From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 02:38:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA29039 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 02:37:59 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14811 for vectorlist-outgoing; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:29:47 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <390D243C.1B8560FB > Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 00:29:16 -0600 From: Jess Askey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Asteroids Deluxe Versions References: <3.0.3.32.20000430220612.006963d8 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO If anyone comes up with a definite set of different ROM's just let me know and forward them to me and I will put them up on the AD page. The orignal ROM revisions that I have on GA were from waaaayyyy back when the 'big' ROM archive was the 8 meg .tar.gz file in the UK about 6 years ago before this internet thing became very popular. Since there were two sets, I simply called them version 1 and 2. But, because I don't own an AD, they may 'not truly be what they are'. jess Jon Raiford wrote: > > I believe I have come across some mis-information on gamearchive. It says > that there were only two revisions of Asteroids Deluxe released. I looked > at the roms available on the net, and they seem to suggest the same thing. > The strange part is that the so called first revision has what appears to > be a rev 2 rom in it and the second revision has a rev 3. Looking at my > first revision AD, it has only rev 1 roms on it. I used romident to see if > the missing rev 1 rom was known and it wasn't. Do I have some pre-release > code? Or is it possible that its just gone unnoticed this whole time? > > Jon > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 07:56:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA16946 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 07:56:24 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15613 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 04:51:11 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <002b01bfb362$a7b224a0$0c01010a@daytrader2> From: "James Nelson" To: References: <4.2.1.20000430202307.00c7b450 > Subject: VECTOR: romident Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 07:44:48 -0400 Organization: eBay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Am I in the cold here? What's Romident? And where? And how? -J --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 09:02:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23986 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 09:02:08 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15810 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 05:53:36 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000501081107.00a95098 > X-Sender: us001378 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 08:55:39 -0400 To: vectorlist From: Jon Raiford Subject: Re: VECTOR: Asteroids Deluxe Versions In-Reply-To: <390D243C.1B8560FB > References: <3.0.3.32.20000430220612.006963d8 > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Well, as far as I can tell, there are three or four versions. The set I have is from the first version. All of the roms have a -01 printed on them and the pcb has something like -01 written on it by hand. I worked on a third revision board (-03 hand written on the pcb) a couple weeks ago and it had all -02 roms except for two. Location N/P2 had a -01 and location J1 had a -03. Heres where this all gets a little interesting.. There are a bunch of -02 roms, which would suggest that the rev 2 would have all -02 roms except for the -01 at N/P2. The set readily available on the net doesn't have this combination though. Instead, they have a set with all -01's w/ a -02 at J1. So is this a released set? Or have people been using a butchered set this whole time? Does anyone have an Asteroids Deluxe out there with -02 written on the pcb? What roms do you have? I am guessing that someone threw a -02 ROM on a first revision board just to make it work and it just happened to make it into the record books as the first revision. Assuming this is correct, I'll throw together a readme.txt describing the three versions I have described. Either way, it won't affect MAME or people fixing their boards since the roms themselves won't change. It will just depend on which roms are used. Jess: I'll send you the updated zip file to put online. Jon At 12:29 AM 5/1/2000 -0600, Jess Askey wrote: >If anyone comes up with a definite set of different ROM's just let me know and >forward them to me and I will put them up on the AD page. The orignal ROM >revisions that I have on GA were from waaaayyyy back when the 'big' ROM archive >was the 8 meg .tar.gz file in the UK about 6 years ago before this internet >thing became very popular. Since there were two sets, I simply called them >version 1 and 2. But, because I don't own an AD, they may 'not truly be what >they are'. > jess --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 10:54:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08055 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:54:02 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16162 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 07:46:57 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <390D98D5.6077C2B5 > Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 09:46:45 -0500 From: tom mcclintock Organization: MG Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: romident References: <4.2.1.20000430202307.00c7b450 > <002b01bfb362$a7b224a0$0c01010a@daytrader2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO James: Here's the page - http://www.system16.com/romident.htm tm James Nelson wrote: > > Am I in the cold here? > What's Romident? > And where? > And how? > > -J > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 11:02:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09428 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:01:59 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16185 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 07:56:17 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQadl1LDsWaOyHrcaDOMmJE1Y2eZwIVAJ6Y/Pns62pyAyebSCHqfaRRH0Zh From: MILSOM44@webtv.net (jason Milsom) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 07:55:39 -0700 (PDT) To: vectorlist Subject: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector Message-ID: <6845-390D9AEB-3466@storefull-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Rodger Boots 's message of Sat, 29 Apr 2000 03:15:36 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I have a Star Wars cockpit with a 19" WG monitor and have been wanting to restore it to a 25" since I got the thing. Yesterday I finally figured out how. I ended up with a couple of 25 inch color t.v.'s from a barn where some friends and I got a bunch of games (see "The Barn" on Jonathan Morrisons web page). A friend of mine (James Sweet) convinced me that I could make just about any tube work with any monitor, And Tom McClintock and Noel Johnson pointed out that the 25" yoke for the amplifone is the same as the 19" WG yoke. Using the chassis from a completely stock WG and the tube from a JVC 25" T.V. I now have a 25" color vector monitor! It works fantastic. Convergence is fine (didn't take much effort) and the picture is very sharp and bright. In fact I'm using Gravitar as the test subject (it was the easiest to get to) and I've always found Grav. to be a little dim on a WG (turn up the screen and you see connecting lines) but on this monitor it's very bright. The T.V. was a JVC AV-2600US. The Tube is a Hitachi 670ETB22. It's a 100 degree tube. I used the convergence (magnetic) trim rings from the T.V. I replaced the tube socket on the neck board with the one from the T.V. All the pins matched up except number 5 which is grounded on the WG but goes to Screen Grid on the Hitachi tube. I simply cut the pin on the socket and jumpered it. I think James is right. Most tubes will work with most chassis, It's just a matter of connecting the pins properly. Thanks Jason Milsom http://community.webtv.net/MILSOM44/MilsomsPuband --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 11:12:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11345 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:12:56 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16250 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 08:07:32 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <01603F7CF8C7D111B9B80000F80463F701098689 > From: "Keith, Brendan" To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:03:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO > -----Original Message----- > From: MILSOM44@webtv.net [mailto:MILSOM44@webtv.net] > > > I have a Star Wars cockpit with a 19" WG monitor and have been wanting > to restore it to a 25" since I got the thing. > > Using the chassis from a completely stock WG and the tube from a JVC > 25" T.V. I now have a 25" color vector monitor! It works fantastic. "Star Wars: A New Hope" Looks like I'll have a use for that 25" in my Pit Fighter cab, finally. Brendan Keith brendan.keith --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 11:13:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11405 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:13:17 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16260 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 08:08:32 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000501110637.01a4e1d0 > X-Sender: us001378 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:10:35 -0400 To: vectorlist From: Jon Raiford Subject: Re: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector In-Reply-To: <6845-390D9AEB-3466@storefull-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO So you managed to get the convergence right at the top and bottom of the screen? Any chance we could have a peek? :) Jon ** kicks his 25" homemade vector for not lining up perfectly At 07:55 AM 5/1/2000 -0700, you wrote: > Using the chassis from a completely stock WG and the tube from a JVC >25" T.V. I now have a 25" color vector monitor! It works fantastic. >Convergence is fine (didn't take much effort) and the picture is very >sharp and bright. In fact I'm using Gravitar as the test subject (it was >the easiest to get to) and I've always found Grav. to be a little dim on >a WG (turn up the screen and you see connecting lines) but on this >monitor it's very bright. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 11:43:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16121 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:43:04 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16362 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 08:38:36 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <009c01bfb383$cea264a0$020a0a0a > From: "Dan" To: Subject: VECTOR: Test equipment Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 08:42:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Hey guys, I'm slowly learning the art of repair on these vector games. I've come across a Tektronix model 7603 analog oscilloscope, 4 channel, 100mhz in the local paper for $150. I've been watching for something like this to come up for a while... The price certainly seems right, but are its capabilities sufficient to help troubleshoot vector games? What should I check out on the unit prior to purchase? The same seller also have a HV probe that I am planning on picking up re: discharging monitors :) Thanks, -Dan "Wish I had more free time to spend on this hobby" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 11:55:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA18079 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:55:49 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16407 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 08:49:40 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000501084504.00c7c380 > X-Sender: flippers X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 08:50:04 -0700 To: vectorlist > From: John Robertson Subject: Re: VECTOR: Test equipment In-Reply-To: <009c01bfb383$cea264a0$020a0a0a > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO We will all come over and drink all your booze, and empty your fridge if you do not buy that 'scope! As for testing it, there is normally a test point on the front of better scopes that you can hook the probes up to, this is for calibration and will probably have a nice square wave of about 1V. Each channel should show this on several ranges, and you can turn the horizontal to see if it compresses normally. As for any delays, etc, these are difficult to check without other equipment, but not that useful anyways for most service. You can also use your finger as a test point! You should see all sorts of 60 cycle noise if you touch the probe tip and you are not touching the ground of the scope in any way. This will check the higher voltage settings safely. No current or course (unless you are holding the hot end of a power cord ;-) John :-#)# At 08:42 AM 5/1/2000 , Dan wrote: >Hey guys, > >I'm slowly learning the art of repair on these vector games. I've come >across a Tektronix model 7603 analog oscilloscope, 4 channel, 100mhz in the >local paper for $150. I've been watching for something like this to come up >for a while... The price certainly seems right, but are its capabilities >sufficient to help troubleshoot vector games? > >What should I check out on the unit prior to purchase? The same seller also >have a HV probe that I am planning on picking up re: discharging monitors :) > >Thanks, >-Dan "Wish I had more free time to spend on this hobby" > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) http://www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 12:01:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18945 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:01:30 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16399 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 08:48:56 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQ4hzgP/MgDJ3E21U/n3iNTaCZqbgIUNjapXacKCF/iSWBF6xfgkr4/cjs= From: MILSOM44@webtv.net (jason Milsom) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 08:48:17 -0700 (PDT) To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector Message-ID: <18195-390DA741-3104@storefull-166.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Jon Raiford 's message of Mon, 01 May 2000 11:10:35 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Here are a few pics of the 25" vector frankenmonitor. Go to: http://community.webtv.net/MILSOM44/vector Sorry the pics aren't that great they're stills from a video camera. Jason Milsom http://community.webtv.net/MILSOM44/MilsomsPuband --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 12:01:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18998 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:01:48 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16445 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 08:53:37 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000501085018.00c7ccb0 > X-Sender: flippers X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 08:54:02 -0700 To: vectorlist From: John Robertson Subject: Re: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000501110637.01a4e1d0 > References: <6845-390D9AEB-3466@storefull-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO If you are very careful and mark the setting of the convergence rings on both the tube and paint a strip on them BEFORE removal, the convergence will actually be trivial. Even with a new yoke, all the yoke will affect is the purity, and you DON'T adjust the rings, you have try moving the new yoke in and out a hair to set that. Black and white TVs and 19" colour TV tubes also will work in both vector and raster games (I see a horde of Vector folk racing done to their Salvation Army to nab all their $20 TVs...). John :-#)# At 08:10 AM 5/1/2000 , Jon Raiford wrote: >So you managed to get the convergence right at the top and bottom of the >screen? Any chance we could have a peek? :) > >Jon > >** kicks his 25" homemade vector for not lining up perfectly > >At 07:55 AM 5/1/2000 -0700, you wrote: > > Using the chassis from a completely stock WG and the tube from a JVC > >25" T.V. I now have a 25" color vector monitor! It works fantastic. > >Convergence is fine (didn't take much effort) and the picture is very > >sharp and bright. In fact I'm using Gravitar as the test subject (it was > >the easiest to get to) and I've always found Grav. to be a little dim on > >a WG (turn up the screen and you see connecting lines) but on this > >monitor it's very bright. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) http://www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 12:07:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20076 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:07:50 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16485 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 09:02:40 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:01:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000501085018.00c7ccb0 > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO On Mon, 1 May 2000, John Robertson wrote: > tubes also will work in both vector and raster games (I see a horde of > Vector folk racing done to their Salvation Army to nab all their $20 TVs...). In another 5 years, if the switch to HDTV is forced like the current plan is, there may be a glut of cheap TV's on the market. Tubes forever ! 50 inch Tempest ! :-) -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 12:13:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20915 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:13:00 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16499 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 09:08:05 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <01603F7CF8C7D111B9B80000F80463F70109868C > From: "Keith, Brendan" To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:07:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Err, wouldn't converting a 50" projector to vector operation be a little trickier? Isn't the largest tube about 35"? Brendan Keith brendan.keith > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher X. Candreva [mailto:chris ] > > In another 5 years, if the switch to HDTV is forced like the current plan > is, there may be a glut of cheap TV's on the market. Tubes forever ! 50 inch > Tempest ! > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 12:22:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA22683 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:22:33 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16525 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 09:13:51 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:13:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector In-Reply-To: <01603F7CF8C7D111B9B80000F80463F70109868C > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO On Mon, 1 May 2000, Keith, Brendan wrote: > Err, wouldn't converting a 50" projector to vector operation > be a little trickier? Isn't the largest tube about 35"? Now why go wreck a perfectly good fantasy with reality ? :-) Might be -- I don't realy know enough about how projection TVs work these days. I'm thinking the older ones that look like they have three tube-projectors, one for each color, might not be. -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 12:22:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA22778 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:22:51 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16551 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 09:16:31 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000501091203.00c7c1b0 > X-Sender: flippers X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 09:16:54 -0700 To: vectorlist , "'vectorlist > From: John Robertson Subject: RE: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector In-Reply-To: <01603F7CF8C7D111B9B80000F80463F70109868C .com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO What I think would be fun is conning one of the planetariums to hook up Tempest to their vector projectors...Now who do I know at our planetarium, and would it EVER make a great show...I think it might sell tickets! Hmmm, a few of Clay's multi's and a very big cashbox... John :-#)# At 09:07 AM 5/1/2000 , Keith, Brendan wrote: >Err, wouldn't converting a 50" projector to vector operation >be a little trickier? Isn't the largest tube about 35"? > >Brendan Keith >brendan.keith > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Christopher X. Candreva [mailto:chris ] > > > > In another 5 years, if the switch to HDTV is forced like the current plan > > is, there may be a glut of cheap TV's on the market. Tubes forever ! 50 >inch > > Tempest ! > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) http://www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 12:26:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA23347 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:26:13 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16565 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 09:19:40 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <007701bfb388$bda38e40$493572ce@super-portable> From: "Jeff Bovee" To: Subject: Re: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:17:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I think Mitsubishi sells a 40" tube based TV, but that's the biggest one, I think.... Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Keith, Brendan To: 'vectorlist > Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 12:14 PM Subject: RE: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector >Err, wouldn't converting a 50" projector to vector operation >be a little trickier? Isn't the largest tube about 35"? > >Brendan Keith >brendan.keith > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Christopher X. Candreva [mailto:chris ] >> >> In another 5 years, if the switch to HDTV is forced like the current plan >> is, there may be a glut of cheap TV's on the market. Tubes forever ! 50 >inch >> Tempest ! >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 12:40:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25538 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:40:40 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16626 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 09:36:19 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:35:40 -0700 From: Al Kossow Message-Id: <200005011635.JAA09469 > To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: romident Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO What's Romident? And where? A program that has a data base of rom crcs for several thousand arcade rom sets. This is EXTREMELY handy for IDing unknown board sets. There is a version at http://www.spies.com/arcade/romident, with a pointer to the home page of the guy that is working on it in Belgium. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 12:53:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27439 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:53:25 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16670 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 09:48:13 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:47:34 -0700 From: Al Kossow Message-Id: <200005011647.JAA10278 > To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Test equipment Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO "The price certainly seems right, but are its capabilities sufficient to help troubleshoot vector games?" Yes, 7603's are fine modular scopes, depending on the vertical and horizontal plugins. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . 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From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 13:19:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA31772 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:19:55 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16847 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:11:33 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <004701bfb390$1c87fd40$c60c379d > From: "Dan" To: References: <4.2.1.20000501084504.00c7c380 > Subject: Re: VECTOR: Test equipment Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:10:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4027.1600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Any vectorlist person is welcome to come over to my place, and drink all of my beer (homebrew is another one of my hobbies...) BUT I just might put you to work repairing my Star Wars monitor! Thaks for the feedback on the 'scope John & Al, I've asked the seller a few more q's via email (are the probes, manual etc included) I'll pick it up as soon as I get the answers to them. Al - you referenced "modular ...depending on the verticle and horizontal plugins" this worries me a bit - what should I look for to insure at least a minimum of usesfullness from this unit? Thanks for all of the help! -Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 8:50 AM Subject: Re: VECTOR: Test equipment > We will all come over and drink all your booze, and empty your fridge if > you do not buy that 'scope! > > As for testing it, there is normally a test point on the front of better > scopes that you can hook the probes up to, this is for calibration and will > probably have a nice square wave of about 1V. Each channel should show this > on several ranges, and you can turn the horizontal to see if it compresses > normally. As for any delays, etc, these are difficult to check without > other equipment, but not that useful anyways for most service. You can also > use your finger as a test point! You should see all sorts of 60 cycle noise > if you touch the probe tip and you are not touching the ground of the scope > in any way. This will check the higher voltage settings safely. No current > or course (unless you are holding the hot end of a power cord ;-) > > John :-#)# > > At 08:42 AM 5/1/2000 , Dan wrote: > >Hey guys, > > > >I'm slowly learning the art of repair on these vector games. I've come > >across a Tektronix model 7603 analog oscilloscope, 4 channel, 100mhz in the > >local paper for $150. I've been watching for something like this to come up > >for a while... The price certainly seems right, but are its capabilities > >sufficient to help troubleshoot vector games? > > > >What should I check out on the unit prior to purchase? The same seller also > >have a HV probe that I am planning on picking up re: discharging monitors :) > > > >Thanks, > >-Dan "Wish I had more free time to spend on this hobby" > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > http://www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 13:22:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA32175 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:22:41 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16814 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:06:15 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <001901bfb38f$bdb1bae0$71d95d18 > From: "ayeckley" To: Subject: Re: VECTOR: Test equipment Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:07:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO >I'm slowly learning the art of repair on these vector games. I've come >across a Tektronix model 7603 analog oscilloscope, 4 channel, 100mhz in the >local paper for $150. I've been watching for something like this to come up >for a while... The price certainly seems right, but are its capabilities >sufficient to help troubleshoot vector games? I use a 7633, which is the 150Mhz version w/ analog storage (useless). I agree with Al & John that it is a very nice system. That is a pretty good price. Alex http://www.elektronforge.com ayeckley --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 13:33:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00963 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:33:26 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16907 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:23:13 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:22:35 -0700 From: Al Kossow Message-Id: <200005011722.KAA12841 > To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Test equipment Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO "Al - you referenced "modular ...depending on the verticle and horizontal plugins" this worries me a bit - what should I look for to insure at least a minimum of usesfullness from this unit? " I've gotten into collecting Tek 5xx and 7xxx series test equipment recently, so I probably should fill in the test equipment section of arcade/TE on spies. 7xxx series scopes have modules for the vertical and horizontal sections. The most common vertical modules were two channel 7A24 or 7A26. With two plugged in, you can have four simultainous channels. 7B53's were common horizonal plugins (around 100Mhz sweep). They are pretty big units, though (about twice the size of a 465 portable two channel 100Mhz scope). They do have on screen display of the time base and vertical voltage settings. The most importaint thing to find out (other than if it works) is which modules the scope has. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 14:52:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA14278 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:52:13 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17246 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:38:42 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000501143829.01a6e448 > X-Sender: us001378 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 14:40:43 -0400 To: vectorlist From: Jon Raiford Subject: Re: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000501085018.00c7ccb0 > References: <4.2.2.20000501110637.01a4e1d0 > <6845-390D9AEB-3466@storefull-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I was able to converge mine almost perfectly, but the colors are a little off at the top and bottom. The convergence rings are set properly, but are you suggesting that its placement on the neck could be the cause of my problem? Also, any idea how magnetic shunts affect the display or any FAQ that describes them? Jon At 08:54 AM 5/1/2000 -0700, you wrote: >If you are very careful and mark the setting of the convergence rings on both the tube and paint a strip on them BEFORE removal, the convergence will actually be trivial. Even with a new yoke, all the yoke will affect is the purity, and you DON'T adjust the rings, you have try moving the new yoke in and out a hair to set that. Black and white TVs and 19" colour TV tubes also will work in both vector and raster games (I see a horde of Vector folk racing done to their Salvation Army to nab all their $20 TVs...). > >John :-#)# > >At 08:10 AM 5/1/2000 , Jon Raiford wrote: >>So you managed to get the convergence right at the top and bottom of the screen? Any chance we could have a peek? :) >> >>Jon >> >>** kicks his 25" homemade vector for not lining up perfectly >> >>At 07:55 AM 5/1/2000 -0700, you wrote: >> > Using the chassis from a completely stock WG and the tube from a JVC >> >25" T.V. I now have a 25" color vector monitor! It works fantastic. >> >Convergence is fine (didn't take much effort) and the picture is very >> >sharp and bright. In fact I'm using Gravitar as the test subject (it was >> >the easiest to get to) and I've always found Grav. to be a little dim on >> >a WG (turn up the screen and you see connecting lines) but on this >> >monitor it's very bright. >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >>** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >>** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > http://www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 15:11:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18053 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:11:32 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17380 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:01:42 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000501144110.01ab9f18 > X-Sender: us001378 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:03:42 -0400 To: vectorlist From: Jon Raiford Subject: VECTOR: Quantum Cocktail? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Before I get into this, I should probably mention that there are 2 more working Quantums in this world. They are pcb's only, so if anyone knows of a cab or two anywhere... Ok. After getting my Quantum working in my 25" MH cab (by swapping X and Y), I started a quest for inverting the x signal to correct the backwards text. While poking around the schematics, there was mention of an invert signal for both X and Y, but there was no way to select it - they were software controlled. That seemed odd since the game doesn't use such a feature and there was no dipswitch for it. We decided it could be a feature of a cocktail mode and started looking at the unused pins on the harness. As it turns out, two of the pins are +/- sense, the other four connect a second trackball. In the end, we severed the software's ability to invert and put a switch on the board. So is there any documentation describing the second trackball interface or a possible Quantum cocktail mode? Or is it just a feature they probably just dropped when the game turned out to be a flop? Maybe they couldn't figure out how to have the 2nd player sign his/her name for the high score :) Jon Btw, I should thank Mark Spaeth for helping me with the repairs and for putting up with me when I had to deal w/ the 4 year old spraying talcum powder in his room and in his sister's room. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 15:24:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA20172 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:24:46 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17480 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:17:23 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <390DD70C.742B1BE8 > Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:12:12 -0600 From: Jess Askey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Quantum Cocktail? References: <4.2.2.20000501144110.01ab9f18 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Jon Raiford wrote: > So is there any documentation describing the second trackball interface or a possible Quantum cocktail mode? Or is it just a feature they probably just dropped when the game turned out to be a flop? Maybe they couldn't figure out how to have the 2nd player sign his/her name for the high score :) Because hardware was one of the first things designed for a game, it was common practice to make the input section as versatile as possible so that future changes could be done without re-screening the PCB. Major Havoc also has invert controls to the CPU but alas, no cocktail software was ever written for it. Toobin' has the PCB layout for a possible trackball control, but in the end they didn't even stuff it and used the button interface instead. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 16:09:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA27728 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:09:48 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17650 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:59:35 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <390DE1B9.762CF739@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 14:57:45 -0500 From: Rodger Boots Organization: No noticable organization. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "vectorlist > Subject: VECTOR: Did I goof? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Uh, anyone need any marquee bulbs? LOTS of them? Or have I made a dreadful mistake here? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=318557500 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 16:17:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA29067 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:16:58 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17698 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:08:03 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: acmech (Dan Todd) To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Did I goof? Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 20:19:50 GMT Message-ID: <390de685.4064227 > References: <390DE1B9.762CF739@cedar-rapids.net> In-Reply-To: <390DE1B9.762CF739@cedar-rapids.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by synthcom.com id NAA17695 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I'd want to know who the 0 feedback guy that bid up the price is myself. A zero seller and a zero second high bidder always concerns me. Dan On Mon, 01 May 2000 14:57:45 -0500, you wrote: >Uh, anyone need any marquee bulbs? LOTS of them? Or have I >made a dreadful mistake here? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=318557500 > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . 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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:15:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO How much are you asking a piece for them? If the price is right, I'm sure we'd all buy 10 or more....LMK Jeff jbovee@iserv.net -----Original Message----- From: Rodger Boots To: vectorlist > Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 4:12 PM Subject: VECTOR: Did I goof? >Uh, anyone need any marquee bulbs? LOTS of them? Or have I >made a dreadful mistake here? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=318557500 > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . 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References: <390DE1B9.762CF739 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Especially when the zero-feedback bidder only became an ebay user on the day the auction ended. AND only bid on your auction, Roger. Not to mention the free Yahoo mail account... tm Dan Todd wrote: > > I'd want to know who the 0 feedback guy that bid up the price is myself. > > A zero seller and a zero second high bidder always concerns me. > > Dan > > On Mon, 01 May 2000 14:57:45 -0500, you wrote: > > >Uh, anyone need any marquee bulbs? LOTS of them? Or have I > >made a dreadful mistake here? > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=318557500 > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > >** message body to vectorlist-request . 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From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 16:39:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA32735 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:39:10 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17862 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:32:21 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <390DE978.15BAF635@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:30:57 -0500 From: Rodger Boots Organization: No noticable organization. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Did I goof? References: <390DE1B9.762CF739 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C02AAB192E6EE3D0274DD6EA" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO --------------C02AAB192E6EE3D0274DD6EA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The zero for the seller doesn't concern me too much since I'll probably pick these up in person. As for the other guy, yeah he outbid me for a while, but I was only at $.50 a bulb when he did. And, yes, even I had a zero score once upon a time. Didn't make me a bad person. And I even bid on one of my own auctions once (for a friend that didn't have a computer) using another account. The only time I've ever been real concerned was on an auction where I was outbid then the bid was retracted. Take a look & see if this wasn't the oddest damn thing: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=307987814 Dan Todd wrote: > I'd want to know who the 0 feedback guy that bid up the price is myself. > > A zero seller and a zero second high bidder always concerns me. > > Dan > > On Mon, 01 May 2000 14:57:45 -0500, you wrote: > > >Uh, anyone need any marquee bulbs? LOTS of them? Or have I > >made a dreadful mistake here? > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=318557500 > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . -- Windows: 32 bit graphical interface for a 16 bit patch for an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. --------------C02AAB192E6EE3D0274DD6EA Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The zero for the seller doesn't concern me too much since I'll probably pick these up in person.

As for the other guy, yeah he outbid me for a while, but I was only at $.50 a bulb when he did.

And, yes, even I had a zero score once upon a time.  Didn't make me a bad person.  And I even bid on one of my own auctions once (for a friend that didn't have a computer) using another account.  The only time I've ever been real concerned was on an auction where I was outbid then the bid was retracted.  Take a look & see if this wasn't the oddest damn thing:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=307987814
 

Dan Todd wrote:

I'd want to know who the 0 feedback guy that bid up the price is myself.

A zero seller and a zero second high bidder always concerns me.

Dan

On Mon, 01 May 2000 14:57:45 -0500, you wrote:

>Uh, anyone need any marquee bulbs?  LOTS of them?  Or have I
>made a dreadful mistake here?
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=318557500
>
>
>
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In-Reply-To: <390DE978.15BAF635@cedar-rapids.net> References: <390DE1B9.762CF739@cedar-rapids.net> <390de685.4064227 > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Why not send the 2nd high bidder an offer for 1/2 of the bulbs. See if the guy is for real or not. Jon At 03:30 PM 5/1/2000 -0500, you wrote: >The zero for the seller doesn't concern me too much since I'll probably pick these up in person. > >As for the other guy, yeah he outbid me for a while, but I was only at $.50 a bulb when he did. > >And, yes, even I had a zero score once upon a time. Didn't make me a bad person. And I even bid on one of my own auctions once (for a friend that didn't have a computer) using another account. The only time I've ever been real concerned was on an auction where I was outbid then the bid was retracted. Take a look & see if this wasn't the oddest damn thing: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=307987814 > > >Dan Todd wrote: >>I'd want to know who the 0 feedback guy that bid up the price is myself. >> >>A zero seller and a zero second high bidder always concerns me. >> >>Dan >> >>On Mon, 01 May 2000 14:57:45 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >Uh, anyone need any marquee bulbs? LOTS of them? Or have I >> >made a dreadful mistake here? >> > >> >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=318557500 >> > >> > >> > >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >> >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >> >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >>** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >>** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > >-- >Windows: > >32 bit graphical interface for a >16 bit patch for an >8 bit operating system written for a >4 bit processor by a >2 bit company that can't stand >1 bit of competition. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 17:03:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA03789 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:03:05 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17969 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:55:33 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <390DEE80.BDA06A47@airmail.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:52:17 -0500 From: Noel Johnson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: VECTOR: G08 question References: <390DE1B9.762CF739@cedar-rapids.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Hello all, I am attempting to restore a couple G08 monitors and have noticed what appears to be a hack on one of them. One of the X amp deflection transistors (Q706) has a 100ohm, 1/4 watt resistor soldered accross the two pins of the T0-3 transistor. Ditto for the Y amp deflection transistor at Q606. Any ideas what these resistors accomplish and whether I should leave them in place? It should be noted that the hacked monitor was working recently, but just needed a cap kit. Thanks in advance for any assistance! :-) Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 17:06:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA04260 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:06:13 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17998 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:59:40 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <390DEFAB.AB4A7DC4@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:57:15 -0500 From: Rodger Boots Organization: No noticable organization. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Did I goof? References: <390DE1B9.762CF739@cedar-rapids.net> <390de685.4064227 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------839E270139FBEA17ABCB3835" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO --------------839E270139FBEA17ABCB3835 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What? And leave 400 dark marquees out there?? Jon Raiford wrote: > Why not send the 2nd high bidder an offer for 1/2 of the bulbs. See if the guy is for real or not. > > Jon > > At 03:30 PM 5/1/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >The zero for the seller doesn't concern me too much since I'll probably pick these up in person. > > > >As for the other guy, yeah he outbid me for a while, but I was only at $.50 a bulb when he did. > > > >And, yes, even I had a zero score once upon a time. Didn't make me a bad person. And I even bid on one of my own auctions once (for a friend that didn't have a computer) using another account. The only time I've ever been real concerned was on an au > > ction where I was outbid then the bid was retracted. Take a look & see if this wasn't the oddest damn thing: > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=307987814 > > > > > >Dan Todd wrote: > >>I'd want to know who the 0 feedback guy that bid up the price is myself. > >> > >>A zero seller and a zero second high bidder always concerns me. > >> > >>Dan > >> > >>On Mon, 01 May 2000 14:57:45 -0500, you wrote: > >> > >> >Uh, anyone need any marquee bulbs? LOTS of them? Or have I > >> >made a dreadful mistake here? > >> > > >> >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=318557500 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > >> >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > >> >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > >>** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > >>** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > > > >-- > >Windows: > > > >32 bit graphical interface for a > >16 bit patch for an > >8 bit operating system written for a > >4 bit processor by a > >2 bit company that can't stand > >1 bit of competition. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . -- Windows: 32 bit graphical interface for a 16 bit patch for an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. --------------839E270139FBEA17ABCB3835 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What?  And leave 400 dark marquees out there??
 

Jon Raiford wrote:

Why not send the 2nd high bidder an offer for 1/2 of the bulbs.  See if the guy is for real or not.

Jon

At 03:30 PM 5/1/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>The zero for the seller doesn't concern me too much since I'll probably pick these up in person.
>
>As for the other guy, yeah he outbid me for a while, but I was only at $.50 a bulb when he did.
>
>And, yes, even I had a zero score once upon a time.  Didn't make me a bad person.  And I even bid on one of my own auctions once (for a friend that didn't have a computer) using another account.  The only time I've ever been real concerned was on an au

ction where I was outbid then the bid was retracted.  Take a look & see if this wasn't the oddest damn thing:
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=307987814>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=307987814
>
>
>Dan Todd wrote:
>>I'd want to know who the 0 feedback guy that bid up the price is myself.
>>
>>A zero seller and a zero second high bidder always concerns me.
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>On Mon, 01 May 2000 14:57:45 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>> >Uh, anyone need any marquee bulbs?  LOTS of them?  Or have I
>> >made a dreadful mistake here?
>> >
>> ><http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=318557500>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=318557500
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>
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>16 bit patch for an
>8 bit operating system written for a
>4 bit processor by a
>2 bit company that can't stand
>1 bit of competition.
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  --------------839E270139FBEA17ABCB3835-- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 17:20:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA06998 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:20:20 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18043 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:10:25 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <390DF26C.856E16D@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 16:09:01 -0500 From: Rodger Boots Organization: No noticable organization. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: G08 question References: <390DE1B9.762CF739@cedar-rapids.net> <390DEE80.BDA06A47@airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO If it's from emitter to base (would have to be) I wouldn't see any disadvantages to it. Noel Johnson wrote: > Hello all, > > I am attempting to restore a couple G08 monitors and have noticed what > appears to be a hack on one of them. One of the X amp deflection > transistors (Q706) has a 100ohm, 1/4 watt resistor soldered accross the > two pins of the T0-3 transistor. Ditto for the Y amp deflection > transistor at Q606. Any ideas what these resistors accomplish and > whether I should leave them in place? It should be noted that the > hacked monitor was working recently, but just needed a cap kit. > > Thanks in advance for any assistance! :-) > > Noel > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . -- Windows: 32 bit graphical interface for a 16 bit patch for an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 18:12:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA14908 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 18:12:36 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18286 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:57:39 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <390DFC5E.E7F1A691 > Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:51:26 -0600 From: Jess Askey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: VECTOR: FS: A Star Wars Cockpit References: <390DE1B9.762CF739@cedar-rapids.net> <390DEE80.BDA06A47@airmail.net> <390DF26C.856E16D@cedar-rapids.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Hi All, I just got this emal about 5 minutes ago. Im in no way a part of this, just wanted to pass this along to any excited UK vectorlisters.... I didn't tell him about ebay but told him what I thought it was worth in all fairness. jess > Comments: Dear Mr Askey, > > I have an Atari StarWars arcade machine (cockpit version) which i would like to sell. Unfortinately it is not in working order, but it is > complete with all documentation. What is the best way for me to go about finding a buyer for this machine and how much should i be asking > for it? Many thanks in advance for your help. Great site by the way. > > Best regards, > Russell Warburton > > 33 Selkirk Close > Wimborne > Dorset BH21 1TN > United Kingdom > > Telephone: +44 (0)1202 886584 > email: russellwarburton --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 18:35:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA18372 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 18:35:48 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18384 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:24:29 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <390E0358.2791BD84@airmail.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 17:21:12 -0500 From: Noel Johnson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: G08 question References: <390DE1B9.762CF739@cedar-rapids.net> <390DEE80.BDA06A47@airmail.net> <390DF26C.856E16D@cedar-rapids.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Rodger Boots wrote: > > If it's from emitter to base (would have to be) I wouldn't see any > disadvantages to it. > The two pins of a 2n6259 transistor appear to be base and collector per the G08 schematics, but I am not sure. Also, this leads to another question. My G08 manual shows Q705 and Q605 as NPN transistors (MJ15003 or NTE60) and Q706 and Q606 as PNP transistors (MJ15004 or NTE61). I thought it was common to use 2n6259's (NPN) in all four locations. In fact that is what both of my monitors had installed. Is there a mistake in the G08 manual or a different monitor revision which uses the combination of PNP/NPN transistors, rather than 4 NPN's? Thanks! Noel > Noel Johnson wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > I am attempting to restore a couple G08 monitors and have noticed what > > appears to be a hack on one of them. One of the X amp deflection > > transistors (Q706) has a 100ohm, 1/4 watt resistor soldered accross the > > two pins of the T0-3 transistor. Ditto for the Y amp deflection > > transistor at Q606. Any ideas what these resistors accomplish and > > whether I should leave them in place? It should be noted that the > > hacked monitor was working recently, but just needed a cap kit. > > > > Thanks in advance for any assistance! :-) > > > > Noel > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > > -- > Windows: > > 32 bit graphical interface for a > 16 bit patch for an > 8 bit operating system written for a > 4 bit processor by a > 2 bit company that can't stand > 1 bit of competition. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 20:06:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA31059 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:06:06 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18717 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:57:19 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <390E3740.A377433C@flash.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 19:02:40 -0700 From: "Matt J. McCullar" X-Sender: "Matt J. McCullar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector References: <4.2.2.20000501110637.01a4e1d0 > <6845-390D9AEB-3466@storefull-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Jon Raiford wrote: > > I was able to converge mine almost perfectly, but the colors are a little off at the top and bottom. The convergence rings are set properly, but are you suggesting that its placement on the neck could be the cause of my problem? Also, any idea how magnetic shunts affect the display or any FAQ that describes them? He's right -- the front-back positioning of the yoke can indeed make all the difference in getting all of the colors right, particularly those blotchy spots. I found this out the hard way. I don't know why it is, but it's very tough to find a good, step-by-step list of instructions on exactly how to align the convergence on a new CRT or yoke. I finally managed to find just a set of instructions, produced by Video Display Corporation in Georgia. I don't know if they have a web site but I do have a fine list of instructions in my notes at work. I'll put that on my list of things to do: Bring it home and share it with everybody. Those "magnetic shunts" also make a difference, too. Said list of instructions describes those, as well. More later. Matt J. McCullar Arlington, TX "Daddy? Can you fix the TV? All the blood is yellow." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 22:41:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA18948 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 22:41:01 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19209 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:34:40 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000501223109.006c43d0 > X-Sender: us001378 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 22:31:09 -0400 To: vectorlist From: Jon Raiford Subject: Re: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector In-Reply-To: <390E3740.A377433C@flash.net> References: <4.2.2.20000501110637.01a4e1d0 > <6845-390D9AEB-3466@storefull-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <4.2.2.20000501143829.01a6e448 > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I guess I should have said that the purity *is* set properly. The problem lies with how the different colors line up at the top and bottom of the screen. I have the convergence magnets rotated to the optimal position right now, but it still leaves a slight gap at the top and bottom. Changing the convergence will make one better while making the other worse. I suppose though that the location of the convergence rings in respect to the front/back of the tube could change the convergence this way, but I would expect to see the same effect on the sides as well. Maybe I should play with its location. Jon At 07:02 PM 5/1/00 -0700, you wrote: >He's right -- the front-back positioning of the yoke can indeed make all >the difference in getting all of the colors right, particularly those >blotchy spots. I found this out the hard way. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 22:44:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA19331 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 22:44:29 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19223 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:36:46 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:36:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Anderson X-Sender: mayday19@u2.farm.idt.net To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO > In another 5 years, if the switch to HDTV is forced like the current plan > is, there may be a glut of cheap TV's on the market. Tubes forever ! 50 inch > Tempest ! Dont hold your breath, there will be cheap downconverters available.. But there will definately be a lot of junk TVs out there. Considering the average life of a Thomson (RCA, GE, Proscan, Magnavox, Philips) TV is about 3 years :) Unfortunately most of the new sets do not use convergence rings any longer. They now use ferrite rings and the convergence is "programmed" into the ring at the time of manufacture. It cant be changed and I doubt you can remove the ring without breaking the neck.. Better TVs now have dynamic convergence. Instead of ferrite or convergence rings there is another small yoke for convergence. Either way you cant win using newer tubes. Its just junk.. I guess you could try to use some older rings on a CRT that had dynamic convergence, since you can remove both yokes easily. Besides any TV that uses DC should have a damn good (and large) CRT (probably be 2-3 years before those show up junked though). There ARE and will for a while be a surplus of CRT projectors out there. Most of the projectors are getting near the end of their useful life are are being replaced with easier to maintain LCD or DLP projectors.. I'm planning on trying to build a vector projector sometime using an old BARCO analog chassis CRT projector.. Its going to be a hacked up mess using 3 amplifone deflection boards, but it will have a 150" screen :) There really is no way to hack a rear-projection TV into a vector projector, The convergence is far too critical. Front projectors are the way to go and should work pretty well.. The bigger the screen, the better the convergence will be (since the CRTs dont have to be angled in nearly as much) ..Bonus! Jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon May 1 23:00:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA21036 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 23:00:17 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19264 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:55:49 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:55:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: "vectorlist > Subject: Re: VECTOR: Major Havoc repro roller update (with picture links) In-Reply-To: <38E10C5F.ED9E7EE2@concentric.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Received my repro rollers today, and installed in my original MH controller. What a difference they make. No more slipping. Very precise control. Anyone with wear on your rollers, pick up a set up these. You won't regret it. Thanks Mark ! -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue May 2 03:47:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA15027 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 03:47:01 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20028 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 00:40:45 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <000801bfb40a$2a2677e0$b508b2d0@aarons> From: "Aaron Howald" To: References: Subject: Re: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 00:43:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Anderson" To: Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 7:36 PM Subject: Re: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector > Unfortunately most of the new sets do not use convergence rings any > longer. They now use ferrite rings and the convergence is "programmed" > into the ring at the time of manufacture. It cant be changed and I doubt > you can remove the ring without breaking the neck.. Worth noting... RCA and GE sets have the yoke bonded to the tube, it cannot be removed! The programmed rings can be cut off though... >Better TVs now have > dynamic convergence. Instead of ferrite or convergence rings there is > another small yoke for convergence. Larger tubes use this, along with dynamic foucus >Either way you cant win using newer > tubes. Its just junk.. A shame-newer tubes have better contrast and foucus-usually! >I guess you could try to use some older rings on a > CRT that had dynamic convergence, since you can remove both yokes easily. > Besides any TV that uses DC should have a damn good (and large) CRT > (probably be 2-3 years before those show up junked though). > > There ARE and will for a while be a surplus of CRT projectors out there. > Most of the projectors are getting near the end of their useful life are > are being replaced with easier to maintain LCD or DLP projectors.. I'm > planning on trying to build a vector projector sometime using an old > BARCO analog chassis CRT projector.. Its going to be a hacked up mess > using 3 amplifone deflection boards, but it will have a 150" screen :) Oh please post pics when done! I want to use a super hi-res computer monitor tube but they are still too expensive in a large size... Aaron Howald ahowald@w-link.net --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue May 2 05:31:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA22502 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 05:31:01 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20425 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 02:22:53 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <390E9E12.DA40BDC4@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 04:21:22 -0500 From: Rodger Boots Organization: No noticable organization. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: G08 question References: <390DE1B9.762CF739@cedar-rapids.net> <390DEE80.BDA06A47@airmail.net> <390DF26C.856E16D@cedar-rapids.net> <390E0358.2791BD84@airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Be VERY careful here, EARLY G08s used the MJ15003/MJ15004 combination. Later ones used 2N6259s. The driver circuits are different. The case of a TO-3 style power transistor should always be collector. I suppose there is something out there that violates that rule, but I've never seen or heard of one. To carry this even further, the case of a metal transistor is always the collector. On plastic power transistors the tab is always the collector. Noel Johnson wrote: > Rodger Boots wrote: > > > > If it's from emitter to base (would have to be) I wouldn't see any > > disadvantages to it. > > > > The two pins of a 2n6259 transistor appear to be base and collector per > the G08 schematics, but I am not sure. > > Also, this leads to another question. My G08 manual shows Q705 and Q605 > as NPN transistors (MJ15003 or NTE60) and Q706 and Q606 as PNP > transistors (MJ15004 or NTE61). I thought it was common to use 2n6259's > (NPN) in all four locations. In fact that is what both of my monitors > had installed. Is there a mistake in the G08 manual or a different > monitor revision which uses the combination of PNP/NPN transistors, > rather than 4 NPN's? > > Thanks! > Noel > > > Noel Johnson wrote: > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > I am attempting to restore a couple G08 monitors and have noticed what > > > appears to be a hack on one of them. One of the X amp deflection > > > transistors (Q706) has a 100ohm, 1/4 watt resistor soldered accross the > > > two pins of the T0-3 transistor. Ditto for the Y amp deflection > > > transistor at Q606. Any ideas what these resistors accomplish and > > > whether I should leave them in place? It should be noted that the > > > hacked monitor was working recently, but just needed a cap kit. > > > > > > Thanks in advance for any assistance! :-) > > > > > > Noel > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > > > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > > > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > > > > -- > > Windows: > > > > 32 bit graphical interface for a > > 16 bit patch for an > > 8 bit operating system written for a > > 4 bit processor by a > > 2 bit company that can't stand > > 1 bit of competition. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . -- Windows: 32 bit graphical interface for a 16 bit patch for an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue May 2 05:44:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA23362 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 05:44:51 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20453 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 02:37:54 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <390EA199.83F6EB8C@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 04:36:25 -0500 From: Rodger Boots Organization: No noticable organization. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector References: <000801bfb40a$2a2677e0$b508b2d0@aarons> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO There are a couple of Phillips 25" tube/yoke pairings that have some possibilities. IF the horizontal windings are switched from parallel to series and IF the vertical windings are switched from series to parallel, BOTH windings are very close to the same inductance (about 1.3 mH) and have about the same sensitivity (about 4.5 amps to move the spot to the edge of the screen). At this inductance I figure about 8 volts applied will get the spot from one side to the other in a millisecond. With 24 volts drive you would think about a third of a millisecond could happen. But this may still be too slow. These tubes also come right out of the box converged with no further adjustment possible. Might play with one some day, if they aren't too pricey. Probably the way to REALLY use one of these is to find out what TV uses them and then buy the TV. That way the other stuff you need (HV system, neck board, video drivers, etc.). come along with it at probably not much more than the tube would cost alone in low quantity. Aaron Howald wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Anderson" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector > > > Unfortunately most of the new sets do not use convergence rings any > > longer. They now use ferrite rings and the convergence is > "programmed" > > into the ring at the time of manufacture. It cant be changed and I > doubt > > you can remove the ring without breaking the neck.. > > Worth noting... RCA and GE sets have the yoke bonded to the tube, it > cannot be removed! > The programmed rings can be cut off though... > > >Better TVs now have > > dynamic convergence. Instead of ferrite or convergence rings there > is > > another small yoke for convergence. > > Larger tubes use this, along with dynamic foucus > > >Either way you cant win using newer > > tubes. Its just junk.. > > A shame-newer tubes have better contrast and foucus-usually! > > >I guess you could try to use some older rings on a > > CRT that had dynamic convergence, since you can remove both yokes > easily. > > Besides any TV that uses DC should have a damn good (and large) CRT > > (probably be 2-3 years before those show up junked though). > > > > There ARE and will for a while be a surplus of CRT projectors out > there. > > Most of the projectors are getting near the end of their useful life > are > > are being replaced with easier to maintain LCD or DLP projectors.. > I'm > > planning on trying to build a vector projector sometime using an old > > BARCO analog chassis CRT projector.. Its going to be a hacked up > mess > > using 3 amplifone deflection boards, but it will have a 150" screen > :) > > Oh please post pics when done! > > I want to use a super hi-res computer monitor tube but they are still > too expensive in a large size... > > Aaron Howald > ahowald@w-link.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . -- Windows: 32 bit graphical interface for a 16 bit patch for an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue May 2 08:41:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA07416 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 08:41:28 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20865 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 05:34:23 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <001d01bfb431$a96c2fa0$0c01010a@daytrader2> From: "James Nelson" To: References: <000801bfb40a$2a2677e0$b508b2d0@aarons> <390EA199.83F6EB8C@cedar-rapids.net> Subject: VECTOR: 25" Phillips tube/yoke pairing? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:26:36 -0400 Organization: eBay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Please Tell more about this tube/yoke combination. The inductance is a little high but not out of the reasonable range. Drive electronics would need to be closer to 60 Volts. Where can I get one? -james ----- Original Message ----- From: Rodger Boots To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 5:36 AM Subject: Re: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector > There are a couple of Phillips 25" tube/yoke pairings that have some > possibilities. IF the horizontal windings are switched from parallel to series > and IF the vertical windings are switched from series to parallel, BOTH > windings are very close to the same inductance (about 1.3 mH) and have about > the same sensitivity (about 4.5 amps to move the spot to the edge of the > screen). At this inductance I figure about 8 volts applied will get the spot > from one side to the other in a millisecond. With 24 volts drive you would > think about a third of a millisecond could happen. But this may still be too > slow. These tubes also come right out of the box converged with no further > adjustment possible. Might play with one some day, if they aren't too pricey. > > Probably the way to REALLY use one of these is to find out what TV uses them > and then buy the TV. That way the other stuff you need (HV system, neck board, > video drivers, etc.). come along with it at probably not much more than the > tube would cost alone in low quantity. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue May 2 15:11:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA09869 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:11:25 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22217 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:59:26 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <20000502185805.71026.qmail > X-Originating-IP: [205.229.114.220] From: "Clay Cowgill" To: vectorlist Subject: VECTOR: Moving multiple games Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:58:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Hi everyone, I need to move about ten games (all at once) including a couple "tall" vector games like Battlezone. Does anyone have a suggestion for a particular U-Haul/Ryder truck or (preferably) trailer that would work? I remember some of the U-Haul trailers being relatively short -- 'er... "low profile" according to the webpage -- which I think will cause problems with the height on BZ (and maybe even Starwars and other "normal" sized games). If possible please e-mail me with suggestions/experiences to either clay and I'll post a summary tomorrow or Thursday. Is this FAQ'd someplace? Thanks, -Clay ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue May 2 15:35:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA14605 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:35:51 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22318 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:22:20 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: SigmFSK Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:20:52 EDT Subject: VECTOR: Tempest Spot Killer On w/ LV2000 and Zanen 206. To: vectorlist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 33 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Hi All. Got my new cocktail Tempest, and had a blast for 1/2 hour until the monitor went out. Spot killer on. Right voltages on fuses. Chassis transistors not shorted - +/-26V. Installed LV2000, both LV2000 LEDs on. Spot killer still on. Turn up brightness, blue dot in center of screen. Per, www.amug.org/~necro/video/zanen206.html, installed the Zanen kit, and extra components (minus chassis transistors - and minus D100, D101, D102, D103 deflection board, and Q901, Q902 High Voltage parts (on backorder)). F700 blew on power up. Spot killer on. Replaced fuse, didn't blow again. Spot Killer still on. Turn up brightness, blue dot in center of screen. Rexamined all components; nothing obviously burned. F700 still good. Offer any ideas? Or wait and replace the D100-D103 and Q901, Q902 before going into serious troubleshooting? Thanks, Arthur. p.s. This is my first post; is this list described/referenced on the web; are previous messages available? Surely someone else has had this problem; but I can't find a troubleshooting on F700 anywhere (sure, all the other fuses, but not F700). --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue May 2 15:51:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17503 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:51:40 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22400 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:43:03 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <390F2F6A.9ED28AD@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 14:41:30 -0500 From: Rodger Boots Organization: No noticable organization. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: 25" Phillips tube/yoke pairing? References: <000801bfb40a$2a2677e0$b508b2d0@aarons> <390EA199.83F6EB8C@cedar-rapids.net> <001d01bfb431$a96c2fa0$0c01010a@daytrader2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Data is at http://www.dc.comp.philips.com/products/product/tvt/normal/datashts/a59eak071x_ds.html If you click on PDF data you will get a spec sheet for the CRT itself. If you click, instead, on the A59EAK071X44 assembly number you can get to data on the tube with the yoke in question already installed. There is another PDF datasheet available there for the combination. There is also another version of this tube that has an Invar shadow mask instead of an iron one, but it takes higher voltages and slightly more yoke current to use. Horizontal yoke specs are .38 mH, .36 ohms, and 9.2 amps p-p for full deflection. If you change that from parallel to series connected that would translate to 1.52 mH, 1.44 ohms, and 4.6 amps p-p (2.3 amps for full deflection). Vertical yoke specs are 6.2 mH, 3.5 ohms, and 2.19 amps p-p for full deflection. If you change that from series to parallel connected that would translate to 1.55 mH, .875 ohms, and 4.38 amps p-p (2.19 amps for full deflection). Like you said, a bit high on the inductance, but a stacked output stage (like the old class D or class G) could handle this easily. I tried Richardson Electronics, but they really aren't in the TV picture tube business and, even though the part number shows in their database, it comes up as a blank entry. It may very well turn out that using a Wells-Gardner tube from the K7000 series and a Wintron custom-made yoke is the best way to go, but then a person has to try to hunt down tube sockets and convergence assemblies. That could get ugly. James Nelson wrote: > Please Tell more about this tube/yoke combination. The inductance is a > little high but not out of the reasonable range. Drive electronics would > need to be closer to 60 Volts. Where can I get one? > > -james > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rodger Boots > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 5:36 AM > Subject: Re: VECTOR: It's alive 25" vector > > > There are a couple of Phillips 25" tube/yoke pairings that have some > > possibilities. IF the horizontal windings are switched from parallel to > series > > and IF the vertical windings are switched from series to parallel, BOTH > > windings are very close to the same inductance (about 1.3 mH) and have > about > > the same sensitivity (about 4.5 amps to move the spot to the edge of the > > screen). At this inductance I figure about 8 volts applied will get the > spot > > from one side to the other in a millisecond. With 24 volts drive you > would > > think about a third of a millisecond could happen. But this may still be > too > > slow. These tubes also come right out of the box converged with no > further > > adjustment possible. Might play with one some day, if they aren't too > pricey. > > > > Probably the way to REALLY use one of these is to find out what TV uses > them > > and then buy the TV. That way the other stuff you need (HV system, neck > board, > > video drivers, etc.). come along with it at probably not much more than > the > > tube would cost alone in low quantity. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . -- Windows: 32 bit graphical interface for a 16 bit patch for an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue May 2 15:54:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17995 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:54:16 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22427 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:48:15 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <390F30A2.58413441@cedar-rapids.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 14:46:42 -0500 From: Rodger Boots Organization: No noticable organization. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: Moving multiple games References: <20000502185805.71026.qmail > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I used to use the U-haul 8x12 enclosed trailer which held 8 games laid on their sides and stacked. The ninth game went in the towing vehicle. You could go with an open trailer with a tarp over the games and haul more that way. If money isn't an object, their larger trucks will handle a LOT of machines standing up. Plus the integrated loading ramps work well. Clay Cowgill wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I need to move about ten games (all at once) including a couple "tall" > vector games like Battlezone. Does anyone have a suggestion for a > particular U-Haul/Ryder truck or (preferably) trailer that would work? I > remember some of the U-Haul trailers being relatively short -- 'er... "low > profile" according to the webpage -- which I think will cause problems with > the height on BZ (and maybe even Starwars and other "normal" sized games). > > If possible please e-mail me with suggestions/experiences to either > clay and I'll post a summary tomorrow > or Thursday. > > Is this FAQ'd someplace? > > Thanks, > -Clay > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . -- Windows: 32 bit graphical interface for a 16 bit patch for an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue May 2 15:57:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18629 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:57:40 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22409 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:44:18 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <003b01bfb46e$76267fa0$543572ce@super-portable> From: "Jeff Bovee" To: Subject: Re: VECTOR: Tempest Spot Killer On w/ LV2000 and Zanen 206. Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:41:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Have you put a scope on the X & Y outputs of the boardset to make sure you're getting a good signal yet? -----Original Message----- From: SigmFSK > To: vectorlist > Date: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 3:38 PM Subject: VECTOR: Tempest Spot Killer On w/ LV2000 and Zanen 206. >Hi All. Got my new cocktail Tempest, and had a blast for 1/2 hour until the >monitor went out. Spot killer on. Right voltages on fuses. Chassis >transistors not shorted - +/-26V. > >Installed LV2000, both LV2000 LEDs on. Spot killer still on. Turn up >brightness, blue dot in center of screen. > >Per, www.amug.org/~necro/video/zanen206.html, installed the Zanen kit, and >extra components (minus chassis transistors - and minus D100, D101, D102, >D103 deflection board, and Q901, Q902 High Voltage parts (on backorder)). > >F700 blew on power up. Spot killer on. Replaced fuse, didn't blow again. >Spot Killer still on. Turn up brightness, blue dot in center of screen. >Rexamined all components; nothing obviously burned. F700 still good. > >Offer any ideas? Or wait and replace the D100-D103 and Q901, Q902 before >going into serious troubleshooting? >Thanks, Arthur. > >p.s. This is my first post; is this list described/referenced on the web; >are previous messages available? Surely someone else has had this problem; >but I can't find a troubleshooting on F700 anywhere (sure, all the other >fuses, but not F700). >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue May 2 16:09:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA21063 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 16:09:18 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22473 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:56:20 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: SigmFSK Message-ID: <38.561a1d7.26408c8f > Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:54:55 EDT Subject: Re: VECTOR: Tempest Spot Killer On w/ LV2000 and Zanen 206. To: vectorlist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 33 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO In a message dated 5/2/00 2:44:01 PM Central Daylight Time, jbovee@iserv.net writes: << Have you put a scope on the X & Y outputs of the boardset to make sure you're getting a good signal yet? >> No; don't have a scope - AAAAHHHH!!! What kind of hardware guy am I; not really; a software guy. We have one at work that I can steal for the night; I'll plan for it if there's nothing I can easily test for with my multimeter. Arthur. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue May 2 16:30:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA25160 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 16:30:53 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22549 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:13:06 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <000701bfb469$288c1ca0$8a00a8c0@PCN138> From: "Walt" To: References: Subject: Re: VECTOR: Tempest Spot Killer On w/ LV2000 and Zanen 206. Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:03:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO check here: http://www.gamearchive.com/video/manufacturer/atari/vector/html/monitor.html or here: http://plop.phys.cwru.edu/repairfaq/REPAIR/F_VAtari.html Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 2:20 PM Subject: VECTOR: Tempest Spot Killer On w/ LV2000 and Zanen 206. > Hi All. Got my new cocktail Tempest, and had a blast for 1/2 hour until the > monitor went out. Spot killer on. Right voltages on fuses. Chassis > transistors not shorted - +/-26V. > > Installed LV2000, both LV2000 LEDs on. Spot killer still on. Turn up > brightness, blue dot in center of screen. > > Per, www.amug.org/~necro/video/zanen206.html, installed the Zanen kit, and > extra components (minus chassis transistors - and minus D100, D101, D102, > D103 deflection board, and Q901, Q902 High Voltage parts (on backorder)). > > F700 blew on power up. Spot killer on. Replaced fuse, didn't blow again. > Spot Killer still on. Turn up brightness, blue dot in center of screen. > Rexamined all components; nothing obviously burned. F700 still good. > > Offer any ideas? Or wait and replace the D100-D103 and Q901, Q902 before > going into serious troubleshooting? > Thanks, Arthur. > > p.s. This is my first post; is this list described/referenced on the web; > are previous messages available? Surely someone else has had this problem; > but I can't find a troubleshooting on F700 anywhere (sure, all the other > fuses, but not F700). > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue May 2 16:37:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA25973 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 16:37:02 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22599 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:23:21 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <3D62AB6FFC80D211A84700104B10CB2C02D95D3B > From: jeff hendrix To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: VECTOR: Tempest Spot Killer On w/ LV2000 and Zanen 206. Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:22:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Arthur, Glad to see you made it over here. First of all, I would say that the D100-D103 and Q901 and Q902 are all OK. (since you are getting +/- 26V and you can see a dot when you turn up the brightness) Use your multimeter and check the x and y outputs from the game. You should see a DC voltage close to 0, and an AC voltage of something (sorry, can't remember about where is should be). Basically, if you get an AC voltage of 0, or a DC voltage that's stuck on some value that's not real close to 0, then you probably have a bad output section on your game board. -jeff -----Original Message----- From: SigmFSK ] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:21 PM To: vectorlist Subject: VECTOR: Tempest Spot Killer On w/ LV2000 and Zanen 206. Hi All. Got my new cocktail Tempest, and had a blast for 1/2 hour until the monitor went out. Spot killer on. Right voltages on fuses. Chassis transistors not shorted - +/-26V. Installed LV2000, both LV2000 LEDs on. Spot killer still on. Turn up brightness, blue dot in center of screen. Per, www.amug.org/~necro/video/zanen206.html, installed the Zanen kit, and extra components (minus chassis transistors - and minus D100, D101, D102, D103 deflection board, and Q901, Q902 High Voltage parts (on backorder)). F700 blew on power up. Spot killer on. Replaced fuse, didn't blow again. Spot Killer still on. Turn up brightness, blue dot in center of screen. Rexamined all components; nothing obviously burned. F700 still good. Offer any ideas? Or wait and replace the D100-D103 and Q901, Q902 before going into serious troubleshooting? Thanks, Arthur. p.s. This is my first post; is this list described/referenced on the web; are previous messages available? Surely someone else has had this problem; but I can't find a troubleshooting on F700 anywhere (sure, all the other fuses, but not F700). --------------