From owner-vectorlist Sun Oct 1 15:30:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA28411 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:30:16 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17486 for vectorlist-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:26:51 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <00d501c02bdd$39163f60$6e22e9cc > From: "Christopher Miller" To: Subject: VECTOR: Tempest Repair Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 14:22:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C02BB3.0D90AEE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C02BB3.0D90AEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there anyone in the Kansas City area that would be willing to help a = guy install the LV2000 and Zanen kit in my video problem plagued = Tempest? (I'd gladly pay for the help). Thanks... ------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C02BB3.0D90AEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there anyone in the Kansas City area that would be willing to = help a guy=20 install the LV2000 and Zanen kit in my video problem plagued = Tempest?  (I'd=20 gladly pay for the help).  Thanks...
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Gang,

Picked up a Taito Asteroids = board in a box of stuff yesterday. I've never seen one of these. I = assumed the bootleg 2 board set was a bootleg of the Tairo = boardset.

This looks the same layout as = the Atari boardset - so my questions are:

1. Does any one know if this = just plugs in (no pinouts) to an Atari Asteroids cab?

2. Does it use the Atari ROMS = (empty sockets on mine).

All help appreciated.

Cheers
Paul

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From owner-vectorlist Sun Oct 1 18:33:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA13828 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:33:35 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17981 for vectorlist-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 15:25:00 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001001152149.00bfe100 > X-Sender: a1a96636@pop.telus.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 15:23:50 -0700 To: vectorlist , "'vectorlist > From: John Robertson Subject: Re: VECTOR: Taito Asteroids PCB Questions In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO AFIK the Taito is a licensed version from Atari. In fact I have a Taito board sitting on a shelf at my shop...just have to store the Eproms. Check the MAME sites first to see if it already filed away somewheres. John :-#)# At 03:13 PM 10/1/00, Paul Sommers wrote: >Gang, > >Picked up a Taito Asteroids board in a box of stuff yesterday. I've never >seen one of these. I assumed the bootleg 2 board set was a bootleg of the >Tairo boardset. > >This looks the same layout as the Atari boardset - so my questions are: > >1. Does any one know if this just plugs in (no pinouts) to an Atari >Asteroids cab? > >2. Does it use the Atari ROMS (empty sockets on mine). > >All help appreciated. > >Cheers >Paul John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) http://www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . 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From owner-vectorlist Sun Oct 1 22:42:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA07524 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:41:59 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18527 for vectorlist-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:32:02 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <003a01c02c18$65818c40$3d3572ce@super-portable> From: "Jeff Bovee" To: "VECTORLIST" Subject: VECTOR: Space Duel Question Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:28:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Hello Everyone, I've been away for awhile, but I'm finally moved, sort of, to my new apartment near Youngstown, OH and although there isn't tons of room for games, I have managed to stake out a small area to work on my Space Duel cocktail. Broke my heart to put the rest into storage, but hopefully, we'll be into a house complete with work area and rec room within a year. To the heart of the problem: I was able to get the Space Duel up to a point where it is playing blind, I'm watching the x and y output on my o-scope and seeing what looks like a spider on the display. There is a central point, very intense moving off to the left on the screen are many "legs" moving about in reaction to game activity, along the left side of the screen but flattened out are several more intense flattened shapes which are attached to the "legs". It's almost like watching the beams drawing the screen from a side view if that were possible, it's kind of cool to watch, almost hypnotic, but I'd rather be playing the game the way it was intended. I'm thinking it must be some sort of counter problem or something, has anyone run into this and have a good place for me to start checking? I would really appreciate any assistance I can get, I need a vector fix!! N64 just doesn't cut it, and there's not really room to bring down the rest of the collection right now. Thanks in advance for any help you can send my way! See ya, Jeff Bovee --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Sun Oct 1 23:47:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA14070 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:47:08 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18686 for vectorlist-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:37:21 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: From: Chris Loggans To: "'VECTORLIST '" Subject: RE: VECTOR: Space Duel Question Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:34:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO The last SD board that I had with those symptoms had a bad custom Vector Generator Addresser IC. It's the 40 pin IC near the output section of the board. If you have another Atari color vector game (post-Tempest) then you should try swapping this chip with another one to see if it fixes your problem. Good Luck, -Chris PS - If that is the problem and you need a replacement, I know Clay Cowgill did a run of replacements for this chip. I think he still has some available. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Bovee To: VECTORLIST Sent: 10/1/00 10:28 PM Subject: VECTOR: Space Duel Question Hello Everyone, I've been away for awhile, but I'm finally moved, sort of, to my new apartment near Youngstown, OH and although there isn't tons of room for games, I have managed to stake out a small area to work on my Space Duel cocktail. Broke my heart to put the rest into storage, but hopefully, we'll be into a house complete with work area and rec room within a year. To the heart of the problem: I was able to get the Space Duel up to a point where it is playing blind, I'm watching the x and y output on my o-scope and seeing what looks like a spider on the display. There is a central point, very intense moving off to the left on the screen are many "legs" moving about in reaction to game activity, along the left side of the screen but flattened out are several more intense flattened shapes which are attached to the "legs". It's almost like watching the beams drawing the screen from a side view if that were possible, it's kind of cool to watch, almost hypnotic, but I'd rather be playing the game the way it was intended. I'm thinking it must be some sort of counter problem or something, has anyone run into this and have a good place for me to start checking? I would really appreciate any assistance I can get, I need a vector fix!! N64 just doesn't cut it, and there's not really room to bring down the rest of the collection right now. Thanks in advance for any help you can send my way! 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From owner-vectorlist Mon Oct 2 08:22:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA20262 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:22:19 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19946 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 05:12:35 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 05:12:35 GMT Message-ID: <002901c02c69$ba0d5cc0$c21e8cd0@mktg> From: "JEFF BOVEE" To: "VECTORLIST" Subject: VECTOR: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 08:10:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO hmmm, I'll have to give that a try, it seems that when I had a different chip in that location from one of my other SD boards that the coin reject started to click every other second or so.... Thanks Chris, I'll let you know how it turns out. See ya, Jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Oct 2 10:29:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from orion.smart.net (orion.smart.net [207.176.80.105]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07455 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:29:54 -0400 Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by orion.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08473 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:01:49 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20183 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:53:02 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <002f01c02c77$bb4ba0c0$640013ac@westech.billings.k12.mt.us> From: "Duff Gray" To: Subject: VECTOR: More Tempest Questions Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:50:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Hi, After my bonehead mistake with the deflection transistors, I am back to for more sage advice. I tested all of my deflection transistors and they are okay. Now when I start up my Tempest, fuse F600 on the deflection board blows. The spot killer LED is also lit. I replace R612 (3.3 Ohm 1/2 watt) on the deflection board, as per the repair bible, but I still get a blown fuse. Any thoughts on what else to check? Thanks...Duff --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Mon Oct 2 16:11:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA02985 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:11:04 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21177 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:57:14 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Originating-IP: [24.6.217.124] From: "Clay Cowgill" To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: I think I'm in love... Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 12:54:21 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2000 19:54:21.0997 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EE775D0:01C02CAA] Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO >Are 6012s really that hard to get? I've been buying am6012s from this >company >for a couple years, $1.50 each. Not anymore... :-( I just talked to them and they said someone bought all they had a couple weeks ago. He's looking for more, but I suspect if he finds 'em they won't be at $1.50... -Clay _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue Oct 3 00:37:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA09304 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:37:19 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23084 for vectorlist-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:33:02 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: From: "Evrovski, Andrew" To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: VECTOR: Major Havoc Screen problems Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:24:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C02CF1.C1FCD84C" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C02CF1.C1FCD84C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Thanks for everybody's help in my Major Havoc woes. I still have some woes though. The board with the X/Y scaling problem now does not display anymore. I can hardly see any lines being drawn. Various test screens draw squirley lines towards the bottom of the screen, but not may and they are scrambled up at the bottom. This board does seem to play (get sound, can rack up credits and play. I get the shooting sounds and ship sounds so I know it's playing). Spot killer is not on. I have 2 other boards which do not output any video (spot killer IS on here). But again, these boards do work (ie. hear sounds, can play game get all the proper sounds and sequences). Other than the resistors, how can I look at the parts/chips and determine if they are/aren't working? I suppose I can start replacing all the chips and whatnot in the area which I think is the video output stage, but that'll cost me and time-consuming not to mention I'll probably break something while taking some of the components off. :-) ANyway, any additional help you folks can provide I would appreciate. Thanks Andy ------_=_NextPart_001_01C02CF1.C1FCD84C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi,
 
    Thanks for everybody's help in my Major Havoc woes.  I still have some woes though.  The board with the X/Y scaling problem now does not display anymore.  I can hardly see any lines being drawn.  Various test screens draw squirley lines towards the bottom of the screen, but not may and they are scrambled up at the bottom.  This board does seem to play (get sound, can rack up credits and play.  I get the shooting sounds and ship sounds so I know it's playing).  Spot killer is not on.
 
    I have 2 other boards which do not output any video (spot killer IS on here).  But again, these boards do work (ie. hear sounds, can play game get all the proper sounds and sequences).   Other than the resistors, how can I look at the parts/chips and determine if they are/aren't working?  I suppose I can start replacing all the chips and whatnot in the area which I think is the video output stage, but that'll cost me and time-consuming not to mention I'll probably break something while taking some of the components off. :-)
 
    ANyway, any additional help you folks can provide I would appreciate. 
 
Thanks
Andy
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From owner-vectorlist Tue Oct 3 08:33:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17716 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:33:54 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24319 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:24:44 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <001a01c02d34$ae5f3bc0$c41e8cd0@mktg> From: "JEFF BOVEE" To: "VECTORLIST" Subject: VECTOR: Spaceduel the continuing saga Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:23:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Well, working on Chris's suggestion that my problem lay in the AVG chip, I played "Swap the Chips" last night. Out of three AVG chips, 2 of them give the same result, game is playing but the video is all skewed to one side of the screen. The other chip just causes the coin reject to click, click, click...... I'm not totally convinced that the problem lies in the AVG, I still need to do some probing around. While looking at the waveforms that were coming out of the X & Y testpoints it seemed that something was pulling the X output to - almost all the time. I've been wondering if something in the output section could go bad giving this same type of result. Any other suggestions? See ya, Jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue Oct 3 14:12:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10140 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:12:17 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25216 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:00:37 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <000f01c02d63$97d67380$f91e8cd0@mktg> From: "JEFF BOVEE" To: References: Subject: Re: VECTOR: Spaceduel the continuing saga Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:58:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO No, I have to admit they are all unknown.... my Tempest is a 6 hour drive away for real verification :-( (I think I have separation anxiety) Anyone located in the Youngstown, Ohio area with a game that uses the AVG willing to help me test parts?????? Please??????? I was hoping that the symptoms could be caused by other more easily tested and repaired components, but knowing my trackrecord only the most critical hard to find parts die. There actually seems to be an indirectly proportional relationship between part life and cost. Having contacted Clay about the replacement parts I already have the form filled out to send, but ouch! if I need three of these for my three boards I'm going to be very poor :-( BTW If someone wants a project game, I have an extra Spaceduel UR that will need a home. Thanks again for any assistance or good advice you can give. Sincerely, Jeff Bovee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Loggans" To: "'JEFF BOVEE '" Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:39 AM Subject: RE: VECTOR: Spaceduel the continuing saga > Jeff, > > Were any of the chips that you swapped known working? > > Thanks, > -Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: JEFF BOVEE > To: VECTORLIST > Sent: 10/3/00 8:23 AM > Subject: VECTOR: Spaceduel the continuing saga > > Well, working on Chris's suggestion that my problem lay in the AVG chip, > I > played "Swap the Chips" last night. Out of three AVG chips, 2 of them > give > the same result, game is playing but the video is all skewed to one side > of > the screen. The other chip just causes the coin reject to click, click, > click...... > > I'm not totally convinced that the problem lies in the AVG, I still need > to > do some probing around. While looking at the waveforms that were coming > out > of the X & Y testpoints it seemed that something was pulling the X > output > to - almost all the time. I've been wondering if something in the > output > section could go bad giving this same type of result. Any other > suggestions? > > See ya, > Jeff > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in > the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue Oct 3 14:25:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from orion.smart.net (orion.smart.net [207.176.80.105]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA12480 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:25:09 -0400 Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by orion.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10450 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:25:08 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25254 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:08:53 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <01e301c02d4b$c7040360$0d01a8c0@kevin2> From: "Kev" To: References: <000f01c02d63$97d67380$f91e8cd0@mktg> Subject: VECTOR: BZ overlays REPORT Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:08:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Tom sent me a free set of color sheets for me to try & provide a report to the group. I still would like to supply photos but I am waiting for the camera to be returned. I needed new color sheets for my Battlezone upright as I managed to ruin my old set try to clean them. The new set of color sheets arrived in a battered Priority mail box. The box was even punctured. The 2 color sheets were slightly wrinkled and had stuck to one another at one of the glue spots. I discussed this with Tom that a better shipping method needs to be found. I suggested a rigid tube but Tom mentioned problems with those too. The 2 sheets were easily parted with no damage. The colors are very close to my 20 year old originals but the new color sheets are much thinner & more flexible. The color sheets have adhesive applied to left & right spots of one side. These adhesive spots are covered with a protective mask. I removed the front face (periscope) from my BZ for cleaning, blub replacement & new color sheets. I cleaned & dried the monitor, removing all old tape residue. Next I took the green color sheet, cleaned it on both sides with a light mist of windex. Dried it. I did not remove the adhesive covers at this time but just positioned the green color sheet on the monitor face & observed the mirror. In the mirror you will be able to see the green color sheet & see the dividing artwork that separates the "Tank Zone" area from the "Radar screen" area. The green color sheet should not cover any of the open areas in the Radar screen area. Remember everything you view in BZ is from the mirror. Next I cleaned & dried the red color sheet & placed it in the Radar screen area, again not exposing the adhesive but just as a dry run. I did not overlap the red & green color sheets but butted them against one another. Happy with the placement, took the green color sheet, removed the 4 adhesive covers & placed the left side of the green color sheet on the monitor. I stretched the color sheet to the right, watch my alignment & tacked down the right side. The stretching is only to provide a close fit with no wrinkles or bubbles, it does not involve much force! Repeat with the Red color sheet. At first I was a bit concerned with the wrinkles that my color sheets had due to shipping mishap. The wrinkles were still somewhat visible after installation as I looked at the color sheets on the monitor face before replacing the periscope. After reinstalling the periscope you will not notice the wrinkles unless you look directly upon the monitor, not at the mirror, and then you need to be looking for them to notice them. The thinner material was a bit easier to work with and does not appear to have any problems. I have had this in for about one week, the game has been powered almost all of the time 24 hrs a day. Color in game play? Excellent, a rich green & red like it should be' I will mention that at the moment I have a black bulb black light installed, not the white bulb. Total time about 25 minutes. Thanks, Kev mowerman Tom did reply to my concerns about damaged shipment... I plan on having the lighting company ship these to me flat from now on, and I will NOT be shipping any out that are wrinkled. I contacted the post office, and they recommended the large triangle box for posters, its MUCH larger than needed, but I guess I'll use that until I find something better. UPS Folded the tubes that the initial sheets were in, I had hoped USPS would have handled them better in the box, guess not... ----- Original Message ----- From: TomW > Guys/Gals > Very soon I will have the Red and Green color sheets in for sale, I'm > just waiting on some feedback right now. They will have glue strips on the > sides to attach to the glass just like the real ones. They should be $15 a > set (Includes shipping) a > Set... > > Here are some initial pictures of its development > > www.enteract.com/~twisnion/factory1.jpg > > www.enteract.com/~twisnion/factory2.jpg > > www.enteract.com/~twisnion/replace1.jpg > > The Camera moved, the double image is not 'normal' ;-) > www.enteract.com/~twisnion/replace2.jpg > > Since these pictures were taken, I've went with a darker green. > > I'll also have the Cabaret ones !! > > > Give me 2-3 more weeks... > > Thanks > TomW --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue Oct 3 14:28:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13013 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:28:27 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25291 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:16:16 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <01e701c02d4c$ce9660e0$0d01a8c0@kevin2> From: "Kev" To: References: <000f01c02d63$97d67380$f91e8cd0@mktg> Subject: VECTOR: Red Baron probs.... Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:15:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Quick RB questions..... In Diagnostics mode there are 2 numbers to the left 9 X You can watch X count up from 1 to 6. What does that mean? My main problem is no objects. I have Text & propeller but nothing else. I've done the ribbon cable & swapped the bit slicers & PROMs so I'm getting down to the point of actually t-shooting now.... Thanks, Kev mowerman --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue Oct 3 18:50:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA25657 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:50:07 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26132 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:42:10 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <001e01c02d9c$c17e4580$d945d7d8 puter> From: "Matt J. McCullar" To: Subject: Re: VECTOR: Spaceduel the continuing saga Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:48:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I fixed a couple of _Space Duel_ boards recently that had a similar problem. Turned out to be bad op-amps at the video output -- one of them caused an axis to rail against the wall. Another one had a bad solder joint. I forget the exact part number, but I think they're TL082 chips. They're generic dual op-amp chips and are quite inexpensive. Try swapping them out (they're in the video output section of the board) and see what that does for you. HTH, Matt J. McCullar Arlington, TX --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue Oct 3 19:40:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA32588 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:40:19 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26268 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:31:33 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <000401c02d91$768e02a0$ae3472ce@super-portable> From: "Jeff Bovee" To: Subject: Re: VECTOR: Spaceduel the continuing saga Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:27:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Thanks Matt, I'll definitely check that out!! See ya, Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Matt J. McCullar To: vectorlist > Date: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 6:52 PM Subject: Re: VECTOR: Spaceduel the continuing saga >I fixed a couple of _Space Duel_ boards recently that had a similar problem. >Turned out to be bad op-amps at the video output -- one of them caused an >axis to rail against the wall. Another one had a bad solder joint. I >forget the exact part number, but I think they're TL082 chips. They're >generic dual op-amp chips and are quite inexpensive. Try swapping them out >(they're in the video output section of the board) and see what that does >for you. > >HTH, > >Matt J. McCullar >Arlington, TX > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Tue Oct 3 20:09:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA04271 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:09:31 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26327 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:59:56 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) X-Originating-IP: [205.229.114.204] From: "Clay Cowgill" To: vectorlist Subject: VECTOR: Battlezone (repair rant!) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:56:44 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 23:56:44.0657 (UTC) FILETIME=[956B0610:01C02D95] Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Is it just me or is Battlezone a pain in the ass to keep running? Maybe it's because all three of mine cost a grand total of about $200, but still-- they're tempermental! I'm been trying to get one machine (the "nice" one) ready to bring into work: 1) Power on. Spot killer on. No signs of life. Reseat all connectors and try again-- self-test comes up with Mathbox Timeout error. (It's 9PM-- no problem! I'll be blowing up tanks in 20 minutes!) 2) Removed PCB's. Edge connectors are grimy/scorched. Looks like someone sanded them down with a rock. Lots of bad solder joints on the board to board connectors. I sand down edge connectors with fine-grit sandpaper and re-tin them. Desoldered board to board connectors and re-soldered them. Replace boards. Fire up, runs fine! ...for about a minute, then dies. Spot killer on. (Ok, it's only 10PM, be fixed in a couple minutes!) 3) Check voltages. +3.6V on the +5V rail. Power down. Test a few minutes later. +5V present, runs a few minutes, then drops to +3.6V. Shotgun debug power supply with a spare. (Take *that*, game gremlins!) Game fires up and works. ...until the monitor image "blooms" to about 2x size. (Hmmmmm. 10:30PM. The dog is giving me the "aren't you done *yet*" look.) 4) Remove monitor HV supply. Suspect D904 failure. Open D904 "holders". Totally rusted out. One end of D904 lead falls off from corrosion. Craaaaaaaap. Take Dremmel to D904 and cut back package to reveal clean metal. Cut off old "holders" and directly solder D904 in place. Pot in silicone. Resolder all other connections on board. Reassemble and replace in monitor. Fire it up. Works exactly as before. (11:45PM. The Dog's giving me that "you suck" look...) 5) Replace monitor HV supply with a spare while waiting for new D904 replacment. Almost get killed taking spare monitor off shelf. (Note to self: you can't hold a G05-802 at arms-length with one arm.) Fire up game. Bottom half of display missing. !@#$!@#$!! Drag scope over and check X and Y outputs-- whole image present at PCB, must be the deflection section of the monitor. *sigh* (Sometime after midnight-- The dog left to go to her kennel an hour ago. Bag it... try again tomorrow!) About the only thing that's gone right has been installing Tom's repro centering bellows which seem to be working quite nicely. Of course it's a little dull without the damn game running! ;-) Anyway, just had to rant a little there. Another day in the life of collecting 20 year old electronics... -Clay _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. 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From owner-vectorlist Tue Oct 3 22:35:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA23830 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:35:17 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26616 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:19:32 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: "John Mehrtens" To: Subject: VECTOR: FS: Tempest Cabinet (FREE to a good home) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:18:52 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Hey there! If there's anyone looking for a Tempest cabinet -- cabinet only, no marquee, no glass, no wiring, no nuttin' -- and lives near Rhode Island, let me know and you can pick it up from my parents' house. I'm moving a bunch of stuff there from my apartment so I can clean this place up and start house-hunting, and I don't have room for it nor the time and patience needed to bring it back up to snuff. It's the one I talked about this past spring, with the bit 'o' rot on the bottom and a nasty prior owner who ripped the entire back off of it. I've salvaged the parts I can use from it, so it's just a shell. I don't want to take the sledge to it 'cause that'd be sacrilege. It would be sad to die for want of a new home (and someone who has the parts but no cabinet). Let me know via return email. Thanks! 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From owner-vectorlist Wed Oct 4 00:15:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA03983 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:15:11 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26879 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:06:11 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: From: "Evrovski, Andrew" To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: VECTOR: Tempest video problem Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:56:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C02DB7.22DDB396" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C02DB7.22DDB396 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Excuse my ignorance and my newbieness, but what chips are the MC and LF chips? I am having similar problems with my Major Havoc (ie. spot killer is on and no picture, but game is playing because I can hear the sound.) Anyway, since both are ataris and I have noticed a lot of smiliarities, I thought I might check out the advice for the tempest problems and see if I can also check out the video output stage. Also, I don't know what AVG stands for (I am assuming it is "something vector generator", but I am not sure and don't know what the first part is. Anyhow, I cannot see any chips that say MC or LF, so I am at a bit of a loss. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Andy -----Original Message----- From: Ozdemir, Steven S, GOVMK [mailto:sozdemir ] Sent: September 7, 2000 13:50 To: vectorlist Subject: RE: VECTOR: Tempest video problem G'day folks, I remember fixing a problem just like this on a Tempest cocktail. It was the MC chip (not the LF chip) in the Tempest PCB AVG...sorry for the vague references. I don't have access to any documentation while I'm writing this email. Have you checked the monitor in another game? That'd be the clencher. Steve Ozdemir sozdemir ps - You might want to check the leads going to the MC chip also. -----Original Message----- From: Bret Pehrson [mailto:bret ] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 9:23 AM To: vectorlist Subject: RE: VECTOR: Tempest video problem > (I asked one of my EE professors about it and the best answer he could > provide was that sometimes transistors will have strange and unpredictable > behavior when they get old) Hey, I've seen that same behavior in EE professors! Whoops -- I should have posted this to VECTOR.SMARTASSREMARKS -- sorry. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-vectorlist > [mailto:owner-vectorlist ]On Behalf Of jeff hendrix > Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2000 9:34 AM > To: 'vectorlist ' > Subject: RE: VECTOR: Tempest video problem > > > I had a similar problem on a star wars with a WG in it. > It would draw half way up the top half of the screen, then wrap > back around > to the middle. (the top of the screen ended up back near the center) > Replacing the deflection transistor fixed it. > (I asked one of my EE professors about it and the best answer he could > provide was that sometimes transistors will have strange and unpredictable > behavior when they get old) > > -jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rich Gopstein [mailto:gopstein ] > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 7:32 PM > To: vectorlist > Subject: VECTOR: Tempest video problem > > > I have a friend with a Tempest which has a strange video problem. The > monitor is a WG6101. The image is missing from the left side of the > monitor (actually the upper half of the un-rotated monitor). The strange > part is that instead of the normal deflection transistor problem, the > missing left half is folded over on top of the right half. The vectors > themselves look normal except for the folding problem... Any ideas? > Thanks. > > Rich > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with > "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------- > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with > "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . ------_=_NextPart_001_01C02DB7.22DDB396 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: VECTOR: Tempest video problem

Excuse my ignorance and my newbieness, but what chips = are the MC and LF chips?  I am having similar problems with my = Major Havoc (ie. spot killer is on and no picture, but game is playing = because I can hear the sound.)  Anyway, since both are ataris and = I have noticed a lot of smiliarities, I thought I might check out the = advice for the tempest problems and see if I can also check out the = video output stage.  Also, I don't know what AVG stands for (I am = assuming it is "something vector generator", but I am not = sure and don't know what the first part is.  Anyhow, I cannot see = any chips that say MC or LF, so I am at a bit of a loss.  Any help = would be appreciated.

Thanks
Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: Ozdemir, Steven S, GOVMK []
Sent: September 7, 2000 13:50
To: vectorlist
Subject: RE: VECTOR: Tempest video problem


G'day folks,

I remember fixing a problem just like this on a = Tempest cocktail.  It was
the MC chip (not the LF chip) in the Tempest PCB = AVG...sorry for the vague
references.  I don't have access to any = documentation while I'm writing this
email.

Have you checked the monitor in another game?  = That'd be the clencher.

          &nb= sp; Steve Ozdemir
          &nb= sp; sozdemir

ps - You might want to check the leads going to the = MC chip also.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bret Pehrson []
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 9:23 AM
To: vectorlist
Subject: RE: VECTOR: Tempest video problem


> (I asked one of my EE professors about it and = the best answer he could
> provide was that sometimes transistors will = have strange and unpredictable
> behavior when they get old)

Hey, I've seen that same behavior in EE = professors!  Whoops -- I should have
posted this to VECTOR.SMARTASSREMARKS -- = sorry.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vectorlist
> [mailto:owner-vectorlist@sy= nthcom.com]On Behalf Of jeff hendrix
> Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2000 9:34 = AM
> To: 'vectorlist '
> Subject: RE: VECTOR: Tempest video = problem
>
>
> I had a similar problem on a star wars with a = WG in it.
> It would draw half way up the top half of the = screen, then wrap
> back around
> to the middle. (the top of the screen ended up = back near the center)
> Replacing the deflection transistor fixed = it.
> (I asked one of my EE professors about it and = the best answer he could
> provide was that sometimes transistors will = have strange and unpredictable
> behavior when they get old)
>
> -jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rich Gopstein []
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 7:32 = PM
> To: vectorlist
> Subject: VECTOR: Tempest video problem
>
>
> I have a friend with a Tempest which has a = strange video problem. The
> monitor is a WG6101. The image is missing from = the left side of the
> monitor (actually the upper half of the = un-rotated monitor). The strange
> part is that instead of the normal deflection = transistor problem, the
> missing left half is folded over on top of the = right half. The vectors
> themselves look normal except for the folding = problem... Any ideas?
> Thanks.
>
> Rich
>
>
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C02DB7.22DDB396-- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Oct 4 00:16:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA04236 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:16:46 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26911 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:12:49 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) From: "Mark Shostak" To: Subject: Re: VECTOR: Red Baron probs.... Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:09:08 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200010032250203.SM00170@shostak1.directlink.net> Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO > Quick RB questions..... There are NO quick RB questions! I threw mine in the garbage; well it didn't really fit (cockpit version), but I gave it away for $150... I hate that game (and BZ) (just read that last post! (but some people still like those double wipes, go figure)). Rant off. > In Diagnostics mode there are 2 numbers to the left > 9 X 9 means the chip at C0 is bad (must be the EAROM because it says you have to erase it after replacement). If you don't have it, the sequence is ctrl-alt-del, oh, sorry, wrong platform. The sequence is: start & fire simultaneously while in test mode. Should display "ERASING" if it got your instruction. This may very well be cracked solder joints on the mathbox interconnect cable. Resolder them. > You can watch X count up from 1 to 6. 1 = A3 or E3 2 = E1 3 = F/H1 4 = J1 5 = K1 6 = L/M1 For completeness: 0 = B/C3 or F/H3 7 = N1 8 = P1 9 = C0 (see above) > What does that mean? ROM problems! Q: Can all of these ROMs really be bad??? or is it a bad '244/'245? A: Yes, they can ALL be bad! Well, sort of. The sockets really suck. I found most ROM errors on the Atari AVG board can be cleared up (for a short time), by "adjusting" the vertical position of the device in the socket. If it's your game and you're a purist, I'd replace the sockets w/ machined pin sockets. If you're not a purist, burn a single rom (should fit in a 27128) and install a single socket for it. Finally, if you want to test your roms, RB has two versions. I don't believe the checksum page (which if I recall is yours anyway) has both versions. If your board's roms aren't listed, search the archives for a post from me where I listed the values. > My main problem is no objects. I have Text & propeller but nothing else. > I've done the ribbon cable & swapped the bit slicers & PROMs so I'm > getting down to the point of actually t-shooting now.... This may very well be a problem with the v-rom sockets as stated above for the 6502's roms. You can always pull them and see if the self test notices. Good luck; you'll need it. -Mark > > Thanks, > Kev > mowerman > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Oct 4 00:45:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA08565 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:45:30 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26981 for vectorlist-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 21:35:51 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <002501c02dbc$6e038580$0a0ee418 > From: "chumblespuzz" To: References: Subject: Re: VECTOR: I think I'm in love... Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:34:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Well, all this talk about 6012s has got me pretty excited. Not because they are cheap (although that is nice) but because they are available. I'm in desperate need of a bunch of these. If anyone has these available to sell, please email me (privately) at chumblespuzz . Thanks, -roy- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Cowgill" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:54 PM Subject: Re: VECTOR: I think I'm in love... > > >Are 6012s really that hard to get? I've been buying am6012s from this > >company > >for a couple years, $1.50 each. > > Not anymore... :-( I just talked to them and they said someone bought all > they had a couple weeks ago. He's looking for more, but I suspect if he > finds 'em they won't be at $1.50... > > -Clay > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Oct 4 09:00:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24470 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:00:46 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28139 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 05:49:49 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <39B5C4829263D411AA93009027AE9EBB015F6C35@FMSMSX35> From: "Rosenzweig, Joel B" To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: VECTOR: Battlezone (repair rant!) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 05:46:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO > > Anyway, just had to rant a little there. Another day in the life of > collecting 20 year old electronics... > > -Clay That was good. Though I was looking for: 2A) Power up game again in test mode. Beep BEEP. "Well thank you self test! I knew it wasn't just wasting precious ROM space in my game. Now I know precisely which part to replace because the ever so useful manual tells me what component has failed." So I went ahead and replaced the 2114 at C3. Power up again. Beep beep BEEP. Doh! "Wow, this self test is good, finding all these bad parts. The ram at D4 is bad too! I'll replace that, and surely it will work." Power up again. Beep beep beep BEEP! "Hey, this is getting old now. Sure are a lot of RAM failures. Ok, I'll replace the ram at E5. Just how much code space did we lose to self test?" Power up again. Beep BEEP! "No no no, this can't be possible. I just replaced that chip! How can this be? Down with self test! We should have had tanks with more vectors instead! Who needs self test anyway?" Replace all ram, 74244's and 74245's, *all of them*. Power up again. "Hey, no more beeps! The game works! xxxxx worked. But the monitor is now smoking!" Joel- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Oct 4 12:22:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25096 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:22:07 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28651 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:06:41 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: From: "Evrovski, Andrew" To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: VECTOR: I think I'm in love... Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:57:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C02E1B.C7F13AA6" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C02E1B.C7F13AA6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think I have these on my Major Havoc board. Are these the same as what you are talking about: AM6012PC 8411DM (2 per board) If so, I too would be looking for some. If you have them or know where to get them, please email me privately with when, where, and how much. Cheers Andy -----Original Message----- From: chumblespuzz [mailto:chumblespuzz ] Sent: October 4, 2000 01:35 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: I think I'm in love... Well, all this talk about 6012s has got me pretty excited. Not because they are cheap (although that is nice) but because they are available. I'm in desperate need of a bunch of these. If anyone has these available to sell, please email me (privately) at chumblespuzz . Thanks, -roy- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Cowgill" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:54 PM Subject: Re: VECTOR: I think I'm in love... > > >Are 6012s really that hard to get? I've been buying am6012s from this > >company > >for a couple years, $1.50 each. > > Not anymore... :-( I just talked to them and they said someone bought all > they had a couple weeks ago. He's looking for more, but I suspect if he > finds 'em they won't be at $1.50... > > -Clay > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . ------_=_NextPart_001_01C02E1B.C7F13AA6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: VECTOR: I think I'm in love...

I think I have these on my Major Havoc board.  = Are these the same as what you are talking about:

AM6012PC 8411DM (2 per board)

If so, I too would be looking for some.  If you = have them or know where to get them, please email me privately with = when, where, and how much.

Cheers
Andy


Well, all this talk about 6012s has got me pretty = excited. Not because they
are cheap (although that is nice) but because they = are available. I'm in
desperate need of a bunch of these. If anyone has = these available to sell,
please email me (privately) at = chumblespuzz .

Thanks,
-roy-

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To: <vectorlist >
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Subject: Re: VECTOR: I think I'm in love...


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C02E1B.C7F13AA6-- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Oct 4 13:00:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA32076 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:00:36 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28762 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:43:10 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:40:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Jefferys To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: VECTOR: Battlezone (repair rant!) In-Reply-To: <39B5C4829263D411AA93009027AE9EBB015F6C35@FMSMSX35> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Rosenzweig, Joel B wrote: > > > > Anyway, just had to rant a little there. Another day in the life of > > collecting 20 year old electronics... > > That was good. Though I was looking for: > > 2A) Power up game again in test mode. Beep BEEP. > [ ... ] > again. Beep BEEP! "No no no, this can't be possible. I just > replaced that chip! ROFL. You just described my experience a few years ago resurrecting a Lunar Lander board. Thankfully, I was using sockets for every RAM I replaced, and it took me about four or five RAM chips before I got a set of 2114s that "liked" the boardset. The problem was probably a slightly-dodgy buffer chip, but as all my RAM is pulled (or desoldered, actually) from boards I picked up at surplus stores, I blamed the RAM before I blamed the buffer chips. As for Red Baron, I had to use a signature analyzer to find the TTL chip that had failed. It was just a random piece of glue logic that quit, and would have been impossible to find without the signature analysis guide. Kudos to Atari for putting the signatures on that schematic. ObVids: While I'm typing - CA Extreme was awesome. Getting up to the top of the final wave on Marble Man was *hard*, but worth the effort. I believe the secret was to line oneself up on the "diagonals" of the grid (i.e. being able to move "straight up" on the screen), thereby having sqrt(4+4)=2.82 squares worth of space in which to accelerate with the Turbo button and hop over the 2.82 squares of ice, rather than trying to accelerate over 2 squares worth fo space and slide up 2 squares of ice. OK, that's more properly the rasterlist, but hey, there was lots of awesome vector stuff at CA extreme too. Very nice to see Alpha One beside a Major Havoc! Later, Doug. -- dougj | @ | hwcn.org | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Oct 4 13:53:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08767 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:53:26 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28979 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:39:16 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: From: Chris Loggans To: "'vectorlist > Subject: VECTOR: RATBox Update? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:35:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Does anyone know what became of the RATBox project? Thanks, -Chris --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Oct 4 14:09:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11711 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:08:57 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29019 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:51:12 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001004104544.00db46c0 > X-Sender: a1a96636@pop.telus.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:49:30 -0700 To: vectorlist , "'vectorlist > From: John Robertson Subject: RE: VECTOR: Battlezone (repair rant!) In-Reply-To: References: <39B5C4829263D411AA93009027AE9EBB015F6C35@FMSMSX35> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Hmm, maybe we need a Pacific Northwest Vector tournament? Anyone game? I'll provide space in the shop in Vancouver (that's Canada - the Great White North - ["Talking to Americans" for those of us that follow 'This Hour has 22 Minutes']) - perhaps someone in Seattle might be more convenient? Would be fun in the late spring or just after the start of summer school vacation when business is a little slow... John :-#)# At 09:40 AM 10/4/00, Doug Jefferys wrote: >On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Rosenzweig, Joel B wrote: > > > > > > Anyway, just had to rant a little there. Another day in the life of > > > collecting 20 year old electronics... > > > > That was good. Though I was looking for: > > > > 2A) Power up game again in test mode. Beep BEEP. > > [ ... ] > > again. Beep BEEP! "No no no, this can't be possible. I just > > replaced that chip! > >ROFL. You just described my experience a few years ago resurrecting >a Lunar Lander board. Thankfully, I was using sockets for every RAM >I replaced, and it took me about four or five RAM chips before I got >a set of 2114s that "liked" the boardset. > >The problem was probably a slightly-dodgy buffer chip, but as all my >RAM is pulled (or desoldered, actually) from boards I picked up at >surplus stores, I blamed the RAM before I blamed the buffer chips. > >As for Red Baron, I had to use a signature analyzer to find the TTL >chip that had failed. It was just a random piece of glue logic that >quit, and would have been impossible to find without the signature >analysis guide. Kudos to Atari for putting the signatures on that >schematic. > >ObVids: > >While I'm typing - CA Extreme was awesome. Getting up to the top >of the final wave on Marble Man was *hard*, but worth the effort. > >I believe the secret was to line oneself up on the "diagonals" of >the grid (i.e. being able to move "straight up" on the screen), thereby >having sqrt(4+4)=2.82 squares worth of space in which to accelerate with >the Turbo button and hop over the 2.82 squares of ice, rather than trying >to accelerate over 2 squares worth fo space and slide up 2 squares of ice. > >OK, that's more properly the rasterlist, but hey, there was lots of >awesome vector stuff at CA extreme too. Very nice to see Alpha One >beside a Major Havoc! > >Later, >Doug. > >-- > dougj | > @ | >hwcn.org | > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) http://www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Oct 4 14:41:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17850 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:41:32 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29158 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:26:26 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <3D62AB6FFC80D211A84700104B10CB2C02D95F22 > From: jeff hendrix To: "'vectorlist > Subject: RE: VECTOR: RATBox Update? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:23:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I've got most of it on a breadboard, but I haven't finished the software yet. Been really busy with school, but I hope to get back to it sometime real soon. -jeff -----Original Message----- From: Chris Loggans [mailto:chris.loggans ] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 11:36 AM To: 'vectorlist ' Subject: VECTOR: RATBox Update? Does anyone know what became of the RATBox project? Thanks, -Chris --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Oct 4 21:26:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA15629 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:26:33 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30478 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:11:09 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <007b01c02e71$04c55fc0$fcb0fea9@marc> From: "Marc at Youngies" To: References: Subject: Re: VECTOR: I think I'm in love... Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:07:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0078_01C02EC4.D5A06420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C02EC4.D5A06420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: VECTOR: I think I'm in love... here is some stuff I found, the prices may be quite wrong, and may be cheaper from US parts suppliers... I've used all of these succesfully in Battlezone... Marc Original: Replacement: AM6012PC 12bit DAC DAC312H ~US$13.50 'retail' Analog Devices 12bit multiplying DAC DIP20 DAC-08CN Still available ~US$5.00 'retail' 8bit DAC DIP16 LF13201N DG201ACJ ~US$7.00 'retail' Siliconix Quad NO SPST Analog switch DIP16 also probably DG211-Analog Devices ,ADG201AKN, and others not tested. TL084CN Still available LM319N Still available TL082CP Still available ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Evrovski, Andrew=20 To: 'vectorlist '=20 Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 1:57 AM Subject: RE: VECTOR: I think I'm in love... I think I have these on my Major Havoc board. Are these the same as = what you are talking about:=20 AM6012PC 8411DM (2 per board)=20 If so, I too would be looking for some. If you have them or know = where to get them, please email me privately with when, where, and how = much. Cheers=20 Andy=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: chumblespuzz [mailto:chumblespuzz ]=20 Sent: October 4, 2000 01:35=20 To: vectorlist =20 Subject: Re: VECTOR: I think I'm in love...=20 Well, all this talk about 6012s has got me pretty excited. Not because = they=20 are cheap (although that is nice) but because they are available. I'm = in=20 desperate need of a bunch of these. If anyone has these available to = sell,=20 please email me (privately) at chumblespuzz .=20 Thanks,=20 -roy-=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Clay Cowgill" =20 To: =20 Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:54 PM=20 Subject: Re: VECTOR: I think I'm in love...=20 >=20 > >Are 6012s really that hard to get? I've been buying am6012s from = this=20 > >company=20 > >for a couple years, $1.50 each.=20 >=20 > Not anymore... :-( I just talked to them and they said someone = bought all=20 > they had a couple weeks ago. He's looking for more, but I suspect = if he=20 > finds 'em they won't be at $1.50...=20 >=20 > -Clay=20 > = _________________________________________________________________________= =20 > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at = http://www.hotmail.com.=20 >=20 > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at=20 > http://profiles.msn.com.=20 >=20 > = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -=20 -=20 > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" = in=20 the=20 > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct = other=20 > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil .=20 = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --=20 ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" = in the=20 ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct = other=20 ** questions, comments, or problems to neil .=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C02EC4.D5A06420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: VECTOR: I think I'm in love...
 
here is some stuff I found, the prices may be quite=20 wrong,
and may be cheaper from US parts suppliers...
I've used all of these succesfully in=20 Battlezone...
 
Marc
 
 
Original:         &= nbsp;     =20 Replacement:
AM6012PC 12bit DAC      =20 DAC312H        ~US$13.50=20 'retail'
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp; =20 Analog=20 Devices
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp; =20 12bit multiplying DAC=20 DIP20

DAC-08CN        &nbs= p;       =20 Still available ~US$5.00=20 'retail'
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp; =20 8bit DAC=20 DIP16

LF13201N        &nbs= p;       =20 DG201ACJ       ~US$7.00=20 'retail'
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp; =20 Siliconix
          =             &= nbsp; =20 Quad NO SPST Analog switch=20 DIP16
          &nbs= p;            = ; =20 also probably DG211-Analog=20 Devices
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp; =20 ,ADG201AKN, and others not=20 tested.

TL084CN        &nb= sp;        =20 Still=20 available
LM319N         =          =20 Still=20 available
TL082CP         = ;        =20 Still available

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Evrovski,=20 Andrew
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 05, = 2000 1:57=20 AM
Subject: RE: VECTOR: I think = I'm in=20 love...

I think I have these on my Major Havoc board.  = Are these=20 the same as what you are talking about:

AM6012PC 8411DM (2 per board)

If so, I too would be looking for some.  If you = have them=20 or know where to get them, please email me privately with when, where, = and how=20 much.

Cheers
Andy

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 chumblespuzz []=20
Sent: October 4, 2000 01:35
To:=20 vectorlist
Subject: Re: VECTOR: = I think=20 I'm in love...


Well, all this talk about 6012s has got me pretty = excited. Not=20 because they
are cheap (although that is = nice) but=20 because they are available. I'm in
desperate = need of a=20 bunch of these. If anyone has these available to sell, =
please email me (privately) at chumblespuzz . =

Thanks,
-roy-

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 "Clay Cowgill" <vector_clay >
To:=20 <vectorlist >
Sent: = Monday, October=20 02, 2000 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: VECTOR: I = think I'm in=20 love...


>
> >Are 6012s = really that=20 hard to get?  I've been buying am6012s from this
> >company
> >for a = couple years,=20 $1.50 each.
>
> Not=20 anymore... :-(  I just talked to them and they said someone = bought=20 all
> they had a couple weeks ago.  = He's=20 looking for more, but I suspect if he
> = finds 'em=20 they won't be at $1.50...
> =
> -Clay
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------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C02EC4.D5A06420-- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Oct 4 21:48:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18024 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:48:32 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30537 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:30:26 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <00a601c02e73$b79cd7c0$fcb0fea9@marc> From: "Marc at Youngies" To: Subject: Re: VECTOR: MH, BZ, etc output parts Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:26:44 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C02EC7.85E1A0E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C02EC7.85E1A0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: VECTOR: I think I'm in love........ the DAC312HP goes down to about = US$6.75 at www.freetradezone.com =20 note it has to be the DAC312HP to get the DIP, or the HR to get the ceramic DIP(which is not available I think) --- here is some stuff I found, the prices may be quite wrong, and may be cheaper from US parts suppliers... I've used all of these succesfully in Battlezone... Marc Original: Replacement: AM6012PC 12bit DAC DAC312H ~US$13.50 'retail' Analog Devices 12bit multiplying DAC DIP20 DAC-08CN Still available ~US$5.00 'retail' 8bit DAC DIP16 LF13201N DG201ACJ ~US$7.00 'retail' Siliconix Quad NO SPST Analog switch DIP16 also probably DG211-Analog Devices ,ADG201AKN, and others not tested. TL084CN Still available LM319N Still available TL082CP Still available ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Evrovski, Andrew=20 To: 'vectorlist '=20 Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 1:57 AM Subject: RE: VECTOR: I think I'm in love... I think I have these on my Major Havoc board. Are these the same as = what you are talking about:=20 AM6012PC 8411DM (2 per board)=20 If so, I too would be looking for some. If you have them or know = where to get them, please email me privately with when, where, and how = much. Cheers=20 Andy=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: chumblespuzz [mailto:chumblespuzz ]=20 Sent: October 4, 2000 01:35=20 To: vectorlist =20 Subject: Re: VECTOR: I think I'm in love...=20 Well, all this talk about 6012s has got me pretty excited. Not = because they=20 are cheap (although that is nice) but because they are available. = I'm in=20 desperate need of a bunch of these. If anyone has these available to = sell,=20 please email me (privately) at chumblespuzz .=20 Thanks,=20 -roy-=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Clay Cowgill" =20 To: =20 Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:54 PM=20 Subject: Re: VECTOR: I think I'm in love...=20 >=20 > >Are 6012s really that hard to get? I've been buying am6012s from = this=20 > >company=20 > >for a couple years, $1.50 each.=20 >=20 > Not anymore... :-( I just talked to them and they said someone = bought all=20 > they had a couple weeks ago. He's looking for more, but I suspect = if he=20 > finds 'em they won't be at $1.50...=20 >=20 > -Clay=20 > = _________________________________________________________________________= =20 > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at = http://www.hotmail.com.=20 >=20 > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile = at=20 > http://profiles.msn.com.=20 >=20 > = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -=20 -=20 > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with = "UNSUBSCRIBE" in=20 the=20 > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct = other=20 > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil .=20 = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --=20 ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" = in the=20 ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct = other=20 ** questions, comments, or problems to neil .=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C02EC7.85E1A0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: VECTOR: I think I'm in love...
..... the DAC312HP goes down to about US$6.75=20 at
 www.freetradezone.com
 
note it has to be the DAC312HP to get the DIP, or the
HR to get the ceramic DIP(which is not available I think)
 
 ---
 
here is some stuff I found, the prices may be = quite=20 wrong,
and may be cheaper from US parts suppliers...
I've used all of these succesfully in=20 Battlezone...
 
Marc
 
 
Original:         &= nbsp;     =20 Replacement:
AM6012PC 12bit DAC       = DAC312H        ~US$13.50=20 = 'retail'
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp; =20 Analog=20 = Devices
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp; =20 12bit multiplying DAC=20 = DIP20

DAC-08CN        &nbs= p;       =20 Still available ~US$5.00=20 = 'retail'
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp; =20 8bit DAC=20 = DIP16

LF13201N        &nbs= p;       =20 DG201ACJ       ~US$7.00=20 = 'retail'
          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp; =20 = Siliconix
          =             &= nbsp; =20 Quad NO SPST Analog switch=20 = DIP16
          &nbs= p;            = ; =20 also probably DG211-Analog=20 = Devices
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp; =20 ,ADG201AKN, and others not=20 = tested.

TL084CN        &nb= sp;        =20 Still=20 = available
LM319N         =          =20 Still=20 = available
TL082CP         = ;        =20 Still available

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Evrovski,=20 Andrew
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 05, = 2000 1:57=20 AM
Subject: RE: VECTOR: I think = I'm in=20 love...

I think I have these on my Major Havoc = board.  Are=20 these the same as what you are talking about:

AM6012PC 8411DM (2 per board)

If so, I too would be looking for some.  If = you have=20 them or know where to get them, please email me privately with when, = where,=20 and how much.

Cheers
Andy

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 chumblespuzz []=20
Sent: October 4, 2000 01:35
To:=20 vectorlist
Subject: Re: = VECTOR: I think=20 I'm in love...


Well, all this talk about 6012s has got me pretty = excited.=20 Not because they
are cheap (although that = is nice)=20 but because they are available. I'm in
desperate=20 need of a bunch of these. If anyone has these available to = sell,=20
please email me (privately) at=20 chumblespuzz .

Thanks,
-roy- =

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 "Clay Cowgill" <vector_clay >
To:=20 <vectorlist >
Sent: = Monday,=20 October 02, 2000 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: = VECTOR: I=20 think I'm in love...


>
> >Are 6012s = really that=20 hard to get?  I've been buying am6012s from this =
> >company
> >for a = couple years,=20 $1.50 each.
>
> Not=20 anymore... :-(  I just talked to them and they said someone = bought=20 all
> they had a couple weeks = ago.  He's=20 looking for more, but I suspect if he
> = finds 'em=20 they won't be at $1.50...
> =
> -Clay
>=20 = _________________________________________________________________________= =20
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------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C02EC7.85E1A0E0-- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Oct 4 22:57:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA26661 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:57:50 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30720 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:46:51 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <000a01c02e77$72748a40$9a43fea9@Default> From: "Gregg Woodcock" To: References: <00a601c02e73$b79cd7c0$fcb0fea9@marc> Subject: VECTOR: B&K adaptor for Asteroids monitor rejuvination? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:53:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I have an asteroids (G05-802) monitor with a short that needs fixing. Does anybody know which adaptor/plug should be used? I have a B&K 470... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Oct 4 23:32:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA30739 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:32:56 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30832 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:20:39 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <39DBF25B.AB17E92F@airmail.net> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:15:39 -0500 From: Noel Johnson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist Subject: Re: VECTOR: MH, BZ, etc output parts References: <00a601c02e73$b79cd7c0$fcb0fea9@marc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO >..... the DAC312HP goes down to about US$6.75 at > www.freetradezone.com I have been searching a number of suppliers about once a week for DAC312HP's since November of last year. They finally started trickling in to Allied Electronics (in quantities of less than 15) about 6 weeks ago. I grabbed all they had (about 30) for around $8 per. Now I notice that Newark has them for $5.59 in quantities of 25 or more if that helps anyone.. :-) http://search.newark.com/part_detail.phtml?PART%5FID=250&VID=250&10005=05F7977 Thanks for the info about freetradezone! Guess I'll have to add that site to my list of searches! Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Wed Oct 4 23:38:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA31230 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:38:01 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30842 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:21:36 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001004201640.00dcacf0 > X-Sender: a1a96636@pop.telus.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:19:50 -0700 To: vectorlist > From: John Robertson Subject: Re: VECTOR: B&K adaptor for Asteroids monitor rejuvination? In-Reply-To: <000a01c02e77$72748a40$9a43fea9@Default> References: <00a601c02e73$b79cd7c0$fcb0fea9@marc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO This is a standard B&W tube AFAIK. Where is the short? If it's between the heater and the cathode you CAN'T fix it by rejuvenating, you will destroy the heater. To repair that you need a 1:1 isolation transformer designed for filaments. John :-#)# At 07:53 PM 10/4/00, Gregg Woodcock wrote: >I have an asteroids (G05-802) monitor with a short that needs fixing. Does >anybody know which adaptor/plug should be used? I have a B&K 470... > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . 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From owner-vectorlist Thu Oct 5 02:59:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA16516 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:58:59 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31325 for vectorlist-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:46:06 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <001501c02e98$db541000$9a43fea9@Default> From: "Gregg Woodcock" To: References: <00a601c02e73$b79cd7c0$fcb0fea9 > Subject: Re: VECTOR: B&K adaptor for Asteroids monitor rejuvination? Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:52:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 10:19 PM Subject: Re: VECTOR: B&K adaptor for Asteroids monitor rejuvination? > This is a standard B&W tube AFAIK. Where is the short? If it's between the > heater and the cathode you CAN'T fix it by rejuvenating, you will destroy > the heater. To repair that you need a 1:1 isolation transformer designed > for filaments. It is adapter #6 FYI. I don't know for sure it is a short but the screen is "sparkling" and "zapping" like crazy. It is possible it is a problem on the deflection board, though, since the 470 didn't find any shorts... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Oct 5 11:44:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11237 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:44:08 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32670 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:38:39 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001005083416.00c47c30 > X-Sender: a1a96636@pop.telus.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 08:36:48 -0700 To: vectorlist > From: John Robertson Subject: Re: VECTOR: B&K adaptor for Asteroids monitor rejuvination? In-Reply-To: <001501c02e98$db541000$9a43fea9@Default> References: <00a601c02e73$b79cd7c0$fcb0fea9@marc> <4.3.2.7.2.20001004201640.00dcacf0 > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Do you mean the picture is jerking around-the vectors shift at random? If that is the case then you probably have the standard Monitor MotherBoard Curse-caked solder connections on the pins of the Molex connectors. Resolder ALL the pins on the MMB! If the screen changes focus or expands and contracts at random, yet the output screen voltage of the HV unit is stable then you have a bad HV diode, and need to track one down. The archive here has the sources of those... John :-#)# At 11:52 PM 10/4/00, Gregg Woodcock wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Robertson" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 10:19 PM >Subject: Re: VECTOR: B&K adaptor for Asteroids monitor rejuvination? > > > > This is a standard B&W tube AFAIK. Where is the short? If it's between the > > heater and the cathode you CAN'T fix it by rejuvenating, you will destroy > > the heater. To repair that you need a 1:1 isolation transformer designed > > for filaments. > >It is adapter #6 FYI. I don't know for sure it is a short but the screen is >"sparkling" and >"zapping" like crazy. It is possible it is a problem on the deflection >board, though, since >the 470 didn't find any shorts... > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . 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From owner-vectorlist Thu Oct 5 15:56:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA22549 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:56:37 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA33543 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:45:48 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: From: Jenison Mark-QA3578 To: "'vectorlist > Subject: VECTOR: Battlezone overlays Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:42:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO Hi all, I have a Battlezone whose CP will not be restorable. Has anyone tried chumblespuzz's Battlezone overlay out? I'd like to know if people were satisfied with it. -- Mark Jenison --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Oct 5 18:38:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA17001 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:38:57 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA34064 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:27:52 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <000001c02f1c$6ad35b40$9a43fea9@Default> From: "Gregg Woodcock" To: "vectorlist" Subject: VECTOR: Trade my EH G05 HV unit for your W-G B&W HV unit? Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:13:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO I have 2 Electrohome G05-802 (also suitable for G05-801) HV units that work (and one that doesn't) that I'd like to trade for Wells-Gardner black and white vector monitor HV units. Anybody interested? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Oct 5 18:44:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA17654 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:44:31 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA34089 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:31:43 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-ID: <002401c02f1c$f33e25a0$9a43fea9@Default> From: "Gregg Woodcock" To: References: <00a601c02e73$b79cd7c0$fcb0fea9 > Subject: Re: VECTOR: B&K adaptor for Asteroids monitor rejuvination? Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:37:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO It is hard to explain, really. At all the joints of the vectors there are random bright flashes (think Galaga star background). It is not connectors nor the HV diode (I am certain it is NOT on the HV unit at all)... ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:36 AM Subject: Re: VECTOR: B&K adaptor for Asteroids monitor rejuvination? > Do you mean the picture is jerking around-the vectors shift at random? If > that is the case then you probably have the standard Monitor MotherBoard > Curse-caked solder connections on the pins of the Molex connectors. > Resolder ALL the pins on the MMB! > > If the screen changes focus or expands and contracts at random, yet the > output screen voltage of the HV unit is stable then you have a bad HV > diode, and need to track one down. The archive here has the sources of those... > > John :-#)# > > At 11:52 PM 10/4/00, Gregg Woodcock wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "John Robertson" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 10:19 PM > >Subject: Re: VECTOR: B&K adaptor for Asteroids monitor rejuvination? > > > > > > > This is a standard B&W tube AFAIK. Where is the short? If it's between the > > > heater and the cathode you CAN'T fix it by rejuvenating, you will destroy > > > the heater. To repair that you need a 1:1 isolation transformer designed > > > for filaments. > > > >It is adapter #6 FYI. I don't know for sure it is a short but the screen is > >"sparkling" and > >"zapping" like crazy. It is possible it is a problem on the deflection > >board, though, since > >the 470 didn't find any shorts... > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > >** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > >** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > http://www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other > ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request . Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil . From owner-vectorlist Thu Oct 5 19:38:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from synthcom.com (ip67.usw3.rb1.pdx.nwlink.com [207.202.141.67]) by smarty.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA24854 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 19:38:40 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by synthcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA34286 for vectorlist-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:26:13 GMT (envelope-from owner-vectorlist ) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001005162136.02313940 > X-Sender: a1a96636@pop.telus.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:24:12 -0700 To: vectorlist > From: John Robertson Subject: Re: VECTOR: B&K adaptor for Asteroids monitor rejuvination? In-Reply-To: <002401c02f1c$f33e25a0$9a43fea9@Default> References: <00a601c02e73$b79cd7c0$fcb0fea9@marc> <4.3.2.7.2.20001004201640.00dcacf0 > <4.3.2.7.2.20001005083416.00c47c30 > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-vectorlist Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vectorlist Status: RO That sounds like a MPU board problem. I don't think there are many failures in a monitor that can be that specific to the end of a trace...the only possible monitor problem would be the drive transistor for the cathode, maybe it is slow to turn off. John :-#)# At 03:37 PM 10/5/00, Gregg Woodcock wrote: >It is hard to explain, really. At all the joints of the vectors there are >random bright flashes (think Galaga star background). It is not connectors >nor the HV diode (I am certain it is NOT on the HV unit at all)... > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Robertson" >To: >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:36 AM >Subject: Re: VECTOR: B&K adaptor for Asteroids monitor rejuvination? > > > > Do you mean the picture is jerking around-the vectors shift at random? If > > that is the case then you probably have the standard Monitor MotherBoard > > Curse-caked solder connections on the pins of the Molex connectors. > > Resolder ALL the pins on the MMB! > > > > If the screen changes focus or expands and contracts at random, yet the > > output screen voltage of the HV unit is stable then you have a bad HV > > diode, and need to track one down. The archive here has the sources of >those... > > > > John :-#)# > > > > At 11:52 PM 10/4/00, Gregg Woodcock wrote: > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "John Robertson" > > >To: > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 10:19 PM > > >Subject: Re: VECTOR: B&K adaptor for Asteroids monitor rejuvination? > > > > > > > > > > This is a standard B&W tube AFAIK. Where is the short? If it's between >the > > > > heater and the cathode you CAN'T fix it by rejuvenating, you will >destroy > > > > the heater. To repair that you need a 1:1 isolation transformer >designed > > > > for filaments.

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