From henson .net Mon Mar 1 02:11:48 1999 Received: from mendota.terracom.net ([208.170.71.129]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id CAA04101 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 02:11:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from ALANMCCO (3C20.terracom.net [208.170.71.20]) by mendota.terracom.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA24010; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 02:12:20 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 02:12:20 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199903010812.CAA24010 .net> X-Sender: henson .net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Alan McCormick Subject: Cine sound questions Cc: gonzothegreat Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Here's a question I'd like to throw out to the Cinematronics gurus (Paul/Kurt, Zonn, etc) I'm using a modified version of Retrocade to "test" some Cine sound boards since I don't have a working Cine setup. It pumps the output of the sound port to the parallel port. The interface looks like this... Parallel port data00-->Cine sound data0 Parallel port data01-->Cine sound data1 Parallel port data02-->Cine sound data2 Parallel port data03-->Cine sound data3 Parallel port data04-->Cine sound data4 Parallel port data07-->Cine sound data7 I do have a noninverting buffer to isolate the soundboard from my parallel port just in case something goes funky on the soundboard side. My first question: The game boards I have only use sound data lines 0,1,2,3,4 & 7. Do any of the other Cine vector games have a different layout? Why did they skip bits 5 & 6? Secondly, I was told by another collector that WOTW used a slightly modified sound board from another game. What was the game and what was the mod? I plan on taping & digitizing the sounds for use in Retrocade but I'm sure they would be of use to the Cine hackers in developing the fabled "universal sound board". Once I'm done with this, I need to scan an article I found in an old Science 81 magazine called "Shootout at the Arcade" or something like that. It follows the development of Star Castle and Black Knight. There is one really interesting photo of a Cine dev platform with a manual for UCSD Pascal in plain view. The pinball stuff is neat too with pics of a whitewood BK running on William's pin dev platform. I'm sending this from another account since I'm pretty sure mail from Juno gets "lost" fairly often. Gee, mail that has a "faked" Juno address - must be spam...plunk goes the spam into the bit bucket... Thanks for any pointers Virtu-Al From zonn Mon Mar 1 02:35:21 1999 Received: from neko.cts.com (neko.cts.com [209.68.192.150]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id CAA05028 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 02:35:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from psc13221062.cts.com (psc13221062.cts.com [204.216.221.62]) by neko.cts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA16521 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:34:54 -0800 (PST) From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Cine sound questions Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 08:35:29 GMT Message-ID: <36dc4d39.9923616 > References: <199903010812.CAA24010 .net> In-Reply-To: <199903010812.CAA24010 .net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id CAA05029 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Mon, 1 Mar 1999 02:12:20 -0600 (CST), Alan McCormick wrote: >Here's a question I'd like to throw out to the Cinematronics gurus >(Paul/Kurt, Zonn, etc) > >I'm using a modified version of Retrocade to "test" some Cine sound boards >since I don't have a working Cine setup. It pumps the output of the sound >port to the parallel port. > >The interface looks like this... > >Parallel port data00-->Cine sound data0 >Parallel port data01-->Cine sound data1 >Parallel port data02-->Cine sound data2 >Parallel port data03-->Cine sound data3 >Parallel port data04-->Cine sound data4 >Parallel port data07-->Cine sound data7 > >I do have a noninverting buffer to isolate the soundboard from my parallel >port just in case something goes funky on the soundboard side. I have a very similar cable, but left off the buffer. (I like to live on the edge!) >My first question: The game boards I have only use sound data lines >0,1,2,3,4 & 7. Do any of the other Cine vector games have a different >layout? All sound boards use this same layout, since all games use the same CPU. There are some major differences in how these output are used though. Many of the boards extended the number of outputs by attaching a shift register to a couple of the I/O lines. >Why did they skip bits 5 & 6? Bit 5 is used to reset the coin counter's R/S flip flop, and bit six is used as either the High/Low intensity bit, or the Strobe in grayscale/color bit, depending upon the monitor. >Secondly, I was told by another collector that WOTW used a slightly modified >sound board from another game. What was the game and what was the mod? The game was StarCastle and the full PCB cut & jumper mod to create a WOTW sound card can be found at: http://www.zonn.com/Cinematronics/project1.htm (The most stagnant web page on the net!) This is based on the board in my WOTW, I haven't reversed engineered what this does to the schematic though... >I plan on taping & digitizing the sounds for use in Retrocade but I'm sure >they would be of use to the Cine hackers in developing the fabled "universal >sound board". Cool! >Once I'm done with this, I need to scan an article I found in an old Science >81 magazine called "Shootout at the Arcade" or something like that. It >follows the development of Star Castle and Black Knight. There is one really >interesting photo of a Cine dev platform with a manual for UCSD Pascal in >plain view. The pinball stuff is neat too with pics of a whitewood BK >running on William's pin dev platform. I'd be real interested in this! -Zonn From Todd.Miller Mon Mar 1 10:56:30 1999 Received: from ronweb.com (www.ronweb.com [199.244.165.220]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id KAA14622 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:56:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from gateway.ronweb.com ([10.1.10.202]) by gateway.ronweb.com with ESMTP id <40327>; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:41:37 -0500 Received: by CTHQ1E01 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:50:25 -0500 Message-ID: <2FD99C4CD318D111BE0300A0C981D39CAB51BB@CTHQ1E01> From: Todd Miller To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Go8 Heater issues Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:50:22 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id KAA14651 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I have noticed a similar problem in my Space Fury, It's more like expanding as it doesn't do it all the time. During normal game play the display is fine. It's most noticeable when the screen is blank, then when a image is displayed, it expands outward into place, from the center in all directions (maybe ½ inch of 'growth') it doesn't expand beyond the screen boundaries like most HV problems cause. It's dependent on what is displayed, I don't notice it in Space Fury, but when I play Eliminator, it's noticeable (I think it's because of the three line boarder around the play field) Anyone have an idea ? One of these days I'll crack down and buy a HV probe, maybe this would help to diag these HV probs. Todd Miller, LAN Analyst Ron Weber and Associates 103 E. State Street, Mason City, IA 50401 (515)423-4293/(515)423-4594 FAX http://www.telethinking.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark E Davidson [SMTP:Burbs1@concentric.net] Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 8:05 PM To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Go8 Heater issues My Go8 in my Star Trek is freeking out upon power up. I know the voltage heater for the tube comes out of the HV unit But what this set is doing is going bright and dim and the picture is shrinking and expanding as the machine runs. The reason for all this is because the heater voltage is changing. You can actually see the filaments change from hot to cooler as the monitor runs and there is also changes in the typical high voltage sound that all monitors make. Where do I start in a repair? Ideas? From matt Mon Mar 1 11:59:58 1999 Received: from admin.veriosc.com (admin.veriosc.com [192.215.246.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id LAA22930 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:59:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by admin.veriosc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01471 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:00:22 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.veriosc.com: matt owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:00:21 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California X-Sender: matt@admin To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Go8 Heater issues In-Reply-To: <2FD99C4CD318D111BE0300A0C981D39CAB51BB@CTHQ1E01> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id LAA22934 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Does anyone know what voltage you should be reading on pin 7 of the yoke? I'm getting about 170v, which I suspect is too high. The main problem I'm having is the brightness is a little too high and the picture is too big. I have the x and y size and the brightness turned all the way down. Just for testing purposes, I've adjusted the R933 POT and was able to reduce the picture slightly - so I'm suspecting there's a bad component somewhere along the brightness circuitry. Any advice would be cool. Matt _____________________________________________________________________ On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Todd Miller wrote: > I have noticed a similar problem in my Space Fury, > It's more like expanding as it doesn't do it all the time. > During normal game play the display is fine. It's most > noticeable when the screen is blank, then when a image > is displayed, it expands outward into place, from the > center in all directions (maybe ½ inch of 'growth') it > doesn't expand beyond the screen boundaries like most > HV problems cause. It's dependent on what is displayed, > I don't notice it in Space Fury, but when I play Eliminator, > it's noticeable (I think it's because of the three line boarder > around the play field) Anyone have an idea ? One of these > days I'll crack down and buy a HV probe, maybe this would > help to diag these HV probs. > > > Todd Miller, LAN Analyst > Ron Weber and Associates > 103 E. State Street, Mason City, IA 50401 > (515)423-4293/(515)423-4594 FAX > http://www.telethinking.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark E Davidson [SMTP:Burbs1@concentric.net] > Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 8:05 PM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: Go8 Heater issues > > My Go8 in my Star Trek is freeking out upon power up. > I know the voltage heater for the tube comes out of the HV unit > But what > this set is doing is going bright and dim and the picture is > shrinking and > expanding as the machine runs. The reason for all this is > because the > heater voltage is changing. You can actually see the filaments > change > from hot to cooler as the monitor runs and there is also changes > in the > typical high voltage sound that all monitors make. Where do I > start in a > > repair? Ideas? > > From computerspace Mon Mar 1 12:04:54 1999 Received: from hotmail.com (law-f100.hotmail.com [209.185.131.163]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id MAA24017 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:04:46 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 25467 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 1999 18:04:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19990301180411.25466.qmail > Received: from 207.12.83.85 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 10:04:11 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.12.83.85] From: "Tom Cloud" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Rare vector finds web page Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 10:04:11 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Very interesting...I talked with him as well. I pressed him pretty hard on it and then he determined it wasn't a Lunar Lander cocktail, but a Lunar Rescue cocktail. Needless to say, I was dissapointed :^P Interesting you thought you had bought it - had he verified it I would have certainly bought it. Wonder if it was a scam? Regards, Tom Cloud >Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:04:04 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Anderson >To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" >Subject: RE: Rare vector finds web page >Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > > >I supposedly bought a LL cocktail from some dude up in new england.. I >asked him like 5 times he was sure it was sure it was a LL cocktail and he >said it was.. If Atari did make one I doubt it would end up all the way >up there.. he was really pushing the envelope.. he said he had a ded MH >too. I was gonna drive up there and see them before I sent any money. >Naturally I never heard from him again. > >Jeff > > >On Sun, 28 Feb 1999, Clay Cowgill wrote: > >> Oh, here's one I almost forgot about-- the cocktail Battlezone. That's >> one that Travis Haagen and I found (with the Future Tank marquee). >> Chris Hanks has it now, I might take it for a while to do some repairs. >> If I do I'll shoot some pics... >> >> -Clay >> >> > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From MKDUD Mon Mar 1 12:24:05 1999 Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id MAA26634 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:24:02 -0600 (CST) From: MKDUD Received: from MKDUD by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id CABTa20553 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:00:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4093039b.36dac7a8 > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:00:24 EST To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rare vector finds web page Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In a message dated 2/28/99 7:36:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, mayday19@idt.net writes: << http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Cavern/3299/foto_f.jpg >> Whooaahh!! Check out that dude's pants!!! He must have borrowed them from Rodney Dangerfield... From aek Mon Mar 1 12:36:38 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id MAA28940 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:36:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (285 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:37:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:37:18 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Rare vector finds web page Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "Whooaahh!! Check out that dude's pants!!!" I am SO glad the 70's are over.... What were clothes designers thinkin' ? From jhendrix Mon Mar 1 12:44:46 1999 Received: from mailhost.quark.com ([206.195.78.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id MAA00347 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:44:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from denver.quark.com (denver.quark.com [206.195.71.192]) by mailhost.quark.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11978 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:44:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by denver.quark.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1ZSRYWPR>; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:42:40 -0700 Message-ID: <3D62AB6FFC80D211A84700104B10CB2C4B877E > From: jeff hendrix To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: PDF please? TM-146 and/or G05-801 Mono Manual Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:42:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Frank, If you send me your address, I'll send you a copy of a G05-801 manual. (just returning the favor of those that sent me copies for free) -jeff -----Original Message----- From: Frank Kannemann [mailto:frankk@fundy.net] Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 6:42 PM To: chris.loggans Cc: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: PDF please? TM-146 and/or G05-801 Mono Manual Hi, I checked the 3 places I could think of and no luck: http://www.gamearchive.com/video/manufacturer/atari/vector/monitors/ ftp://www.spies.com/arcade/ http://www.nwfl.net/haynesdl which I think moved to: ftp://ftp.stormaster.com/pub/RGVAC-Manuals/PDF-Arcade/ Any other good pdf places? I thought I was smart and bought a TM-151 but it only covers the G05-802/805 ;-( Thanks Frank From jhendrix Mon Mar 1 12:47:06 1999 Received: from mailhost.quark.com ([206.195.78.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id MAA00543 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:47:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from denver.quark.com (denver.quark.com [206.195.71.192]) by mailhost.quark.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12050 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:47:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by denver.quark.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1ZSRYWQG>; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:45:01 -0700 Message-ID: <3D62AB6FFC80D211A84700104B10CB2C4B877F > From: jeff hendrix To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Univid 1000 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:44:51 -0700 Sensitivity: Company-Confidential MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Here is a list of the harnesses and what boards they go to, I also might have a few harnesses for trade. UNIVID 1000 harness numbers Atari 101 Arabian 102 Centipede 103 Cloak & Dagger 104 Crystal Castle 105 Dig Dug 106 Food-Fight 107 I-Robot 108 Kangaroo 109 Liberator 110 Millipede 111 Pole Position 111 Pole Position II 112 Xevious Centuri 113 Gyruss 113 Hyper Sports 113 Loco Motion 114 Phoenix 114 Pleiades 115 Route 16 113 Time Pilot 113 Track & Field 116 Vanguard 113 Mikey Data East 117 Bump & Jump 118 Burgertime 119 Pro Golf 120 Tag Team 175 Karate Champ GDI 123 Red Alert 124 Slither 125 Thief Gottlieb 126 Krull 126 Mad Planet 126 Q-Bert Gremlin 127 Buck Rogers 128 Carnival 129 Champion Baseball 113 Frogger 130 Pengo 131 Super Zaxxon 131 Zaxxon Mylstar 126 Curve Ball 126 Three Stooges Nintendo 153 Donkey Kong 153 Donkey Kong III 153 Donkey Kong Jr. 153 H.B. Olympics 154 VS. Baseball 153 Mario Bros. 153 Popeye 155 Punch Out 154 VS. Tennis SNK 156 Marvins Maze 157 Mad Crusher 158 Vulgus Sega 129 Champion Baseball 131 Congo Bongo 113 Frogger Stern 113 Amidar 159 Bagman 160 Berzerk 160 Frenzy 113 Scramble 113 Strategy X 158 Super Bagman 113 Super Cobra 113 Tazzmania 113 Turtles 113 Tutankham Taito 161 Birdie King 162 Colony 7 163 Crazy Climber 164 Elevator Action 165 Exerion 164 Front Line 164 Jungle Hunt 164 Jungle King 166 Space Dungeon 166 Qix 164 Tin Star 164 Wild Western 166 Yo Yo 166 Zoo Keeper 172 10 Yard Fight Universal 167 Mr. Do 167 Mr. Do's Castle 167 Mr. Do's Wild Ride 167 Do Run Run 168 Nova 2001 Interlogic 113 Mega Zone 113 Rock-n-Rope Konami 113 Time Pilot 84 113 Super Basketball Bally/Midway 133 Blue Print 134 Bosconian 117 Bump & Jump 118 Burger Time 135 Discs of Tron 136 Domino Man 131 Future Spy 134 Galaga 137 Galaxian 134 Gaplus 139 Gorf 136 Journey 140 Jr. Pacman 141 Kick 141 Kickman 136 Kosmic Kroozer 142 Lazerian 134 Mappy 143 Flicky 143 Swat 143 Watermatch 143 Bullfight 143 Mr. Viking 140 Ms. Pacman 134 Pac-Land 140 Pacman 140 Pacman Plus 144 Rally X 136 Satans Hollow 136 Solor Fox 147 Spy Hunter 148 Super Pacman 146 Tapper 149 Tron 150 Two Tigers 143 Up & Down 136 Wacko 152 Wizard of War 145 Robby Roto 146 Rootbeer, Tapper 177 Bank Panic Williams 169 Bubbles 169 Defender 169 Joust 170 Mystic Marathon 171 Make Trax 172 Moon Patrol 169 Robotron 2084 173 Sinistar 169 Stargate 174 Aeroboto -----Original Message----- From: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu [mailto:owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of JOE.MAGIERA Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 10:46 AM To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Univid 1000 Sensitivity: Confidential I admit up front and apologize for straying a bit from being vector related. This is on the technical side though, so I'm hoping I have a better chance at a response here. I tried RGVAC first and got zero responses. Come on, all you techy guys don't totally limit yourself to vector stuff do you? I picked up a Univid 1000 test set (David Haynes had a picture of it up on his web site). The only harnesses I got were 113 and 140. I didn't get any documentation with it. -Does anyone have any other harnesses available for sale or trade? -Does anyone have any documentation available (either original or copy)? -Does anyone know what boards the harnesses I got will be good for? To minimize further disruption to this list, if you can help me at all on this one, please e-mail me directly. Thanks, Joe joe.magiera From wsharp Mon Mar 1 13:21:41 1999 Received: from ns-1.macromedia.com (ns-1.macromedia.com [207.88.220.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id NAA10826 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:21:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from ns-2.macromedia.com (ns-2.macromedia.com [207.88.156.10]) by ns-1.macromedia.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17942 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:21:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from wsharp-pc ([192.168.22.233]) by ns-2.macromedia.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA01072 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:21:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990301112304.00b01614 > X-Sender: wsharp X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 11:23:05 -0800 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Werner Sharp Subject: Is this what a dead WG flyback looks like? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN http://home.pacbell.net/sharp/arcade/flyback1.jpg http://home.pacbell.net/sharp/arcade/flyback2.jpg http://home.pacbell.net/sharp/arcade/flyback3.jpg The second picture's red arrow is pointing to a mass of hard black goop (also shown in #3). Either someone tried to repair it and patched it, or the plastic casing melted there. I'm assuming it's dead. Does anyone have a spare high voltage cage or flyback for sale or trade? I have some parts (Atari, Sega XY, Williams) for trade. Thanks. Werner Sharp wsharp From a-dashoe Mon Mar 1 13:48:23 1999 Received: from mail2.microsoft.com (mail2.microsoft.com [131.107.3.124]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id NAA18019 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:48:12 -0600 (CST) Received: by mail2.microsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:47:36 -0800 Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D0DE01F02@RED-MSG-59> From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Is this what a dead WG flyback looks like? Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:47:34 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Its dead Jim. Sorry no spares at this time. David > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > [mailto:owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu]On Behalf Of Werner > Sharp > Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 11:23 AM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: Is this what a dead WG flyback looks like? > > > http://home.pacbell.net/sharp/arcade/flyback1.jpg > http://home.pacbell.net/sharp/arcade/flyback2.jpg > http://home.pacbell.net/sharp/arcade/flyback3.jpg > > The second picture's red arrow is pointing to a mass of hard > black goop > (also shown in #3). Either someone tried to repair it and > patched it, or > the plastic casing melted there. I'm assuming it's dead. > > Does anyone have a spare high voltage cage or flyback for > sale or trade? I > have some parts (Atari, Sega XY, Williams) for trade. Thanks. > > Werner Sharp > wsharp > From mayday19@idt.net Mon Mar 1 13:59:01 1999 Received: from u2.farm.idt.net (mayday19@u2.farm.idt.net [169.132.8.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id NAA19334 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:58:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mayday19@localhost) by u2.farm.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01643 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:58:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:58:57 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Anderson X-Sender: mayday19@u2.farm.idt.net To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Rare vector finds web page In-Reply-To: <19990301180411.25466.qmail > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Tom Cloud wrote: > Very interesting...I talked with him as well. I pressed him pretty > hard on it and then he determined it wasn't a Lunar Lander cocktail, > but a Lunar Rescue cocktail. Needless to say, I was dissapointed :^P > > Interesting you thought you had bought it - had he verified it I would > have certainly bought it. Wonder if it was a scam? Yeah it was a scam.. I figured it was it a little too good to be true getting both for about $1k! I just sent him a few mails asking where he was so I could drive up and see them since I was in NJ at the time.. He probably got a few other people on that one as well.. I hope nobody sent him any money. Jeff From mayday19@idt.net Mon Mar 1 14:02:55 1999 Received: from u2.farm.idt.net (mayday19@u2.farm.idt.net [169.132.8.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id OAA20142 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:02:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mayday19@localhost) by u2.farm.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA03570 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:02:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:02:51 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Anderson X-Sender: mayday19@u2.farm.idt.net To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Rare vector finds web page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Al Kossow wrote: > "Whooaahh!! Check out that dude's pants!!!" > > I am SO glad the 70's are over.... > What were clothes designers thinkin' ? You should see the Goal 4 flyer its about as bad. Atari had some pretty classy flyers.. From downin@smarty.smart.net Mon Mar 1 14:03:15 1999 Received: from smarty.smart.net (smarty.smart.net [206.27.242.102]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id OAA20198 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:03:08 -0600 (CST) Received: (from downin@localhost) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA31443 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:02:56 -0500 From: Dave Downin Message-Id: <199903012002.PAA31443@smarty.smart.net> Subject: Re: Is this what a dead WG flyback looks like? To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:02:55 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990301112304.00b01614 > from "Werner Sharp" at Mar 1, 99 11:23:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Looks dead to me...actually, it looks like someone installed a Zanen cap kit in it and also installed the HV potentiometer...I would bet that that whoever did it forgot to set the pot to it's center position and when they hooked it back up the thing blew... Generally a hard and expensive lesson to learn, but chances are it won't be repeated! Gregg Woodcock told me he had some full cages that he was selling (I just sent him a check for one). His e-mail address is: woodcock -- Dave Downin (dave@arlo.net) ============================================================================= "Sorry, the world is nuts. It can't be helped" - Arlo Guthrie ArloNet - http://www.arlo.net/ ============================================================================= Any commercial e-mail sent to any of the above accounts will be automatically rejected and subject to a $500 processing fee. From MKDUD Mon Mar 1 14:09:48 1999 Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id OAA21450 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:09:47 -0600 (CST) From: MKDUD Received: from MKDUD by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 7HIVa04317 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:08:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:08:27 EST To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rare vector finds web page Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In a message dated 3/1/99 1:46:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, aek writes: << I am SO glad the 70's are over.... What were clothes designers thinkin' ? >> They were on acid...they couldn't think. Sorry if this is off topic, but look at the S%*# that the teenie boppers are wearing now! (They have no identity, so they're copying the hippie crap...) I've got some pictures from an old VG magazine showing Nolan, Joe Keenan, and Al Alcorn all decked out in plad specials... From MKDUD Mon Mar 1 14:16:33 1999 Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id OAA22786 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:16:32 -0600 (CST) From: MKDUD Received: from MKDUD by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 1ULSa03538 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:12:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9382f4a8.36daf4c5 > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:12:53 EST To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Is this what a dead WG flyback looks like? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In a message dated 3/1/99 2:53:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, a- dashoe writes: << Its dead Jim. >> She done throwed a rod! You might want to try Aubrey @ Zannen Electronics. I bought a NOS one from him about a year and a half ago, I think it was $65. Very reasonable... From rlboots@cedar-rapids.net Mon Mar 1 14:17:19 1999 Received: from CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id OAA22899 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:17:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from cedar-rapids.net ([209.181.207.205]) by CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET with ESMTP (IPAD 2.08/64) id 6702800 ; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 14:13:40 -0600 Message-ID: <36DAF5AC.F864E076@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 14:16:44 -0600 From: Rodger Boots Organization: Rodger Boots for President X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Rare vector finds web page References: <4093039b.36dac7a8 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Wow! Photos printed using text! And it can actually store 2 photos. That must have used a massive, oh, say 4K of RAM to pull off that trick? That's one machine that won't be coming back into popularity! (By the way, those pants somehow seem right with mutton chop sideburns). MKDUD wrote: > In a message dated 2/28/99 7:36:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, mayday19@idt.net > writes: > > << http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Cavern/3299/foto_f.jpg >> > > Whooaahh!! Check out that dude's pants!!! He must have borrowed them from > Rodney Dangerfield... From wsharp Mon Mar 1 14:18:10 1999 Received: from ns-1.macromedia.com (ns-1.macromedia.com [207.88.220.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id OAA23135 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:18:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from ns-2.macromedia.com (ns-2.macromedia.com [207.88.156.10]) by ns-1.macromedia.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28687 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:18:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from wsharp-pc ([192.168.22.233]) by ns-2.macromedia.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA14562 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:18:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990301121939.03091dc8 > X-Sender: wsharp X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 12:19:41 -0800 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Werner Sharp Subject: Re: Is this what a dead WG flyback looks like? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Yeah, stupid me installed the cap kit then noticed this big black messy crap on the side of the metal cage. Expletives were yelled at realizing my $100 as-is WG monitor was DOA. Never got around to adjusting the pot obviously. Thanks for the pointer to Gregg. -Werner At 03:02 PM 3/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >Looks dead to me...actually, it looks like someone installed a Zanen cap kit >in it and also installed the HV potentiometer...I would bet that that whoever >did it forgot to set the pot to it's center position and when they hooked it >back up the thing blew... Generally a hard and expensive lesson to learn, but >chances are it won't be repeated! > >Gregg Woodcock told me he had some full cages that he was selling (I just sent >him a check for one). His e-mail address is: woodcock > >-- >Dave Downin (dave@arlo.net) >============================================================================= > "Sorry, the world is nuts. It can't be helped" - Arlo Guthrie > ArloNet - http://www.arlo.net/ >============================================================================= >Any commercial e-mail sent to any of the above accounts will be automatically >rejected and subject to a $500 processing fee. > > > From Thomas43 Mon Mar 1 14:21:20 1999 Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id OAA23693 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:21:18 -0600 (CST) From: Thomas43 Received: from Thomas43 by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id ORMSa05340 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:20:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:20:35 EST To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: G08 questions? Flamproof Resistors and Fuse values? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 52 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I just picked up a Space Fury coctail with a dead monitor. I tested th deflection transistors and found one dead. After replacing it, the monitor came up, but the top half of the screen is collapsed down into a line in the middle of the screen. I searched Deja News and found a post about resistor 736 burning up. So, I located the resistor on the bottom of the main board and replaced it. I fired up the monitor, and it looked great for about 2 minutes, then the resistor burned up again. The post I found, suggests replacing an MPSU10 that is right near this resistor. First, does anyone know a modern replacement for MPSU10? And......Would replacing the resistors with Flame-proof models, keep the board from getting torched when it fails again? Also, the manual calls for 3 amp fuses, and the board is labeled to use 4 amp fuses. Would putting in the lower value or even a 2 amp help protect the monitor from fires, or are the fuses just there for looks? I would have expected them to blow when I had shorted transistors? Are the resistor hacks on this monitor, designed to act like fuses? Another note of stupidity on my part. The screen was a little off center, so I turned the centering pot. I guess I went in the wrong direction. Instantly I saw a bright light and flames start to come up from one of the input protection boards. I hit the power switch in less than a second, but the resistor had basically disappeared. Spinal Tap style!!! All that was left were the two wires where it was soldered to the board....and of course a nice charcol stain on the board. It shorted two deflection transistors , but didnt hurt anything else. I just replace the resistor and the two transistors and it started working again....Lesson learned!!! P.S. If anyone has an Eliminator Security chip, I would glady buy or trade for it. Scott From matt Mon Mar 1 15:13:54 1999 Received: from admin.veriosc.com (admin.veriosc.com [192.215.246.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id PAA03818 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:13:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by admin.veriosc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11538 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:14:18 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.veriosc.com: matt owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:14:18 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California X-Sender: matt@admin To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: G08 questions? Flamproof Resistors and Fuse values? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN This problem is so common that I wonder if Sega just shipped their Space fury cocktails this way. First off - I'd check *all* of the transistors on the "Y" side - particularly Q601-606. Q605 and 606 are located on the vertically mounted PCBs. The first Space Fury coctail I worked on had a bad solder joint underneath the "Y" vertical mounted PCB - which caused one of the Q601-Q604 transistors to burn out and leave the bottom portion blanked out. If one of those transistors burns out - it will probably burn out another component. I replaced the MPSu10 with some NTE equivalents and it's been pretty solid ever since. I don't remember the part numbers though (I think NTE290 or 171). They're a couple bucks a piece (of course) so you might want to find some higher rated ones that are more available and cheaper. The one thing I would *definitely* do is check the solder joints and even reflow some solder over any joint that looks suspicious. These monitors look more like high-school projects than something a company would mass-produce. Matt V E R I O Orange County . Los Angeles . San Diego _____________________________________________________________________ Matthew J. Rossiter email: mrossiter@verio.net Customer Services Engineer http://socal.verio.net 8001 Irvine Center Drive Phone: 800.273.5600 Suite 1200 Phone: 949.450.8400 Irvine, CA 92618-2934 Fax: 949.450.8410 24 hour Tech Support: 888.306.4638 _____________________________________________________________________ On Mon, 1 Mar 1999 Thomas43 wrote: > I just picked up a Space Fury coctail with a dead monitor. I tested th > deflection transistors and found one dead. After replacing it, the monitor > came up, but the top half of the screen is collapsed down into a line in the > middle of the screen. > > I searched Deja News and found a post about resistor 736 burning up. So, I > located the resistor on the bottom of the main board and replaced it. I fired > up the monitor, and it looked great for about 2 minutes, then the resistor > burned up again. The post I found, suggests replacing an MPSU10 that is right > near this resistor. First, does anyone know a modern replacement for MPSU10? > And......Would replacing the resistors with Flame-proof models, keep the board > from getting torched when it fails again? > > Also, the manual calls for 3 amp fuses, and the board is labeled to use 4 amp > fuses. Would putting in the lower value or even a 2 amp help protect the > monitor from fires, or are the fuses just there for looks? I would have > expected them to blow when I had shorted transistors? Are the resistor hacks > on this monitor, designed to act like fuses? > > Another note of stupidity on my part. The screen was a little off center, so > I turned the centering pot. I guess I went in the wrong direction. Instantly > I saw a bright light and flames start to come up from one of the input > protection boards. I hit the power switch in less than a second, but the > resistor had basically disappeared. Spinal Tap style!!! All that was left > were the two wires where it was soldered to the board....and of course a nice > charcol stain on the board. It shorted two deflection transistors , but didnt > hurt anything else. I just replace the resistor and the two transistors and > it started working again....Lesson learned!!! > > P.S. If anyone has an Eliminator Security chip, I would glady buy or trade > for it. > > Scott > > From jrr Mon Mar 1 17:36:06 1999 Received: from mail1.bctel.ca (nfs1.bctel.ca [207.194.28.66]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id RAA09094 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:36:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from flippers.com (nvcr01m01-62.bctel.ca [207.194.20.62]) by mail1.bctel.ca with ESMTP id PAA16116 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:36:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36DB2436.56453572 > Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 15:35:18 -0800 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Is this what a dead WG flyback looks like? References: <3.0.32.19990301112304.00b01614 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Oh, you let the smoke out! Now it's dead... Try my hack if you are brave... http://www.flippers.com/vid-tips.html John :-#)# Werner Sharp wrote: > > http://home.pacbell.net/sharp/arcade/flyback1.jpg > http://home.pacbell.net/sharp/arcade/flyback2.jpg > http://home.pacbell.net/sharp/arcade/flyback3.jpg > > The second picture's red arrow is pointing to a mass of hard black goop > (also shown in #3). Either someone tried to repair it and patched it, or > the plastic casing melted there. I'm assuming it's dead. > > Does anyone have a spare high voltage cage or flyback for sale or trade? I > have some parts (Atari, Sega XY, Williams) for trade. Thanks. > > Werner Sharp > wsharp -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From zonn Mon Mar 1 18:02:26 1999 Received: from usagi.cts.com (usagi.cts.com [209.68.192.66]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id SAA12341 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:02:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from psc0159146.cts.com (psc0159146.cts.com [204.216.159.146]) by usagi.cts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA26920 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:02:45 -0800 (PST) From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Rare vector finds web page Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 00:02:33 GMT Message-ID: <36df2886.8497513 > References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id SAA12345 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:08:27 EST, MKDUD wrote: >In a message dated 3/1/99 1:46:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, aek >writes: > ><< I am SO glad the 70's are over.... > What were clothes designers thinkin' ? > >> > >They were on acid...they couldn't think. >Sorry if this is off topic, but look at the S%*# that the teenie boppers are >wearing now! (They have no identity, so they're copying the hippie crap...) > >I've got some pictures from an old VG magazine showing Nolan, Joe Keenan, and >Al Alcorn all decked out in plad specials... Oh faaaar out man! Oh man, was I the only brother to wear a sky blue leisure suit to grad night, man? Come on man, couldn't you just dig the 4 inch wide lapels and 5 inch wide tie? Oh man, I mean it was really outta sight man! Man, like the song says "He ain't heavy, it's his tie!" Can you dig it man? Groovy. -Zonn From aek Mon Mar 1 18:09:16 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id SAA12743 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:09:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (274 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:09:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:09:58 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Rare vector finds web page Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "Can you dig it man?" ..I knew that you could --al (who had a white tie on for his HS graduation picture) From matt Mon Mar 1 18:26:24 1999 Received: from admin.veriosc.com (admin.veriosc.com [192.215.246.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id SAA15211 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:26:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by admin.veriosc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA23053 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:26:46 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.veriosc.com: matt owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:26:46 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California X-Sender: matt@admin To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Rare vector finds web page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Speaking of Space Fury and guys with Afros and Large Lapels. I always thought the commander sort of looked like a member of the Jackson 5. ...I'll refrain from further dumb comments. :) Matt V E R I O Orange County . Los Angeles . San Diego _____________________________________________________________________ Matthew J. Rossiter email: mrossiter@verio.net Customer Services Engineer http://socal.verio.net 8001 Irvine Center Drive Phone: 800.273.5600 Suite 1200 Phone: 949.450.8400 Irvine, CA 92618-2934 Fax: 949.450.8410 24 hour Tech Support: 888.306.4638 _____________________________________________________________________ On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Al Kossow wrote: > "Can you dig it man?" > > ..I knew that you could > > --al (who had a white tie on for his HS graduation picture) > > From aek Mon Mar 1 18:32:50 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id SAA16083 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:32:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (631 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:33:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:33:31 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Rex Nelson's Sega board set Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Rex just posted this on RGVAC. Is there someone nearby that can check this out? > I have a boardset that is similar to Eliminator, Zektor Space Fury, and Star > Trek however it is not any of these. > One of the boards says Battlestar on it. > I have looked on KLOV but it is not listed. > Has anyone ever heard of Battlestar or know what this boardset is? If it really is a Battlestar, I think there might be a couple of people interested in what it looks like :-) From jess Mon Mar 1 18:36:53 1999 Received: from roper.uwyo.edu (pmdf@roper.uwyo.edu [129.72.10.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id SAA16302 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:36:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from asuwlink.uwyo.edu (asuwlink.uwyo.edu [129.72.60.2]) by ROPER.UWYO.EDU (PMDF V5.2-32 #33749) with ESMTP id <0F7X00281Z1BKB@ROPER.UWYO.EDU> for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:36:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from glitter.uwyo.edu (ras8744.uwyo.edu [129.72.87.44]) by asuwlink.uwyo.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA03445 for ; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 17:36:46 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 17:37:10 -0700 From: Jess Askey Subject: Re: Rex Nelson's Sega board set To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-id: <36DB32B6.119B > MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Al Kossow wrote: > > Rex just posted this on RGVAC. Is there someone nearby that can > check this out? > > > I have a boardset that is similar to Eliminator, Zektor Space Fury, and Star > > Trek however it is not any of these. > > One of the boards says Battlestar on it. > > I have looked on KLOV but it is not listed. > > Has anyone ever heard of Battlestar or know what this boardset is? > > If it really is a Battlestar, I think there might be a couple of people > interested in what it looks like :-) Didn't one of the Converta games use a 'battlestar' sound board by default? I can't remember which one it was tho. I may be confusing this with the 'meatball' board. From aek Mon Mar 1 18:49:52 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id SAA17434 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:49:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (348 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:50:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:50:34 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Rex Nelson's Sega board set Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "Didn't one of the Converta games use a 'battlestar' sound board by default? I can't remember which one it was tho." I posted a reply to RGVAC saying I thought it was Space Fury.. From aek Mon Mar 1 19:11:06 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id TAA22153 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:11:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (489 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:11:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:11:47 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: reply from Rex Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "Have you ever heard of a game called Battlestar? I am checking part #'s. So I will get back to you. I bought a Space Fury and this boardset was in it and the Space Fury boardset was laying in the bottom of the cabinet. " I'll forward the message with the part numbers when he sends it, but it seems likeley it's a Space Fury board set. From aek Mon Mar 1 19:30:40 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id TAA24573 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:30:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (493 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:31:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:31:22 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: reply from Rex Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN here is his reply The PROMs #'s all match Space Fury except on the Speech Synthesis board which has the Space Fury Prom #'s and a Astro Blaster Prom # 808 with a 6 drawn over one of the 8's making it 806. There is no Reference to an 806. The board that says Battlestar on it is the Sound Assy 800-0241 I don't know anything beyond this. From chris Mon Mar 1 22:15:15 1999 Received: from westnet.com (chris [206.24.6.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id WAA19094 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:15:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by westnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA11172 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:15:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:15:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Rare vector finds web page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Al Kossow wrote: > "Can you dig it man?" > > ..I knew that you could > > --al (who had a white tie on for his HS graduation picture) Hmm -- I had different fashion sins in high school. Think "Miami Vice" . We learn. -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From matt Tue Mar 2 03:29:17 1999 Received: from admin.veriosc.com (admin.veriosc.com [192.215.246.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id DAA23347 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 03:29:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by admin.veriosc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA02672 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 01:29:43 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.veriosc.com: matt owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 01:29:43 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California X-Sender: matt@admin To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Looking for Kurz Kash test unit Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I was told that these might be slightly easier to find than the Cinematronics exorcisor and are a bit more versatile. I was also told that you need plug-in modules which might not be too hard to build if you can't find the right one. Could someone give me some more information on this and how I might be able to locate one? I'll probably just post a WTB on RGVAC and see what happens. - Or does anyone have one they'd like to sell? Thanks.... Matt From Brian@IUSMail.IUS.Indiana.EDU Tue Mar 2 08:24:19 1999 Received: from ntemail3.IUS.Indiana.Edu (ntemail3.ius.indiana.edu [149.160.30.164]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id IAA10673 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:24:18 -0600 (CST) Received: by ntemail3.ius.indiana.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:18:43 -0500 Message-ID: <836AEDC9D836D211B4720001FA7EC2D2133FF4@ntemail1.ius.indiana.edu> From: "Bowles, Brian" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:21:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN From mike_ranger Tue Mar 2 13:34:38 1999 Received: from firewall.dofasco.ca (firewall-user@firewall.dofasco.ca [192.139.152.130]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id NAA03897 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:34:36 -0600 (CST) From: mike_ranger Received: by firewall.dofasco.ca; id OAA23305; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from msxhub1.dofasco.ca(142.153.24.198) by firewall.dofasco.ca via smap (4.1) id xma023257; Tue, 2 Mar 99 14:34:54 -0500 Received: by MSXHUB1.dofasco.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:33:19 -0500 Message-ID: <171626CE171CD2118C640000F86326340287CC02@DFSPO04.dofasco.ca> To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Lunar Lander Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:33:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi all.. Well, trying to get motivated to working on some of my gathering vector projects. Pulled out my Lunar Lander board and asked myself "What am I going to do with this?". It looks complete, but I have no Cabinet for it, so I will try to work on it on the test bench. Let's see....schematics....can't find them on the net...(anyone?)....Okay, pinouts....36 vac...I've got a tempest transformer, a black widow harness, a spare wg 6101, and an audio reg 2...Can I get the required voltages? Probably, but can 22 volts suffice? Any suggestions on wiring it up on a test bench? No, I do not have any B/W vector stuff otherwise. Or Maybe it should just be relegated to the PCB pile. Mike From shag Tue Mar 2 13:58:41 1999 Received: from smtprtp.nortel.com (smtprtp.NortelNetworks.com [192.122.117.66]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id NAA07417 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:58:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from zrchb213.us.nortel.com (actually 47.100.128.42) by smtprtp.nortel.com; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:58:06 -0500 Received: by zrchb213.us.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:57:15 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Simon Whittam" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Lunar Lander Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:57:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orig: Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Mike, the pdf of lunar lander is here ... all 6.5Meg of it!!! http://www.basementarcade.com/arcade/library/manuals/ll.pdf SPW > -----Original Message----- > From: mike_ranger [SMTP:mike_ranger ] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 2:33 PM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: Lunar Lander > > Hi all.. > Well, trying to get motivated to working on some of my gathering > vector projects. Pulled out my Lunar Lander board and asked myself "What > am > I going to do with this?". > It looks complete, but I have no Cabinet for it, so I will try to > work on it on the test bench. Let's see....schematics....can't find them > on > the net...(anyone?)....Okay, pinouts....36 vac...I've got a tempest > transformer, a black widow harness, a spare wg 6101, and an audio reg > 2...Can I get the required voltages? Probably, but can 22 volts suffice? > > Any suggestions on wiring it up on a test bench? No, I do not have any > B/W > vector stuff otherwise. > > Or Maybe it should just be relegated to the PCB pile. > > Mike From mayday19@idt.net Tue Mar 2 14:02:02 1999 Received: from u1.farm.idt.net (mayday19@u1.farm.idt.net [169.132.8.10]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id OAA08103 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:02:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mayday19@localhost) by u1.farm.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23950 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:01:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:00:25 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Anderson X-Sender: mayday19@u1.farm.idt.net To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Looking for Kurz Kash test unit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN The KK is just a power supply, some knobs and buttons, and connectors. there isn't any circuitry inside it and if you just wanted to use the exercisor you probably dont even need the KK unit itself, you could just get the card and hook it up to a PS. The cards are still hard to find, but probably easier than a cine exerciser.. I have a KK with a couple hundred cards and it used to have 2 of the cine exercisers (309AC).. but naturally I am missing both of the 309C cards. I do have 2 309A cards though, but they are useless. the C card is where the exercisor board actually is, it plugs into the card edge connector where the board you are testing normally plugs in. The A card just maps the C connector's power pins to the exerciser (the A card doesnt have any components on it). Your best bet is to post to RGVAC. I did a few months back and the only response I got was from Dvegro, and he didn't have a 309C either. If you find 2 390Cs let me know :) Its the best unit you can have for testing B/W games, it wasn't made to support color or vector monitors or boards without card edge connectors so the test cards can get really wacky for those games.. the Star Trek and the Qix ones are really messy.. Jeff On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California wrote: > I was told that these might be slightly easier to find than the > Cinematronics exorcisor and are a bit more versatile. I was also told > that you need plug-in modules which might not be too hard to build if you > can't find the right one. > > Could someone give me some more information on this and how I might be > able to locate one? I'll probably just post a WTB on RGVAC and see what > happens. - Or does anyone have one they'd like to sell? > > > > Thanks.... > > > Matt > > From mike_ranger Tue Mar 2 14:04:47 1999 Received: from firewall.dofasco.ca (firewall-user@firewall.dofasco.ca [192.139.152.130]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id OAA08702 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:04:46 -0600 (CST) From: mike_ranger Received: by firewall.dofasco.ca; id PAA02133; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:05:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from msxhub1.dofasco.ca(142.153.24.198) by firewall.dofasco.ca via smap (4.1) id xma002061; Tue, 2 Mar 99 15:05:00 -0500 Received: by MSXHUB1.dofasco.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:03:25 -0500 Message-ID: <171626CE171CD2118C640000F86326340287CC03@DFSPO04.dofasco.ca> To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Lunar Lander Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:03:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Thanks Simon... I've got it but it has no schematics! Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Whittam [SMTP:shag ] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 2:57 PM > To: 'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu' > Subject: RE: Lunar Lander > > Mike, > > the pdf of lunar lander is here ... all 6.5Meg of it!!! > > http://www.basementarcade.com/arcade/library/manuals/ll.pdf > > SPW > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mike_ranger [SMTP:mike_ranger ] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 2:33 PM > > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > > Subject: Lunar Lander > > > > Hi all.. > > Well, trying to get motivated to working on some of my gathering > > vector projects. Pulled out my Lunar Lander board and asked myself > "What > > am > > I going to do with this?". > > It looks complete, but I have no Cabinet for it, so I will try to > > work on it on the test bench. Let's see....schematics....can't find > them > > on > > the net...(anyone?)....Okay, pinouts....36 vac...I've got a tempest > > transformer, a black widow harness, a spare wg 6101, and an audio reg > > 2...Can I get the required voltages? Probably, but can 22 volts > suffice? > > > > Any suggestions on wiring it up on a test bench? No, I do not have any > > B/W > > vector stuff otherwise. > > > > Or Maybe it should just be relegated to the PCB pile. > > > > Mike From aek Tue Mar 2 14:17:41 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id OAA11320 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:17:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (342 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:18:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:18:23 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Lunar Lander Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN ftp://www.spies.com/arcade/schematics/atari/LunarLander1B.tiff ftp://www.spies.com/arcade/schematics/atari/LunarLander2A.tiff ftp://www.spies.com/arcade/schematics/atari/LunarLander2B.tiff From mike_ranger Tue Mar 2 14:39:03 1999 Received: from firewall.dofasco.ca (firewall-user@firewall.dofasco.ca [192.139.152.130]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id OAA16352 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:39:00 -0600 (CST) From: mike_ranger Received: by firewall.dofasco.ca; id PAA10959; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:39:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from msxhub1.dofasco.ca(142.153.24.198) by firewall.dofasco.ca via smap (4.1) id xma010849; Tue, 2 Mar 99 15:38:44 -0500 Received: by MSXHUB1.dofasco.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:37:09 -0500 Message-ID: <171626CE171CD2118C640000F86326340287CC04@DFSPO04.dofasco.ca> To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Lunar Lander Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:37:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Thanks Al... I looked, did not see a link, but forgot to FTP in to take a look. Nice quality as usual, gotto return the favor one of these days! Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: aek ] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 3:18 PM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: Re: Lunar Lander > > ftp://www.spies.com/arcade/schematics/atari/LunarLander1B.tiff > ftp://www.spies.com/arcade/schematics/atari/LunarLander2A.tiff > ftp://www.spies.com/arcade/schematics/atari/LunarLander2B.tiff From aek Tue Mar 2 14:51:01 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id OAA19921 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:50:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (370 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:51:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:51:42 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Lunar Lander Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "I looked, did not see a link, but forgot to FTP in to take a look." I added the web page links. I'm pretty sure I re-scanned these, and was going to put up the new versions, but I must have them off line right now. From dougj@hwcn.org Tue Mar 2 15:07:31 1999 Received: from james.hwcn.org (IDENT:hgUCRrCWdL9Qci7i1wyoK0oe61JSwueq@james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id PAA21576 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:07:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (ae735@localhost) by james.hwcn.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA20606 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:07:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:07:06 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Jefferys To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Lunar Lander In-Reply-To: <171626CE171CD2118C640000F86326340287CC02@DFSPO04.dofasco.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 mike_ranger wrote: > > It looks complete, but I have no Cabinet for it, so I will try to > work on it on the test bench. Let's see....schematics....can't find them on > the net...(anyone?)....Okay, pinouts....36 vac...I've got a tempest > transformer, a black widow harness, a spare wg 6101, and an audio reg > 2...Can I get the required voltages? Probably, but can 22 volts suffice? One big catch -- I think the 22V on the Audio/Reg board is 22VDC, not AC! So it probably won't work, and it might do something nasty. I don't have the docs for the color vector power supply handy - is there a 36VAC output from that supply (or from elsewhere on the Audio/Reg II board) that Mike could use? One thing to keep in mind - if you can find 36VAC somewhere - wire it directly to the adaptor you use for the LL board, rather than into the wiring harness of the BW cabinet. The last thing you want is to discover that the "unused" connector on Black Widow that you used for 36VAC is used by some *other* game. (Space Duel comes to mind - SD's power and video outputs are the same, but the control inputs are different. Putting 36VAC on a control input will probably let the magic smoke out of many a chip :) Later, Doug. -- dougj | @ | hwcn.org | From ray Tue Mar 2 15:18:32 1999 Received: from tbone.agouron.com (tbone.agouron.com [198.182.177.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id PAA24137 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:18:29 -0600 (CST) Received: (from gproxy@localhost) by tbone.agouron.com (8.9.1a/8.8.7) id NAA10170 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:18:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns3.agouron.com(10.0.7.236) via SMTP by gauntlet.agouron.com, id smtpdAAAa002UG; Tue Mar 2 13:18:20 1999 Received: from agouron.com (ray.dhcp.agouron.com [10.0.6.192]) by dns3.agouron.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08315 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:18:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ray ) Message-ID: <36DC549E.909B96C8 > Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 13:14:06 -0800 From: Ray Ghanbari Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Organization: Agouron Pharmaceuticals Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Lunar Lander References: <171626CE171CD2118C640000F86326340287CC04@DFSPO04.dofasco.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN mike_ranger wrote: > > Thanks Al... > > I looked, did not see a link, but forgot to FTP in to take a look. > Nice quality as usual, gotto return the favor one of these days! Mike, you don't need 36VAC to test this on a bench. You need 5V and +-12V (can't remember if you need -5V) Just find the appropriate test points on the PCB on the other side of the voltage regulators. Cool game and fairly rare. The PCB is definitely worth saving... Ray From mike_ranger Tue Mar 2 15:22:19 1999 Received: from firewall.dofasco.ca (firewall-user@firewall.dofasco.ca [192.139.152.130]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id PAA25083 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:22:17 -0600 (CST) From: mike_ranger Received: by firewall.dofasco.ca; id QAA22900; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from msxhub1.dofasco.ca(142.153.24.198) by firewall.dofasco.ca via smap (4.1) id xma022879; Tue, 2 Mar 99 16:22:42 -0500 Received: by MSXHUB1.dofasco.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:21:07 -0500 Message-ID: <171626CE171CD2118C640000F86326340287CC06@DFSPO04.dofasco.ca> To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Lunar Lander Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:21:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Thanks Doug... It looks like 36VAC is available from the xformer assembly (based on my copy of the BW pdf's.). notes well taken on the wiring, I do not however, have any plans of running the board on anything other than the test bench. I picked it up as an interesting artifact. Actually, an operator owed me for some parts I used to fix his Pac boards, and suddenly the his crap got real expensive so I paid dearly for this board. I was lucky to get anything! If anyone wanted to, they could probably talk me out of it. Otherwise, I'll tackle it as an interesting Bench project (first vector repair!). I just happen to have a spare Black widow harness to use on the bench. And I will take your advice on wiring the 36VAC in. Hey look, Ray's message just came in. Good point, I'll look into it. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Jefferys [SMTP:dougj@hwcn.org] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 4:07 PM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: Re: Lunar Lander > > On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 mike_ranger wrote: > > > > It looks complete, but I have no Cabinet for it, so I will try to > > work on it on the test bench. Let's see....schematics....can't find > them on > > the net...(anyone?)....Okay, pinouts....36 vac...I've got a tempest > > transformer, a black widow harness, a spare wg 6101, and an audio reg > > 2...Can I get the required voltages? Probably, but can 22 volts > suffice? > > One big catch -- I think the 22V on the Audio/Reg board is 22VDC, not AC! > So it probably won't work, and it might do something nasty. > > I don't have the docs for the color vector power supply handy - is > there a 36VAC output from that supply (or from elsewhere on the > Audio/Reg II board) that Mike could use? > > One thing to keep in mind - if you can find 36VAC somewhere - wire it > directly to the adaptor you use for the LL board, rather than into the > wiring harness of the BW cabinet. The last thing you want is to discover > that the "unused" connector on Black Widow that you used for 36VAC is used > by some *other* game. (Space Duel comes to mind - SD's power and video > outputs are the same, but the control inputs are different. Putting > 36VAC on a control input will probably let the magic smoke out of many > a chip :) > > Later, > Doug. > > -- > dougj | > @ | > hwcn.org | From jhendrix Tue Mar 2 17:16:04 1999 Received: from mailhost.quark.com ([206.195.78.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id RAA08846 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:16:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from denver.quark.com (denver.quark.com [206.195.71.192]) by mailhost.quark.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08209 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:16:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by denver.quark.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:13:55 -0700 Message-ID: <3D62AB6FFC80D211A84700104B10CB2C4B8789 > From: jeff hendrix To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Lunar Lander Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:13:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN The DACs take +- 15V DC, you might be able to use 12V, but you might not get a good picture. -----Original Message----- From: Ray Ghanbari [mailto:ray ] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 2:14 PM To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Lunar Lander mike_ranger wrote: > > Thanks Al... > > I looked, did not see a link, but forgot to FTP in to take a look. > Nice quality as usual, gotto return the favor one of these days! Mike, you don't need 36VAC to test this on a bench. You need 5V and +-12V (can't remember if you need -5V) Just find the appropriate test points on the PCB on the other side of the voltage regulators. Cool game and fairly rare. The PCB is definitely worth saving... Ray From ClayC Tue Mar 2 17:34:21 1999 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id RAA16642 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:34:19 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02588 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:34:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma002565; Tue, 2 Mar 99 15:33:44 -0800 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa22919; 2 Mar 99 15:33 PST Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:33:43 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Lunar Lander Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:33:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN The other thing is that you should be able to apply the +/- 22V DC to the 36V AC inputs. Look at the schematics and follow the diodes-- all they really want it something above +/-15 for the regulators in the DVG. So, you feed in the +/- 22V DC, it only forward biases one of the diodes in each half of the rectifier, but you still have about +/- 21V or so going into the regulators-- should be enough to still get a clear +/- 15V. I did this to run an Asteroids board off a Star Wars power supply for a while... You can also use +/- 12V, but your picture won't scale full-screen on a mono monitor. (Plenty good for testing on a scope though.) -Clay > ---------- > From: Ray Ghanbari[SMTP:ray ] > Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 1:14 PM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: Re: Lunar Lander > > mike_ranger wrote: > > > > Thanks Al... > > > > I looked, did not see a link, but forgot to FTP in to take a > look. > > Nice quality as usual, gotto return the favor one of these > days! > > > Mike, you don't need 36VAC to test this on a bench. You need 5V and > +-12V (can't remember if you need -5V) Just find the appropriate test > points on the PCB on the other side of the voltage regulators. > > Cool game and fairly rare. The PCB is definitely worth saving... > > Ray > > From chris.loggans Tue Mar 2 21:41:02 1999 Received: from delta1.DST-DOMAIN (jelms07.erols.com [209.122.20.151]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id VAA14581 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:41:01 -0600 (CST) Received: by jelms07.erols.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:40:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: Chris Loggans To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: Free Data Books and stuff Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:40:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN To San Francisco Area Vector-Listers: I recently came across a posting on a newsgroup that I thought someone might be interested in. A guy in the San Francisco area is looking to give away "... a complete set of Motorola data books, a bunch of Natsem, and miscellaneous... also have a lot of miscellaneous electronic components." I e-mailed the guy and he said that he wanted local pickup only. I also asked about the books and he said that most of his stuff is from the late 80's to early 90's. Unfortunately, being on the east coast kind of puts me out of the "local pickup only" category, but I thought that if anyone on the list was local to SF, they could drop the guy a message and check it out. Here is his email address: bjanis Good luck, -Chris From jrr Wed Mar 3 00:41:30 1999 Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com (imail [24.2.10.66]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id AAA00768 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:41:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from flippers.com ([24.113.14.85]) by mail.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with ESMTP id <19990303064122.GHZA11952.mail.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com > for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:41:22 -0800 Message-ID: <36DCD968.F9F1D54C > Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:40:40 -0800 From: John Robertson Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-AtHome0404 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Looking for Kurz Kash test unit References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Actually it does, sort-of, support colour monitors, it blends the RGB/Sync into a composite B&W. I too have some of these KK cards and I use the testor, quite handy I find... check my page http://www.flippers.com\kurzkasc.html for a listing. John :-#)# Jeff Anderson wrote: > > The KK is just a power supply, some knobs and buttons, and connectors. > there isn't any circuitry inside it and if you just wanted to use the > exercisor you probably dont even need the KK unit itself, you could just > get the card and hook it up to a PS. The cards are still hard to find, but > probably easier than a cine exerciser.. > > I have a KK with a couple hundred cards and it used to have 2 of the cine > exercisers (309AC).. but naturally I am missing both of the 309C cards. I > do have 2 309A cards though, but they are useless. the C card is where the > exercisor board actually is, it plugs into the card edge connector where > the board you are testing normally plugs in. The A card just maps the > C connector's power pins to the exerciser (the A card doesnt have any > components on it). Your best bet is to post to RGVAC. I did a few months > back and the only response I got was from Dvegro, and he didn't have a > 309C either. If you find 2 390Cs let me know :) > > Its the best unit you can have for > testing B/W games, it wasn't made to support color or vector monitors or > boards without card edge connectors so the test cards can get really wacky > for those games.. the Star Trek and the Qix ones are really messy.. > > Jeff > > On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California wrote: > > > I was told that these might be slightly easier to find than the > > Cinematronics exorcisor and are a bit more versatile. I was also told > > that you need plug-in modules which might not be too hard to build if you > > can't find the right one. > > > > Could someone give me some more information on this and how I might be > > able to locate one? I'll probably just post a WTB on RGVAC and see what > > happens. - Or does anyone have one they'd like to sell? > > > > > > > > Thanks.... > > > > > > Matt > > > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From Thomas43 Wed Mar 3 03:26:37 1999 Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id DAA17048 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 03:26:36 -0600 (CST) From: Thomas43 Received: from Thomas43 by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id oYWHa27986 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 04:25:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 04:25:56 EST To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Thanks for the help with Space Fury, anyone have cocktail artwork? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 52 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Thanks to everyone who sent suggestions on fixing my Space Fury. It ended up being a shorted diode. Works great, there is nothing like playing a real vector game, in it's original form. NOW, I have another problem. The cocktail I received was missing the artwork that goes under the glass. Does anyone have some Eliminator or Space Fury cocktail art that they would be willing to copy for me? (I'll pay for copies and labor) Is there a scan online somewhere? Finally, does anyone know where I can get dumps of the 2 Player *cocktail* Eliminator ROMS?......You can only play Space Fury for so long........... Thanks Again, Scott From matt Wed Mar 3 03:50:23 1999 Received: from admin.veriosc.com (admin.veriosc.com [192.215.246.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id DAA17577 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 03:50:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by admin.veriosc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA26466 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 01:50:50 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.veriosc.com: matt owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 01:50:50 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Rossiter - Verio Southern California X-Sender: matt@admin To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Thanks for the help with Space Fury, anyone have cocktail artwork? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Congrads on the Space Fury. I need to get the artwork too - and I know just the person to choke it out of. I'll try to get really good quality scans of the artwork and post it on my Lame website, but I think they ultimately belong on Game Archive. I'll let you know when I get those. Matt _____________________________________________________________________ On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 Thomas43 wrote: > Thanks to everyone who sent suggestions on fixing my Space Fury. It ended up > being a shorted diode. Works great, there is nothing like playing a real > vector game, in it's original form. > > NOW, I have another problem. The cocktail I received was missing the artwork > that goes under the glass. Does anyone have some Eliminator or Space Fury > cocktail art that they would be willing to copy for me? (I'll pay for copies > and labor) Is there a scan online somewhere? > > Finally, does anyone know where I can get dumps of the 2 Player *cocktail* > Eliminator ROMS?......You can only play Space Fury for so long........... > > Thanks Again, > > Scott > > From nicholasx.cook Wed Mar 3 10:21:26 1999 Received: from thalia.fm.intel.com (thalia.fm.intel.com [132.233.247.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id KAA20715 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:21:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from fmsmsx17.intel.com (fmsmsx17.fm.intel.com [132.233.58.209]) by thalia.fm.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 1998/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id QAA21689 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:21:24 GMT Received: by FMSMSX17 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:21:24 -0800 Message-ID: <4A043A1FE4B2D111AC3F00A0C96B513301EE4AC6 > From: "Cook, NicholasX" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: PAT 9000 Harnesses Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:21:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I am also looking for PAT 9000 harnesses. Thanks, Nick -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Mahan [mailto:kmahan ] Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 10:23 AM To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: PAT 9000 Harnesses Since we're talking about the univid, I might as well ask about the PAT 9000. I've got a working PAT 9000 (thanks john!) and have several harnesses, but.. Anybody have any PAT9000 harnesses they'd like to part with? I can use anything. Thanks! Kurt kmahan From oren.m.williams Wed Mar 3 15:55:39 1999 Received: from fw1.tek.com (fw1.tek.com [192.65.17.16]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id PAA12034 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:55:38 -0600 (CST) From: oren.m.williams Received: from fw1.tek.com (root@localhost) by fw1.tek.com with ESMTP id NAA06507 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:55:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from tektronix.tek.com (tektronix.tek.com [134.62.6.81]) by fw1.tek.com with ESMTP id NAA06503 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:55:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from us-wv-m01.wv.tek.com (us-wv-m01.wv.tek.com [134.62.3.28]) by tektronix.tek.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01518 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:55:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by us-wv-m01.wv.tek.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:55:40 -0800 Message-ID: <6B57A2A3212BD2119C2600805F6F141301DE2B6C > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: new battlezone owner Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:55:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Drew, Thanks again for your suggestions for fixing my Battlezone. I have one question. Should I worry about spraying freeze spray on the HV diode while the game is on, as you suggested? oren From ClayC Wed Mar 3 17:43:24 1999 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id RAA01210 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:43:22 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA21611 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:43:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma021605; Wed, 3 Mar 99 15:42:47 -0800 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa24130; 3 Mar 99 15:42 PST Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:42:46 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: AM6012 part number? Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:42:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Anyone know off the top of their head what the part number is for the AM6012 in DIP package like Atari used on vector games? (I think it's the AM6012DC, but I'm not sure.) I have a lead on a bunch at an OK price, but I want to be sure that I've got the right one before I wind up with a bunch of surface-mount stuff again. ;-) -Clay From shag Wed Mar 3 18:01:16 1999 Received: from smtprich.nortel.com (smtprich.nortel.com [192.135.215.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id SAA02528 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:01:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from zrchb213.us.nortel.com (actually 47.100.128.42) by smtprich.nortel.com; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:00:40 -0600 Received: by zrchb213.us.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:00:38 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Simon Whittam" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: AM6012 part number? Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:00:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain X-Orig: Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN AM6012PC 12-bit Digital to Analog Converter 137149-001 (acceptable substitute is part no. 137150-001 ???) From Tempest Manual. Is this the one??? SPW > -----Original Message----- > From: Clay Cowgill [SMTP:ClayC ] > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 6:43 PM > To: 'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu' > Subject: AM6012 part number? > > Anyone know off the top of their head what the part number is for the > AM6012 in DIP package like Atari used on vector games? > > (I think it's the AM6012DC, but I'm not sure.) > > I have a lead on a bunch at an OK price, but I want to be sure that I've > got the right one before I wind up with a bunch of surface-mount stuff > again. ;-) > > -Clay From aek Wed Mar 3 18:09:51 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id SAA03520 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:09:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (562 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:10:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:10:33 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: AM6012 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN amazing.. my 82 IC master has it AM6012ADM Ceramic -55 to +125 C +/- .012 linearity AM6012DM Ceramic "" .025 AM6012ADC Ceramic 0 to 70C .012 AM6012APC Plastic " .025 AM6012DC Ceramic " .025 AM6012PC Plastic " .025 foo..typo on the APC, but you get the idea I'll scan in the data sheet tonight, and put it up on the schematics page on spies. From aek Wed Mar 3 18:13:51 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id SAA04063 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:13:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (471 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:14:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:14:32 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: z80 pods at Naptech Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN they're out, and are checking around for them. bet they won't be $125 :-< didn't check on 6502 pods oh well.. maybe that price on eBay for it wasn't so bad after all. I wonder if it makes sense to set up a 'lending library' for the pods. I turned up another 9010A (no pods of course..) today at a surplus store. From ClayC Wed Mar 3 18:20:45 1999 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id SAA05055 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:20:44 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA22532 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:20:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma022524; Wed, 3 Mar 99 16:20:19 -0800 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa27040; 3 Mar 99 16:20 PST Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:20:18 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: AM6012 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:20:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Thanks... There's a "gotcha" in buying these-- the last ones I ordered were "AM6012D" which to me meant ceramic. But the manufacturer of these particular parts (I don't think they were AMD) used "D" to mean surface-mount, SOJ. Suprise! (That's why I did all those SOJ->DIP boards a while back. Those of you that bought the replacement AM6012's from me know of which I speak... ;-) Hmmm. I just found a better price, so I'll see what I get! -Clay > ---------- > From: aek ] > Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 4:10 PM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: AM6012 > > > amazing.. my 82 IC master has it > > AM6012ADM Ceramic -55 to +125 C +/- .012 linearity > AM6012DM Ceramic "" .025 > AM6012ADC Ceramic 0 to 70C .012 > AM6012APC Plastic " .025 > AM6012DC Ceramic " .025 > AM6012PC Plastic " .025 > > foo..typo on the APC, but you get the idea > > I'll scan in the data sheet tonight, and put it up on the schematics > page > on spies. > > From ClayC Wed Mar 3 19:05:39 1999 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id TAA09491 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:05:38 -0600 (CST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA23288 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma023284; Wed, 3 Mar 99 17:05:25 -0800 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa00213; 3 Mar 99 17:05 PST Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:05:24 -0800 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: AM6012 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:05:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > Thanks... There's a "gotcha" in buying these-- the last ones I > ordered > were "AM6012D" which to me meant ceramic. But the manufacturer of > these > particular parts (I don't think they were AMD) used "D" to mean > surface-mount, SOJ. Suprise! (That's why I did all those SOJ->DIP > boards a while back. Those of you that bought the replacement AM6012's > from me know of which I speak... ;-) > Heh... Yes, I'm following up to myself. I just bought the remainder of some stock from Marshall-- the AM6012D from Philips is indeed a surface mount package! I'm going to try to make an "all in one" vector DAC replacement board-- something tiny that will plug into either an AM6012 socket (Star Wars, BattleZone, Space Duel, etc.) or an AD561 socket (for Asteroids, Lunar Lander, Sega Vector games, etc.) As another "oh, by the way". I got some 74LS399's from JDR to fix one of my old Asteroids boards-- bought brand new from JDR they're 1979 date code chips! I have a feeling those were only done for a short while and any stock that's out there is probably "original". I had three dead ones on my Asteroids board... (most Asteroids boards seem to have the '157/'175 mux/latch replacement instead... -Clay From mayday19@idt.net Wed Mar 3 20:34:50 1999 Received: from u3.farm.idt.net (mayday19@u3.farm.idt.net [169.132.8.12]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id UAA17444 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:34:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mayday19@localhost) by u3.farm.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA06056 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:34:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:34:48 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Anderson X-Sender: mayday19@u3.farm.idt.net To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: z80 pods at Naptech In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Al Kossow wrote: > > they're out, and are checking around for them. > bet they won't be $125 :-< > > didn't check on 6502 pods I asked them a couple times and they've told me they're out.. I'm gonna bug them every couple weeks since they still list them on their site.. > oh well.. maybe that price on eBay for it wasn't so bad after all. > > I wonder if it makes sense to set up a 'lending library' for the > pods. I turned up another 9010A (no pods of course..) today at a surplus > store. I have another 9100A (4mb RAM) I picked up last week.. If anybody wants it let me know.. no probe or anything else but if you want to try making one I'll lend my stuff out. No manuals either but they will be available on spies sometime soon. Jeff From dfish Thu Mar 4 07:33:25 1999 Received: from firewall.etn.com (firewall.etn.com [151.110.127.15]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id HAA25668 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:33:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from [151.110.102.188] by firewall.etn.com via smtpd (for mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu [128.83.217.12]) with SMTP; 4 Mar 1999 13:33:17 UT Received: by PIONEER with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1HN7RZW7>; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:31:46 -0500 Message-ID: <0D5FADF85F25D1118F3300A02461FAC3F3E0DB@PIONEER> From: "Fish, David" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: z80 pods at Naptech Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:31:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Al and Jeff wrote: >> >> they're out, and are checking around for them. >> bet they won't be $125 :-< >> >> didn't check on 6502 pods I tried to buy a 6502 pod from them a while ago. When the tech tried to test the unit before they shipped it, there was a problem, they couldn't get the unit to work. They supposedly had two units that wouldn't work and offered them to me for $50 each, saying that the two could be combined to get one working unit. Hmmm, sounded like a sweet deal. The two pods showed up without the pod-to-9010A cables and without one 40-pin UUT cable. Ah well. *** Anybody have a spare pod-to-9010 cable they'd like to trade or sell? *** They DID locate a Z80 pod for me somewhere but the asking price was $250, a little different from the listed $125. I passed on it and got one another way. >I asked them a couple times and they've told me they're out.. I'm gonna >bug them every couple weeks since they still list them on their site.. > >> oh well.. maybe that price on eBay for it wasn't so bad after all. >> We've been 'hoist by our own petard' here. The prices on Ebay are a direct result of all the talk on this V*list about this equipment. I was able to snag a 9101 with a 68000 pod 3 weeks ago ONLY because it was in a strange category and nobody here saw it. Dave Fish | "We want...Information. INFORMATION Melrose, MA USA | You won't get it! dfish AT bev.etn.com (work) | By hook or by crook we will" fishd AT pop.tiac.net (/work) | _The Prisoner_ From cmoore Thu Mar 4 08:14:31 1999 Received: from heartlab.com (heartlab.com [209.113.195.248]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id IAA29345 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:14:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from milliways [209.113.195.217] by heartlab.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A5022B480142; Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:13:22 EDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990304141723.009737dc > X-Sender: cmoore X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:17:23 -0500 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: "Christopher V. Moore" Subject: RE: z80 pods at Naptech Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I called Naptech last week regarding the 6502 and z80 pods and they said they were out of stock. I had them do a search for me for both the 6502 and z80 pods last week. I called them yesterday and they said, yes they found them and they now have both the z80 and 6502 pods for the 9010A. However, they are now $495 each. I politely said that was too rich for me and hung up. -Chris -- Christopher V. Moore -- Principal Engineeer Heartlab, Inc. - 101 Airport Rd - Westerly, RI 02891 -- www.heartlab.com Phone: (401) 596-0592 x113 - Fax: (401) 596-8562 - Email: cmoore From bovine@eecs.umich.edu Thu Mar 4 08:50:53 1999 Received: from quip.eecs.umich.edu (quip.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.4.25]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id IAA03086 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:50:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (bovine@localhost) by quip.eecs.umich.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA19582 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:50:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:50:45 -0500 (EST) From: Mitchell Rohde To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Pod repros for the 9010? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19990304141723.009737dc > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN It sounds like there are quite a few people here that have this beast (I am not currently one of them -- but would like to be! :) ). The problem looks to be the pods. Has anyone taken a serious look at the pod schematics and assessed how hard they are to repro? Someone mentioned that there is a ROM in every one, which I assume contains something like an op-code table .... If there are enough people with these beasties, it certainly makes sense to look at this rather than getting ripped for $100-500 per processor pod... mitch From aek Thu Mar 4 10:23:29 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id KAA23638 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:23:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (340 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:24:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:24:11 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Pod repros for the 9010? Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I was thinking about repros on these pods now as well, since I'm pretty sure someone in the group now has one of every interesting or useful pod (other than maybe a 6800 pod) From davids@oz.net Thu Mar 4 12:05:45 1999 Received: from emerald.oz.net ([216.39.128.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id MAA07003 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:05:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from obie (sense-davids-57.oz.net [216.39.152.57]) by emerald.oz.net (8.9.1/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06291 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:59:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001501be666a$dab1bb40$399827d8@obie> From: "David Shoemaker" To: Subject: Re: Pod repros for the 9010? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:14:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I think I have a 6800 pod on the way with manual. Won't know for sure until it all arrives. David -----Original Message----- From: Al Kossow To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 8:26 AM Subject: Re: Pod repros for the 9010? >I was thinking about repros on these pods now as well, since I'm >pretty sure someone in the group now has one of every interesting >or useful pod (other than maybe a 6800 pod) > From mike_ranger Fri Mar 5 08:27:50 1999 Received: from firewall.dofasco.ca (firewall-user@firewall.dofasco.ca [192.139.152.130]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id IAA19768 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:27:48 -0600 (CST) From: mike_ranger Received: by firewall.dofasco.ca; id JAA28400; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from msxhub1.dofasco.ca(142.153.24.198) by firewall.dofasco.ca via smap (4.1) id xma028334; Fri, 5 Mar 99 09:28:02 -0500 Received: by MSXHUB1.dofasco.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:26:27 -0500 Message-ID: <171626CE171CD2118C640000F86326340287CC0C@DFSPO04.dofasco.ca> To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Lunar Lander Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:26:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Thanks for all your advice....I've got my plan together.... What I've done thus far... 1) Study the schematics 2) applied only +5 volts to the board, isolated DMAGO (vector state machine) 3) Saw a lovely watchdog bark! (woo hoo - signs of life!) 4) Pulled ROMS (version 2) and checksummed them : Rom B1 checks to B2A4 - Appears wrong. Rom F1 checks to 0000 - Language chip ? (where are the vectorlist archives when you need them!) All others check to the proper values. So, I will burn up a new B1 (2716) and go from there! F1 is the language chip right? (trying to remember Clays post of last week) Maybe I should burn me a new one of those to be sure. Mike From miranda Fri Mar 5 14:43:52 1999 Received: from mail.angel.com ([198.133.210.5]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id OAA08135 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:43:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:43:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Miranda K. Collins" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Wells Gardner B&W X-Y monitor Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I never was able to find anyone local who was interested in my B&W vector monitor, so I put it up on eBay. I am mentioning this here because if anyone on this list ends up with the high bid, there will be a $10 vectorlist discount. I have been getting e-mails asking things like if it will work in a Space Invaders, so I want to make sure it goes to some one who will actually use it. It's eBay item# 73543661 Thanks, Miranda From a-dashoe Fri Mar 5 16:25:18 1999 Received: from mail1.microsoft.com (mail1.microsoft.com [131.107.3.125]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id QAA20875 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:25:16 -0600 (CST) Received: by mail1.microsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) id ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:24:37 -0800 Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D0DE01F2F@RED-MSG-59> From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'Vectorlist'" Subject: Fluke Pods Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:24:29 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Ok, I have found a line on a couple of pods. I don't know much in the way of details yet but what would you all recommend as the pods best to get to cover most games (not just vector). Williams classics 6809? Quantum 68000 ? z80 Gotlieb ? Atari Vectors 6502? Etc. And I will be glad to pass the source along as soon as I figure out what I might want :) Thanks, David From fbowen Fri Mar 5 16:28:38 1999 Received: from balrelay.balt.checkfree.com ([207.196.74.140]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id QAA21169 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:28:35 -0600 (CST) Received: by balrelay.balt.checkfree.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525672B.007B97B7 ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:29:57 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CHECKFREE From: "Franklin Bowen" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-ID: <8525672B.007B96B3.00 > Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:30:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Fluke Pods Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Galaga, Dig Dug, Tron (a bunch of the MCR series I think) used the Z-80 "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" on 03/05/99 05:24:29 PM Please respond to vectorlist To: "'Vectorlist'" cc: (bcc: Franklin Bowen/MD/CheckFree) Subject: Fluke Pods Ok, I have found a line on a couple of pods. I don't know much in the way of details yet but what would you all recommend as the pods best to get to cover most games (not just vector). Williams classics 6809? Quantum 68000 ? z80 Gotlieb ? Atari Vectors 6502? Etc. And I will be glad to pass the source along as soon as I figure out what I might want :) Thanks, David From aek Fri Mar 5 16:43:26 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id QAA23483 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:43:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (369 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:44:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:44:09 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Fluke Pods Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN 6809 - Williams , Star Wars 6502 - Most Atari stuff (a few early ones had 6800's) 68000 - Quantum, Cosmic Chasm for vectors 8088 - QBert,Mad Planets, Reactor Z80 - Omega Race, most early 80's games that aren't 6502s From aek Mon Mar 8 00:41:49 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id AAA13169 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 00:41:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (406 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 22:42:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 22:42:29 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Cosmic Chasm trivia Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I was reading through an old issue of Replay (May, 1983) tonight and came upon this "Cinematronics: Cosmic Chasm - space chase game (licensed from GCE) upright only " guess that explains why it looks similar to Quantum hardware (also done by GCE) From zonn Mon Mar 8 01:17:59 1999 Received: from usagi.cts.com (usagi.cts.com [209.68.192.66]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id BAA19887 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 01:17:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from psc13221033.cts.com (psc13221033.cts.com [204.216.221.33]) by usagi.cts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA23738 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 23:17:59 -0800 (PST) From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Cosmic Chasm trivia Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 07:18:37 GMT Message-ID: <36e377ed.717790 > References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id BAA19890 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 22:42:29 -0800 (PST), aek (Al Kossow) wrote: > >I was reading through an old issue of Replay (May, 1983) tonight >and came upon this > >"Cinematronics: Cosmic Chasm - space chase game (licensed from GCE) > upright only " > >guess that explains why it looks similar to Quantum hardware (also >done by GCE) GCE (General Consumer Electronics, Inc) were the same people that made the Vectrex. They also made Quantum? After GCE spent so much time porting over Cinematronics games to the Vectrex, I guess Cinematronics decided to return the favor by porting Cosmic Chasm to a full size machine. I read somewhere (maybe my homepage? Who knows I haven't been there in years) that Cosmic Chasm was supposed to be the first Arcade to be ported from a home game. But I don't know if this is really true. It seems to me Barrier can be considered a port of Mattel Football (which was a great pocket game, but a real loser of an arcade game!) -Zonn From aek Mon Mar 8 01:36:43 1999 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with SMTP id BAA22910 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 01:36:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (387 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 23:37:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #18 built 1998-Oct-15) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 23:37:27 -0800 (PST) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Cosmic Chasm trivia Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "GCE (General Consumer Electronics, Inc) were the same people that made the Vectrex. They also made Quantum? " it's too late for me to be thinking straight. Quantum was done by General Computer Corp (GCC). GCE did the Vectrex From rlboots@cedar-rapids.net Mon Mar 8 02:16:53 1999 Received: from CEDAR-RAPIDS.NET (cedar-rapids.net [206.24.60.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.25) with ESMTP id CAA24389 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 02:16:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from cedar-rapids.net ([209.181.