phenomenon or not. Strange, no? (Strange yes!) Joel- From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 3 07:32:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 07:32:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:30:43 -0500 (EST) From: Mitchell Rohde To: vectorlist cc: Joel Rosenzweig Subject: Re: Board tester board... In-Reply-To: <34FC19A1.2141 > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Mitchell Rohde > > Try filtering the 10.3V supply some more, first....this sounds > > like (no pun intended) noise on the 10.3V supply, which is unregulated, > > and goes to both tthe CP and the audio amp. > > > > Joe > > I've noticed that different Asteroids boardsets in the same cabinet > produce these same beats in sequence with the blinking LEDs on the > control panel. I.E, depending on the boardset I've tested, it has > either exhibited this phenomenon or not. Strange, no? (Strange yes!) > > Joel- > Er... not really that strange. The pulsing is undoubtedly the same because they are driven from the same power supply with not enough filtering... if you can see the lights all dim and get bright in phase with each other, I'd say the problem is pretty bad... :) put some caps on that circuit! Mitch From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 3 08:26:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:26:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <34FC2F18.746E > Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 11:26:00 -0500 From: Joel Rosenzweig Organization: Hewlett-Packard Medical Products Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: Board tester board... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Joel Rosenzweig Mitchell Rohde wrote: > > > > Try filtering the 10.3V supply some more, first....this sounds > > > like (no pun intended) noise on the 10.3V supply, which is unregulated, > > > and goes to both tthe CP and the audio amp. > > > > > > Joe > > > > I've noticed that different Asteroids boardsets in the same cabinet > > produce these same beats in sequence with the blinking LEDs on the > > control panel. I.E, depending on the boardset I've tested, it has > > either exhibited this phenomenon or not. Strange, no? (Strange yes!) > > > > Joel- > > > Er... not really that strange. The pulsing is undoubtedly the same > because they are driven from the same power supply with not enough > filtering... if you can see the lights all dim and get bright in phase > with each other, I'd say the problem is pretty bad... :) put some caps on > that circuit! > > Mitch I think you misread what I wrote. I said that depending on the boardset that I've tested, I either have or have not had this beating phenomenon. That indicates that whereas the power supply may share a large burden of responsibility for the problem, it's not the only culprit since the PCB was the only variable in the test. My experience then, is that the beating is very much a potential PCB issue as it is a power supply issue. I'm not yet convinced it's a power supply problem. I've used my scope to check all the outputs on the power supply, and they are very clean DC. Fortunately for me, the set I have in there right now, does not have this problem, so I'm not all that driven to fix anything at the moment. Joel- From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 3 08:41:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:41:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist > Subject: LV2000 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:40:32 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Clay Cowgill Hi all (and Anders and Jeff in particular)-- Got my LV2000 boards yesterday. I'm quite impressed with the board and docs! Good work guys! One question though... The docs didn't come with a parts list and I can't quite make out a couple things on the PCB. Should the bill of materials be: Desc Qty 6 1N4002 2 4.3K resistors (1/8th watt or 1/4th?) 2 47K resistors 2 240 resistors 2 .47uF cap (these looked like dipped tants in the pictures?) 4 1uF cap (also looked like dipped tants?) 1 LM 337T 1 LM 317T 2 small LEDs The only problem area is the caps. The silk screen on my boards is pretty unreadable around those-- I can't make out the polarization marking on the PCB. Any chance you can post a GIF of the silk-screen? Thanks! -Clay Clayton N. Cowgill Engineering Manager ------------------------------------------------- /\ Diamond Multimedia System, Inc. \/ Communications Division From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 3 09:50:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:50:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980303101724.00a19970 > X-Sender: andersk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 10:17:24 -0700 To: vectorlist From: Anders Knudsen Subject: Re: LV2000 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Anders Knudsen At 08:40 AM 3/3/98 -0800, Clay wrote: >Hi all (and Anders and Jeff in particular)-- > >Got my LV2000 boards yesterday. I'm quite impressed with the board and >docs! Good work guys! > >One question though... The docs didn't come with a parts list and I >can't quite make out a couple things on the PCB. Should the bill of >materials be: > >Desc Qty >6 1N4002 >2 4.3K resistors (1/8th watt or 1/4th?) >2 47K resistors >2 240 resistors >2 .47uF cap (these looked like dipped tants in the >pictures?) >4 1uF cap (also looked like dipped tants?) >1 LM 337T >1 LM 317T >2 small LEDs > >The only problem area is the caps. The silk screen on my boards is >pretty unreadable around those-- I can't make out the polarization >marking on the PCB. Any chance you can post a GIF of the silk-screen? Yea, it sucks that the silk screen got hosed around those areas. I guess I didn't pay attention to the pad clearances. Alright, Clay, why don't you "read" the Assembly docs? ;-) There *is* a parts list in the assembly docs on page 3. The caps are dipped tants. Oh, I'll get jeff to put a parts list that has Mouser numbers up on the web page so people that need/want to order more parts can get them easily. Otherwise you can still get parts from Jeff. On page 3 of the assembly docs, next to the parts list is a picture of the silk screen. Now I know what you're saying, "I can't read that either." If you go to http://www.diac.com/~jeffh/lv2000/lv2000as.pdf and then scroll to page 3, and then zoom in to the silk screen picture, you should see it pretty clearly. Other wise, the caps that are around the LM337 all have the positive leads facing towards the regulator, when placed the cap labels should face out. The caps that are around the LM317 all have the positive leads facing away from the regulator, when placed the cap labels should face out. If you read page 4 of the assembly docs, the description there should match what I just said. Here is a crude ASCII graphic (view with courier font). - is the cap negative lead, + is the cap positive lead. Hold the PCB so you can read the word LV2000, the negative regulator on the left, the positive regulator on the right. (.47u) - + (.47u) + - (1u) - o o o - (10u) (1u) + o o o + (10u) + | | | + - | | | - ----- ----- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |_____| |_____| LM337 LM317 -Anders. ----------------------------------------- | Anders Knudsen | ASIC Design Engineer | Adaptec, Inc., Boulder Technology Center | anders_knudsen | http://www.adaptec.com ========================================= From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 3 10:18:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:18:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: LV2000 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:17:34 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Clay Cowgill > Alright, Clay, why don't you "read" the Assembly docs? ;-) > There *is* a parts list in the assembly docs on page 3. > Uhhhhhh... No. The only thing I got tells me how to install a complete kit onto a deflection board... > If you go to http://www.diac.com/~jeffh/lv2000/lv2000as.pdf and then > scroll to > page 3, and then zoom in to the silk screen picture, you should see it > pretty clearly. > Ah, that's much better! I take it there was supposed to be one of these in my package? (Or there was and I lost it before seeing it... ;-) -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 3 11:44:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:43:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:42:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: "'vectorlist > Subject: Oscilloscope Sale at Tech America In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: "Christopher X. Candreva" I'm calling this "Vector Related" since I recall a number of people wishing that had scopes recently. I just received the March Tech America sales flyer. (Tech America seems to be a relatively new mail-order arm of Tandy/Radio Shack. They have everything from parts, to test equipment, to DJ and professional audio//video equipment, security, X10, etc). www.techamerica.com Anyway, they are advertising a Protek P-3502C 20MHz Dual-Trace scope for $249.00, regularly $399.00 . It looks like it could be a reasonable unit for vector game repair, and the price seems right. I wanted to let anyone else who might be shopping for a scope know, and solicit opinions from those who may be more experienced then I who might say it's a piece of junk ( Clay ? :-) I'll reproduce the catalog's descriptive paragraph below: * Built-in component tester displays component function and interaction [What the hell does this mean ??? cxc. ] * Features TV video synchronization filter This full-featured high-quality scope includes wide bandwidth and high sensitivity with low power consumption. It includes and X-Y mode and a Z axis for intensity modulation. Additional features include a TV video sync and high-frequency rejection filter, a front-panel elctrical trace rotator, a regulated power supply circuit and a component tester. The verical amplifiers provide a sensitiviy of 5mV/Div, and the frequency characteristic response with the smooth roll-off exceeds 20Mhz. The highest trigggering sweep speed is 0.2msec/Div. Includes 2 probes (X10, X1) 90 day limited warranty. ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 3 12:23:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:23:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:22:10 -0500 (EST) From: Mitchell Rohde To: "'vectorlist > cc: "Christopher X. Candreva" Subject: Re: Oscilloscope Sale at Tech America In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Mitchell Rohde > sweep speed is 0.2msec/Div. Includes 2 probes (X10, X1) 90 day limited > warranty. I would be leary of such an item. Two reasons stand out: 1) It has lots of features. It is better, IMHO, to have a solid scope that supports basic functions very well than a whole bunch of cheezy extras that all sort-of kind-of half work. Look at meters. You can get a digital meter for $30 that has all the features of a $200 Fluke... but it is unlikely that the performance and longevity will compare. Some things I wouldn't say this for, but real, good tools are worth every penny. 2) A 90 day limited warranty? Sounds pretty weak. If it were a 1 year total warranty I would not suspect... but 90 days? What is this, let's make a deal? Just my $0.02. Mitch From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 3 13:16:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:15:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: Oscilloscope Sale at Tech America Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:14:27 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Clay Cowgill > Anyway, they are advertising a Protek P-3502C 20MHz Dual-Trace scope > for > $249.00, regularly $399.00 . It looks like it could be a reasonable > unit > for vector game repair, and the price seems right. [...] > * Built-in component tester displays component function and > interaction > [What the hell does this mean ??? cxc. ] > Hey! I bet it's one of those Huntron-tracker style component testers! That's pretty cool. (Although after using mine last night on an Asteroids board I'm a little skeptical about it's value as an in-circuit tester-- unless you had an extra-snazzy one that has a memory comparison for known-good nodes.) > * Features TV video synchronization filter > Pretty standard stuff otherwise. Good price at $250 though. The buyer for my 40MHz Tenma fell through-- so if any of you want a 40MHz Tenma with on-screen cursors (V and T) make me an offer in the $450 range and it's all yours... :-) (It's about 2 years old. Maybe 1.5-- I don't recall...) -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 3 13:45:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:45:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist Subject: Re: Oscilloscope Sale at Tech America Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 21:45:44 GMT Message-ID: <34fd7135.9195536 > References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: zonn (Zonn) On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:22:10 -0500 (EST), Mitchell Rohde = wrote: > >> sweep speed is 0.2msec/Div. Includes 2 probes (X10, X1) 90 day limited >> warranty. > > I would be leary of such an item. Two reasons stand out: > > 1) It has lots of features. It is better, IMHO, to have a solid scope >that supports basic functions very well than a whole bunch of cheezy >extras that all sort-of kind-of half work. Look at meters. You can get= a >digital meter for $30 that has all the features of a $200 Fluke... but = it >is unlikely that the performance and longevity will compare. > > Some things I wouldn't say this for, but real, good tools are worth = every penny. > > 2) A 90 day limited warranty? Sounds pretty weak. If it were a 1 year >total warranty I would not suspect... but 90 days? What is this, let's >make a deal? True on both cases, but you also have to consider that $30 digital meters= of today are more accurate than $3000 tube based Tektronic meters of the = 60's. Technology has come along way with "voltmeters on a chip" making for some= very cheap equipment than works relatively well. The differences between = Fluke and Protek meters today are more a difference in housing construction, and calibration than hardware design. The Fluke is going to be better = calibrated, and will handle a fall from a bench better. But if the Protek says you = have 2.5v on a 5v power supply, you might really have 2.495 volts, but either = way it ain't 5v. The calibration of the Protek is not going to match that of a Fluke. And= 20mhz limits it's usefulness in many other fields, but is plenty for Arcade = repair (and most audio apps for that matter). But hell $250? Dual trace with = X/Y/Z modes? Not bad. I've used Protek scopes in the past, they don't explode= or anything when you turn them on -- and the one I was using was well over = 90days old. You won't go wrong buying a Tektronics or Fluke scope, if you can afford = it. But to fix an old X/Y Arcade game you don't need a 250mhz Tektronics = scope. You just need to see a low frequency waveform being displayed. If the = waveform's not right it won't matter if the voltage of the waveform displayed is off= by 0.5% As far as extra features, those are freebies because of newer technology. Having "features" is not a bad thing. My TV has Picture in Picture, all adjustments (Contrast, Volume, etc) can be made from across the room. It= can wake me in the morning, turn itself off at night, and automatically = search the spectrum for valid channels, allowing me to lock out QVC. It cost about = the same as my Dad paid for a living room TV that we had to get up and twist = a mechanical knob to "kerchunk" between channels. Those options are most likely built into the "Scope on a Chip" that the = IC designers threw in to sell more "Scope on a Chip" ICs. What do I own? A 250mhz Tektronics scope I paid $600 for used. And a 4 = 1/2 =46luke meter that I got instead of payment from a company going = bankrupt. -- Like I said, you won't go wrong with Tektronics and a Fluke! ;^) -Zonn <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn -------| // \\/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 3 14:46:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:45:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: "Ozdemir, Steve" To: "'vectorlist > Subject: Jeff Kinder Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:46:34 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: "Ozdemir, Steve" G'day folks, I'm about to do a large deal with Jeff Kinder (3d@garden.net). Has anyone had any difficult deals with him? Steven S Ozdemir sso pany renamed itself in Feb) sso (good for a few more months) ozdemir@xenon.stanford.edu (permanent...weekly) ps - I did check DejaNews and noticed previous deals where Jeff is buying everything that I'm about to buy from Jeff (at his cost might I add). But while Jeff has been on the short end of the stick regarding many of these deals, I've not seen any evidence of Jeff himself executing poor deals. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 3 15:34:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:33:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34FC93AF.4E1830C8 > Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 18:35:12 -0500 From: Scott Goings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "vectorlist > Subject: Y axis adjustment on Tempest Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Scott Goings I posted the following on rec.games.video.arcade.collecting Sunday morning. As of Tuesday night yet have not received any input. So, I am posting this to the vector list to see if any of the experts have any ideas on how to solve this problem. (posts edited from original query to usenet) As the title states I am having problems with the Y adjustment on my tempest. I can not get the Y axis small enough to fit the screen. Sequence of events: 1. Purchased machine one month ago with unstable video (Sine wave running down the vectors) 2. Replaced all the electrolytic capacitors on the H.V. board. (Sine wave problem resolved) 3. Went through the self test and made all adjustments ("Y Size" trim pot was set to the smallest size to get proper screen fit, did not change this as it was already set at the limit before I went through the adjustment procedure) 4. Game played fine for several weeks with no problems. Then during a game last night the Y size grew outside the limits of the CRT. Now I don't have any adjustment left to bring it down the right size. (I can make Y larger and the X size works fine) 5. I have checked the trim pot and the resistor in series with it and both check out OK. Any ideas on what I should check now? Additional information I pulled out the low voltage board this evening and found what I believe to be a nonstandard modification to the circuit (don't really know since this is the first machine I have owned). There is a daughter card which consists of (2) 2N3904's, (4) 2N3906's and various diodes, resistors and capacitors. This PCB is attached to the LV board with standoffs at the following locations: R600, R700 (both sides), R606 and R700 (one side) (these components had been removed from the LV board). In addition there are standoffs in holes which are not labeled. This daughter P.C.B. looks rather crude in comparison to the L.V. board but does carry ATARI makings as follows: ATARI c 81 MADE IN USA 038089-01 JPR II-2 I have a LV2000 but do not want to put it on until I get this problem figured out. Thanks in advance, Scott Goings From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 3 15:38:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:38:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:38:36 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist Subject: Re: Y axis adjustment on Tempest Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: aek (Al Kossow) "I pulled out the low voltage board this evening and found what I believe to be a nonstandard modification to the circuit" This was a input voltage limiting circuit that was added as a field modification to the monitors. I beleive you will find an ascii version of the circuit in Greg W's W-G repair FAQ. I assume that you've checked that the exisiting LV regulator circuit is still working, and the output isn't high? From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 3 15:45:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:44:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:44:51 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist Subject: 19K6400 input circuit board Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: aek (Al Kossow) the last posted reminded me.. wasn't someone going to scan in the input protection circuit board to go along with the 6400 schematic that's up on spies? From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 3 16:00:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:00:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist Subject: Re: 19K6400 input circuit board Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 00:01:04 GMT Message-ID: <3503997b.19506751 > References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: zonn (Zonn) On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:44:51 -0800 (PST), aek (Al Kossow) wrote: > >the last posted reminded me.. wasn't someone going to scan >in the input protection circuit board to go along with the >6400 schematic that's up on spies? Is it any different than the protection they added to the later 324 = boards? (I have one of these boards, I suppose I could look. :^) -Zonn <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn -------| // \\/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 3 20:54:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:54:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:53:05 -0500 (EST) From: Mitchell Rohde To: vectorlist cc: Zonn Subject: Re: Oscilloscope Sale at Tech America In-Reply-To: <34fd7135.9195536 > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Mitchell Rohde I agree with your thoughts that the $30 meter of today is better than the $7000 scope of 1961... but then again, I bet that tube scope will survive long after that $30 model has met the trash.. .:) hehehehe I'm a sucker for an old tube model... > > As far as extra features, those are freebies because of newer technology. > Having "features" is not a bad thing. My TV has Picture in Picture, all I totally agree with you that everything is smaller, cheaper faster, better. But test equipment is not quite like your TV. TVs are truly consumer electronics -- they manufacture them by them millions, market differentiation is difficult as they all have everything now (size is about the only factor), and so the price drops but the quality stays high. Test equipment, on the other hand, has a very limited market (hey, grandma doesn't own a scope) and therefor the prices stay high. It's a specialty product. Tektronix doesn't reduce it's scopes to $150 even if they are last year's model... why? because the market demand is not even a sixteenth as elastic as the demand for televisions. Hey, I'm working on a paper about medical instrumentation and why smaller, cheaper, faster better is the way... so you are preaching to the choir. But I am explaining why I am leary of the $250 scope that has mucho features... Then again, for $250 it doesn't hurt that much to try! :) Mitch > > What do I own? A 250mhz Tektronics scope I paid $600 for used. And a 4 1/2 > Fluke meter that I got instead of payment from a company going bankrupt. -- Like > I said, you won't go wrong with Tektronics and a Fluke! ;^) > > -Zonn > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: > |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically > / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures > / / //\\ // (__) > / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn > -------| // \\/ > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 3 21:02:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:02:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:01:55 -0500 To: vectorlist From: Woodcock@123net.net (Gregg Woodcock) Subject: Re: Y axis adjustment on Tempest Cc: Scott Goings Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Woodcock@123net.net (Gregg Woodcock) >As the title states I am having problems with the Y adjustment on my >tempest. I can not get the Y axis small enough to fit the screen. My guess is that you are also experiencing a problem with the X-axis but that you just happen to have enough pot adjustment to counteract it. I'd bet your ZD902 is bad on your HV unit and you have a low HV condition causing blooming. It's cheap enough to replace so I'd start there. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 3 21:34:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:34:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D1CDC79 > From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'vectorlist > Subject: BZ Blooming Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:33:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" I need a cross on the diode in the HV line on a BZ. I know I have seen it before but can't remember now where to get them. Thanks, David From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Mar 4 01:19:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 01:18:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980304011926.00545430@u1.netgate.net> X-Sender: grigsby@u1.netgate.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 01:19:26 -0800 To: vectorlist From: The Grigsbeast Subject: Losing net access temporarily Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: The Grigsbeast I'll be off the list for a while. I can still receive mail but won't be able to read it. Until then... // grigs From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Mar 4 04:50:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 04:50:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: djeffery (Doug Jefferys) Message-Id: <199803041247.HAA04741 > Subject: Re: Oscilloscope Sale at Tech America To: vectorlist Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:47:28 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Mitchell Rohde" at Mar 3, 98 11:53:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: djeffery (Doug Jefferys) Once upon a time, Mitchell Rohde wrote: > > I agree with your thoughts that the $30 meter of today is better than the > $7000 scope of 1961... but then again, I bet that tube scope will survive > long after that $30 model has met the trash.. .:) hehehehe I'm a sucker > for an old tube model... Reminds me - I've got an ancient tube scope that's on the fritz. We're talking ancient here, as in, "discrete components wired up by their component leads", with very little in the way of what we'd recognize as PC boards. It worked once-upon-a-time, but no longer accepts input; the only trace it'll display is a flat line. Anyone here know anything about tube-era technology? I've got a better 'scope that I use, but it'd be nice to get this ol' beast running again. Later, Doug. -- Douglas W. Jefferys | Star Data Systems | Email: djeffery | From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Mar 4 06:34:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 06:34:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:33:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: "'vectorlist > cc: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" Subject: Re: BZ Blooming In-Reply-To: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D1CDC79 > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: "Christopher X. Candreva" On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech) wrote: > I need a cross on the diode in the HV line on a BZ. I know I have seen it > before but can't remember now where to get them. Electrohome G-05 ? Check the magenta (or wherever it's moved to now) web site, under Monitor's, where Jess put up the cross reference part I found. (No, I don't remember what the part is either, I would have to look it up there too :-) ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Mar 4 09:28:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:28:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34FD8DD3.6A93 > Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:22:27 -0700 From: Jess Askey Organization: The Audio Analyst/The Game Spot X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: BZ Blooming (Cross location) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Jess Askey Christopher X. Candreva wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech) wrote: > > > I need a cross on the diode in the HV line on a BZ. I know I have seen it > > before but can't remember now where to get them. > > Electrohome G-05 ? Check the magenta (or wherever it's moved to now) web > site, under Monitor's, where Jess put up the cross reference part I found. > > (No, I don't remember what the part is either, I would have to look it up > there too :-) it is at http://www.gamearchive.com/video/manufacturer/atari/vector/html/monitor.html The info is from chris and is as follows... > the diode between the flyback and the tube (Part# H1812) can be replaced with > either an SK7333 or ECG/NTE 527A. -- Jess M. Askey *** Coming Soon - The Game Archive *** Game Spot/Audio Analyst * Pinball, Video, Parts, Collecting * 509 S. 2nd Street Unit B * http://www.gamearchive.com * Laramie WY 82070 ************************************** From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Mar 4 10:12:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:11:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:10:02 GMT X-Sender: jeffh Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vectorlist From: jeffh (Jeff Hendrix) Subject: RE: LV2000 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: jeffh (Jeff Hendrix) Clay, Sorry about that. If you want, I'll send you an assembly doc. (BTW, Anders packed your bag, guess he was concentrating more on making sure his check for your sega multigame was included ;-) ) Someone discovered another mistake in the installation docs. Under one of the wrench sections, it says to check Diodes D100-D104 and it should say D100-D103 (D104 comes out) Here are the mouser part numbers The only one you have to make sure you order the exact part is the 1-turn 1k Cermet trim pot. Mousers pots have slightly different spaced leads and the board is made specifically for that one. If you are ordering enough parts to make it worthwhile paying shipping from 2 companies, I suggest ordering some of the parts from Circuit Specialists (They charge $7 shipping). I put a * after the parts we ordered from C.S. If you order everything from Mouser it should cost about $7.50 + shipping. # Desc. Mouser Part 2) 240 1/4 W 29SJ250-240 2) 4.3k 1/4 W 29SJ250-4.3k 2) 4.7k 1/4 W 29SJ250-4.7k 2) 1-turn 1k Cermet trim 569-25PR-1k 6) 1N4002 Diodes 583-1N4002 * 2) .47uF 50V Tantalum 581-0.47M50V 2) 10uF 25V Tant. 581-10M25V 2) 1uF 35V Tant. 581-1.0K35V * 2) 3mm Red LEDs 351-3102 * 1) TO220 Adj V Reg 511-LM317T 1) TO220 -Adj V Reg 511-LM337SP (337T)* >> Alright, Clay, why don't you "read" the Assembly docs? ;-) >> There *is* a parts list in the assembly docs on page 3. >> >Uhhhhhh... No. The only thing I got tells me how to install a complete >kit onto a deflection board... > >> If you go to http://www.diac.com/~jeffh/lv2000/lv2000as.pdf and then >> scroll to >> page 3, and then zoom in to the silk screen picture, you should see it >> pretty clearly. >> >Ah, that's much better! I take it there was supposed to be one of these >in my package? (Or there was and I lost it before seeing it... ;-) > >-Clay jeffh Buy/Sell/Trade classic video arcade games. www.diac.com/~jeffh/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Mar 4 10:36:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:36:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist Subject: Re: LV2000 Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:37:07 GMT Message-ID: <34fe9f0b.61174051 > References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: zonn (Zonn) On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:40:32 -0800, Clay Cowgill = wrote: >Hi all (and Anders and Jeff in particular)-- > >Got my LV2000 boards yesterday. I'm quite impressed with the board and >docs! Good work guys! I agree, nice job!! -Zonn <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn -------| // \\/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Wed Mar 4 16:47:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:47:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34FDF64C.DA616F71 > Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 19:48:12 -0500 From: Scott Goings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: Y axis adjustment on Tempest References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Scott Goings Al and Greg: Thanks for the information on the field fix board. I was planning on removing it when I installed the LV2000. But after reading about in Greg's repair FAQ, I will be leaving it in. I have not tested the regulator circuit but will do so along with Greg's suggestion on the ZD902. (Greg - Thanks for the FAQ, it got me through my first problem with the machine.) After I determine the cause of the problem I will report back to the list. Thanks, Scott Goings Al Kossow wrote: > "I pulled out the low voltage board this evening and found what I believe > to be a nonstandard modification to the circuit" > > This was a input voltage limiting circuit that was added as a field > modification to the monitors. I beleive you will find an ascii version > of the circuit in Greg W's W-G repair FAQ. > > I assume that you've checked that the exisiting LV regulator circuit > is still working, and the output isn't high? Greg Woodcock wrote: My guess is that you are also experiencing a problem with the X-axis but that you just happen to have enough pot adjustment to counteract it. I'd bet your ZD902 is bad on your HV unit and you have a low HV condition causing blooming. It's cheap enough to replace so I'd start there. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Mar 5 00:38:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 00:38:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Kgowland Message-ID: <3e7cf4d1.34fe6456 > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 03:37:39 EST To: vectorlist Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Opinion needed: Lunar Lander/Asteroids factory conversion Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Kgowland I have a Lunar Lander cabinet that was converted at the factory to an Asteroids. I know this because it has 215xx (signifying Asteroids) for model number and a different sticker that says AST 1350 for the serial number. Here is where I need your opinions; is it better (value-wise - if I become destitute and have to sell it) to leave it as a rare Asteroids or return it to Lunar Lander status? I have the Lunar Lander boardset and got it to work recently. Should I look for the cp for Lunar Lander or leave it alone? Just as in the upcoming vote for/against RGVAM, majority will decide whether it stay as Asteroids or return to Lunar Lander. Kirby G PS: I will voting to REMOVE RGVAM. WTB Blaster cockpit or a Lamborghini; whichever is cheaper. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Mar 5 04:07:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 04:06:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 07:05:34 -0500 (EST) From: Duncan Brown Subject: Re: Opinion needed: Lunar Lander/Asteroids factory conversion To: vectorlist Message-id: <01IUAR89262A00VFJS@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Organization: Digital Equipment Computer Users Society X-VMS-To: IN%"vectorlist " X-VMS-Cc: BROWN_DU MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Duncan Brown > I have a Lunar Lander cabinet that was converted at the factory to an > Asteroids. I know this because it has 215xx (signifying Asteroids) for model > number and a different sticker that says AST 1350 for the serial number. Here Are you sure that's it? I've seen an Asteroids just like that, but was convinced it was just a really *early* Asteroids. It had white sides...and IIRC a sticker instead of paint right on laminated wood (black laminated wood for production Asteroids). But nothing whatsoever about it made me think it had ever been a Lunar Lander (which also had paint right on black laminated wood sides.) Interestingly, I think the one I saw had that *exact* serial number. This was in Waynesboro, Virginia a couple of years ago and was destined to be sold at auction or tossed in the trash. Duncan From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Mar 5 09:31:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:30:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <34FEE148.3293 > Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 12:30:48 -0500 From: Joel Rosenzweig Organization: Hewlett-Packard Medical Products Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Votrax SC-01 References: <01BD2FDB.3BAA4600 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Joel Rosenzweig Is there any chance that someone on this list has an extra Votrax SC-01 speech synthesis chip for sale? I know it's not vector related, but we are definately the type of guys to have such items laying around if anyone would. I thought I'd ask. I do know that Gorf, WoW, and QBert use this chip, but I don't own any of these boardsets. I'd rather not canibalize one either, but I will go that route if I have to I suppose. I'm repairing my Heath Hero Jr. robot. I got this almost one year ago, non-working, and it has been frustrating me for a long while. The robot is almost completely inoperative, except for some bus activity. Last weekend, I picked up the project again and with the help of a better scope, I noticed that a stable bit pattern was being put onto the bus. I borrowed a logic analyzer and stuck that on the data bus and captured what was going on. I confirmed that the CPU was executing a tight loop, on the order of 20 instructions. I disassembled the code into potential fragments, and I compared these to a version of disassembled but somewhat commented code for the entire monitor rom program. I managed to do some pattern matching, and zeroed in on the code segment that was being executed, and learned that this piece of code was trying to talk to the speech synthesizer. Specifically, it was looping forever, waiting for the "phoneme complete" line to strobe. That strobe was not coming. I removed the chip, and hooked up a clock to that line instead in order to fake out the CPU. And it worked! Having a signal there was all the robot needed to get out of the loop so it could continue doing its initialization routine. It was cool. My wife was not so excited when I woke her up at 12:30am last night to tell her of my progress. But, as loving as she is, she was happy for me at least. ;-) Anyway, the problem is that the speech is a huge part of the output of this guy, and it's just not the same without speech. It's almost unusable, because all the requests for data are given verbally. Obviously, I'd like to fix it so that the whole thing works like it should. If anyone has one of these chips available, I'd be most appreciative! And, as soon as I finish up this project, then I can program the robot to guard the vector arcade. I can program it to guard a room and set off an alarm if the intruder doesn't enter the right password into its keypad. HEHEHEHE. Actually, then I can get back to my backlog of projects, including fixing a few more Amplifones and building those LV2000's .. You guys on the west coast are lucky. I still haven't received mine yet. At least El Nino has brought us a mild winter with almost no snow... Thanks, Joel- From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Mar 5 11:50:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:49:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <34FF01AA.B2AEE48F > Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 14:48:58 -0500 From: Corey Stup X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: Votrax SC-01 References: <01BD2FDB.3BAA4600 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Corey Stup Hey Joel, I found a new SC-01 from a local game vendor, about 6 months ago. Paid $15, and he was really happy to finally get rid of it. I had a really hard time finding one used on the net - people kept responding with "Just find a Gorf boardset".... Well, since I don't have any Gorf boardsets, and all the ones that I did find already had the SC-01 pulled, that wasn't doing me any good. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Mar 5 13:18:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:17:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:16:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199803052116.PAA01639 > From: Michael Schulz To: vectorlist In-Reply-To: (message from Clay Cowgill on Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:21:07 -0800) Subject: Re: Board tester board... Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Michael Schulz >So a while back I brought up the idea to make a "universal" test board >for working on game PCB's. >... >from the edge connector.) Heavier "posts" (like Atari's test points) >are comparitively spendy and take up a lot of PCB space. > For what it's worth, I'd much rather have more durable posts *especially* on test equipment. In my opinion, it's well worth it to use 'better' components on this type of kit. The cost difference is negligible. Maybe I'm the only one, but having just unpacked my Sega multigame board, I would have gladly paid the extra $1-2 to have machine pinned sockets, (etc.) instead of the cheapo radio shack quality sockets, (etc.) (Note - I'm not disappointed in the kit overall, just the decision to pinch pennies on the individual components.) Mike p.s. I know I'm running about a week late on responding to this, but I've been overloaded at work and am just now reading my email... From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Mar 5 16:50:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:49:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist > Subject: Misc updates... Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:48:56 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Clay Cowgill Sega Multigames-- I'm building up the last batch to go out right now. (This is Bill, John, Anders, Al, Dave, and a few others.) I ran out of sockets last night, so I'm waiting for JDR. Probably get stuff shipping middle of next week again. New ESB boards-- found my $@#$!@#$! 6809 pod last night, so I'll be working on the PAL for the new ESB kits again. Quickproto PCB fabricator-- remember me mentioning our division ordered one of these a couple months ago? Well, I never saw it arrive, and then today I was walking through the other R&D center and saw it set up in a cubicle! Thanks for telling me... *grumble* Anyway, I'm going to see if I can get trained on it and try a couple proto-boards for grins. :-) -Clay Clayton N. Cowgill Engineering Manager ------------------------------------------------- /\ Diamond Multimedia System, Inc. \/ Communications Division From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Mar 5 20:39:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:39:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: JBPeters Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:38:18 EST To: vectorlist Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: vector list Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: JBPeters I was wondering how to get on the vector mailing list; I've got some problems with a Tempest monitor. Got this address from Al Kossow. jeff From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Mar 5 21:12:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:12:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D1CDC8B > From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'vectorlist > Subject: Star Wars way out of focus Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:11:31 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" I went to play my SW upright recently. And it came up OK but the vectors were REALLY out of focus. Upwards of 1" wide. Last time I used it about 6 months ago it was fine. This is an Ampliphone setup. Any ideas? David From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Mar 5 21:46:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:45:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:45:39 -0500 To: vectorlist From: Woodcock@123net.net (Gregg Woodcock) Subject: Re: Misc updates... Cc: Clay Cowgill Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Woodcock@123net.net (Gregg Woodcock) At 16:48 3/5/98, Clay Cowgill wrote: >Sega Multigames-- I'm building up the last batch to go out right now. >(This is Bill, John, Anders, Al, Dave, and a few others.) I ran out of >sockets last night, so I'm waiting for JDR. Probably get stuff shipping >middle of next week again. If this is still the case, PLEASE put in the high quality machine sockets on my boards; either that or ship it with no sockets at all cuz I'd rather put them in myself than have regular sockets. Also, I REALLY, REALLY need that "old" ESB boardset (I can wait on the new ones) ASAP. I owe it to a friend of mine and he is losing patience. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Mar 6 04:39:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 04:39:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980306073741.00813510@se.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dpage@se.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 07:37:41 -0500 To: vectorlist From: dP Subject: Re: Star Wars way out of focus In-Reply-To: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D1CDC8B@red-msg-59.dns.micr osoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: dP Sounds like a bad flyback. I have had the same problem with raster monitiors, and it was the flyback on all. Dave At 09:11 PM 3/5/98 -0800, you wrote: >I went to play my SW upright recently. And it came up OK but the vectors >were REALLY out of focus. Upwards of 1" wide. > >Last time I used it about 6 months ago it was fine. > >This is an Ampliphone setup. > >Any ideas? > >David > > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Mar 6 14:23:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:22:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist > Subject: LV2000 parts... Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:21:37 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Clay Cowgill For those of you that bought 10+ LV2000 boards you can probably save a few $$$ by ordering some of the parts from Jameco. In particular, the LM317 and LM337 are cheaper, as is the 10uF 25V tant cap. I didn't work out the break-even on shipping and whatnot since there was some other stuff I needed from Jameco anyway. Just a thought... -Clay Clayton N. Cowgill Engineering Manager ------------------------------------------------- /\ Diamond Multimedia System, Inc. \/ Communications Division From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Sun Mar 8 13:09:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:08:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 15:07:01 -0600 From: "Rhea, Cristopher J." (Cris Rhea) Message-Id: <199803082107.PAA19722@sijer.Mayo.EDU> To: vectorlist Subject: what is... Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: "Rhea, Cristopher J." (Cris Rhea) The number stamped into the wood above the back door on an Atari Star Wars? Thanks- Cris ----------------------------------------------------------- Cristopher J. Rhea Mayo Foundation Research Computing Facility Guggenheim 1001B crhea@Mayo.EDU Rochester, MN 55905 Fax: (507) 266-4486 (507) 284-0587 ----------------------------------------------------------- From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 9 07:46:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:46:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <199803091510.JAA12052@fermat.mayo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1mach v148) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.1mach (Enhance 2.0b5) From: Ray Ghanbari Date: Mon, 9 Mar 98 09:10:37 -0600 To: vectorlist Subject: Original ESB PCB for sale Organization: Mayo Foundation Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Ray Ghanbari As a heads up to folks on this list, my original Atari factory conversion ESB PCB is currently up for auction (going going gone phase starts Friday). Current bid is $135, which is a deal for those fanatics among us that insist on originals for their collections (thankfully, I've started to mature ;-) Ray From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 9 08:34:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:33:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Paul Kahler Message-Id: <199803091633.LAA17444@saturn.acs.oakland.edu> Subject: Re: Original ESB PCB for sale To: vectorlist Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:33:00 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199803091510.JAA12052@fermat.mayo.edu> from "Ray Ghanbari" at Mar 9, 98 09:10:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Paul Kahler > As a heads up to folks on this list, my original Atari factory conversion ESB > PCB is currently up for auction (going going gone phase starts Friday). > Current bid is $135, which is a deal for those fanatics among us that insist on > originals for their collections (thankfully, I've started to mature ;-) > > Ray So maturity boils down to caring more about money... Otherwise you wouldn't mind the space the originals take up & the money they cost (or that you can get for them). Don't get me wrong, I agree completely - a modified Star Wars set is more practical than having both. But this "maturity" road if taken too far leads to bad things... -- ___ __ _ _ _ | \ / \ | | | || | phkahler@oakland.edu Engineer/Programmer | _/| || || |_| || |__ " What makes someone care so much? |_| |_||_| \___/ |____) for things another man can just ignore. " -S.H. From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 9 09:49:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:49:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <35042911.35EC > Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 12:38:25 -0500 From: Joel Rosenzweig Organization: Hewlett-Packard Medical Products Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Tempest spinners References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Joel Rosenzweig Hi all, Just in case you are interested ... I am going to do an experiment with my second Tempest spinner to replace the two bushings with nice ball bearings for the ultimate in smoothness! No more "BRRRRrrrrrr!" sound that we all know and love. ;-) I've been using the teflon grease for 2 years, and that works well, but I want a more permanent solution. Anyway, I measured the bushings and located ball bearings that are almost suitable. I found a bearing with the same ID (0.25in), same flange thickness (0.036in), but with a slightly larger OD (0.375 instead of 0.315in). They are $4.25 each. All I need to do is bore out the holes in the Tempest spinner, drop these in place, and I'll be in business. I ordered the bearings today, so I'll probably have them by Friday, and I'll install them this weekend. If you are interested in any more details because you want to do this for your own Tempest spinner, let me know. Joel- From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 9 10:48:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:48:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist Subject: Re: Tempest spinners Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 18:48:36 GMT Message-ID: <3504378c.54195086 > References: In-Reply-To: <35042911.35EC > X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: zonn (Zonn) On Mon, 09 Mar 1998 12:38:25 -0500, Joel Rosenzweig = wrote: >Hi all, > >Just in case you are interested ... > >I am going to do an experiment with my second Tempest spinner to replace >the two bushings with nice ball bearings for the ultimate in >smoothness! No more "BRRRRrrrrrr!" sound that we all know and love.=20 >;-) I've been using the teflon grease for 2 years, and that works well, >but I want a more permanent solution. > >Anyway, I measured the bushings and located ball bearings that are >almost suitable. I found a bearing with the same ID (0.25in), same >flange thickness (0.036in), but with a slightly larger OD (0.375 instead >of 0.315in). They are $4.25 each. All I need to do is bore out the >holes in the Tempest spinner, drop these in place, and I'll be in >business. > >I ordered the bearings today, so I'll probably have them by Friday, and >I'll install them this weekend. If you are interested in any more >details because you want to do this for your own Tempest spinner, let me >know. Go to your local surplus store and look for some old stepper or servo = motors with a 1/4" *long* shaft that use ball bearings. I found a couple of = them locally for $5.00 a piece. By removing all the guts from the motor and keeping the case I found it = very easy to mount the motor to the bottom of old spinner with the shaft = sticking up though the original holes. (hint: To remove coils that have been pressed = fitted into the motor's casing, you a heat gun on the casing, it expands and the= coils slip out pretty easily.) Then slip on the original spinner to the = motor's shaft and you have a real nice spinner. The nice thing about this approach is already having the bearings nicely mounted. Either way good luck (and yes, I'd be interested in how you mount the = bearings.) -Zonn <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn -------| // \\/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 9 15:15:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:14:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <199803092147.PAA05796@fermat.mayo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1mach v148) In-Reply-To: <199803091633.LAA17444@saturn.acs.oakland.edu> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.1mach (Enhance 2.0b5) From: Ray Ghanbari Date: Mon, 9 Mar 98 15:47:27 -0600 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: Original ESB PCB for sale References: <199803091633.LAA17444@saturn.acs.oakland.edu> Organization: Mayo Foundation Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Ray Ghanbari You wrote: > So maturity boils down to caring more about money... Otherwise you wouldn't > mind the space the originals take up & the money they cost (or that you can > get for them). Don't get me wrong, I agree completely - a modified Star Wars > set is more practical than having both. But this "maturity" road if taken > too far leads to bad things... Perhaps it is time for Steve to publish his "Evolution of a Collector" FAQ so I have something to defend myself with ;-) As with most of us, $$ is not the driving issue (or my case, any issue...I prefer trades). My collecting maturity is more focusing on those things that had special meaning for me as a youngster, and not going after the most rare or most complete collection (same reason I traded my Blaster set and am selling my Joust 2) Put another way, you'll pry my Tempest from my cold dead fingers, but if someone else can find joy in owning an original ESB, I'm more than happy to help them out. If anything, the availability of the ESB hack means that those that really care about the game (rather than just playing it) will be the only ones bidding (==cheap). More power to them, and I'm glad for it... Now if someone could drum up an original Atari Pong for me, I'd be in hog heaven (first video game I ever player, and I still get goosebumps thinking about it) Ray From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 9 16:02:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:02:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: "Ozdemir, Steve" To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: Original ESB PCB for sale Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:03:14 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: "Ozdemir, Steve" G'day folks, Well, it turns out that "maturity" in collectors was discussed in relation to the recent Operator FAQ rewrite (which should be in the hands of the operator reviewers shortly). I'm not sure if that concept was axed, but I did like the definition we came up with: This hobby is *ABOUT* video games, but it is *NOT* a video game in and of itself -- it doesn't matter what "level" you're working at, so long as you're enjoying yourself. Well, it was either this quote or something more blunt like "Hey, it ain't necessarily a matter of who dies with the most toys!" I'll let you all guess whether Doug or I came up with this last one...8^) 8^) 8^) Steven S Ozdemir sso pany renamed itself in Feb) sso (good for a few more months) ozdemir@xenon.stanford.edu (permanent...weekly) ps - Evolution FAQ will be released with the rewritten Operator FAQ. I don't know if the Auction FAQ is going to be rewritten...we'd originally discussed it, but I think that may have gone by the wayside due to time constraints (and not enough complaints about it being out of date). ObVector: I did look at a Barrier sound board again this weekend. It's more organized than the Space Wars, but the component count has to be the same. Shouldn't we be able to remanufacture both of these with some of the modern stuff. Didn't Joe say there was something that could duplicate simple analog circuits like the ones used by Space Wars and Barrier? (Speed Freak's sound board looks like Star Hawk's...at least 20 ICs and alot of organization. Not a candidate...sorry.) >---------- >From: Ray Ghanbari[SMTP:ray@mayo.edu] >Sent: Monday, March 09, 1998 1:47 PM >To: vectorlist >Cc: Ray Ghanbari >Subject: Re: Original ESB PCB for sale > >You wrote: >> So maturity boils down to caring more about money... Otherwise you wouldn't >> mind the space the originals take up & the money they cost (or that you can >> get for them). Don't get me wrong, I agree completely - a modified Star >>Wars >> set is more practical than having both. But this "maturity" road if taken >> too far leads to bad things... > >Perhaps it is time for Steve to publish his "Evolution of a Collector" FAQ so > >I have something to defend myself with ;-) > >As with most of us, $$ is not the driving issue (or my case, any issue...I >prefer trades). My collecting maturity is more focusing on those things that > >had special meaning for me as a youngster, and not going after the most rare >or >most complete collection (same reason I traded my Blaster set and am selling >my Joust 2) > >Put another way, you'll pry my Tempest from my cold dead fingers, but if >someone else can find joy in owning an original ESB, I'm more than happy to >help them out. If anything, the availability of the ESB hack means that >those >that really care about the game (rather than just playing it) will be the >only >ones bidding (==cheap). More power to them, and I'm glad for it... > >Now if someone could drum up an original Atari Pong for me, I'd be in hog >heaven (first video game I ever player, and I still get goosebumps thinking >about it) > >Ray > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 9 16:30:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:29:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: "Rhea, Cristopher J." (Cris Rhea) Message-Id: <199803092344.RAA25698@sijer.Mayo.EDU> Subject: Re: Original ESB PCB for sale To: vectorlist Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:44:33 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199803092147.PAA05796@fermat.mayo.edu> from "Ray Ghanbari" at Mar 9, 98 03:47:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: "Rhea, Cristopher J." (Cris Rhea) Ray wrote: > As with most of us, $$ is not the driving issue (or my case, any issue...I > prefer trades). My collecting maturity is more focusing on those things that > had special meaning for me as a youngster, and not going after the most > rare or most complete collection (same reason I traded my Blaster set and > am selling my Joust 2) For Ray, youngster was "last week". Kind of like when a 10 year old says "when I was a kid...". ;) -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Cristopher J. Rhea Mayo Foundation Research Computing Facility Guggenheim 1001B crhea@Mayo.EDU Rochester, MN 55905 Fax: (507) 266-4486 (507) 284-0587 ----------------------------------------------------------- From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Mon Mar 9 20:34:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:32:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: Kurt Mahan Message-Id: <199803100432.VAA02143 > Subject: Re: Original ESB PCB for sale To: vectorlist Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:32:00 -0700 (MST) In-Reply-To: <199803092147.PAA05796@fermat.mayo.edu> from "Ray Ghanbari" at Mar 9, 98 03:47:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Kurt Mahan > Now if someone could drum up an original Atari Pong for me, I'd be in hog > heaven (first video game I ever player, and I still get goosebumps thinking > about it) Uhh ray? Which version? I can't put my hands on the orange plastic Pong, but I can put them on the wooden one with the yellow front (complete with the original TV set for a monitor..) Its in B condition. I'm 99% sure you can have it for shipping.. (I just put a call in to make sure it doesn't get trashed.. :) I powered it up this weekend and didn't get an image, but the tv seems to be ok, and looking at the ttl board, "how hard could it be?" Kurt From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Tue Mar 10 09:07:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:04:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: Original ESB PCB for sale Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:03:24 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Clay Cowgill > ObVector: I did look at a Barrier sound board again this weekend. > It's > more organized than the Space Wars, but the component count has to be > the same. Shouldn't we be able to remanufacture both of these with > some > of the modern stuff. Didn't Joe say there was something that could > duplicate simple analog circuits like the ones used by Space Wars and > Barrier? (Speed Freak's sound board looks like Star Hawk's...at least > 20 ICs and alot of organization. Not a candidate...sorry.) > I just bought Electronics Workbench which is a mixed-mode circuit simulator. It uses SPICE (3R5 I think) as an analog engine which has been extended to support digital circuits as well. Really handy for seeing how stuff works (especially for non-analog guru's like me ;-). I was going to try to simulate a couple sounds from the Space Fury sound board with it for grins... (I already used it for making some color-output circuits for a vector generator. Pretty cool.) Electronics Workbench is ~$300, but I remembered an old $199 promotion so I called and asked if I could have that price. They gave it to me for $200... (And they make Mac Versions, Al ;-) There are certainly higher-end solutions that do mixed-mode stuff (DR-SPICE comes to mind) but I think they're much bigger $$$. EW has a friendly "hobbiest" feel to it (but some of my co-workers used it extensively in "pro" applications too). -Clay From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Mar 12 12:47:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:46:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <199803122042.OAA22708@fermat.mayo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1mach v148) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.1mach (Enhance 2.0b5) From: Ray Ghanbari Date: Thu, 12 Mar 98 14:42:40 -0600 To: vectorlist Subject: Old CNMA monitors Organization: Mayo Foundation Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Ray Ghanbari (Surprise! An on topic post from Ray ;-) Has anyone scanned in the schematics of the older style cinematronics monitors? We're trying to revive a Space Wars that seems to work great except for a lack of HV to the monitor (boards work, game plays, you can hear deflection chatter, etc.) Unfortunately, only schematics I have are from later CNMA games that took the HV section off the main monitor PCB and replaced it with the Keltron assembly. The monitor in the Space Wars has all the components on the monitor PCB, with a little cage over the fly back. Of course, if others have dealt with these symptoms before, advice would be appreciated. Thanks Ray From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Thu Mar 12 17:16:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:16:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist Subject: Re: Old CNMA monitors Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 01:17:11 GMT Message-ID: <350983fb.3667516 > References: <199803122042.OAA22708@fermat.mayo.edu> In-Reply-To: <199803122042.OAA22708@fermat.mayo.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: zonn (Zonn) On Thu, 12 Mar 98 14:42:40 -0600, Ray Ghanbari wrote: >(Surprise! An on topic post from Ray ;-) > >Has anyone scanned in the schematics of the older style cinematronics =20 >monitors? We're trying to revive a Space Wars that seems to work great = except =20 >for a lack of HV to the monitor (boards work, game plays, you can hear =20 >deflection chatter, etc.) > >Unfortunately, only schematics I have are from later CNMA games that = took the =20 >HV section off the main monitor PCB and replaced it with the Keltron = assembly. =20 >The monitor in the Space Wars has all the components on the monitor PCB,= with =20 >a little cage over the fly back. The Barrier monitor schematic on www.spies.com contains the HV section. = It's also one of the .TIF files that is readable by Paint Shop Pro. -Zonn <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn -------| // \\/ From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Mar 13 07:00:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:00:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <35094A1F.6CAF > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:00:48 -0500 From: Joel Rosenzweig Organization: Hewlett-Packard Medical Products Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: New Cat box development? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Joel Rosenzweig Whatever happened to the new cat box development project? Did anyone make progress with that? Was I asleep at the wheel? Joel- From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Mar 13 07:22:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:21:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <199803131520.HAA02962 > X-Sender: andersk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:20:16 -0700 To: vectorlist From: Anders Knudsen Subject: Re: New Cat box development? In-Reply-To: <35094A1F.6CAF > References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Anders Knudsen At 10:00 AM 3/13/98 -0500, you wrote: >Whatever happened to the new cat box development project? Did anyone >make progress with that? Was I asleep at the wheel? > >Joel- I haven't looked at it any further. If I remember we were thinking about the possibility of using a Motorola 68HC11 to create the "catbox deaux". I am still interested in this project. I have a 68HC11 development board sitting in my basement just waiting to be used! Now I just need to find some time to get started. Perhaps we need to define the architecture of the new catbox. Keeping in mind that we don't want to OD on the features. I'm happy with one that does the same thing the old catbox does, but is architectured such that one could expand on it. So who's up for writing the architecture "spec" so we have something to design to? I'm willing to be part of it. -Anders. ----------------------------------------- | Anders Knudsen | ASIC Design Engineer | Adaptec, Inc., Longmont, CO | anders_knudsen | http://www.adaptec.com ========================================= From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Mar 13 07:49:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:49:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:49:17 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist Subject: Re: New Cat box development? Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: aek (Al Kossow) "Whatever happened to the new cat box development project? Did anyone make progress with that? Was I asleep at the wheel?" I've been working on the PC parallel port adapter I mentioned a few weeks ago. I have a PC board done, and have been working on getting the Mach231 finished for it. It is essentially one part, parallel port bits and ph0 go in, and data/adr/ph1-2 come out. Internally it had a 16 bit adr counter that can auto increment for the adr. The tricky part is getting all the timing right relative to the ph0 input clock From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Mar 13 09:23:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:22:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D1CDCC7 > From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: New Cat box development? Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:21:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" Well as the one who started this a while back I guess its up to me to make a status report: It boils down to no significant progress. Joe thinks that he can turn most of the glue logic into a PLD, then we would have an IC part count < 10 possibly < 5. But he has been pretty busy and hasn't had time to do the work on it. Anders is interested in doing a re-design using the 68hc11. I have been reading up on parallel port interfacing with the thought of just writing some code and running a bunch of i/o lines and some glue logic with 10 plus test leads. And I still have a bunch of BZ boards that this would be really helpful on. :) David > ---------- > From: Joel Rosenzweig[SMTP:joel-r ] > Reply To: vectorlist > Sent: Friday, March 13, 1998 7:00 AM > To: vectorlist > Cc: Joel Rosenzweig > Subject: New Cat box development? > > Whatever happened to the new cat box development project? Did anyone > make progress with that? Was I asleep at the wheel? > > Joel- > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Mar 13 09:24:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:24:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D1CDCC8 > From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'vectorlist > Cc: Anders Knudsen Subject: RE: New Cat box development? Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:23:58 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" > I haven't looked at it any further. If I remember we were thinking about > the possibility of using a Motorola 68HC11 to create the "catbox deaux". > I am still interested in this project. I have a 68HC11 development board > sitting in my basement just waiting to be used! > Now I just need to find some time to get started. And there is the problem for all of us. > Perhaps we need to define the architecture of the new catbox. Keeping in > mind that we don't want to OD on the features. I'm happy with one that > does > the same thing the old catbox does, but is architectured such that one > could expand on it. > Well to start with we need to emulate all the functions of the original cat box (minus the logic probe probably). > So who's up for writing the architecture "spec" so we have something to > design to? I'm willing to be part of it. > > Let me dig out my docs again and I will start a bullet list on just what the features were. David From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Mar 13 09:27:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:27:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <199803131726.LAA00087@fermat.mayo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1mach v148) In-Reply-To: <350983fb.3667516 > X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.1mach (Enhance 2.0b5) From: Ray Ghanbari Date: Fri, 13 Mar 98 11:26:49 -0600 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: Old CNMA monitors References: <199803122042.OAA22708@fermat.mayo.edu> <350983fb.3667516 > Organization: Mayo Foundation Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Ray Ghanbari You wrote: > The Barrier monitor schematic on www.spies.com contains the HV section. It's > also one of the .TIF files that is readable by Paint Shop Pro. Got it! Thanks for the pointer. While there, I saw the service bulletin regarding arcing on cnma monitors with the Sylvania tube. Looks like the recommended action was to use a neo lamp to sink the HV field. Has anyone dealt with this problem with the older Sylvania tubes? Is it a serious/common problem? Using a neon lamp seems to be quite a hack. I'd like to skip it if not necessary (of course, we have to get the HV working again first ;-) Ray From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Mar 13 10:24:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:24:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist > Subject: Cinematronics multigame? Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:23:30 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Clay Cowgill Wasn't there someone here working on a Cinematronics Multigame? I seem to recall some discussion about patching the existing games to use a single "multigame" control panel (and I think Joe was tinkering with the sound stuff?) I was going to take a look at a Cinemat->Wells Gardner monitor adapter based on the stuff Al found... Anyone working on this? Just curious since I have a (mostly) working Cinematronics platform now... (thanks, Bill!) -Clay Clayton N. Cowgill Engineering Manager ------------------------------------------------- /\ Diamond Multimedia System, Inc. \/ Communications Division From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Mar 13 11:47:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:47:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: "Ozdemir, Steve" To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: Cinematronics multigame? Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:48:15 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: "Ozdemir, Steve" G'day folks, Sean Riddle was working on a universal control panel (and was Paul or Zonn looking into patches?), but I don't think Sean got far. I've always been interested in a universal control panel. I'm looking taking all the "button games from Cinematronics" and using an EPROM approach to translate the buttons to a Rip Off control panel (where I'll need to rig something for the Space Wars selection pad). I'd like to get Space Wars, Barrier, Rip Off, Star Castle, War of the Worlds, Armor Attack and Solar Quest all squeezed into a Rip Off control panel. I'd like to include Sundance but this would be tough given the control panel layout. And between Sundance's specialized monitor and the low chance of locating (or remanufacturing) a spare Sundance sound board, I just can't convince myself to include Sundance and raise the game count past 8. (The only reason I included Barrier is that I think the sound board can be remanufactured...the layout of the Barrier control panel is going to be a problem.) I already have a Warrior with Star Hawk, since they share the same joysticks (and no I haven't carved the Warrior control panel up for the three speed buttons on Star Hawk). Maybe this is where I should put Barrier since I think it would do well with joystick controls? Tail Gunner and Speed Freak just aren't good candidates given the analog pots and special wiring for these controls. Did I miss any Cinematronics/Vectorbeam games? I thought there were 14 games known to exist?? Steven S Ozdemir sso pany renamed itself in Feb) sso (good for a few more months) ozdemir@xenon.stanford.edu (permanent...weekly) ps - Wish I could get Joe interested in just reproducing the Space Wars and Barrier sound boards. Low component counts and simpler designs. I'd hope that means they'd be easier and just the perfect candidates for projects to practice on before taking on the more challenging "Universal Cinematronics Sound Board" project. But hey, if Clay is getting interested in this area, maybe reproducing Space Wars or Barrier sound boards is the simple project he's looking for? (You think if I drag Zonn into this by suggesting that "Remanufacturing sound boards just goes over Zonn's head", then there'd be some rapid progress? 8^) 8^) 8^) Nothing like some competition among our best and brightest, eh?) >---------- >From: Clay Cowgill[SMTP:ClayC ] >Sent: Friday, March 13, 1998 10:23 AM >To: 'vectorlist ' >Cc: Clay Cowgill >Subject: Cinematronics multigame? > >Wasn't there someone here working on a Cinematronics Multigame? > >I seem to recall some discussion about patching the existing games to >use a single "multigame" control panel (and I think Joe was tinkering >with the sound stuff?) I was going to take a look at a Cinemat->Wells >Gardner monitor adapter based on the stuff Al found... > >Anyone working on this? Just curious since I have a (mostly) working >Cinematronics platform now... (thanks, Bill!) > >-Clay > >Clayton N. Cowgill Engineering Manager >------------------------------------------------- >/\ Diamond Multimedia System, Inc. >\/ Communications Division > From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Mar 13 12:12:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:12:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: Cinematronics multigame? Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:10:39 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Clay Cowgill > Sean Riddle was working on a universal control panel (and was Paul or > Zonn looking into patches?), but I don't think Sean got far > Ahhh. That's who I remembered. (Sean and Paul, that is.) > I'd like to get Space Wars, Barrier, Rip Off, Star Castle, War of the > Worlds, Armor Attack and Solar Quest all squeezed into a Rip Off > control > panel. > That's about what I was hoping for since the only machine I have is a Rip Off... > ps - Wish I could get Joe interested in just reproducing the Space > Wars > and Barrier sound boards. Low component counts and simpler designs. > I'd hope that means they'd be easier and just the perfect candidates > for > projects to practice on before taking on the more challenging > "Universal > Cinematronics Sound Board" project. > I'd go for that. I discovered that Diamond uses the Analog Devices ADSP2181 DSP on the Monster Sound Card... Sooooo... I got a 2181 EZ-KIT and might try some DSP. I'm not thinking of actually recreating the correct sound effects, I'm thinking more along the lines of a glorified sample-player. (This solves the Sega Multigame sound problems to a certain degree too.) I barely know enough about DSP to even be dangerous, but the 2181 looks pretty beefy and simple to use. (It has 16K of internal Data and 16K or Program RAM onboard, so all you have is the DSP, Crystal, EPROM(s), and CODEC. Pretty clean.) The EZ-KIT is only $89 and looks like it should work for all the development (and probably be an OK "production" platform too if interest is too low to merit a run of PCB's). > But hey, if Clay is getting interested in this area, maybe reproducing > Space Wars or Barrier sound boards is the simple project he's looking > for? (You think if I drag Zonn into this by suggesting that > "Remanufacturing sound boards just goes over Zonn's head", then > there'd > be some rapid progress? 8^) 8^) 8^) Nothing like some competition > among our best and brightest, eh?) > Nahhh, Zonn's just too *CHICKEN* to try reproducing a Space Wars or Barrier sound board. *bwwwwockkk!* *bwock* *bwock* *bwock!!* (Fine, laugh. Let's see *you* spell the noise a chicken makes. *cluck* didn't look right.) Nothing like some juvenile peer pressure to get the ball rolling! -Clay (Don't worry, I'm finishing the Sega Multigames first. And trying my new ESB idea...) From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Mar 13 12:16:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:16:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <199803132009.OAA08139@fermat.mayo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1mach v148) In-Reply-To: X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.1mach (Enhance 2.0b5) From: Ray Ghanbari Date: Fri, 13 Mar 98 14:10:24 -0600 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: Cinematronics multigame? References: Organization: Mayo Foundation Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Ray Ghanbari You wrote: > Wasn't there someone here working on a Cinematronics Multigame? > > I seem to recall some discussion about patching the existing games to > use a single "multigame" control panel (and I think Joe was tinkering > with the sound stuff?) I was going to take a look at a Cinemat->Wells > Gardner monitor adapter based on the stuff Al found... > > Anyone working on this? Just curious since I have a (mostly) working > Cinematronics platform now... (thanks, Bill!) I was thinking about this last night. Now that I have a Space Wars, I have a control panel config that will deal with nearly all the cnma games (everything except Tail Gunner and Speed Freak, right?). May I respectfully suggest Space Wars as the "standard" for the multigame? ;-) Ray From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Mar 13 12:30:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:30:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Message-Id: <199803132021.OAA08697@fermat.mayo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1mach v148) In-Reply-To: X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.1mach (Enhance 2.0b5) From: Ray Ghanbari Date: Fri, 13 Mar 98 14:22:30 -0600 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: Cinematronics multigame? References: Organization: Mayo Foundation Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: Ray Ghanbari You wrote: > Sean Riddle was working on a universal control panel (and was Paul or > Zonn looking into patches?), but I don't think Sean got far. I've > always been interested in a universal control panel. I'm looking taking > all the "button games from Cinematronics" and using an EPROM approach to > translate the buttons to a Rip Off control panel (where I'll need to rig > something for the Space Wars selection pad). Wasn't the suggestion to hack the ROMs, like Clay did with the Sega games? Would eliminate the need for a seperate switching system between the control panel and the cpu board. A couple years ago, this was deemed impractical for the Williams hardware. Not sure if the cnma hardware uses a lot of redirection when polling inputs. Presumably, the emulators ought to be big help here... Ray From spies.com!owner-vectorlist Fri Mar 13 12:46:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by goonsquad.spies.com via sendmail with stdio id for vectorlist-outgoing; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:46:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #5 built 1996-Dec-13) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:44:02 GMT X-Sender: jeffh (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vectorlist From: jeffh (Jeff Hendrix) Subject: Re: Cinematronics multigame? Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist CC: jeffh (Jeff Hendrix) It would be cool to have space wars as the "standard" for the multigame, except for the fact that a space wars cabinet is HUGE and hard to come by. (I don't think I will ever be able to get my space wars game into my basement, or even in the house for that matter) Probably the most common cinematronics game out there is star castle. With a control panel swap with ripoff or armor attack, or build your own, you could have a nice starting place for a multi game. How hard would it be to add an analog joystick to the middle of the panel. You have to have tail gunner to have a real multigame. Also, anybody up for tweaking the code in Armor Attack to draw the barriers, so we don't HAVE to have the overlay to play. -jeff >You wrote: >> Wasn't there someone here working on a Cinematronics Multigame? >> >> I seem to recall some discussion about patching the existing games to >> use a single "multigame" control panel (and I think Joe was tinkering >> with the sound stuff?) I was going to take a look at a Cinemat->Wells >> Gardner monitor adapter based on the stuff Al found... >> >> Anyone working on this? Just curious since I have a (mostly) working >> Cinematronics platform now... (thanks, Bill!) > >I was thinking about this last night.