From Mowerman Thu Oct 1 05:03:09 1998 Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id FAA16107 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:03:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mowerman (207-172-109-5.s5.as1.war.erols.com [207.172.109.5]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA01352 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 06:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005f01bded22$61cdf340$056daccf@mowerman> From: "Kev" To: Subject: Re: Sticking a 25 inch Amplifone into a Gravitar Cabinet? Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:59:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN -----Original Message----- From: Keith, Brendan To: 'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu' Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 5:26 PM Subject: RE: Sticking a 25 inch Amplifone into a Gravitar Cabinet? >> From: Thomas43 ] >> Subject: Sticking a 25 inch Amplifone into a Gravitar Cabinet? >> >> Has anyone tried this? Any tips? >> >> >It won't work. :) Your best bet is to trade it to me for my 19" WG. >Anyone else want to take me up on this offer? The difference can >be negotiated. >Brendan Keith >brendan.keith > I think Game Doctor (Video Connection) was selling a kit of hardware to insert a 25 in a 19. I know a op that did this with a Dig Dug & a Stargate cabinet. Should work, if you want to bastardize your Gravitar.... Kev From Mit_Matelske Thu Oct 1 10:42:52 1998 Received: from smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (ns1.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.3.20]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id KAA22079 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:42:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM ([141.251.211.49]) by smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (8.9.1/BNET-98/09/30-E) with ESMTP id IAA02384 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.corpeast.Baynetworks.com (ns2.corpeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.72.17]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA01602 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:41:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from bl-mail1.corpeast.BayNetworks.com (bl-mail1-nf0) by ns2.corpeast.Baynetworks.com (4.1/BNET-97/04/29-S) id AA21681; Thu, 1 Oct 98 11:41:52 EDT for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Received: from mitnt ([206.210.192.162]) by bl-mail1.corpeast.BayNetworks.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-51848U14000L14000S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:41:45 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981001104507.00ed0510 > X-Sender: mmatelsk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:45:12 -0500 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Mit_Matelske (Mit Matelske) Subject: Re: Sticking a 25 inch Amplifone into a Gravitar Cabinet? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I have a question... Where the hell are 25" amplifones just popping up from??? Speaking of 25" tubes, Joe, did you ever have any luck finding a replacement for the 25" amps? Mit At 04:04 PM 9/30/98 EDT, you wrote: >Has anyone tried this? I have a 25inch Amplifone from a Star Wars Cockpit >that I would like to cram into my Major Havoc/Gravitar/Black widow cabinet. >It looks like the cabinet is wide enough to hold the monitor. Just checking >to see if anyone has some insights into doing it. Any tips? > > From jenison Thu Oct 1 11:30:09 1998 Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id LAA00838 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:30:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by ftpbox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id LAA03993 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:30:06 -0500 (CDT) Comments: ( Received on ftpbox.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by mothost.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id LAA29751 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:29:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id LAA06512 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:26:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id LAA20712 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:26:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:26:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9810011126.ZM20710@calcite> In-Reply-To: Mit_Matelske (Mit Matelske) "Re: Sticking a 25 inch Amplifone into a Gravitar Cabinet?" (Oct 1, 10:45am) References: <3.0.32.19981001104507.00ed0510 > X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Sticking a 25 inch Amplifone into a Gravitar Cabinet? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Oct 1, 10:45am, Mit Matelske wrote: > Subject: Re: Sticking a 25 inch Amplifone into a Gravitar Cabinet? > > I have a question... Where the hell are 25" amplifones > just popping up from??? I'm stopping by an operators this weekend who has 4 or 5 Amplifone tubes laying around...he'd probably be willing to part with a few. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From jhendrix Thu Oct 1 11:41:57 1998 Received: from mailhost.quark.com (mailhost.quark.com [206.195.78.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id LAA03306 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:41:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from denver.quark.com (denver.quark.com [206.195.71.192]) by mailhost.quark.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20763 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by denver.quark.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:39:12 -0600 Message-ID: From: jeff hendrix To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Sticking a 25 inch Amplifone into a Gravitar Cabinet? Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:39:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Are these 25" amplifones? If so, I might be interested in one (that is if the shipping is less that $50) -jeff -----Original Message----- From: Mark Jenison [mailto:jenison ] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 10:26 AM To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Sticking a 25 inch Amplifone into a Gravitar Cabinet? On Oct 1, 10:45am, Mit Matelske wrote: > Subject: Re: Sticking a 25 inch Amplifone into a Gravitar Cabinet? > > I have a question... Where the hell are 25" amplifones > just popping up from??? I'm stopping by an operators this weekend who has 4 or 5 Amplifone tubes laying around...he'd probably be willing to part with a few. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From jenison Thu Oct 1 13:44:30 1998 Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id NAA01019 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:44:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by motgate.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id NAA05135 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:43:54 -0500 (CDT) Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by mothost.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id NAA24336 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:43:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id NAA20336 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:38:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id NAA22256 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:38:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:38:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9810011338.ZM22254@calcite> In-Reply-To: jeff hendrix "RE: Sticking a 25 inch Amplifone into a Gravitar Cabinet?" (Oct 1, 10:39am) References: X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Sticking a 25 inch Amplifone into a Gravitar Cabinet? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN All, I always figured there were a lot of Amplifone tube laying around due to the number of Star Wars monitors that failed and were replaced. I didn't realize so many people were interested in them. Anyway, I don't think I'd be interested in shipping any because I'm slow enough as it is with normal sized boxes :-). The operator said he'd sell them for around $30 a piece. If someone REALLY wants one and can either pick it up or can persuade me into shipping one (maybe a nice trade item?) and be VERY patient, I may pick up a few. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From Mit_Matelske Thu Oct 1 14:30:50 1998 Received: from smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (ns5.baynetworks.com [194.133.90.101]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id OAA09102 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:30:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM ([132.245.135.115]) by smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18772 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:30:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ns2.corpeast.Baynetworks.com (ns2.corpeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.72.17]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA19167 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bl-mail1.corpeast.BayNetworks.com (bl-mail1-nf0) by ns2.corpeast.Baynetworks.com (4.1/BNET-97/04/29-S) id AA08641; Thu, 1 Oct 98 15:29:59 EDT for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Received: from mitnt ([206.210.192.162]) by bl-mail1.corpeast.BayNetworks.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-51848U14000L14000S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:29:53 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981001143317.00ee7560 > X-Sender: mmatelsk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:33:18 -0500 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Mit_Matelske (Mit Matelske) Subject: Re: Sticking a 25 inch Amplifone into a Gravitar Cabinet? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Mark- I would be mega-interested in a 19 and a 25 inch amplifone tube. I am in *no* hurry what-so-ever, and I'm sure we could work something out :) Mit At 01:38 PM 10/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >All, > >I always figured there were a lot of Amplifone tube laying around due to the >number of Star Wars monitors that failed and were replaced. I didn't realize >so many people were interested in them. > >Anyway, I don't think I'd be interested in shipping any because I'm slow enough >as it is with normal sized boxes :-). > >The operator said he'd sell them for around $30 a piece. If someone REALLY >wants one and can either pick it up or can persuade me into shipping one (maybe >a nice trade item?) and be VERY patient, I may pick up a few. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison >Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From Mit_Matelske Thu Oct 1 14:32:37 1998 Received: from smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (ns4.BayNetworks.COM [192.32.253.7]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id OAA09425 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:32:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM ([132.245.135.115]) by smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (8.9.1/BNET-98/09/30-E) with ESMTP id PAA13161 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.corpeast.Baynetworks.com (ns2.corpeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.72.17]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA19317 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bl-mail1.corpeast.BayNetworks.com (bl-mail1-nf0) by ns2.corpeast.Baynetworks.com (4.1/BNET-97/04/29-S) id AA08987; Thu, 1 Oct 98 15:31:30 EDT for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Received: from mitnt ([206.210.192.162]) by bl-mail1.corpeast.BayNetworks.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-51848U14000L14000S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:31:25 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981001143438.00eeb730 > X-Sender: mmatelsk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:34:50 -0500 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Mit_Matelske (Mit Matelske) Subject: Re: Sticking a 25 inch Amplifone into a Gravitar Cabinet? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Sorry, reply button does it to me again, right after I released the mouse button..... I'm retarded. Sorry again, Mit Matelske From jrr Thu Oct 1 14:34:02 1998 Received: from penelope.aktom.com (smtp.aktom.com [207.219.208.2] (may be forged)) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id OAA09532 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:33:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nvcr01m02-78.bctel.ca (nvcr01m02-78.bctel.ca [207.194.20.78]) by penelope.flippers.com (NTMail 3.03.0012/4c.abyd) with ESMTP id qa010962 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:41:47 +0100 Message-ID: <3613D999.2379BF20 > Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:35:53 -0700 From: John Robertson Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: vector monitor specs... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi! Not top be boring, but I have a schematic on my site of a B&W XY monitor (13") driven by two audio amp modules...this was back in the early 80's. Umm, let me see... http://www.flippers.com/vid-tips.html But I guess you all knew that. John :-#(# Clay Cowgill wrote: > > > If you want to replace G08 DefAmps, you'll have to have a display > > corrector > > (I'm guessing that's what is in the custom part on the G08 amp) and it > > needs > > to work at a pretty high voltage. > > > Why not correct the low-voltage input signal instead? > > > You still may want to look at overcurrent > > protection/full-scale deflection shutdown as well, and measure the > > 'flyback' > > voltage across the yoke during rapid deflection changes. > > > I'm going to poke around a bit on a WG 6100 while I wait for some parts > to arrive so I can finish off the MultiPac backorder. If I find > anything "interesting" I'll post to the list! > > -Clay -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From jenison Thu Oct 1 16:08:39 1998 Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id QAA28723 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:08:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by motgate.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id QAA15943 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:08:36 -0500 (CDT) Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by mothost.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id QAA22025 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:08:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id QAA06792 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:00:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id QAA24294 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:00:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:00:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9810011600.ZM24292@calcite> In-Reply-To: Mit_Matelske (Mit Matelske) "Re: Sticking a 25 inch Amplifone into a Gravitar Cabinet?" (Oct 1, 2:33pm) References: <3.0.32.19981001143317.00ee7560 > X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Sticking a 25 inch Amplifone into a Gravitar Cabinet? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN All, FYI, Demand has been greater than the supply will probably be, so hopefully no one will be heart broken if they don't get one. Anyway, the operator said that if an Amplifone HV unit/flyback fails, he simply uses a WG6100 HV unit and, with 1 cap and 2 resistors, wires that in and uses the original Amplifone deflection board. What is your take on this? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From chris Thu Oct 1 21:47:21 1998 Received: from westnet.com (chris [206.24.6.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id VAA05829 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:47:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by westnet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA19146 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:47:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Sega PS -- which plug is which ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Finally dug up the schematics on spies (Looked under Star Trek, sega, and G80 -- and it's under convertaCab. Of course). One question remains. The power supply has two 10-pin headers (power in, power out) and two four-pin headers (volume control, and speaker). However, I can't find any P# markins on the PC board to say which is which. Judging from the circuit, I'm guessing that the 10 pin on the end is power in, and the one in the middle is power out. I'm clueless on the other 2: .... .... .......... .......... 4 1 4 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 Vout? Vin? I'ld be every so appreciative if someone could confirm which is which. Also: The one piece of cable I seem to be missing is the one that connects to the 10 pin Vout of the power supply. Looks like a simple pin for pin to the card cage. It also looks like it goes to something else other than the card cage, but I'm having a devil of a time figuring out what. I'm about to spend some more time trying to devine where things go, but if someone could give me a general description of what else this cable looks like (how many ends, what kind of connector) it would be better then flying blind. -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From woodcock@fastlane.net Thu Oct 1 22:55:32 1998 Received: from fastlane.net (fastlane.net [209.197.224.10]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id WAA13172 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:55:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from orafin11-224.company.com (dallas.tx.tnt1.120.fastlane.net [209.197.225.120]) by fastlane.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA11073 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:55:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gregg Woodcock" To: Subject: Re: Sticking a 25 inch Amplifone into a Gravitar Cabinet? Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:53:03 -0500 Message-ID: <01bdedb8$282dd6a0$78e1c5d1 > MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN >The operator said he'd sell them for around $30 a piece. If someone REALLY >wants one and can either pick it up or can persuade me into shipping one (maybe >a nice trade item?) and be VERY patient, I may pick up a few. I can wait forever but would really like at least one of each (19" and 25"). Please let me know; I can pay or have lots of other vector stuff for trade. From rdooley Fri Oct 2 00:08:27 1998 Received: from ns2.vphos.net (ns2.vphos.net [207.102.129.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id AAA19919 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:08:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rod (ts3-4.kelowna.wkpowerlink.com [199.175.168.127]) by ns2.vphos.net (8.9.0.Beta5/1.25) with SMTP id WAA21907 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: "Rod" To: Subject: RE: Sega PS -- which plug is which ? Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:07:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bdedc2$889a64e0$7fa8afc7@rod> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi All My name is Rod Dooley and I subscribed to the list a few days ago and am now just going through it. I have a Star Trek and I will scan a print of the cabinet wiring diagram and send it to you. If you need more I can go down and take the back off check it out for you. I am located in Kelowna BC Canada. Rod rdooley -----Original Message----- From: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu [mailto:owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu] On Behalf Of Christopher X. Candreva Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 7:47 PM To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Sega PS -- which plug is which ? Finally dug up the schematics on spies (Looked under Star Trek, sega, and G80 -- and it's under convertaCab. Of course). One question remains. The power supply has two 10-pin headers (power in, power out) and two four-pin headers (volume control, and speaker). However, I can't find any P# markins on the PC board to say which is which. Judging from the circuit, I'm guessing that the 10 pin on the end is power in, and the one in the middle is power out. I'm clueless on the other 2: .... .... .......... .......... 4 1 4 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 Vout? Vin? I'ld be every so appreciative if someone could confirm which is which. Also: The one piece of cable I seem to be missing is the one that connects to the 10 pin Vout of the power supply. Looks like a simple pin for pin to the card cage. It also looks like it goes to something else other than the card cage, but I'm having a devil of a time figuring out what. I'm about to spend some more time trying to devine where things go, but if someone could give me a general description of what else this cable looks like (how many ends, what kind of connector) it would be better then flying blind. -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From Dangerwil Fri Oct 2 07:16:40 1998 Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id HAA26229 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:16:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Dangerwil Received: from Dangerwil by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id KQITa07908 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:16:05 EDT To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sega Multigame default game Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In a message dated 98-09-28 14:50:34 EDT, you write: << I kinda had a theory that you could put some ~10K pullup/pulldown resistors on the bank select latch and trick it into latching in a particular bank at powerup... Dunno if that would work in practice or not. Easy enough to try though. >> Can you tell me a little more about this? Which lines and what are the chip locations? I'm not much of a design guy, but I can solder a wire to gnats tail in flight. Thanks, Bill From MKDUD Fri Oct 2 10:51:48 1998 Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id KAA25100 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:51:47 -0500 (CDT) From: MKDUD Received: from MKDUD by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id KIODa03786 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <52e9e032.3614f657 > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:50:47 EDT To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Need reference #'s for Quantum DAC's Please Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hello, I'm having trouble referencing modern part #'s to those in my Quantum - I'm not seeing the same #'s anywhere. Tech America has LOTS of DACs listed, (http://www.techam.com) and has some 8-bit ones as low as $1.58. However, they are describing "double buffered" ones, 8-bit monolithic ones, high speed multiplying ones, etc... I'm guessing I don't want any CMOS ones, and that I need a DIP one that matches the amount of pins on the originals. What specs should I be looking for to replace a Atari MC1495L (8-bit DAC)? How about LF13201? What ones would I need to replace Atari ones listed as "12 bit DAC integrated curcuit 137158-002"? Can you give me common reference #'s that I could find in DigiKey or Tech America? Please help if you can, Thanks Very Much, Michael Kelley From ClayC Fri Oct 2 13:28:26 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id NAA22854 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:28:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14544 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma014541; Fri, 2 Oct 98 11:27:56 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa25506; 2 Oct 98 11:27 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:27:55 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Need reference #'s for Quantum DAC's Please Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:27:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > What specs > should I be looking for to replace a Atari MC1495L (8-bit DAC)? > Not a DAC! That's an analog multiplier. I've bought a bunch for the Star Wars display correctors-- I'll resell some for $5 each in singles if you need any. (They're cheaper than that from a distributor, but you'd probably pay $9.95 shipping and need to buy at least 25, so $5 isn't too outrageous I think. Takes $5 to get my attention now-a-days. ;-) > How about LF13201? > Those are digital switches. You should be able to use the ADG201AKN or DG201ACJ from JDR Microdevices (1-800-538-5000). They're cheap -- only about $1.35 each. > What ones would I need to replace Atari ones listed as "12 bit DAC > integrated curcuit 137158-002"? Can you give me common reference #'s > that I > could find in DigiKey or Tech America? > Those are probably AM6012's... I doubt you'll find a cheap cross reference. I bought some AM6012's in surface mount (only thing I could find) and made a run of Surfacemount->DIP adapters to make a drop-in replacement for the part Atari used. I've still got some left-- $8 each. -Clay From chris Fri Oct 2 15:43:11 1998 Received: from westnet.com (chris [206.24.6.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id PAA14235 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:43:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by westnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA17109 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:42:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Sega PS -- which plug is which ? In-Reply-To: <000001bdedc2$889a64e0$7fa8afc7@rod> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Rod wrote: > just going through it. I have a Star Trek and I will scan a print of the > cabinet wiring diagram and send it to you. If you need more I can go down > and take the back off check it out for you. I am located in Kelowna BC > Canada. Thanks ! That looks similar to the diagram I got from www.spies.com. However, maybe your's is bigger, because I can actually read the connector numbers on it. Unfortunately, my power supply doesn't have numbers next to the connectors. So, if you (or anyone) could look at yours and let me know which is which, I would apprecaite it. I'm leaving my ASCII art below. > .... .... .......... .......... > 4 1 4 1 1 1 1 1 > 0 0 > Vout? Vin? It also looks like P4 on the PS connects directly to P5 on the card cage, with only a tap for the coin mech lights from pins 6&7. I'ld appreciate if you can confirm this also, since I have on occasion found the diagrams to be wrong. :-) -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From chris Fri Oct 2 15:59:51 1998 Received: from westnet.com (chris [206.24.6.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id PAA16095 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:59:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by westnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA18665 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:59:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: ST PS -- one more question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Sorry if I'm boring the masses with questions not related to developing new vector games . . . :-) I think what's confusing me also is the recent discussion about replacing the linar PS with a switcher to save the G08 monitor. Yet, according to the schematic, and the wires I do have, it looks like the monitor just takes 45VAC from the transformer. Does that big honking transformer actually go, or is it the power supplied to the vector generator that kills the monitor when it goes out of whack ? -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From aek Fri Oct 2 18:57:47 1998 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id SAA20281 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:57:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (242 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:57:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #17 built 1998-Oct-2) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:57:55 -0700 (PDT) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: vector article in SIGGraph Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN http://www.siggraph.org/publications/newsletter/v32n2/contributions/rubin.html From rdooley Fri Oct 2 21:29:59 1998 Received: from ns2.vphos.net (ns2.vphos.net [207.102.129.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id VAA15713 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:29:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rod (ts2-18.kelowna.wkpowerlink.com [199.175.168.67]) by ns2.vphos.net (8.9.0.Beta5/1.25) with SMTP id TAA22912 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: "Rod" To: Subject: RE: Sega PS -- which plug is which ? Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:28:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bdee75$90aa34e0$43a8afc7@rod> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Chris Using your ascii chart as a reference starting on the left it is P24 for the first 4 pin conn. P19 is the next 4 pin conn, then P4 (vout) is the next 10pin followed by P25 (vin) 10 pin. Wiring is per the diagram re pin 6&7 tap on P4.( mine comes off P4 instead of P5) same thing though. You have the 44 pin extension board that plugs into the top of the card cage I hope:) and the wiring for it. I do not know how much detail to go into on the wiring but if you want more just let me know. Rod rdooley -----Original Message----- From: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu [mailto:owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu] On Behalf Of Christopher X. Candreva Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:43 PM To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Sega PS -- which plug is which ? On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, Rod wrote: > just going through it. I have a Star Trek and I will scan a print of the > cabinet wiring diagram and send it to you. If you need more I can go down > and take the back off check it out for you. I am located in Kelowna BC > Canada. Thanks ! That looks similar to the diagram I got from www.spies.com. However, maybe your's is bigger, because I can actually read the connector numbers on it. Unfortunately, my power supply doesn't have numbers next to the connectors. So, if you (or anyone) could look at yours and let me know which is which, I would apprecaite it. I'm leaving my ASCII art below. > .... .... .......... .......... > 4 1 4 1 1 1 1 1 > 0 0 > Vout? Vin? It also looks like P4 on the PS connects directly to P5 on the card cage, with only a tap for the coin mech lights from pins 6&7. I'ld appreciate if you can confirm this also, since I have on occasion found the diagrams to be wrong. :-) -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From jrr Sat Oct 3 19:43:52 1998 Received: from penelope.aktom.com (smtp.aktom.com [207.219.208.2] (may be forged)) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id TAA06958 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:43:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nvcr01m02-76.bctel.ca (nvcr01m02-76.bctel.ca [207.194.20.76]) by penelope.flippers.com (NTMail 3.03.0012/4c.abyd) with ESMTP id va011019 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:52:28 +0100 Message-ID: <3616C56B.F4FDAAEA > Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 17:46:35 -0700 From: John Robertson Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Where is the archive? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN hmmm, where is this mail list's archive hiding? Thanks! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From chris Sun Oct 4 21:11:58 1998 Received: from westnet.com (chris [206.24.6.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id VAA05792 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:11:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by westnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA20228 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:11:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher X. Candreva" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Sega PS -- which plug is which ? In-Reply-To: <000001bdee75$90aa34e0$43a8afc7@rod> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, Rod wrote: > Using your ascii chart as a reference starting on the left it is P24 for > the first 4 pin conn. P19 is the next 4 pin conn, then P4 (vout) is the > next 10pin followed by P25 (vin) 10 pin. Thanks ! Now to track down headers Monday when stores are open. Don't want to wait a week if I have to order them. (The one componant place open on Saturday's told me they were "very hard to find". Bah. I know a guy who probabl yhas them, but he likes to sleep in on weekends.) -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From Todd.Miller Mon Oct 5 07:59:25 1998 Received: from ronweb.com (www.ronweb.com [199.244.165.220]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id HAA23220 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:59:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gateway.ronweb.com ([10.1.10.202]) by gateway.ronweb.com with ESMTP id <40323>; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:51:53 -0400 Received: by CTHQ1E01 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:54:11 -0400 Message-ID: <2FD99C4CD318D111BE0300A0C981D39C6E63E7@CTHQ1E01> From: Todd Miller To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: ST PS -- one more question Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:54:09 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Yes, The big xfmr has 46VAC CT that feeds the monitor, so keep that. It also has taps to feed the regulator board (the linear part) & audio amp. You can't drive the monitor with a switcher, but you can use a switcher to drive the logic PCB's in the cage, this way you will have cleaner more stable power supplies. The idea is if the linear fails, the logic may go 'wild' causing the monitor into drawing beyond its limits thereby toasting itself. Todd Miller, IT Operations Dept. Ron Weber and Associates 103 E. State Street, Mason City, IA 50401 (515)423-4293/(515)423-4594 FAX http://www.telethinking.com -----Original Message----- From: Christopher X. Candreva [SMTP:chris ] Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 4:00 PM To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: ST PS -- one more question Sorry if I'm boring the masses with questions not related to developing new vector games . . . :-) I think what's confusing me also is the recent discussion about replacing the linar PS with a switcher to save the G08 monitor. Yet, according to the schematic, and the wires I do have, it looks like the monitor just takes 45VAC from the transformer. Does that big honking transformer actually go, or is it the power supplied to the vector generator that kills the monitor when it goes out of whack ? -Chris ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From MKDUD Mon Oct 5 10:05:09 1998 Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id KAA15287 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:05:07 -0500 (CDT) From: MKDUD Received: from MKDUD by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id KDJEa10153 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <632334a3.3618e003 > Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:04:35 EDT To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Quantum picture crooked, spot killer flickers... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hello, On my Quantum, I replaced both 12 bit DACs (AM012's) and I'm now getting a picture that is rather small, and seems to slope diagonally to the lower right of the screen (remeber that Quantum is a verticle game). In attract mode, the spot killer still trips when "Quantum" is being drawn on the screen, and the spot killer seems to flicker occassionally, with the picture flickering as well (spot killer is starting to kick in, but not quite, thus causing the picture flicker). I've tried all my board pots, no luck. My picture seems weak on the X side - my "X-size" pot won't even come close to putting the picture to the edges of the screen. (The pot is working though, as are all the other board pots). I am using a scope (but not a really good one) that my friend Ed loaned to me. The picture is readable now, but it's not even close to being playable. I can put a cross hatch up in test mode, as well as a diagonal grid, but in attract mode, things start flickering, and I get the spot killer every time "Quantum" is drawn on the screen. Any ideas on this? Perhaps its the 8-bit DAC? Please help if you can, I'm stuck on this one. I don't know what the signals should look like as normal, and becuase I'm getting signals, it's making it hard to find where the troubles are. Also, I'm trying to get the following chips, please help if you can: Here are the AVG parts that I am trying to get. Pulls are fine (as long as they work): UC1495N (4 of these) Atari part # 37-1495 Multiplier integrated curcuit AM6012 (2 of these) Atari part #137158-002 12-bit DAC DAC08CN (2 of these) Atari part #137159-001 8-bit DAC 13201-5 (2 of these) Atari part #37-13201 Quad analog switch Please let me know if you can get these, and what they will cost. I really appreciate your help! Thanks Very Much, Michael Kelley From jenison Mon Oct 5 11:32:58 1998 Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id LAA26717 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:32:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by motgate.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id LAA10708 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:32:56 -0500 (CDT) Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by mothost.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id LAA08723 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:32:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id LAA09805 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:26:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id LAA20269 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:26:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:26:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9810051126.ZM20267@calcite> In-Reply-To: MKDUD "Quantum picture crooked, spot killer flickers..." (Oct 5, 11:04am) References: <632334a3.3618e003 > X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Quantum picture crooked, spot killer flickers... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Oct 5, 11:04am, MKDUD wrote: > > UC1495N (4 of these) Atari part # 37-1495 Multiplier integrated curcuit > AM6012 (2 of these) Atari part #137158-002 12-bit DAC > DAC08CN (2 of these) Atari part #137159-001 8-bit DAC > 13201-5 (2 of these) Atari part #37-13201 Quad analog switch Does anybody know what kind of DACs are on the Sega XY control boards? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From tonizzo Mon Oct 5 12:29:42 1998 Received: from inergen.sybase.com (inergen.sybase.com [192.138.151.43]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id MAA03068 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:29:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp1.sybase.com (sybgate.sybase.com [130.214.220.35]) by inergen.sybase.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA11502 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gwwest.sybase.com by smtp1.sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.5-030896) id AA28461; Mon, 5 Oct 98 10:29:44 PDT Received: by gwwest.sybase.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 88256694.00601793 ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:29:34 -0700 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SYBASENOTES From: "Paul Tonizzo" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-Id: <88256694.00600EE4.00 > Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:37:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Quantum picture crooked, spot killer flickers... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN >>On Oct 5, 11:04am, MKDUD wrote: >> >> UC1495N (4 of these) Atari part # 37-1495 Multiplier integrated curcuit >> AM6012 (2 of these) Atari part #137158-002 12-bit DAC >> DAC08CN (2 of these) Atari part #137159-001 8-bit DAC >> 13201-5 (2 of these) Atari part #37-13201 Quad analog switch > >Does anybody know what kind of DACs are on the Sega XY control boards? Yup - AD561J - same as Asteroids. Paul From shostak@nortel.ca Mon Oct 5 14:32:40 1998 Received: from smtprtp (smtprtp.nortel.com [192.122.117.66]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id OAA26604 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:32:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199810051932.OAA26604@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu> Received: from brtpsa05 by smtprtp; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:32:18 -0400 Received: from us.nortel.com by brtpsa05.us.nortel.com id <25193-0 >; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:31:46 -0400 Date: 05 Oct 1998 15:31 EDT Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: "Mark Shostak" Subject: Vectorlist Info Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Sender: "Mark Shostak" X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Gang, I'm probably just being stupid, but... Someone asked me how to join the list and I realized I didn't know. Later on I remembered that I never joined the list in the first place as I had been ported from the old list. Any new people remember how they added themselves to the list? Also, as long as we're at it, did we ever find out... > hmmm, where is this mail list's archive hiding? Thanx, Mark From batlzone@cyberenet.net Mon Oct 5 14:41:29 1998 Received: from old-mailman.genacc-us.com ([205.134.131.18]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id OAA28017 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:41:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cyberenet.net (gahost180.genacc-us.com [205.134.131.180]) by old-mailman.genacc-us.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with ESMTP id AAA128; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:41:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3619204C.8A05F640@cyberenet.net> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 15:38:53 -0400 From: Al Warner Organization: Al Warner, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Vectorlist Info References: <199810051932.OAA26604@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I joined from Al K's page at http://www.spies.com/arcade . That might work! -Al- Mark Shostak wrote: > Gang, > > I'm probably just being stupid, but... > > Someone asked me how to join the list and I realized I didn't know. > Later on I remembered that I never joined the list in the first place > as I had been ported from the old list. > > Any new people remember how they added themselves to the list? > > Also, as long as we're at it, did we ever find out... > > > hmmm, where is this mail list's archive hiding? > > Thanx, > Mark -- ==================================================================== -= Al Warner batlzone@cyberenet.net =- -= Owner of "Magic Sword", "AmeriDarts", "Stargate", "Toobin'", =- -= "Frogger", "Battlezone", "Star Wars", "Galaga" and "Dig Dug" =- -= arcade video games. Learn how to install a Cap Kit and see some =- -= of these games at http://www.cyberenet.net/~batlzone =- ==================================================================== From ClayC Mon Oct 5 15:06:43 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id PAA01675 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:06:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA24552 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma024548; Mon, 5 Oct 98 13:06:40 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa10144; 5 Oct 98 13:06 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <4J1WKF2Z>; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:06:33 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Quantum picture crooked, spot killer flickers... Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:06:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > I can put a cross hatch up in test mode, as well as a diagonal grid, > but in > attract mode, things start flickering, and I get the spot killer every > time > "Quantum" is drawn on the screen. Any ideas on this? Perhaps its the > 8-bit > DAC? Please help if you can, I'm stuck on this one. I don't know what > the > signals should look like as normal, and becuase I'm getting signals, > it's > making it hard to find where the troubles are. > If it's like the other Atari stuff the DAC08 (MC1408) will handle scaling as well as color intensity. Do you gets color output OK? > Also, I'm trying to get the following chips, please help if you > can: > Here are the AVG parts that I am trying to get. Pulls are fine (as > long as > they work): > > UC1495N (4 of these) Atari part # 37-1495 Multiplier integrated > curcuit > AM6012 (2 of these) Atari part #137158-002 12-bit DAC > DAC08CN (2 of these) Atari part #137159-001 8-bit DAC > 13201-5 (2 of these) Atari part #37-13201 Quad analog switch > If you're still stuck I can get you all of these. $45 for the above list plus shipping. > Please let me know if you can get these, and what they will cost. I > really > appreciate your help! > If you want to order separates (and maybe say some $$$ over my price): Hamilton Hallmark has the MC1495P AM6012's are trickier. Don't know where to fine originals for any reasonable amount... DAC08CN's cross to MC1408's (8 bit) should be able to get from JDR. Quad Analog Switch should cross to a DG201. Should be able to get from JDR. From matt Tue Oct 6 20:43:57 1998 Received: from ni1.ni.net (ni1.ni.net [192.215.247.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id UAA26494 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:43:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rossiters.com (nightbird.junknet.com [199.107.66.6]) by ni1.ni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19258 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <361AC7B8.9741F904 > Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 18:45:29 -0700 From: Matt Rossiter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vectorlist Subject: Need Star Castle Help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Perhaps someone can give me some direction with this Star Castle that I'm working on. The original problem was - The LED on the CPU board was staying lit. Which, I assume, is an indication that the game is stuck in reset mode. I was getting +5v across the board. Distorted sound was coming out of the speaker - and the CRT was glowing. No picture of course. So - I took a logic probe and tested all of the chips within the reset circuitry. Everything seemed good, except the reset pins were reading low instead of high. So - on the chip at A2 on the board - I tried a little experiment. I forced the reset pin to be high instead of low. This did indeed cause the LED to go out - but the game still didn't work. To make matters worse - somehow the circuitry shorted out. Now I only get .6v across the board. - Yup, I'm a greenie. So.... I need some expert advice on the following. 1) I have a logic probe, an Eprom Burner, a DMM. I probably should start becoming more familiar with a scope. Does anyone have recommendations as far as getting a nice scope to work with? - And more importatnly, does anyone have recommendations for any other tools that might be helpful? I would love to get the Cinematronics exorsizor - but I'd only be dreaming I suppose. 2) As far as the problem I mentioned above. Any suggestions as to where to go from here? I have the manual/schematics and can get any parts I need. Thank you very much. Matt From matt Wed Oct 7 01:33:23 1998 Received: from ni1.ni.net (ni1.ni.net [192.215.247.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id BAA28726 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 01:33:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rossiters.com (nightbird.junknet.com [199.107.66.6]) by ni1.ni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA03201 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <361B0B91.EB2317A6 > Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 23:34:57 -0700 From: Matt Rossiter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vectorlist Subject: RE: Need Star Castle Help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN OK - for those who may have read my previous post. I began suspecting my problem may actually be in the power supply. When I plug the Molex connector to the board - I'm only getting about .6v. When I unplug the Molex connector, I'm reading +6v from the pins. So my roommate suggested I connect a 5 ohm resistor to the pins which are supossed to be putting out +5v. If the voltage drops to 0v - then it's most likely to be the power supply. So I did - sure enough, the voltage dropped to 0v. So... when looking at the schematics for the power supply - my roomate suggested that the most likely candidate for a problem would be the large transistor (Q1). So I gave it the diode test. With positive lead on emiter and negative lead on base, I get a reading of 1.6v. With the leads switched I get .6v. I'm not exactly sure If this transistor is *the* problem. I guess I'll have to do some more probing around. If any Cinematronics experts out there have any further suggestions let me know.... Thanks.... Matt BTW - This is the first time I've tried posting on the vectorlist. If it's more "appropriate" to post tech help questions on rgvac - let me know. ****** ****** Perhaps someone can give me some direction with this Star Castle that I'm working on. The original problem was - The LED on the CPU board was staying lit. Which, I assume, is an indication that the game is stuck in reset mode. I was getting +5v across the board. Distorted sound was coming out of the speaker - and the CRT was glowing. No picture of course. So - I took a logic probe and tested all of the chips within the reset circuitry. Everything seemed good, except the reset pins were reading low instead of high. So - on the chip at A2 on the board - I tried a little experiment. I forced the reset pin to be high instead of low. This did indeed cause the LED to go out - but the game still didn't work. To make matters worse - somehow the circuitry shorted out. Now I only get .6v across the board. - Yup, I'm a greenie. So.... I need some expert advice on the following. 1) I have a logic probe, an Eprom Burner, a DMM. I probably should start becoming more familiar with a scope. Does anyone have recommendations as far as getting a nice scope to work with? - And more importatnly, does anyone have recommendations for any other tools that might be helpful? I would love to get the Cinematronics exorsizor - but I'd only be dreaming I suppose. 2) As far as the problem I mentioned above. Any suggestions as to where to go from here? I have the manual/schematics and can get any parts I need. From Mike_Ranger Wed Oct 7 12:00:12 1998 Received: from firewall.dofasco.ca (firewall.dofasco.ca [192.139.152.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id MAA08872 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:00:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike_Ranger Received: by firewall.dofasco.ca; id AA146269774; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:02:54 -0400 Received: from usenet.dofasco.ca(142.153.128.178) by firewall.dofasco.ca via smap (V2.0beta) id xma014568; Wed, 7 Oct 98 13:02:42 -0400 Received: from msxhub1.dofasco.ca by PCSDAS.DOFASCO.CA (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:54:21 EST Received: by MSXHUB1.dofasco.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4D7DT9R3>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:57:15 -0400 Message-Id: <171626CE171CD2118C640000F8632634010CEC9F@DFSPO04.dofasco.ca> To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Need Star Castle Help Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:57:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Well. I know nothing about the PS in question, but typically on williams power supplies, given that symptom here is what I would suspect.... There are two major parts to the supply...a regulator (typically a 723) and a power transistor (darlington pair...or whatever). The regulator sets the voltage to a particular level, and feeds that to the transistor. The transistor then supplies the current neccesary to drive the circuit at the given voltage. If the transistor cannot provide the neccessary current, ohm's law says that the voltage will drop. So the regulator is probably fine, but the transistor is baked. This is my experience on williams linear supplies, so your milage may vary. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Rossiter [SMTP:matt ] > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 2:35 AM > To: Vectorlist > Subject: RE: Need Star Castle Help > > OK - for those who may have read my previous post. > > I began suspecting my problem may actually be in the power supply. When > I plug the Molex connector to the board - I'm only getting about .6v. > When I unplug the Molex connector, I'm reading +6v from the pins. So my > roommate suggested I connect a 5 ohm resistor to the pins which are > supossed to be putting out +5v. If the voltage drops to 0v - then it's > most likely to be the power supply. So I did - sure enough, the voltage > dropped to 0v. > > So... when looking at the schematics for the power supply - my roomate > suggested that the most likely candidate for a problem would be the > large transistor (Q1). So I gave it the diode test. With positive lead > on emiter and negative lead on base, I get a reading of 1.6v. With the > leads switched I get .6v. I'm not exactly sure If this transistor is > *the* problem. I guess I'll have to do some more probing around. If > any Cinematronics experts out there have any further suggestions let me > know.... > > > Thanks.... > > > Matt > > BTW - This is the first time I've tried posting on the vectorlist. If > it's more "appropriate" to post tech help questions on rgvac - let me > know. > > > ****** ****** > > Perhaps someone can give me some direction with this Star Castle that > I'm working on. > > The original problem was - The LED on the CPU board was staying lit. > Which, I assume, is an indication that the game is stuck in reset mode. > I was getting +5v across the board. Distorted sound was coming out of > the speaker - and the CRT was glowing. No picture of course. > > So - I took a logic probe and tested all of the chips within the reset > circuitry. Everything seemed good, except the reset pins were reading > low instead of high. So - on the chip at A2 on the board - I tried a > little experiment. I forced the reset pin to be high instead of low. > This did indeed cause the LED to go out - but the game still didn't > work. To make matters worse - somehow the circuitry shorted out. Now I > only get .6v across the board. - Yup, I'm a greenie. > > So.... I need some expert advice on the following. > > > 1) I have a logic probe, an Eprom Burner, a DMM. I probably should > start becoming more familiar with a scope. Does anyone have > recommendations as far as getting a nice scope to work with? - And more > importatnly, does anyone have recommendations for any other tools that > might be helpful? I would love to get the Cinematronics exorsizor - but > I'd only be dreaming I suppose. > > > 2) As far as the problem I mentioned above. Any suggestions as to > where to go from here? I have the manual/schematics and can get any > parts I need. From Mit_Matelske Wed Oct 7 12:25:04 1998 Received: from smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (ns2.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.3.16]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id MAA14216 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:25:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (screen2r.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.3.1]) by smtp-gw.BayNetworks.COM (8.9.1/BNET-98/09/30-E) with ESMTP id KAA22189 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.corpeast.Baynetworks.com (ns2.corpeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.72.17]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA03219 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bl-mail1.corpeast.BayNetworks.com (bl-mail1-nf0) by ns2.corpeast.Baynetworks.com (4.1/BNET-97/04/29-S) id AA22226; Wed, 7 Oct 98 13:24:24 EDT for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Received: from mitnt ([206.210.192.162]) by bl-mail1.corpeast.BayNetworks.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-51848U14000L14000S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:24:18 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981007122750.00eec210 > X-Sender: mmatelsk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:27:51 -0500 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Mit_Matelske (Mit Matelske) Subject: RE: Need Star Castle Help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Matt- For testing purposes use a switcher. Get that old monstrosity out of the picture... IMHO. Mit >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Matt Rossiter [SMTP:matt ] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 2:35 AM >> To: Vectorlist >> Subject: RE: Need Star Castle Help >> >> OK - for those who may have read my previous post. >> >> I began suspecting my problem may actually be in the power supply. When >> I plug the Molex connector to the board - I'm only getting about .6v. >> When I unplug the Molex connector, I'm reading +6v from the pins. So my >> roommate suggested I connect a 5 ohm resistor to the pins which are >> supossed to be putting out +5v. If the voltage drops to 0v - then it's >> most likely to be the power supply. So I did - sure enough, the voltage >> dropped to 0v. >> >> So... when looking at the schematics for the power supply - my roomate >> suggested that the most likely candidate for a problem would be the >> large transistor (Q1). So I gave it the diode test. With positive lead >> on emiter and negative lead on base, I get a reading of 1.6v. With the >> leads switched I get .6v. I'm not exactly sure If this transistor is >> *the* problem. I guess I'll have to do some more probing around. If >> any Cinematronics experts out there have any further suggestions let me >> know.... >> >> >> Thanks.... >> >> >> Matt >> >> BTW - This is the first time I've tried posting on the vectorlist. If >> it's more "appropriate" to post tech help questions on rgvac - let me >> know. >> >> >> ****** ****** >> >> Perhaps someone can give me some direction with this Star Castle that >> I'm working on. >> >> The original problem was - The LED on the CPU board was staying lit. >> Which, I assume, is an indication that the game is stuck in reset mode. >> I was getting +5v across the board. Distorted sound was coming out of >> the speaker - and the CRT was glowing. No picture of course. >> >> So - I took a logic probe and tested all of the chips within the reset >> circuitry. Everything seemed good, except the reset pins were reading >> low instead of high. So - on the chip at A2 on the board - I tried a >> little experiment. I forced the reset pin to be high instead of low. >> This did indeed cause the LED to go out - but the game still didn't >> work. To make matters worse - somehow the circuitry shorted out. Now I >> only get .6v across the board. - Yup, I'm a greenie. >> >> So.... I need some expert advice on the following. >> >> >> 1) I have a logic probe, an Eprom Burner, a DMM. I probably should >> start becoming more familiar with a scope. Does anyone have >> recommendations as far as getting a nice scope to work with? - And more >> importatnly, does anyone have recommendations for any other tools that >> might be helpful? I would love to get the Cinematronics exorsizor - but >> I'd only be dreaming I suppose. >> >> >> 2) As far as the problem I mentioned above. Any suggestions as to >> where to go from here? I have the manual/schematics and can get any >> parts I need. > > From jenison Thu Oct 8 10:31:16 1998 Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id KAA05382 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:31:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by ftpbox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id KAA20766 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:30:39 -0500 (CDT) Comments: ( Received on ftpbox.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by mothost.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id KAA13110 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:28:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id KAA27529 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:23:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id KAA10174 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:23:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:23:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9810081023.ZM10172@calcite> X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Wells Garner Display tubes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN All, I know someone was looking for these a while back. Anyway, I just called Mazzco (1-800-292-4491) here in Illinois and called about there catalog item labeled: 21-A038088-01 Color XY display $50.02 The lady couldn't give me much information about what it really was, but the A038088-01 is an Atari part number. I don't have a manual with me, but I'm going to guess it's just the tube and not an entire color XY monitor. Anyway, they have 3 left. It's cheaper than Richardson's Electronics who wants $165 for a new tube. Just FYI information. Mazzco is also currently out of the Tempest spinner knobs...anyone else know a source for these? (and don't tell me $10 + shipping is considered a good source :-P) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From Thomas43 Thu Oct 8 11:01:32 1998 Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id LAA08664 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:01:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Thomas43 Received: from Thomas43 by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 0IOZa22760; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <81c9f724.361ce16c > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:59:40 EDT To: jenison , vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Wells Garner Display tubes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 201 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I just called Mazzco and they are all sold out. I got one, someone else ordered two. Just FYI..... I'll let you know what arrives at my door. They didn't have any clue as to what they were. Scott From ethst3+@pitt.edu Thu Oct 8 11:21:04 1998 Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id LAA10685 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:21:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unixs3.cis.pitt.edu (ethst3@unixs3.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.54]) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:20:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Ed Henciak X-Sender: ethst3@unixs3.cis.pitt.edu To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu cc: jenison Subject: RE: Wells Garner Display tubes In-Reply-To: <81c9f724.361ce16c > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I grabbed the other two...I am hoping they are complete monitors. I only have enough parts to make one complete, so if they are just tubes, I might just sell the other for what I pay + shipping costs :)! Thanks a million Mark! Ed On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 Thomas43 wrote: > I just called Mazzco and they are all sold out. I got one, someone else > ordered two. Just FYI..... I'll let you know what arrives at my door. They > didn't have any clue as to what they were. > > Scott > From jhendrix Thu Oct 8 11:39:11 1998 Received: from mailhost.quark.com (mailhost.quark.com [206.195.78.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id LAA12167 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:39:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from denver.quark.com (denver.quark.com [206.195.71.192]) by mailhost.quark.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21404 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:38:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by denver.quark.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4Q1283QY>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:36:29 -0600 Message-ID: From: jeff hendrix To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Wells Garner Display tubes Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:36:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I just called and the guy went out and got one. It's the input protection board. 1" x 4" with 7 leads -jeff -----Original Message----- From: Mark Jenison [mailto:jenison ] Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 9:24 AM To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Wells Garner Display tubes All, I know someone was looking for these a while back. Anyway, I just called Mazzco (1-800-292-4491) here in Illinois and called about there catalog item labeled: 21-A038088-01 Color XY display $50.02 The lady couldn't give me much information about what it really was, but the A038088-01 is an Atari part number. I don't have a manual with me, but I'm going to guess it's just the tube and not an entire color XY monitor. Anyway, they have 3 left. It's cheaper than Richardson's Electronics who wants $165 for a new tube. Just FYI information. Mazzco is also currently out of the Tempest spinner knobs...anyone else know a source for these? (and don't tell me $10 + shipping is considered a good source :-P) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From ClayC Thu Oct 8 11:46:38 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id LAA13077 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:46:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA12442 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma012440; Thu, 8 Oct 98 09:46:01 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa09575; 8 Oct 98 9:46 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <4MSBRAPY>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:45:48 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Wells Garner Display tubes Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:45:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I have some of those I'll let go for, uhhhhh... $49.99! ;-) -Clay > ---------- > From: jeff hendrix[SMTP:jhendrix ] > Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 9:36 AM > To: 'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu' > Subject: RE: Wells Garner Display tubes > > I just called and the guy went out and got one. > It's the input protection board. > 1" x 4" with 7 leads > > -jeff > From ethst3+@pitt.edu Thu Oct 8 12:13:09 1998 Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id MAA15660 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:13:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unixs3.cis.pitt.edu (ethst3@unixs3.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.54]) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:12:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Ed Henciak X-Sender: ethst3@unixs3.cis.pitt.edu To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Wells Garner Display tubes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Well, Mazzco now has two more for sale at $50.02 :) (Well, as soon as the lady calls me back, my order will be cancelled :)) It did seem too good to be true !!! Ed On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Clay Cowgill wrote: > I have some of those I'll let go for, uhhhhh... $49.99! ;-) > > -Clay > > > ---------- > > From: jeff hendrix[SMTP:jhendrix ] > > Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 9:36 AM > > To: 'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu' > > Subject: RE: Wells Garner Display tubes > > > > I just called and the guy went out and got one. > > It's the input protection board. > > 1" x 4" with 7 leads > > > > -jeff > > > From Thomas43 Thu Oct 8 12:34:37 1998 Received: from mrzip.cc.utexas.edu (root@mrzip.cc.utexas.edu [128.83.217.16]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id MAA17487 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:34:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Thomas43 Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mrzip.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/mrzip.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id MAA06907 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:34:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Thomas43 by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id KKRIa22057 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7b3c118e.361cf722 > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:32:18 EDT To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Wells Garner Display tubes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 201 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In a message dated 10/8/98 9:17:04 AM, ethst3+@pitt.edu writes: << Well, Mazzco now has two more for sale at $50.02 :) (Well, as soon as the lady calls me back, my order will be cancelled :)) It did seem too good to be true !!! Ed >> Make that 3- I have about 20 of those damn things laying around!! I found the part number in my Major Havoc conversion instructions...... Scott From jenison Thu Oct 8 13:22:05 1998 Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id NAA28739 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:22:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by ftpbox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id NAA00375 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:22:03 -0500 (CDT) Comments: ( Received on ftpbox.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by mothost.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id NAA00324 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:20:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id NAA10860 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:16:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id NAA12931 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:16:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:16:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9810081316.ZM12929@calcite> In-Reply-To: jeff hendrix "RE: Wells Garner Display tubes" (Oct 8, 10:36am) References: X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Wells Garner Display tubes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Oct 8, 10:36am, jeff hendrix wrote: > Subject: RE: Wells Garner Display tubes > I just called and the guy went out and got one. > It's the input protection board. > 1" x 4" with 7 leads Oops. I apologize for the goose chase. With a description like "Color XY display", I figured it might actually have soemthing to do with a display...what was I thinking? :-) Oh well, I should have known, but Mazzo does have some pretty neat stuff, so I wouldn't put it past them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From jenison Thu Oct 8 14:45:32 1998 Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id OAA06446 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:45:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by ftpbox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id OAA18427 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:45:30 -0500 (CDT) Comments: ( Received on ftpbox.mot.com from client pobox.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by pobox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id OAA15674 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:45:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id OAA17974 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:43:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id OAA14468 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:43:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:43:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9810081443.ZM14466@calcite> In-Reply-To: "Mark Jenison" "Re: Star Wars Main Board Pin 9" (Jul 13, 11:40am) References: <35AA307C.8048FD49@cyberenet.net> <9807131140.ZM212@calcite> X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Vector transistors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi all, Thanks to MKDUD , I was able to get the HV running on the Star Wars I'm working on. Of course, just minutes later, the deflection board decided to call it quits :-( So I'm looking to stock up on vector monitor parts. In the catalogs I have, I couldn't find these parts. Anyone know of a source for these? MPS-U57 cross NTE189 or NTE50 MPS-U07 cross NTE188 or NTE49 IN754A IN756A Also, I can't read the online schematics for the Electrohome G08, but it looks like MPS-U60, TIP298 and MPS-U10? Any ideas for cross-references for these? Any tips on sources or cross references would be appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From ethst3+@pitt.edu Thu Oct 8 15:08:13 1998 Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id PAA09415 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:08:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unixs1.cis.pitt.edu (ethst3@unixs1.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.31]) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:08:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Ed Henciak X-Sender: ethst3@unixs1.cis.pitt.edu To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Vector transistors In-Reply-To: <9810081443.ZM14466@calcite> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Mark, 1st on the G08 it's a TIP29B. You can get (last I checked) the TIP29B and the MPSU10s from MCM Electronics. You can get the MPSU07 (SK3199), MPSU57 (SK3200), and MPSU60 (SK9351) from Mouser...their prices are 2.41, 2.66 and 4.45 respectively. So far, that's the best price I have found on the first two. MCM had the U60s for much less, but they are sold out. From Mouser, the U07s are currently on back order. You can check Mousers page yourself I guess to confirm the cross ref. numbers. Ed On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Mark Jenison wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks to MKDUD , I was able to get the HV running on the Star Wars I'm > working on. Of course, just minutes later, the deflection board decided to > call it quits :-( > > So I'm looking to stock up on vector monitor parts. In the catalogs I have, I > couldn't find these parts. Anyone know of a source for these? > > MPS-U57 cross NTE189 or NTE50 > MPS-U07 cross NTE188 or NTE49 > IN754A > IN756A > > Also, I can't read the online schematics for the Electrohome G08, but it looks > like MPS-U60, TIP298 and MPS-U10? Any ideas for cross-references for these? > > Any tips on sources or cross references would be appreciated. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison > Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From jhendrix Thu Oct 8 15:38:06 1998 Received: from mailhost.quark.com (mailhost.quark.com [206.195.78.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id PAA17255 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:38:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from denver.quark.com (denver.quark.com [206.195.71.192]) by mailhost.quark.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25630 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:37:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by denver.quark.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4Q128PXZ>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:35:25 -0600 Message-ID: From: jeff hendrix To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Vector transistors Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:35:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Circuit specialists www.cir.com 1-800-528-1417 MPS-U57 $1.88 MPS-U07 $1.48 MPS-U60 $2.70 MPS-U10 $2.00 -jeff -----Original Message----- From: Mark Jenison [mailto:jenison ] Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 1:43 PM To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Vector transistors Hi all, Thanks to MKDUD , I was able to get the HV running on the Star Wars I'm working on. Of course, just minutes later, the deflection board decided to call it quits :-( So I'm looking to stock up on vector monitor parts. In the catalogs I have, I couldn't find these parts. Anyone know of a source for these? MPS-U57 cross NTE189 or NTE50 MPS-U07 cross NTE188 or NTE49 IN754A IN756A Also, I can't read the online schematics for the Electrohome G08, but it looks like MPS-U60, TIP298 and MPS-U10? Any ideas for cross-references for these? Any tips on sources or cross references would be appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From joel-r Thu Oct 8 15:56:07 1998 Received: from atlrel2.hp.com (atlrel2.hp.com [156.153.255.202]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id PAA20181 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:56:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hpanr0.an.hp.com (hpanr0.an.hp.com [15.4.147.21]) by atlrel2.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with SMTP id QAA14035 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpanzzaw.an.hp.com by hpanr0.an.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.8/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA00156; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:56:02 -0400 Message-Id: <361D2715.F660103E > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:56:53 -0400 From: Joel Rosenzweig Organization: Hewlett Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Vector transistors References: <35AA307C.8048FD49@cyberenet.net> <9807131140.ZM212@calcite> <9810081443.ZM14466@calcite> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN What turned out to be the problem, and the fix? Joel- Mark Jenison wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks to MKDUD , I was able to get the HV running on the Star Wars I'm > working on. Of course, just minutes later, the deflection board decided to > call it quits :-( > > So I'm looking to stock up on vector monitor parts. In the catalogs I have, I > couldn't find these parts. Anyone know of a source for these? > > MPS-U57 cross NTE189 or NTE50 > MPS-U07 cross NTE188 or NTE49 > IN754A > IN756A > > Also, I can't read the online schematics for the Electrohome G08, but it looks > like MPS-U60, TIP298 and MPS-U10? Any ideas for cross-references for these? > > Any tips on sources or cross references would be appreciated. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison > Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From jenison Thu Oct 8 16:31:33 1998 Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id QAA24244 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:31:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by ftpbox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id QAA18284 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:31:32 -0500 (CDT) Comments: ( Received on ftpbox.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by mothost.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id QAA20288 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:31:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id QAA26526 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:29:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id QAA15999 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:29:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:29:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9810081629.ZM15997@calcite> In-Reply-To: Joel Rosenzweig "Re: Vector transistors" (Oct 8, 4:56pm) References: <35AA307C.8048FD49@cyberenet.net> <9807131140.ZM212@calcite> <9810081443.ZM14466 > X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Vector transistors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Oct 8, 4:56pm, Joel Rosenzweig wrote: > Subject: Re: Vector transistors > What turned out to be the problem, and the fix? The HV LED was on, meaning the HV overvoltage circuit was being tripped. I tried following the HV overvoltage reset procedure, but the things that the procedure said were going to happen never did. Then I turned the game on and it worked. So basically I just fooled with the pots until the LED went out (I believe I had R17 all the way counterclockwise, and R7 all the way clockwise). Not very scientific, but then again, neither am I :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From jess Thu Oct 8 16:50:56 1998 Received: from roper.uwyo.edu (pmdf@roper.uwyo.edu [129.72.10.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id QAA28221 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:50:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from asuwlink.uwyo.edu by ROPER.UWYO.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #27528) with ESMTP id <0F0J00E9X3CMTZ@ROPER.UWYO.EDU> for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:50:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lissie-dial (ras8735.uwyo.edu [129.72.87.35]) by asuwlink.uwyo.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA15545 for ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 15:50:44 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 15:47:30 -0600 From: Jess Askey Subject: Re: Vector transistors To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-id: <361D32F2.3174 > MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <35AA307C.8048FD49@cyberenet.net> <9807131140.ZM212@calcite> <9810081443.ZM14466 > <9810081629.ZM15997@calcite> Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN But, will Mark have to wear a lead helmet to play his game? I always thought that if the HV was high (~25kV) that the pic tube emmited X-rays? Or have I just been programmed? Mark Jenison wrote: > Then I turned the game on and it worked. So basically I just fooled with the > pots until the LED went out (I believe I had R17 all the way counterclockwise, > and R7 all the way clockwise). > > Not very scientific, but then again, neither am I :-) From jenison Thu Oct 8 17:08:27 1998 Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id RAA02422 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:08:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by ftpbox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id RAA06184 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:08:24 -0500 (CDT) Comments: ( Received on ftpbox.mot.com from client pobox.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by pobox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id RAA08804 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:08:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id RAA29068 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:07:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id RAA16497 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:07:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:07:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9810081707.ZM16495@calcite> In-Reply-To: Jess Askey "Re: Vector transistors" (Oct 8, 3:47pm) References: <35AA307C.8048FD49@cyberenet.net> <9807131140.ZM212@calcite> <9810081443.ZM14466 > <9810081629.ZM15997 > X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Vector transistors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Oct 8, 3:47pm, Jess Askey wrote: > Subject: Re: Vector transistors > But, will Mark have to wear a lead helmet to play his game? I always > thought that if the HV was high (~25kV) that the pic tube emmited > X-rays? Or have I just been programmed? No helmet required; I checked the HV with a probe and it's barely above 19KV. Thanks for the concern, though :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From computerspace Fri Oct 9 12:31:57 1998 Received: from hotmail.com (f74.hotmail.com [207.82.250.180]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id MAA17921 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:31:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 27712 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 1998 17:31:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19981009173124.27711.qmail > Received: from 207.211.22.155 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:31:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.211.22.155] From: "Tom Cloud" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: FS: Space Wars/Battlezone Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:31:23 PDT Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I thought I'd give the vectorlist first chance at either of these games before I post them to the newsgroups sometime this weekend. Please read the beginning message All games are located in Redding CA. I'd rather not ship, but might possibly be convinced to if necessary for an extra charge. I can deliver down to Sacramento, or bay area, or southern Oregon, again, for an extra charge. Job changes and financial responsibilities require me to let some of my best games go…. SPACE WARS or BATTLEZONE - I know this sounds strange, but I don't want to sell both, but I'll sell either one. Whichever one sells first, I'll keep the other one. Here are the details on both… SPACE WARS - by Cinematronics. The BIG one! Fully working and in excellent shape. I added two cooling fans to the back of the game - one 3" fan blowing on the monitor heat sinks and deflection board and one 5" fan removing the warm air at the Bottom. Keeps everything nice and cool inside. Side art is 98% there. I painted the missing areas in with matching blue color - you can't tell! I guarantee you won't find a nicer one. Picture is nice and sharp with very little movement. 1000.00 firm. (it's just about what I have in it, believe it or not!). BATTLEZONE - by Atari. Periscope viewer model. An almost perfect cabinet with beautiful side art, I installed the following: NOS WG 19v2000 monitor - I still have the box, NOS controls with new bellows, reconditioned board set, new speakers, NOS periscope viewer and marquee. All new lights, including the black light. I built this one for me to keep that's why all the NOS parts and the price…650.00 You won't find a nicer one! (I'll throw in an extra - nonworking though - boardset and the original periscope viewer as well - minus the marquee - it's on my wall now). Thanks for reading. Tom Cloud ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From a-dashoe Fri Oct 9 13:13:06 1998 Received: from mail1.microsoft.com (mail1.microsoft.com [131.107.3.125]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id NAA23277 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:13:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: by INET-IMC-01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4J9WNHW7>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:12:32 -0700 Message-ID: <3FF8121C9B6DD111812100805F31FC0D03E3F889@RED-MSG-59> From: "David Shoemaker (Comforce/RhoTech)" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: Gregg's Atari X/Y DOC Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:12:28 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Where can one find the latest version as a single file? I found 6.1 in a text file but found 6.3 as a series of web pages. As I want to print it out for my "repair book" I would like it all as one. Also the 6.3 was dated 8-1-96. Has anyone done any updates to cover the LV2000 or any new information developed sense? Thanks, David From aek Fri Oct 9 13:30:46 1998 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id NAA01690 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:30:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (427 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:30:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #17 built 1998-Oct-2) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Gregg's Atari X/Y DOC Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN If Gregg wants to forward me the later version, I'd be happy to put it on spies. I started translating the HTML version back to text, but never finished it. It might also be nice to include the yoke impedence/resistance measurements I made in an updated document. From ClayC Fri Oct 9 13:38:01 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id NAA02283 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:37:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01632 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma001627; Fri, 9 Oct 98 11:37:36 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa20680; 9 Oct 98 11:37 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <4MSBRA0C>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:37:23 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: Anyone need replacement DACs? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:37:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hey all, I've been parts scrounging. Would anyone be interested in: AD561 DACs (at about $8-9 each) (Used in Sega XY, Omega Race, Asteroids, etc.) AM6012 DACs (original parts, not a cross-reference, at about $7 each) (Used in pretty much all other Atari XY's) I'd have to buy in qty 100+, so I want to line up some definate interest before plopping down the cash... Thanks, -Clay From Kgowland Fri Oct 9 14:03:40 1998 Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id OAA04533 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:03:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Kgowland Received: from Kgowland by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id KRIMa13873 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:03:16 EDT To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Anyone need replacement DACs? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In a message dated 10/9/98 1:41:26 PM Central Daylight Time, ClayC writes: <> Hi Clay, I could use a handful of these (about 8 of each - total of 16). So put me on that list and let me know the details later. Kirby G From ClayC Fri Oct 9 14:23:41 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id OAA06880 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:23:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02404 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma002398; Fri, 9 Oct 98 12:23:24 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa25568; 9 Oct 98 12:23 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <4MSBRBAF>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:23:10 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Anyone need replacement DACs? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:23:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN A couple people have asked if these things are really hard enough to find that it merits buy 100 at a pop from a broker... As far as I know the answer is "yes". (Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not tripping over myself to spend $1500+ on chips if someone knows an easier/cheaper source! :-) Hamilton Hallmark has AD561's in plastic DIP package for $34/each in qty < 99. (Or ceramic DIP for ~$68) Arrow has Am6012's in Ceramic DIP for $11.30/each in qty < 99 That might not make AM6012's at ~$7 worth it, but the AD561's seem like a bear to find at any price. I'm open to suggestions. (It's not like I'm dying to order anything either, but I got curious this morning and started some people making calls anyway...) -Clay From ClayC Fri Oct 9 18:03:29 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id SAA06079 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:03:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA05852 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma005846; Fri, 9 Oct 98 16:03:09 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa18388; 9 Oct 98 16:03 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <4MSBRBDW>; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:02:57 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: Deflection amplifiers... Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:02:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Awwww, crap... Remember the Apex Microtechnology Power Op-amps? (PA-07 and PA-09) They'd pretty much make for a two-component replacement deflection board for vector monitors. Well, here's the rub... Got my price sheet today. PA07 Qty 1-4 = $98.85! PA09 Qty 1-4 = $167.80! Yes, that's *each*. *grumble* Well, the PA45 might do the trick still-- and it's only $32 each in reasonable quantities... -Clay From Breed Fri Oct 9 18:33:22 1998 Received: from medinaonline.com (medina.eznet.net [207.50.129.34]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id SAA09157 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:33:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bob1 [207.50.142.120] by medinaonline.com [207.50.142.113] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP0.R) for ; Fri, 09 Oct 98 19:36:43 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01bdf3dc$8b05a6c0$0501a8c0@bob1> From: "Breed" To: Subject: Re: Black Widow Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:28:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I was given an Atari Black Widow a little while ago and am trying to ID the monitor thats in it..... I need to get it up and running and need the schematics....I have looked it over and can find no identifying marks on it? Any ideas? Any help is welcome!!!!!!!! My email add. is Breed Thanks...Bob From jwelser Fri Oct 9 18:40:49 1998 Received: from piglet.cc.utexas.edu (jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu [128.83.42.61]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id SAA09921 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:40:49 -0500 (CDT) From: jwelser Received: from localhost (jwelser@localhost) by piglet.cc.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/piglet.mc-1.4) with SMTP id SAA10403 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:40:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 18:40:46 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: jwelser@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Black Widow In-Reply-To: <002d01bdf3dc$8b05a6c0$0501a8c0@bob1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Breed wrote: > I was given an Atari Black Widow a little while ago and am trying to ID the > monitor thats in it..... I need to get it up and running and need the > schematics....I have looked it over and can find no identifying marks on it? > Any ideas? Any help is welcome!!!!!!!! > My email add. is Breed Thanks...Bob > It's a Wells Gardner k6100 series monitor. I'd bet that the schematics are up on www.spies.com/arcade or www.gamearchive.com somewhere.... Joe From mr.bill@thegrid.net Fri Oct 9 19:16:14 1998 Received: from smtp.thegrid.net (smtp.thegrid.net [209.162.1.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id TAA13013 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:16:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 20628 invoked from network); 10 Oct 1998 00:16:12 -0000 Received: from pop.thegrid.net (209.162.1.5) by smtp.thegrid.net with SMTP; 10 Oct 1998 00:16:12 -0000 Received: from thegrid.net (oak-ts2-h1-49-220.ispmodems.net [209.162.49.220]) by pop.thegrid.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA00307 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <361EA793.65BAF524@thegrid.net> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:17:23 -0700 From: bill esquivel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Black Widow References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN not necessarily. I have a BW with an amp monitor in it. More than likely it is a wells... jwelser wrote: > On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Breed wrote: > > > I was given an Atari Black Widow a little while ago and am trying to ID the > > monitor thats in it..... I need to get it up and running and need the > > schematics....I have looked it over and can find no identifying marks on it? > > Any ideas? Any help is welcome!!!!!!!! > > My email add. is Breed Thanks...Bob > > > > It's a Wells Gardner k6100 series monitor. I'd bet that > the schematics are up on www.spies.com/arcade or www.gamearchive.com > somewhere.... > > Joe From Breed Fri Oct 9 19:33:04 1998 Received: from medinaonline.com (medina.eznet.net [207.50.129.34]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id TAA14734 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:33:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bob1 [207.50.142.120] by medinaonline.com [207.50.142.113] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP0.R) for ; Fri, 09 Oct 98 20:35:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bdf3e4$be5b7600$0501a8c0@bob1> From: "Breed" To: Subject: Re: Black Widow Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:27:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN OK.... But how do I tell? -----Original Message----- From: bill esquivel To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 8:21 PM Subject: Re: Black Widow >not necessarily. I have a BW with an amp monitor in it. More than likely it is a >wells... > >jwelser wrote: > >> On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Breed wrote: >> >> > I was given an Atari Black Widow a little while ago and am trying to ID the >> > monitor thats in it..... I need to get it up and running and need the >> > schematics....I have looked it over and can find no identifying marks on it? >> > Any ideas? Any help is welcome!!!!!!!! >> > My email add. is Breed Thanks...Bob >> > >> >> It's a Wells Gardner k6100 series monitor. I'd bet that >> the schematics are up on www.spies.com/arcade or www.gamearchive.com >> somewhere.... >> >> Joe > > > From aek Fri Oct 9 19:40:44 1998 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id TAA14983 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:40:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (311 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:40:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #17 built 1998-Oct-2) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:40:53 -0700 (PDT) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Black Widow Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN " OK.... But how do I tell?" if the boards are bolted to the side of the cabinet, it's an Ampliphone. If they are attached to the CRT on a chassis, it's a W-G From Breed Fri Oct 9 19:50:28 1998 Received: from medinaonline.com (medina.eznet.net [207.50.129.34]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with SMTP id TAA15094 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:50:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bob1 [207.50.142.120] by medinaonline.com [207.50.142.113] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP0.R) for ; Fri, 09 Oct 98 20:52:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bdf3e7$2a5a5540$0501a8c0@bob1> From: "Breed" To: Subject: Re: Black Widow Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:44:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Ok it is a Wells but!!! I just looked at the k6100 schematics and there are some differences.......Is there a possibility of a different model? -----Original Message----- From: Al Kossow To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 8:45 PM Subject: Re: Black Widow >" >OK.... But how do I tell?" > >if the boards are bolted to the side of the cabinet, it's an Ampliphone. >If they are attached to the CRT on a chassis, it's a W-G > > > From sswazey Fri Oct 9 21:06:25 1998 Received: from zinc.qualcomm.com (zinc.qualcomm.com [129.46.50.23]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.24) with ESMTP id VAA17635 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:06:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from slacker-san (sswazey-nt.qualcomm.com [129.46.234.252]) by zinc.qualcomm.com (8.8.5/1.4/8.7.2/1.14) with SMTP id TAA05556; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810100205.TAA05556 > X-Sender: sswazey X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 19:05:27 +0100 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Scott Swazey Subject: Re: Deflection amplifiers... Cc: Clay Cowgill In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Clay, I've been doing some thinking about converting a raster monitor to a vector monitor. My baseline was a G-07. Save the tube, yoke, neck board, HV section, and a few of the transistors on the main board. I believe one could use the main board (with minor jumpering) as a HV supply and a RGB gain stage. A new deflection board could be added to the side of the chassy and wired into the main board power supply. (This is really just an extension of John R's "raster hack" [see Re: Star Wars - fly back suggestions?]) The yoke is another problem. The Horizontal windings have a few turns on the Vertical. The good news is that this is a tap on the terminal block and is therefore easily bypassed. The number of turns on the yoke is a bigger problem. B=N*I, so the current goes down as the number of turns goes up (good). The inductance of the yoke goes up as the square of the number of turns (bad). Given that the required deflection voltage is Vdef = L * dI /dt and factoring back in the number of turns (N) I get Vdef = L * N^2 * dI/N /dt which reduces to Vdef = L * N * dI/dt. Which basically sucks, because the number of turn on a raster yoke is probably 4 times that of an XY. I could design a +/-120V deflection amp, but is really the right answer? So here are my questions: 1. Are XY yokes available in good quantities at reasonable prices? 2. If one were to design a HV section from scratch, is there a readily available HV transformer, again, at a reasonable price? 3. Assuming one could modify a raster monitor, what one is the best to use? (e.g. easiest to get, smallest dot pitch,etc) 4. What is most needed: complete XY monitors, Ampliphone HV replacement, or WG HV replacement? Thanks, -Scott At 04:02 PM 10/9/98 -0700, Clay Cowgill wrote: >Awwww, crap... > >Remember the Apex Microtechnology Power Op-amps? (PA-07 and PA-09) > >They'd pretty much make for a two-component replacement deflection board >for vector monitors. Well, here's the rub... > >Got my price sheet today. PA07 Qty 1-4 = $98.85! PA09 Qty 1-4 = >$167.80! Yes, that's *each*. > >*grumble* > >Well, the PA45 might do the trick