From ClayC Tue Sep 1 13:56:22 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id NAA26466 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:56:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07825 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma007813; Tue, 1 Sep 98 11:55:37 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa26488; 1 Sep 98 11:55 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:55:10 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Multi Pac Availability Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:55:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hey Chris, Don't recall if I replied to this or not... Yeah, no problem, just don't tell anyone I'm being soft on the $149 price... Use the new orderform on the webpage (http://www.e-volve.net/~clay/multipac.html) and hand-correct it for $99 (mention this email or something...) Thanks, -Clay > ---------- > From: Chris Loggans[SMTP:chris.loggans ] > Reply To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Sent: Monday, August 31, 1998 5:05 PM > To: 'Clay Cowgill ' > Subject: Multi Pac Availability > > Clay, > > Talk about your last minute decisions... I know you said that > the > cutoff for ordering the MultiPac for $99 was today (8/31). Do you > have any > left and if so, is it still possible to get another one ordered for > $99 > (even though my check couldn't get there for a couple days)? > > Thanks, > -Chris > From ClayC Tue Sep 1 14:10:51 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id OAA27523 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:10:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08121 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma008114; Tue, 1 Sep 98 12:10:15 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa28158; 1 Sep 98 12:10 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:09:50 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Multi Pac Availability Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:09:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN OK, so I'm a moron (damn that reply button!). But everyone here knows I always cut "special" deals anyway... ;-) I'll make this "official" and say that I'm being flexible on the $149 price on the MultiPac through Friday. After that I have to go into hard-ass mode 'cause I'll have shipped some units to a reseller then. Thanks! -Clay Clay "too stupid to see who he's replying to" Cowgill wrote: > Don't recall if I replied to this or not... Yeah, no problem, just > don't > tell anyone I'm being soft on the $149 price... Use the new orderform > on the webpage (http://www.e-volve.net/~clay/multipac.html) and > hand-correct it for $99 (mention this email or something...) From zonn Tue Sep 1 14:30:28 1998 Received: from relay.pair.com (relay1.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id OAA05784 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:30:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from SHAD.isidesign.com (SHAD.isidesign.com [205.230.20.134]) by relay.pair.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA20418 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:35:06 -0400 (EDT) From: zonn (Zonn) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Multi Pac Availability Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 19:19:53 GMT Message-ID: <35ec47cf.430051949 > References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu id OAA05785 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:55:08 -0700 , Clay Cowgill wrote: >Hey Chris, > >Don't recall if I replied to this or not... Yeah, no problem, just don't >tell anyone I'm being soft on the $149 price... Use the new orderform >on the webpage (http://www.e-volve.net/~clay/multipac.html) and >hand-correct it for $99 (mention this email or something...) > >Thanks, >-Clay Sure, it'll be our little secret... ;^) I heard a comedian say once that: Unposting something from the net was like trying to unpee in a pool... Don't you hate when this happens? -Zonn <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------ ___ Member of A.A.C.S.: |---- | ( ) Association for Artistically / / ( () ) Challenged Signatures / / //\\ // (__) / ---/ // \\ //\\ // zonn -------| // \\/ From Anders_Knudsen Tue Sep 1 14:32:02 1998 Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic.adaptec.com [208.236.45.80]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id OAA05914 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:32:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kingdom.adaptec.com (kingdom [162.62.162.10]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01958 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from btc.btc.adaptec.com (btc.btc.adaptec.com [162.62.63.6]) by kingdom.adaptec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA22463 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809011930.MAA22463 > Received: from alderaan (alderaan.btc.adaptec.com [162.62.63.46]) by btc.btc.adaptec.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA12480 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:30:58 -0600 X-Sender: andersk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 13:34:49 -0600 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Anders Knudsen Subject: RE: Multi Pac Availability In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Yea. Uhm. Ooops. Maybe you need some sleep, eh? OK, just wanted to confirm that you got my order/check. Also, when will you ship me one? Thanks, -Anders. At 12:09 PM 9/1/98 -0700, you wrote: >OK, so I'm a moron (damn that reply button!). But everyone here knows I >always cut "special" deals anyway... ;-) > >I'll make this "official" and say that I'm being flexible on the $149 >price on the MultiPac through Friday. After that I have to go into >hard-ass mode 'cause I'll have shipped some units to a reseller then. > >Thanks! >-Clay > >Clay "too stupid to see who he's replying to" Cowgill wrote: > >> Don't recall if I replied to this or not... Yeah, no problem, just >> don't >> tell anyone I'm being soft on the $149 price... Use the new orderform >> on the webpage (http://www.e-volve.net/~clay/multipac.html) and >> hand-correct it for $99 (mention this email or something...) > From chris.toseland@ntu.ac.uk Wed Sep 2 10:00:24 1998 Received: from lotus.ntu.ac.uk (lotus.ntu.ac.uk [152.71.0.147]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with SMTP id JAA22242 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:59:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: by lotus.ntu.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BDD688.7C6F57D0@lotus.ntu.ac.uk>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:43:52 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Toseland, Chris" To: "'Vectorlist'" Subject: I.C.E. project Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:43:50 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN At last I've tracked you all down I've tried to subscribe to this a number of times now but I've been using a spies mirror and it seems to give the wrong info. Anyway to answer the questions Chris, The 8255 will be fine in place of an 82C55 as there isn't really a speed issue. Kev, I'm currently working on an improved version of the I.C.E, it's more along the lines of the Polar B2000 but not stand alone. It will get it's instructions from a host via a serial port but will perform the tests itself (i.e. you just issue a command string to it and it performs the test and reports back if need be). The pcb is completed and most of the code for the unit is finished (for the Z80 anyway). It's a single sided pcb so it should be easy to replicate. see http://science.ntu.ac.uk/admin/cmt/projects.htm for details. As for getting the MK1 to support other CPU's it shouldn't be too hard If you have the boards to test it on (I didn't my plea's for test boards fell on deaf ears here in the UK). Chris From MKDUD Fri Sep 4 08:25:20 1998 Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id IAA29898 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:25:19 -0500 (CDT) From: MKDUD Received: from MKDUD by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id KXTRa10121 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3f1ca37e.35efea19 > Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:24:41 EDT To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Please help with Amplifone monitor for Quantum Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hello, Please help if you can. I've got an Amplifone monitor that I just can't seem to get going. I've installed a new WinTron HV transformer, and installed a Zannen kit. The game PCB is producing good x and y signals. I'm getting no spot killer, and I can hear deflection chatter coming from the yoke. (spot killer does light at power-up for an instant like it should.) I'm getting no HV, no heater glow. I've replaced the BU406D on the HV board, and also have replaced the 7824 and 7924. The "overvoltage" light comes on frequently from the HV board, but after tweaking the pots on the HV board, the most HV we could get was 8-10 KV, while hearing a wierd hiss from the anode. We did check both post on the HV board, they test good. The anode is pluged in to the tube, and is tight. While watching the meter (HV probe installed under the anode) the HV began to climb to a more "normal" range (approached 18kv), the anode just started to make a more "normal" power up sound, then we heard something pop that sounded like it came from the deflection board. Now there is no HV at all. What goes to pin #2 when installing the WinTron HV transformer? (This is the former pin #2 on the HV board that was used by the old HV transformer.) According to Gregg's faq, pin #2 has nothing connected to it. Also, I have an earlier Amplifone HV board that has 2 locations labled as "heater". I've got the grey wire (from the WinTron HV unit) attatched to the "htr" location to the left of the brightness knob. I've installed the new HV transformer just like the Faq says. What are some of the other components should check on the HV board & deflection board? When the older Amplifone HV units blow, what parts usually go out with it (Aside from the Bu406d?) Can the old HV unit also blow components on the deflection board when it goes? Can somebody please tell me where I should be measuring voltages on the deflection board (and HV board) so I can figure this out? Please help if you can, I'm really stuck on this. Thanks Very Much, Michael Kelley From Brendan.Keith Fri Sep 4 08:47:06 1998 Received: from wcghoue002.wilex.wilcom.com (wcghoue002.wilcom.com [169.206.239.198]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id IAA01271 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:47:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: by wcghoue002.wilcom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:47:43 -0500 Message-ID: <01603F7CF8C7D111B9B80000F80463F722F570 > From: "Keith, Brendan" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: GO-5 question Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:47:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I'm restoring an Asteroids cocktail and the monitor often displays an extra vector on most objects. All of the smallest rocks appear to have a small tail. I'm guessing the Z amp is coming on too early or not shutting off when jumping to the next object. I can't turn down the brightness to eliminate it as they appear to be drawn at one of the highest intensities. I get the same results on another monitor, too so I assume it's the board unless both monitors are wacky. Any thoughts? Brendan Keith brendan.keith From jrr Fri Sep 4 11:39:21 1998 Received: from penelope.aktom.com (smtp.aktom.com [207.219.208.2] (may be forged)) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with SMTP id LAA08072 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:39:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nvcr01m02-108.bctel.ca (nvcr01m02-108.bctel.ca [207.194.20.108]) by penelope.flippers.com (NTMail 3.03.0012/4c.abyd) with ESMTP id ma010334 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:47:48 +0100 Message-ID: <35F01861.27215BAA > Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 09:42:09 -0700 From: John Robertson Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Please help with Amplifone monitor for Quantum References: <3f1ca37e.35efea19 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi Micheal! Did you replace ALL the transistors and any discolourd resistors? I assume that the caps you replaced were all 105degree ones. Did you turn the HV pot all the way down, that is counterclockwise? The red LED is the OverVoltage indicator, and it can be triggered by either a problem in the HV regulation OR a problem with the wiring on the Screen/Focus control. If you have a variable power supply you might try powering the puppie up gradually and scoping the 183V line to see what happens. That's what I do with a problem unit... The Game board should be disconnected for these tests, and short the inputs to the monitor XY lines to ground. This will give NO deflection to the output transistors, much like running an audio amp with a shorted input there is no danger of damage (well almost no danger). John :-#)# MKDUD wrote: > > Hello, > > Please help if you can. I've got an Amplifone monitor that I just can't > seem to get going. I've installed a new WinTron HV transformer, and installed > a > Zannen kit. The game PCB is producing good x and y signals. I'm getting no > spot > killer, and I can hear deflection chatter coming from the yoke. (spot killer > does light at power-up for an instant like it should.) I'm getting no HV, no > heater glow. I've replaced the BU406D on the HV board, and also have replaced > the 7824 and 7924. The "overvoltage" light comes on frequently from the HV > board, but after tweaking the pots on the HV board, the most HV we could get > was 8-10 KV, while hearing a wierd hiss from the anode. We did check both post > on the HV board, they test good. The anode is pluged in to the tube, and is > tight. While watching the meter (HV probe installed under the anode) the HV > began to climb to a more "normal" range (approached 18kv), the anode just > started to make a more "normal" power up sound, then we heard something pop > that sounded like it came from the deflection board. Now there is no HV at > all. > What goes to pin #2 when installing the WinTron HV transformer? (This is > the former pin #2 on the HV board that was used by the old HV transformer.) > According to Gregg's faq, pin #2 has nothing connected to it. Also, I have an > earlier Amplifone HV board that has 2 locations labled as "heater". I've got > the grey wire (from the WinTron HV unit) attatched to the "htr" location to > the > left of the brightness knob. I've installed the new HV transformer just like > the Faq says. What are some of the other components should check on the HV > board & deflection board? > When the older Amplifone HV units blow, what parts usually go out with it > (Aside from the Bu406d?) Can the old HV unit also blow components on the > deflection board when it goes? > Can somebody please tell me where I should be measuring voltages on the > deflection board (and HV board) so I can figure this out? Please help if you > can, I'm really stuck on this. > > Thanks Very Much, > Michael Kelley -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From ethst3+@pitt.edu Fri Sep 4 13:55:35 1998 Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id NAA03215 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:55:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unixs3.cis.pitt.edu (ethst3@unixs3.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.54]) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:55:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Ed Henciak X-Sender: ethst3@unixs3.cis.pitt.edu To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Please help with Amplifone monitor for Quantum In-Reply-To: <3f1ca37e.35efea19 > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN While on the subject of Amplifones, has anyone tried using TO3 versions of 78 and 7924s in place of the TO220 ones? They source .5A more and might perform better under heavy 'death star explosions'. Also, Mouser sells a 7824/7924 from NJR which sources more current? Would these help the Amplifone more/ make it more reliable. I was over Mike's last night with him tinkering with the Amplifone...it really wasn't making a hissing sound...it actually sounded more like you were pissing in a bucket (for lack of better terms)...it was kind of loud! The absolute highest the HV rose to was 9 KV. I checked out pin 3 on the 555 and there was a square wave (initially), but my scope sucks and I cannot really read the frequency very well (I got it for $15 at a thrift store, and it works in XY mode so I cannot complain). Now, there is no square wave which leads me to believe the 24V sources are dead. There is no LED comming on anymore on the HV board. John, we did exactly what you explained last night. However, I think shotgun replacing parts on this board isn't necessary (i.e. replacing all transistors). If the 555 isn't producing the square wave, then it is a safe bet that the board isn't producing 24V (or getting voltage from the deflection board), or the overvoltage circuitry SCR is stuck on somehow, right? If it is producing a square wave, then every time Q1s base gets a high pulse, Q2 should be shut off...etc. The basic building blocks of the HV booard are real easy to understand now that I have a good set of schematics. I'm just curious to hear other people's experience with these monitors after upgrading them with Wintron flybacks. Oh, and one more thing, does anyone know what the hell that big, red MC1 thing is? Sorry to ramble ... Ed From ClayC Fri Sep 4 15:59:21 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id PAA29426 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:59:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05094 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma005085; Fri, 4 Sep 98 13:58:45 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa21053; 4 Sep 98 13:58 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:58:14 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: Please help with Amplifone monitor for Quantum Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:58:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > Oh, and one more thing, does anyone know what the hell > that big, red MC1 thing is? > Isn't that the "magnetic correction" unit? I saw it described in a preliminary Amplifone manual (dunno if it's in the real version or not). My memory if foggy on it, but I want to say it had something to do with helping put the HVT into a resonant state ? -Clay From MKDUD Fri Sep 4 21:38:46 1998 Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id VAA04561 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:38:45 -0500 (CDT) From: MKDUD Received: from MKDUD by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id KGOYa12057 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:37:41 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:37:41 EDT To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Please help with Amplifone monitor for Quantum Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN In a message dated 98-09-04 12:40:27 EDT, you write: << Did you replace ALL the transistors and any discolourd resistors? I assume that the caps you replaced were all 105degree ones. Did you turn the HV pot all the way down, that is counterclockwise? The red LED is the OverVoltage indicator, and it can be triggered by either a problem in the HV regulation OR a problem with the wiring on the Screen/Focus control. >> Hello John, Thanks a bunch for the great advice. I did test all components before installing the WinTron HV unit, but I didn't replace them all. I think I'm going to do this, and then try again. How can I test the screen focus control? How could this be wired incorrectly? >>If you have a variable power supply you might try powering the puppie up gradually and scoping the 183V line to see what happens. That's what I do with a problem unit... The Game board should be disconnected for these tests, and short the inputs to the monitor XY lines to ground. This will give NO deflection to the output transistors, much like running an audio amp with a shorted input there is no danger of damage (well almost no danger).<< I don't have a variable power supply, but I would like to test the 183v line. Where is this located? Thanks for the advice about disconecting the game PCB. Thanks Again, Michael Kelley From jrr Sat Sep 5 11:37:11 1998 Received: from penelope.aktom.com (smtp.aktom.com [207.219.208.2] (may be forged)) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with SMTP id LAA26282 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 11:37:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nvcr01m01-32.bctel.ca (nvcr01m01-32.bctel.ca [207.194.20.32]) by penelope.flippers.com (NTMail 3.03.0012/4c.abyd) with ESMTP id ha010355 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:44:50 +0100 Message-ID: <35F16963.24005655 > Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 09:40:03 -0700 From: John Robertson Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Please help with Amplifone monitor for Quantum References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Ed Henciak wrote: > > While on the subject of Amplifones, has anyone tried using TO3 versions of > 78 and 7924s in place of the TO220 ones? They source .5A more and might > perform better under heavy 'death star explosions'. Also, Mouser sells a > 7824/7924 from NJR which sources more current? Would these help the > Amplifone more/ make it more reliable. I've only rarely seen the regulators fail. The primary problem seems to stem with the HV unit. There is some input protection that would be a good idea to limit the levels to the amps. Does everyone have that or would it be a usefull addition on my site? > I was over Mike's last night with him tinkering with the Amplifone...it > really wasn't making a hissing sound...it actually sounded more like you > were pissing in a bucket (for lack of better terms)...it was kind of loud! That Sizzling sound is NOT good. It usually means a HV leak somewheres. Turn off all the room lights and take a look to see if you can see the arcing. > The absolute highest the HV rose to was 9 KV. How did you measure this? WIth a proper HV probe or extrapolation? > I checked out pin 3 on the > 555 and there was a square wave (initially), but my scope sucks and I > cannot really read the frequency very well (I got it for $15 at a thrift > store, and it works in XY mode so I cannot complain). Now, there is no > square wave which leads me to believe the 24V sources are dead. There is The 555 should be running regardless of the HV system, it will turn on at about 4 Volts...did you measure the B+ across the 555? > no LED comming on anymore on the HV board. John, we did exactly what you > explained last night. However, I think shotgun replacing parts on this board > isn't necessary (i.e. replacing all transistors). If the 555 isn't > producing the square wave, then it is a > safe bet that the board isn't producing 24V (or getting voltage from the > deflection board), or the overvoltage circuitry SCR is stuck on somehow, > right? If it is producing a square wave, then every time Q1s base gets a > high pulse, Q2 should be shut off...etc. > > The basic building blocks of the HV booard are real easy to understand > now that I have a good set of schematics. I'm just curious to hear > other people's experience with these monitors after upgrading them with > Wintron flybacks. Oh, and one more thing, does anyone know what the hell > that big, red MC1 thing is? The red thing is some sort of resonator...maybe... We do now have the flyback testor kit in. It's something like $27US plus postage. Enough advertising... > > Sorry to ramble ... > Ed We'll get this fixed! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From david@hiwaay.net Sun Sep 6 17:43:12 1998 Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id RAA23837 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 17:43:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hiwaay.net (tnt2-130.HiWAAY.net [208.147.148.130]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA18737 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 17:43:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35F30FC7.861CF7C9@hiwaay.net> Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 17:42:15 -0500 From: Dave Turner Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Organization: USI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: FS: (AL) Star Wars UR References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN FOR SALE in Huntsville, AL: Atari Star Wars upright video game. This game is in great shape. I would estimate that it is at least a 9/10, having very few flaws (described later). The bad news: This UR has an Amplifone monitor, which is currently NOT working. I don't think it is getting high voltage, but can't be sure. It is probably the HV (flyback) transformer, but may be another problem. This game includes TWO High Voltage boards for your amusement. The good news: The actual game is working based on the sounds when you power it up. All the fire buttons work and it seems like the contols work. The flight control is smooth and solid, as it the buttons. Here is all the things I can tell you without a picture. The marquee is in great shape except it has some cracking on the lower left edge. A little glue could tack it down. The control panel is also in great shape, but does have a (very) few cigarette burns which is not very noticeable. The right front of the control panel has a slight scrape, also not very noticeable. Side art is complete and looks really great. There are about two or three blemishes such as some black paint overspray about 1/2 inch into the decal and a touched up spot about the size of a quarter on a black part of the decal. There is small scrape on one side, but it is small and is completely in the black part so it would be an easy touchup. It comes with some Amplifone repair manuals and schematics (one is an original, other is copy). Still has the instruction summary stapled to the back door. It does need a new power cord (or a splice). Summary: It's a good, clean, solid game which I feel would be hard to find in this condition. If I wasn't in such a hurry for money I would sell it on Ebay and get rich . Reason for selling: Well, I was debating on whether to sell. I have a mobile home so it is really too big. But the mowers hit my outside AC unit and I think it is going out (starting to get warm in here) so I *REALLY* need the cash to have it checked out, thus tipping the balance toward selling. Price: About $400, obo. I would also consider a cabaret machine and a little cash. The faster you reply the better... I am motivated to sell right now. No shipping available, but if you send me a deposit, I will hold the game until you can pass though this area. Thanks, ** Dave Turner / david@hiwaay.net ** From batlzone@cyberenet.net Sun Sep 6 21:50:39 1998 Received: from admin.cyberenet.net (admin.cyberenet.net [204.213.252.6]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with SMTP id VAA28251 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 21:50:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from batlzone.ppp.cyberenet.net [208.17.139.16] by admin.cyberenet.net with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #5) id 0zFrNz-00046N-00; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:50:36 -0400 Message-ID: <35F34AC7.C3783770@cyberenet.net> Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 22:53:59 -0400 From: Al Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vector List Subject: Tech: Ampliphone focus problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi everyone, The Ampliphone monitor in my Star Wars keeps loosing focus. It looks OK for a while then it slowly looses focus. The previous owner put new deflection transistors in it before I got it, I just put a cap kit in but didn't do the transistors. It has a Wintron flyback in it. I've tried all of the adjustments on the high voltage board, but none of them seem to help permanently. I don't get it. Any ideas? Anyone? Thanks. -Al- -- ==================================================================== -= Al Warner batlzone@cyberenet.net =- -= Owner of "Magic Sword", "AmeriDarts", "Stargate", "Toobin'", =- -= "Frogger", "Battlezone", "Star Wars", "Galaga" and "Dig Dug" =- -= arcade video games. Learn how to install a Cap Kit and see some =- -= of these games at http://www.cyberenet.net/~batlzone =- ==================================================================== From jrr Mon Sep 7 01:14:31 1998 Received: from penelope.aktom.com (smtp.aktom.com [207.219.208.2] (may be forged)) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with SMTP id BAA28062 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 01:14:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vanc01m02-95.bctel.ca (vanc01m02-95.bctel.ca [206.108.197.95]) by penelope.flippers.com (NTMail 3.03.0012/4c.abyd) with ESMTP id fa010405 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:22:17 +0100 Message-ID: <35F37A70.DA4480B9 > Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 23:17:20 -0700 From: John Robertson Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Organization: John's Jukes Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Tech: Ampliphone focus problems References: <35F34AC7.C3783770@cyberenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi AL! Have you montored the regulated HV feed to the picture tube neckboard? I believe it should be about 185V and should be quite stable. Stuff a voltmeter to monitor it, and when the focus changes see if that does too... If not then you have either a bad focus control OR a bad tube. John :-#)# Al Warner wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > The Ampliphone monitor in my Star Wars keeps loosing focus. It looks OK > for a while then it slowly looses focus. The previous owner put new > deflection transistors in it before I got it, I just put a cap kit in > but didn't do the transistors. It has a Wintron flyback in it. I've > tried all of the adjustments on the high voltage board, but none of them > seem to help permanently. I don't get it. Any ideas? Anyone? > > Thanks. > > -Al- > > -- > ==================================================================== > -= Al Warner batlzone@cyberenet.net =- > -= Owner of "Magic Sword", "AmeriDarts", "Stargate", "Toobin'", =- > -= "Frogger", "Battlezone", "Star Wars", "Galaga" and "Dig Dug" =- > -= arcade video games. Learn how to install a Cap Kit and see some =- > -= of these games at http://www.cyberenet.net/~batlzone =- > ==================================================================== -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) mailto:jrr "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." From chris.toseland@ntu.ac.uk Mon Sep 7 10:06:14 1998 Received: from lotus.ntu.ac.uk (lotus.ntu.ac.uk [152.71.0.147]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with SMTP id KAA06808 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:06:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: by lotus.ntu.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BDDA78.44F96E50@lotus.ntu.ac.uk>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:57:52 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Toseland, Chris" To: "'Vectorlist'" Subject: ICE MKII Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:57:51 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi folks, I'm working on the built in tests for my MkII Ice and want to add some tests that play a tune through the sound chip at a supplied base address. Can anyone give me some advice on programming AY-3-8910's and SN76494 sound processors? Thanks Chris email:Chris.Toseland@ntu.ac.uk web http://science.ntu.ac.uk/admin/cmt From rodspade@acm.org Tue Sep 8 12:54:03 1998 Received: from mail.paonline.com (mail.paonline.com [198.69.90.12]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id MAA20769 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:54:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from acm.org ([207.44.24.171]) by mail.paonline.com with ESMTP (IPAD 2.07) id 0678900 ; Tue, 08 Sep 1998 13:14:29 -0400 Message-ID: <35F56615.725DFDBB@acm.org> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 13:15:01 -0400 From: Rod Spade X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Tempest brightness inconsistent Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I'm considering buying a Tempest game. It's in pretty good shape, but sometimes when I was playing it the whole screen would suddenly get a little dimmer. A minute or two later it would get bright again. The change was rather subtle and didn't affect playability any. Also, the high-score screen seemed to shimmer a little like it couldn't keep the brightness consistent. Otherwise, the display was very sharp and clear. Has anybody seen this before? Is it something that would likely be fixed by installing one of those Zanen kits or the LV2000 modification? I'm hesitant about messing with it, since otherwise the display looks great (and I could easily live with it the way it is). Any advice would be appreciated. From jenison Tue Sep 8 13:33:45 1998 Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id NAA01586 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:33:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by ftpbox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id NAA29177 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:33:28 -0500 (CDT) Comments: ( Received on ftpbox.mot.com from client pobox.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by pobox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id NAA15041 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:33:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id NAA21978 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:27:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id NAA02088 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:27:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:27:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9809081327.ZM2086@calcite> X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Inconsistent brightness in WG color XY monitor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hopefully someone here can give me some suggestions. I have a WG color XY monitor which is brighter at the bottom of the screen (horizontally) than at the top. Any ideas? It has an LV2000 installed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From chris.toseland@ntu.ac.uk Sun Sep 13 11:48:47 1998 Received: from lotus.ntu.ac.uk (lotus.ntu.ac.uk [152.71.0.147]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with SMTP id LAA20536 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:48:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: by lotus.ntu.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BDDF3D.9A3E1180@lotus.ntu.ac.uk>; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:40:31 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Toseland, Chris" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: ICE Problems Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:40:30 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Just had a major clanger reported. It turns out I've transposed the Ioreq & Mreq signals on the schematic. Swap em over and you should be ok. Sorry for the inconvenience Chris From Mike_Ranger Mon Sep 14 13:00:42 1998 Received: from firewall.dofasco.ca (firewall.dofasco.ca [192.139.152.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id NAA11456 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:00:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike_Ranger Received: by firewall.dofasco.ca; id AA200556182; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:03:02 -0400 Received: from unknown(142.153.128.178) by firewall.dofasco.ca via smap (3.2) id xma020023; Mon, 14 Sep 98 14:02:55 -0400 Received: from msxhub1.dofasco.ca by PCSDAS.DOFASCO.CA (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:55:19 EST Received: by MSXHUB1.dofasco.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:28:46 -0400 Message-Id: <171626CE171CD2118C640000F8632634010CEBE7@DFSPO04.dofasco.ca> To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: VG 6100 19VLup22 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:28:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi all.. Been doing alot of deja-newsing latley on this tube - 19VLUP22. The reason? A friend of mine, (Paul, who you may all know) has in his hands a WG6100 monitor, complete with the exception of...deflection transistors (easy one) and Tube (not so easy one). It does have the yoke, and neck board. Here is what I've been reading.... 1) Use an ampliphone tube, sit back and be amazed at the increased resolution. - We have no known access to one .... 2) Order a new one from Richardsons for $165 US... - Seen the value of the canadian buck these days? 3) use a GO7 raster tube. Put up with difficult, possibly impossible convergance. Deal with a larger tube depth. 4) Some indication that the Disco monitor used a 19VLUP22 tube? Hey, when you deja-search you get all references to 19VLUP22 's!!! So the question I pose to the vecorlist is what are my *Real* options? What have you all done, and...heh..heh...anyone close to southern ontario giving away (read: selling cheap) any tubes, ampliphone, or WG... Mike Mike Ranger, P.Eng Process Automation Dofasco Inc. > * VOICE (905) 548-4591 FAX (905) 548-4891 *Mike_Ranger > > From cstup Mon Sep 14 13:38:49 1998 Received: from rome.ntr.net (ha1.ntr.net [206.112.0.10]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id NAA21769 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:38:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pobox.com (vc0699ntin.vencor.com [207.15.10.10]) by rome.ntr.net (NTR*NET 2.1.0) with ESMTP id OAA22416; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35FD628A.C8842327 > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:38:02 -0400 From: Corey Stup Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: NOS Vector control panels for sale References: <171626CE171CD2118C640000F8632634010CEBE7@DFSPO04.dofasco.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I know some people don't like commerce or auctions on here, but this stuff is kinda hard to find, so I though I'd give the non-rgvac reading people a shot at it too. I have some NOS control panels (overlays or plexis or complete) available. These are being sold in a mini-auction format ---------------------------- NOS Armor Attack control panel plexi NOS Star Castle control panel plexi NOS Cosmic Chasm control panel (complete panel) NOS Asteroids Deluxe control panel overlay NOS Asteroids control panel decal (original Atari, covers only the painted portion of the panel) NOS Gravitar control panel overlay NOS Space Duel control panel overlay Offers have already been made on most of this stuff. Email for more information. From mschulz Mon Sep 14 13:55:07 1998 Received: from tower.ti.com (tower.ti.com [192.94.94.5]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id NAA23340 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:55:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tilde.csc.ti.com ([157.170.1.149]) by tower.ti.com (8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01053 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:54:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ticipa.Works.Ti.Com (ticipa.works.ti.com [156.117.50.68]) by tilde.csc.ti.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA12179 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:54:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mschulz2 (mschulz.works.ti.com) by ticipa.Works.Ti.Com with SMTP id AA26179 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:50:53 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:54:18 -0500 Message-Id: <01BDDFE7.2AA640E0.mschulz > From: Michael Schulz Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: NOS Vector control panels for sale Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:54:17 -0500 Organization: Adventa Control Technologies, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > NOS Cosmic Chasm control panel (complete panel) > I might be interested n this one. What kind of offers have you been getting on this. Regards, Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions and views expressed are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of Adventa Control Technologies, Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ClayC Mon Sep 14 14:15:18 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id OAA28187 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:15:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04818 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma004793; Mon, 14 Sep 98 12:14:52 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa27938; 14 Sep 98 12:14 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:14:16 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: VG 6100 19VLup22 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:14:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > 3) use a GO7 raster tube. Put up with difficult, possibly > impossible convergance. Deal with a larger tube depth. > The convergence will be an issue no-matter since the yoke is off the tube. You'll have to adjust static and dynamic convergence to whatever replacement tube you use, but the GO7 did use the same CRT, so it should be as good as original in theory anyway... > 4) Some indication that the Disco monitor used a 19VLUP22 tube? > Hey, when you deja-search you get all references to 19VLUP22 's!!! > I can say from experience that the Disco in I,Robot used a Philips tube. The nice thing is that they're *really* nice tubes (and since most Disco power supplies blew up early on, there's seldom any burn-in). The Disco tube (at least in I,Robot) has the same neck connections as a GO7. I used the existing deflection yoke from the Philips and frankensteined a GO7 chassis on it (had to remove the plastic "collar" from around the pins on the tube-- makes for some pretty nervous Dremmel-ing!). The important stuff seems to be compatible-- heater, gun voltages, etc. I dunno what the XY yoke would do though. (Might have trouble fitting the pic on the screen or adjusting convergence?) -Clay From mschulz Mon Sep 14 14:28:18 1998 Received: from jester.ti.com (jester.ti.com [192.94.94.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id OAA03010 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:27:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tilde.csc.ti.com ([157.170.1.149]) by jester.ti.com (8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13878 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:26:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ticipa.Works.Ti.Com (ticipa.works.ti.com [156.117.50.68]) by tilde.csc.ti.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA15278 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:26:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mschulz2 (mschulz.works.ti.com) by ticipa.Works.Ti.Com with SMTP id AA28133 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:23:32 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:26:57 -0500 Message-Id: <01BDDFEB.BA3C8940.mschulz > From: Michael Schulz Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: NOS Vector control panels for sale Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:26:54 -0500 Organization: Adventa Control Technologies, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Ooops! That wasn't supposed to go to the list, just the original sender. Sorry folks! Mike > > > NOS Cosmic Chasm control panel (complete panel) > > > I might be interested n this one. > > What kind of offers have you been getting on this. > > Regards, > Mike > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The opinions and views expressed are my own, and do not > necessarily reflect those of Adventa Control Technologies, Inc. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions and views expressed are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of Adventa Control Technologies, Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Dangerwil Mon Sep 14 17:38:12 1998 Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id RAA05830 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:38:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Dangerwil Received: from Dangerwil by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id KYDGa14124 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <92736bb.35fd946d > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:10:53 EDT To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VG 6100 19VLup22 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Well, I have had great success using the tube from a Wells Gardner K4600 (the one with the stand up boards). It is virtually the same tube as the Ampliphone. It converges easily with the xy hardware. Just mark the magnet ring's position very carefully with a permanent marker, then reuse it with the vector yoke. The easiest way to get around the different tube socket is to replace the xy one with the one off the neckboard of the k4600. Good luck, Bill From cstup Mon Sep 14 19:55:53 1998 Received: from rome.ntr.net (ha1.ntr.net [206.112.0.10]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id TAA02677 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:55:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pobox.com (pool-207-205-187-98.clev.grid.net [207.205.187.98]) by rome.ntr.net (NTR*NET 2.1.0) with ESMTP id UAA25051 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35FDBA06.20D6FC9E > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:51:18 -0400 From: Corey Stup Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: NOS Vector control panels for sale References: <01BDDFE7.2AA640E0.mschulz > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Check out: http://www.ntr.net/~cstup/cpstandings.html For the current mini-auction standings. Thanks! From jenison Tue Sep 15 09:16:04 1998 Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id JAA18706 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:15:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by ftpbox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id JAA28708 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:15:37 -0500 (CDT) Comments: ( Received on ftpbox.mot.com from client pobox.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by pobox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id JAA03868 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:15:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id JAA25760 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:11:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id JAA01127 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:11:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:11:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9809150911.ZM1125@calcite> In-Reply-To: Dangerwil "Re: VG 6100 19VLup22" (Sep 14, 6:10pm) References: <92736bb.35fd946d > X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: VG 6100 19VLup22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I wish I had paid more attention to this thread, as I had the misfortune of breaking the neck on my Sega XY G08 monitor last night :-( After calling suicide hotline, I started looking through my monitor manuals. The G08 shares the same tube as the WG XY monitor, but I don't have any spares of that. All the raster monitor manuals I had specified either 19VLTP22 or 19VJTP22 tubes. Is there a common raster monitor that uses the same tube? I missed a few of the responses, so if people could forward their initial responses to me, I'd appreciate it. PS. Does this mailing list have an "archive" any more? If so, could someone point me to it. Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From jenison Tue Sep 15 10:22:15 1998 Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id KAA03483 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:22:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id KAA05955 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:21:43 -0500 (CDT) Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client pobox.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by pobox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id KAA12585 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:21:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id KAA00457 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:13:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id KAA02562 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:13:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:13:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9809151013.ZM2560@calcite> In-Reply-To: Dangerwil "Re: VG 6100 19VLup22" (Sep 14, 6:10pm) References: <92736bb.35fd946d > X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: VG 6100 19VLup22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Sep 14, 6:10pm, Dangerwil wrote: > Subject: Re: VG 6100 19VLup22 > Well, > > I have had great success using the tube from a Wells Gardner K4600 (the one > with the stand up boards). It is virtually the same tube as the Ampliphone. > It converges easily with the xy hardware. Just mark the magnet ring's > position very carefully with a permanent marker, then reuse it with the vector > yoke. The easiest way to get around the different tube socket is to replace > the xy one with the one off the neckboard of the k4600. What do you mean by "replace the socket", and why is this necessary? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From batlzone@cyberenet.net Tue Sep 15 10:41:07 1998 Received: from old-mailman.genacc-us.com ([205.134.131.18]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id KAA05216 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:41:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cyberenet.net (gahost183.genacc-us.com [205.134.131.183]) by old-mailman.genacc-us.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with ESMTP id AAA112; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:40:09 -0400 Message-ID: <35FE8A4E.3A04772C@cyberenet.net> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:40:00 -0400 From: Al Warner Organization: Al Warner, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu" Subject: Amplifone Help! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Hi everyone, My Amplifone has developed a problem. There is no glow in the tube and it has no picture. I can still hear the vectors being drawn. I am of the conclusion that this is a HV problem. The unit has a Wintron FB on it, but it is at least 7 years old (according to Wintron). I asked John Robertson about helping me with his retrofit of the WG-4600 FB, but he will be unable to help me for some time. I have a spare 4600 chassis so I could really use some help from someone who has done it. Can anyone help? Thanks, -Al- PS - The new FB from Wintron is $190.00 plus shipping and they are out. Zanen's replacement will be out in a few months at less than half of that. I'd like to get my SW working again, it's the best game in my collection and I miss it after only 3 days. PPS - I'd consider purchasing a good WG-6100 if anyone has an affordable one! -- ==================================================================== -= Al Warner batlzone@cyberenet.net =- -= Owner of "Magic Sword", "AmeriDarts", "Stargate", "Toobin'", =- -= "Frogger", "Battlezone", "Star Wars", "Galaga" and "Dig Dug" =- -= arcade video games. Learn how to install a Cap Kit and see some =- -= of these games at http://www.cyberenet.net/~batlzone =- ==================================================================== From ClayC Tue Sep 15 10:43:48 1998 Received: from suprahwy.supra.com (suprahwy.supra.com [205.229.114.11]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id KAA05495 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:43:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by suprahwy.supra.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA19228 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from supra.com(dogbert.supra.com 10.10.0.21) by suprahwy.supra.com via smap (V2.0) from ; id xma019225; Tue, 15 Sep 98 08:43:21 -0700 Received: from vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com by dogbert.supra.com id aa14821; 15 Sep 98 8:43 PDT Received: by vanmail3.van.diamondmm.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:42:44 -0700 Message-ID: From: Clay Cowgill To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: VG 6100 19VLup22 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:42:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > What do you mean by "replace the socket", and why is this necessary? > Although the pins on the tube are in the same position and have the same functions as a GO7 tube, the slip-on plastic collar that mates with the neck board connector is different. Some are silicone-caulked on and can be quite bothersome to remove. (I modified one by cutting the "interlock" part off with a Dremmel an Exact-o knife and a lot of tense moments... ;-) Some tubes don't have the neck connector glued on very well and it'll pop off with the heat of the tube (which is handy for this kind of work). -Clay From jhendrix Tue Sep 15 11:00:02 1998 Received: from mailhost.quark.com ([206.195.78.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id LAA06590 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:00:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from systems-1800.quark.com (denver.quark.com [206.195.71.223]) by mailhost.quark.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24114 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:59:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by systems_1800.quark.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:59:37 -0600 Message-ID: From: jeff hendrix To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: VG 6100 19VLup22 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:57:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN He means replace the socket on the WG xy neckboard with the socket from the K4600, so it will fit on the new tube. I've done this with a G07 socket. -jeff -----Original Message----- From: Mark Jenison [mailto:jenison ] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 9:14 AM To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: VG 6100 19VLup22 On Sep 14, 6:10pm, Dangerwil wrote: > Subject: Re: VG 6100 19VLup22 > Well, > > I have had great success using the tube from a Wells Gardner K4600 (the one > with the stand up boards). It is virtually the same tube as the Ampliphone. > It converges easily with the xy hardware. Just mark the magnet ring's > position very carefully with a permanent marker, then reuse it with the vector > yoke. The easiest way to get around the different tube socket is to replace > the xy one with the one off the neckboard of the k4600. What do you mean by "replace the socket", and why is this necessary? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From ethst3+@pitt.edu Tue Sep 15 12:03:07 1998 Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id MAA19539 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:03:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unixs1.cis.pitt.edu (ethst3@unixs1.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.31]) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:02:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Ed Henciak X-Sender: ethst3@unixs1.cis.pitt.edu To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: VG 6100 19VLup22 In-Reply-To: <9809150911.ZM1125@calcite> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Mark Jenison wrote: > I wish I had paid more attention to this thread, as I had the misfortune of > breaking the neck on my Sega XY G08 monitor last night :-( > I also have a tube with a broken neck from a Sega/Atari color XY....makes me sick. It's up for trade if anyone with a spare yoke wants it :)!!! I am not asking for much, but it's going to cost around $20 to ship. I guess all I really need right now are some Star Wars interconnect boards and some (preferably broken) sound boards from Star Wars. The more the merrier. However, if you are in a pinch and need one quick, I'll send it out now and we can work out details later (I trust everyone on this list). I just want to help someone for a change :)!!! > After calling suicide hotline, I started looking through my monitor manuals. > The G08 shares the same tube as the WG XY monitor, but I don't have any spares > of that. All the raster monitor manuals I had specified either 19VLTP22 or > 19VJTP22 tubes. Is there a common raster monitor that uses the same tube? I > missed a few of the responses, so if people could forward their initial > responses to me, I'd appreciate it. As with many others, I have read that the raster tubes used in WG K4600 series monitors work, but the yoke obviously has to be replaced. Aren't there more windings on vector yokes? > > PS. Does this mailing list have an "archive" any more? If so, could someone > point me to it. Thanks. > The archive is at www.spies.com...look for it under the vectorlist mailing list link. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison > Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From aek Tue Sep 15 12:25:48 1998 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with SMTP id MAA27772 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:25:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (425 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:25:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #9 built 1998-Jun-15) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:25:48 -0700 (PDT) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: VG 6100 19VLup22 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "> PS. Does this mailing list have an "archive" any more? If so, could someone > point me to it. Thanks. > The archive is at www.spies.com...look for it under the vectorlist mailing list link. unfortunately, none of the messages since the move have been archived. From bovine@eecs.umich.edu Tue Sep 15 12:37:44 1998 Received: from quip.eecs.umich.edu (bovine@quip.eecs.umich.edu [141.212.99.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id MAA29179 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:37:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (bovine@localhost) by quip.eecs.umich.edu (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA01047 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:37:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Mitchell Rohde To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: aztarac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Anyone know anything about this game? Rare? no? I have the chance to pick one up... Mitch From ethst3+@pitt.edu Tue Sep 15 12:41:58 1998 Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id MAA00125 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:41:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unixs1.cis.pitt.edu (ethst3@unixs1.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.31]) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:41:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Ed Henciak X-Sender: ethst3@unixs1.cis.pitt.edu To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: aztarac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Very rare....grab it, and grab it right now :)!!!! I have no idea how the game plays though. Does anyone have screen shots of it posted? On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Mitchell Rohde wrote: > > Anyone know anything about this game? Rare? no? I have the chance > to pick one up... > > Mitch > From aek Tue Sep 15 13:00:55 1998 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with SMTP id NAA02304 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:00:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (184 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:00:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #9 built 1998-Jun-15) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:00:56 -0700 (PDT) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: aztarac Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Buy it. Do not even think about it. From aek Tue Sep 15 13:02:45 1998 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with SMTP id NAA02470 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:01:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (171 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:01:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #9 built 1998-Jun-15) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:01:20 -0700 (PDT) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: aztarac Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN "Rare? no?" Rare, yes From Mike_Ranger Tue Sep 15 13:09:59 1998 Received: from firewall.dofasco.ca (firewall.dofasco.ca [192.139.152.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id NAA03152 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:09:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike_Ranger Received: by firewall.dofasco.ca; id AA177813147; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:12:28 -0400 Received: from unknown(142.153.128.178) by firewall.dofasco.ca via smap (3.2) id xma017707; Tue, 15 Sep 98 14:12:12 -0400 Received: from msxhub1.dofasco.ca by PCSDAS.DOFASCO.CA (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:04:35 EST Received: by MSXHUB1.dofasco.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:45:48 -0400 Message-Id: <171626CE171CD2118C640000F8632634010CEBF7@DFSPO04.dofasco.ca> To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: VG 6100 19VLup22 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:45:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Interesting to note.... In my quest for this tube information, I also spent the time seaching the old vectorlist archives. They remain a valuable resource. Thanks everyone for the info on the tube in question. Based on the information we feel confident to move ahead (or at least put the monitor on the -soon to be - active project list!). Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: aek ] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 1:26 PM > To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu > Subject: Re: VG 6100 19VLup22 > > "> PS. Does this mailing list have an "archive" any more? If so, could > someone > > point me to it. Thanks. > > > > The archive is at www.spies.com...look for it under the vectorlist mailing > list link. > > > unfortunately, none of the messages since the move have been archived. From jhendrix Tue Sep 15 14:23:58 1998 Received: from mailhost.quark.com ([206.195.78.3]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id OAA22518 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:23:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from systems-1800.quark.com (denver.quark.com [206.195.71.223]) by mailhost.quark.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27857 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:23:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by systems_1800.quark.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:23:37 -0600 Message-ID: From: jeff hendrix To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: aztarac Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:21:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Buy it, then sell it to me. I had a chance to buy one just over a year ago, but before I could make the trip (it was 3 states away) it was sold. -jeff -----Original Message----- From: Mitchell Rohde [mailto:bovine@eecs.umich.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 11:38 AM To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: aztarac Anyone know anything about this game? Rare? no? I have the chance to pick one up... Mitch From jenison Tue Sep 15 14:29:39 1998 Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id OAA23036 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:29:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by ftpbox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id OAA13821 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:28:54 -0500 (CDT) Comments: ( Received on ftpbox.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182.15.23]) by mothost.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id OAA28691 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:28:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from calcite.cig.mot.com (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-RELAY-1.11b) with ESMTP id OAA22253 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:25:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: (jenison (8.8.5/SCERG-1.12B) id OAA06031 for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:25:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:25:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Jenison Message-Id: <9809151425.ZM6029@calcite> In-Reply-To: Mitchell Rohde "aztarac" (Sep 15, 1:37pm) References: X-face: oR?Ne3)HMw-8KhQ[.WK_f(>#V%Uoh6<uZW2%T[G$FZ[$](cd:7rBD)F36`*Ea#ym.|Kw5k;\Zx*CkhL=Tg^mSN:b_D!UEf7C"&f\x7Xxt!#UmwVu|hX6brc8QWO;6+pNL X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: aztarac Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN On Sep 15, 1:37pm, Mitchell Rohde wrote: > Subject: aztarac > > Anyone know anything about this game? Rare? no? I have the chance > to pick one up... Fairly common...in fact, TOO common...it's taking up valuable space where a Double Dragon could be placed...it should probably be hauled off and destroyed...if you tell me it's location, I'll personally drive up there and get rid of it for you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From bovine@eecs.umich.edu Tue Sep 15 15:07:44 1998 Received: from quip.eecs.umich.edu (bovine@quip.eecs.umich.edu [141.212.99.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id PAA26260 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:07:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (bovine@localhost) by quip.eecs.umich.edu (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA06654 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:07:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Mitchell Rohde To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: aztarac In-Reply-To: <9809151425.ZM6029@calcite> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN y'all are just too funny... :) OK OK I'll buy it... Mitch On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Mark Jenison wrote: > On Sep 15, 1:37pm, Mitchell Rohde wrote: > > Subject: aztarac > > > > Anyone know anything about this game? Rare? no? I have the chance > > to pick one up... > > Fairly common...in fact, TOO common...it's taking up valuable space where a > Double Dragon could be placed...it should probably be hauled off and > destroyed...if you tell me it's location, I'll personally drive up there and > get rid of it for you. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Jenison E-mail address: jenison > Cellular Infrastructure Group Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From Brendan.Keith Tue Sep 15 15:24:20 1998 Received: from wcgdene001.itcmedia.com ([207.45.96.249]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id PAA04213 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:24:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: by wcgdene001.itcmedia.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:25:31 -0600 Message-ID: <01603F7CF8C7D111B9B80000F80463F737E801 > From: "Keith, Brendan" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: aztarac Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:24:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > From: Mitchell Rohde[SMTP:bovine@eecs.umich.edu] > > y'all are just too funny... :) > > OK OK I'll buy it... > > I'm still waiting to hear if there are pictures available. > > I can't remember anything about this game. > > Brendan Keith > brendan.keith > > > From aek Tue Sep 15 16:45:08 1998 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with SMTP id QAA19851 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:45:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (284 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:44:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #9 built 1998-Jun-15) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:44:47 -0700 (PDT) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: aztarac Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > I'm still waiting to hear if there are pictures available. there is one promo picture here: http://www.atarihq.com/coinops/index.html From fishd@tiac.net Tue Sep 15 21:02:40 1998 Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id VAA10380 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:02:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA25954 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:02:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fishd@tiac.net) Received: from p2.tc3.bedfo.MA.tiac.com (p2.tc3.bedfo.MA.tiac.com [209.61.104.131]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA08584 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:02:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fishd@tiac.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980915220310.11ef8732@pop.tiac.net> X-Sender: fishd@pop.tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:03:10 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: fishd Subject: Re: aztarac In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_905922190==_" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN --=====================_905922190==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:37 PM 9/15/98 -0400, you wrote: > > Anyone know anything about this game? Rare? no? I have the chance > to pick one up... > > Mitch > > > The document that's attached gives a very thurough description of the game play. It was shamelessly copied from the manual. Enjoy. Oh, and by all means, snag it, it's a kinda cool game. --=====================_905922190==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="AZTARAC.TXT" AZTARAC ATTRACT MODE Upon power-up, the Aztarac game will pause for a second or so during the= initial power-up RAM test (see below), and then enter the attract mode. The= title page of the attract mode consists of a large circle with the name= "Aztarac" written across it, expanding and contracting rhythmically while= three groups of "electrons" whirl about it. A copyright message appears in= a smaller white circle in the lower right of the display. The large circle= containing the name of the game oscillates in size at a gradually= increasing speed until it reaches a frantic rate, at which point it= explodes. As the explosion proceeds, a moving star field begins to fade in the= background. The explosion eventually scintillates away to invisibility= while the star field comes up to full brightness, at which point the legend= "4031 A.D." fades into view in large purple letters in the center of the= screen. This then fades away, and, with the star field still moving past, a= series of words begins to scroll past, saying: "A THOUSAND YEARS OF= INTERSTELLAR PEACE HAS COME TO AN END." At this point, a rotating yellow starbase composed of four pulsating= diamonds enters the screen from the upper right and begins to move toward= the lower left. When the starbase is about a third of the way down the= screen, the scrolling words continue with: "TERRAN STARBASES ARE UNDER= ATTACK BY ALIEN ROBOT DRONES" -- a phalanx of pulsating green drones comes= into view here -- " FROM BEYOND THE SWAN NEBULA." The green drones= eventually exit the screen to the lower left and the scrolling words sum up= with: "YOUR MISSION AS STARSHIP COMMANDER IS:", and as these letters scroll= off the top of the screen, the phrase "DEFEND THE STARBASES!" is hammered= out, teletype-style, in flashing letters at screen center. Once this phrase= has been typed out, it remains in place for a short time, flashing brightly= in letters that grow and shrink in sync with their color pulsation's, to= emphasize to the viewer that this is the object of the game. Now the display changes to a "condensing" starbase in preparation for a= short sample of game play action. The player's ship is shown coming out of= the center of the starbase and attacking a phalanx of drone ships toward= the upper right. The phalanx is moving toward the starbase, and the= player's ship is unable to destroy them all before some of them reach it,= so one of the player's starbase "lobes" is destroyed, along with the= remaining members of the phalanx. Then the player's ship moves off toward= the lower left to successfully intercept and destroy another phalanx, then to the upper left with the same= result, and finally to the lower right with the same result once again. It= then moves back into the center of the starbase and point values of 1000,= 2500, and 5000 are shown for each of the three remaining starbase lobes,= respectively. The effect of this sample play action sequence is to= demonstrate most of the elementary aspects of the game: the smooth, fluid= motion of the player's ship; the ability to rotate and shoot the laser in= any direction, independent of the direction of motion of the ship; the fact= that enemy ships move toward the base at all times, and that points are= lost by allowing them to reach it; the fact that the enemy ships will shoot= back under certain circumstances (it is left to the player to figure out= what these circumstances are); and the necessity of returning to the center= of the base when all enemy ships are gone in order to collect bonus points= for each of the base lobes saved. Demonstrations of the radar and the use= of pods are omitted, since these are intended to be of interest only to the= more advanced player. Now the screen displays the high-score page, showing the top three players'= initials and scores under little "medallions" labeled GOLD, SILVER, and= BRONZE. Large pulsating letters proclaim that these are the "ALL TIME= CHAMPIONS", while three sets of arcs spin rapidly about the rim of the= display, the medallions resonate, and the players' initials rhythmically= throb. After several seconds of this, the display returns to the title page= and the cycle repeats. Throughout the above, the score(s) achieved in the preceding game (or, 0, at= power-up) continue to be displayed in the upper left corner of the screen,= and the previous power and energy indicators remain in view at the lower= left and right, respectively. Either "INSERT COIN" or "FREE PLAY" appears= in the upper right corner, depending on whether or not the game has been= placed in free-play mode. At any time during the attract mode, an onlooker= may hit the radar button to move directly to the high-score page, or may= pull the joystick trigger to move directly to the point at which "DEFEND= THE STARBASES" is hammered out. GAME PLAY When a game credit is present and no game is currently underway, the display will show the words "WELCOME ABOARD COMMANDER" in flashing shifting= red/purple colors, along with a flashing red/yellow=20 "PRESS START ONE" message. If more than one credit is present, the= additional words "OR START TWO" will flash beneath this. When the player presses START ONE, the unit displays a flashing ATTENTION= ALL UNITS message, and, after a second or two of this, "STARBASE CAPRICORN= UNDER ATTACK" appears, to the accompaniment of frantic-beeping at various= pitches. Then the display shows Starbase Capricorn "condensing" and the= play begins. The object of the game is simply to "defend the starbases", i.e., to prevent= any of the alien robot drone ships from making contact with any of the= starbase "lobes" (each of the four sections of a starbase is called a= "lobe"). To accomplish this, the player may destroy the drones by shooting= them or colliding with them, or he may find that certain drones cannot harm= the starbase and may be let go. The play centers around preservation of the= starbases, terminating when all four lobes of a given starbase are= captured, so the player has unlimited "lives" and may allow his ship to be= destroyed as much as he likes, as long as he preserves at least one base= lobe under each "sign" or zone. Points are awarded for each drone ship destroyed (see below for specific= point values). Bonus points are also given for each base lobe left once all= enemy ships are gone. The "Condition" field appearing at the upper right of= the display indicates both whether or not any enemy ships remain and= whether, if any do remain, they constitute a threat to the player's= survival. Condition RED indicates that enemy ships exist and that the= number of remaining phalanxes of them is sufficient to destroy all of the= player's remaining base lobes if they are left unmolested. Condition YELLOW= indicates that drone ships exist but that the number of phalanxes of them= is less than the number of remaining base lobes, so that the player need= not fear losing the game on the current round but may still destroy drone= ships for more points if he so desires. Condition GREEN indicates that no= more enemy ships exist -- from the moment when this condition goes into= effect, the player has about 20 seconds to get back to the center of the= starbase to collect his bonus points. 1000 points are awarded for the first= base lobe preserved, 2500 for the second, and 5000 for the third. If all= four lobes are preserved at a given stage, 20000 bonus points are awarded,= along with a bonus power pod and a bonus energy pod, and the player skips a= stage. This gives intermediate and advanced players both the incentive and= the means to play quickly through the signs they have already mastered. Each starbase up until Starbase Virgo has either a power pod or an energy= pod orbiting it. These may be picked up by running the ship across them at= any time. Picking up a power pod increases the speed of the player's ship,= while picking up an energy pod increases the rate at which it fires when= the trigger is held on. Experienced players will always want to pick up= these pods, since they hold the key to penetration of the later stages.= Inexperienced players will ordinarily not pick them up, either because they= cannot find them (the use of the radar is almost indispensable to this) or= because they cannot yet handle the increased speed conferred by the power= pods (the energy pods are always desirable, independent of skill level). The radar may be used at any time to see over long distances. It works like= a conventional WW2 radar, sweeping around in a circle and blipping at the= appropriate distance from the center each time the beam sweeps across= something. The rate of rotation of the radar beam is a function of the sign= the player is under -- in Capricorn and Aquarius the beam is at it's= slowest; for Pisces, Aries, and Taurus it speeds up a little; in Gemini,= Cancer, and Leo it is faster yet, and so on. Each time the player activates= the radar the beam flips its direction of rotation -- this feature allows= the beam to be swept back and forth rapidly over an object of interest as= the player approaches it, so that when he gets close enough to it to see it= directly he will be in position to deal with it appropriately. Everything= except the stars show up in the radar: the starbase lobes, the pods, and= all enemy phalanxes. Turning on the radar interferes with neither moving= nor shooting (for both the player and the drones!). There are six different kinds of drone ships altogether, and ten basic= phalanx formation shapes. Under the first sign, Capricorn, only the= simplest of each appears, the so-called "Dumb" drone ships, in the "Very= Small Rectangle" formation. Only four such phalanxes appear, and they all= move in very slowly from initial positions very close to the starbase,= making this starbase a very easy one to defend. One additional drone ship= type and one additional phalanx formation type, more or less, is added in= each subsequent sign, and the number and speeds of the phalanxes also= increase gradually as the signs progress. The=20six drone ship types are as= follows: l. Type: Dumb Visual: Triangular, pulsating green (green radar blip) Arms: Ordinary projectiles, slow Tracking: Barrel straight forward no response to player Points: 20 2. Type: Rocket Visual: Pentagonal, undulating orange (orange radar blip) Arms: Ordinary projectiles, medium speed Tracking: Forward 160 degrees, slow response Points: 35 3. Type: Nasty Visual: Octagonal, rotating blue/red (purple radar blip) Arms: Ordinary projectiles, fast Tracking: Full 360 degrees, fast response Points: 60 4. Type: Dumb Class II Visual: Triangular, pulsating purple (blue radar blip)=20 Arms: Smart projectiles, slow Tracking: Barrel straight forward, no response to player Points: 25 5. Type: Rocket Class II Visual: Pentagonal, sparkling yellow (yellow radar blip)=20 Arms: Smart projectiles, medium speed Tracking: Forward 160 degrees, fast response Points: 40 6. Type: Nasty Class II Visual: Octagonal, whirling yellow/blue (white radar blip) Arms: Smart projectiles, fast Tracking: Full 360 degrees, instantaneous response Points: 80 The nine phalanx types are as follows: l. Very Small Rectangle, 3x4 2. Small Rectangle, 3x6 3. Rectangle, 4x8 4. Very Small Delta, a triangular formation with 10 ships in a= bowling-pin-type pattern 5. Small Delta, like Very-Small Delta except with a fifth row of 5= ships 6. Delta, a large V-shaped formation containing 30 ships 7. Glob, a 6x6 formation with missing corners 8. Glob Escort, 8 ships in a large circle 9. Dagger, a dagger-shaped formation of 32 ships 10. Dagger Kicker, a 2x4 rectangular kicker on the Dagger The distribution of phalanxes by sign, then, is as follows: 1. Capricorn 4 Very Small Rectangles of Dumb ships 2. Aquarius 2 Very Small Rectangles of Dumb ships 1 Very Small Delta of Dumb ships 2 Very Small Deltas of Rocket ships 3. Pisces 1 Small Rectangle of Dumb ships 1 Very Small Delta of Rocket ships 1 Very Small Rectangle of Rocket ships 1 Small Rectangle of Rocket ships 1 Very Small Delta of Nasty ships =20 4. Aries 1 Small Delta of Dumb ships 1 Small Rectangle of Rocket ships 2 Small Deltas of Rocket ships 2 Very Small Deltas of Nasty ships 5. Taurus 1 Small Rectangle of Dumb ships 1 Glob of Dumb ships, escorted by 1 Glob Escort of Nasty ships 1 Small Rectangle of Rocket ships 1 Small Delta of Rocket ships 1 Small Rectangle of Nasty ships 1 Sma11 Rectangle of Class II Dumb ships 6. Gemini 1 Dagger of Dumb ships 1 Dagger of Rocket ships 1 Glob of Rocket ships, escorted by 1 Glob Escort of Nasty ships 1 Dagger of Nasty ships 1 Small Rectangle of Class II Dumb ships 1 Glob of Class II Dumb ships 1 Small Rectangle of Class II Rocket ships 7.Cancer 1 Dagger of Dumb ships, with 1 Dagger Kicker of Class II Nasty ships 1 Rectangle of Rocket ships 1 Rectangle of Nasty ships 1 Very Small Delta of Nasty ships, escorted by 1 Glob Escort of Class II Rocket ships 1 Dagger of Class II Dumb ships 1 Small Delta of Class II Nasty ships 8. Leo 1 Delta of Dumb ships 1 Delta of Rocket ships 2 Deltas of Nasty ships 1 Delta of Class II Dumb ships 1 Delta of Class II Rocket ships 2 Deltas of Class II Nasty ships 9. Virgo 1 Rectangle of Dumb Ships 1 Delta of Dumb ships 1 Dagger of Rocket ships 1 Delta of Rocket ships, combined with 1 Small Delta of Class II Nasty ships 1 Very Small Rectangle of Nasty ships 1 Rectangle of Class II Dumb ships 1 Dagger of Class II Rocket ships, with 1 Dagger Kicker of Nasty ships 1 Dagger of Class II Nasty ships 10. Libra 9 Globs of Nasty ships (all in a row!) 11. Scorpio 1 Very Small Rectangle of Dumb ships 1 Very Small Rectangle of Rocket ships 1 Rectangle of Nasty ships 1 Delta of Nasty ships, combined with 1 Small Delta of Class II Nasty ships 1 Delta of Class II Dumb ships 1 Dagger of Class II Dumb ships 1 Glob of Class II Rocket ships 1 Dagger of Class II Rocket ships 1 Rectangle of Class II Nasty ships 12. Sagittarius 1 Rectangle of Dumb ships 1 Glob of Dumb ships, escorted by 1 Glob Escort of Class II Nasty ships 1 Dagger of Rocket ships, with 1 Dagger Kicker of Class II Nasty ships 1 Delta of Nasty ships, combined with 1 Small Delta of Class II Nasty ships 1 Delta of Class II Rocket ships, combined with 1 Small Delta of Nasty ships 1 Dagger of Class II Nasty ships 10 --=====================_905922190==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" David Fish | "We want...Information. INFORMATION Melrose, MA USA | You won't get it! fishd@tiac.net | By hook or by crook we will" dfish | _The Prisoner_ --=====================_905922190==_-- From ethst3+@pitt.edu Tue Sep 15 22:06:17 1998 Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id WAA27305 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:06:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unixs4.cis.pitt.edu (ethst3@unixs4.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.55]) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:06:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Ed Henciak X-Sender: ethst3@unixs4.cis.pitt.edu To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: aztarac In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19980915220310.11ef8732@pop.tiac.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Is there any chance we will see Aztarac emulated, or is it going to be 'reserved' like Alpha 1 and Lunar Battle? That rotating sphere-type targeting system I saw on that promo page (www.atarihq.com) seems like something right out of Star Trek and I'd just like to give the game a shot :)! Ed PS I want to enforce that I am in no way complaning about witholding ROMS for extremely rare/prototype games...I am actually for people doing that...still keeps the adventure of collecting to play alive :). Besides, they paid/traded an arm and a leg for them! No need to bring that thread up again...sorry. From jess Tue Sep 15 22:58:53 1998 Received: from roper.uwyo.edu (pmdf@roper.uwyo.edu [129.72.10.8]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id WAA06768 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:58:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from asuwlink.uwyo.edu by ROPER.UWYO.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #27528) with ESMTP id <0EZC00872YV6NE@ROPER.UWYO.EDU> for vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:54:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glitter-dial (ras8725.uwyo.edu [129.72.87.25]) by asuwlink.uwyo.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA15713 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:53:37 -0600 From: Jess Askey Subject: Re: aztarac To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-id: <35FF3641.A3D > Organization: The Audio Analyst/The Game Spot MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Ed Henciak wrote: > > Is there any chance we will see Aztarac emulated, or is it going to be > 'reserved' like Alpha 1 and Lunar Battle? That rotating sphere-type > targeting system I saw on that promo page (www.atarihq.com) seems like > something right out of Star Trek and I'd just > like to give the game a shot :)! > > Ed > > PS I want to enforce that I am in no way complaning about witholding ROMS > for extremely rare/prototype games...I am actually for people doing > that...still keeps the adventure of collecting to play alive :). Besides, > they paid/traded an arm and a leg for them! No need > to bring that thread up again...sorry. Im thinking that my last post didn't make it throught I guess... Alpha 1 has been emulated on Retrocade for the last 9 months. :-) jess -- ** I buy flyers!!! ** ********* The Game Archive *********** Jess Askey * Pinball, Video, Parts, Collecting * 916 S. 8th Street * http://www.gamearchive.com * Laramie WY 82070 ************************************** From aek Tue Sep 15 23:23:32 1998 Received: from spies.com (root@[206.67.152.210]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with SMTP id XAA15181 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:23:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (445 bytes) by spies.com via send-mail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:23:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #9 built 1998-Jun-15) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:23:36 -0700 (PDT) From: aek (Al Kossow) To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: Re: aztarac Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN The roms are already out there. The display subsystems for it, and Cosmic Chasm are different enough from the other vector designs that no one has gotten a simulation running yet. The hardware for Vertigo is REALLY nasty. It has a 68k, and a 2901 and appears to be able to support curved vectors. From tonizzo Wed Sep 16 07:48:03 1998 Received: from inergen.sybase.com (inergen.sybase.com [192.138.151.43]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id HAA27247 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:48:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp1.sybase.com (sybgate.sybase.com [130.214.220.35]) by inergen.sybase.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id FAA14128 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 05:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from by smtp1.sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.5-030896) id AB05673; Wed, 16 Sep 98 05:48:00 PDT Received: by gwwest.sybase.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 88256681.00464B07 ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 05:47:47 -0700 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SYBASENOTES From: "Paul Tonizzo" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-Id: <88256681.004649B3.00 > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:55:18 -0400 Subject: WG 6100 XY problems... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Greetings all, Firstly, I'd like to thank the group for all the responses to Mike's post about replacing the WG6100 tube - he was kind enough to post the question for me yesterday (thanks Mike!) as I was kinda swamped with other things. :') I'm pretty sure I can find a replacement for it now. Secondly, I'm hoping that someone in the group can give me some clues about these two 6100 deflection board problems. I have definately isolated it down to the 2 deflection boards in question as the source of the problems. Board#1: Everything appears great when the game is powered up except... Vectors along the edge of the screen are a little shaky. It does not get better or worse as the game warms up. When you look at the whole picture, it almost appears as though the whole picture is wavy - but mostly around the edges. Think of projecting the vectors onto a flag that's waving in the wind. The shakyness is not too bad and could be lived with but I'd like to fix it if possible. Board#2: Works 100% during game mode - never seen a problem with it at all except... When I go into test mode for Space Duel and go to the second test screen. The second test screen consists of a diamond hatch pattern filling the screen. On a known good deflection board, the pattern is stable. On the deflection board in question, the picture starts off fine and then very quickly "zooms in" on the screen up to about 10 X magnification (weird, I know). So instead of seeing an outlined box of diamond shapes, I see only about a 6" square middle section of the screen blown up to fill the whole screen. (I hope that makes sense.). Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks again, Paul From Todd.Miller Wed Sep 16 08:01:14 1998 Received: from ronweb.com (www.ronweb.com [199.244.165.220]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id IAA27554 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:01:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gateway.ronweb.com ([10.1.10.202]) by gateway.ronweb.com with ESMTP id <40321>; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:53:41 -0400 Received: by CTHQ1E01 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:56:09 -0400 Message-ID: <2FD99C4CD318D111BE0300A0C981D39C2BB462@CTHQ1E01> From: Todd Miller To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: WG 6100 XY problems... Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:56:07 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Is your HV cage cover installed ? I just recapped/LV2000 a WG 6100 and it was wavy afterwards as well. I had left the cover off the HV cage to keep it cooler, but when I put it back on the waves went away ! Todd Miller, IT Operations Dept. Ron Weber and Associates 103 E. State Street, Mason City, IA 50401 (515)423-4293/(515)423-4594 FAX http://www.telethinking.com Board#1: Everything appears great when the game is powered up except... Vectors along the edge of the screen are a little shaky. It does not get better or worse as the game warms up. When you look at the whole picture, it almost appears as though the whole picture is wavy - but mostly around the edges. Think of projecting the vectors onto a flag that's waving in the wind. The shakyness is not too bad and could be lived with but I'd like to fix it if possible. From Brendan.Keith Wed Sep 16 08:16:36 1998 Received: from wcghoue002.wilex.wilcom.com (wcghoue002.wilcom.com [169.206.239.198]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id IAA04944 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:16:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: by wcghoue002.wilcom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:17:20 -0500 Message-ID: <01603F7CF8C7D111B9B80000F80463F737E802 > From: "Keith, Brendan" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: WG 6100 XY problems... Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:16:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Just a thought, but I'm currently working on a couple of Tempest board sets. One of them reports a bad RAM but you can still switch out of test and play it. During different stages of the game, the picture will collapse to a quarter or to the left or to a horizontal line. It looks like crazy deflection problems but the monitor is actually fine. That sounds similar to your second problem. Maybe not the problem you're having but it might come in handy for someone. As for your first problem, I had similar symptoms on my Star Wars Turned out to be a loose ground wire from the deflection board to the chassis. Now, my other board. I need a little advice. It was running fine then suddenly all Y deflection gave out. Right at the board. The Y Out line seems pegged at a negative voltage. I noticed that the supply voltage was actually about 6.2 VDC. Is this likely to burn out a DAC? I'm going to hunt for the schematics this morning. Brendan Keith brendan.keith From tonizzo Wed Sep 16 08:37:41 1998 Received: from inergen.sybase.com (inergen.sybase.com [192.138.151.43]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id IAA06856 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:37:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp1.sybase.com (sybgate.sybase.com [130.214.220.35]) by inergen.sybase.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id GAA18385 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from by smtp1.sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.5-030896) id AB10982; Wed, 16 Sep 98 06:37:38 PDT Received: by gwwest.sybase.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 88256681.004AD455 ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:37:20 -0700 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SYBASENOTES From: "Paul Tonizzo" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-Id: <88256681.004AD256.00 > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:44:49 -0400 Subject: RE: WG 6100 XY problems... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN >Is your HV cage cover installed ? I just recapped/LV2000 a WG 6100 and >it was wavy afterwards as well. I had left the cover off the HV cage to >keep it cooler, but when I put it back on the waves went away ! Yes, it is. I also tried a good deflection board with that HV cage and it was fine. Could a noisy LV supply possibly cause this? I have to check it... Paul From tonizzo Wed Sep 16 08:39:49 1998 Received: from inergen.sybase.com (inergen.sybase.com [192.138.151.43]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id IAA07014 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:39:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smtp1.sybase.com (sybgate.sybase.com [130.214.220.35]) by inergen.sybase.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id GAA18618 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from by smtp1.sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.5-030896) id AB11139; Wed, 16 Sep 98 06:39:46 PDT Received: by gwwest.sybase.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 88256681.004B090E ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:39:35 -0700 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SYBASENOTES From: "Paul Tonizzo" To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Message-Id: <88256681.004B0876.00 > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:47:06 -0400 Subject: RE: WG 6100 XY problems... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN >Just a thought, but I'm currently working on a couple of Tempest >board sets. One of them reports a bad RAM but you can still switch >out of test and play it. During different stages of the game, the >picture >will collapse to a quarter or to the left or to a horizontal line. It >looks >like crazy deflection problems but the monitor is actually fine. Very strange... I have tried another Space Duel pcb and it does the same thing. So in my case, at least I know it's definately the deflection board. >As for your first problem, I had similar symptoms on my Star Wars >Turned out to be a loose ground wire from the deflection board to >the chassis. I'll check it but I'm quite sure it's fine. Thanks, Paul From cmoore Wed Sep 16 08:50:34 1998 Received: from heartlab.com (heartlab.com [209.113.195.248]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with SMTP id IAA07635 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:50:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from milliways [209.113.195.217] by heartlab.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A22C2C301D0; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:50:36 EDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980916135902.00c3c974 > X-Sender: cmoore X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:59:02 -0400 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: "Christopher V. Moore" Subject: RE: WG 6100 XY problems... Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN >Now, my other board. I need a little advice. It was running fine >then suddenly all Y deflection gave out. Right at the board. >The Y Out line seems pegged at a negative voltage. >I noticed that the supply voltage was actually about 6.2 VDC. >Is this likely to burn out a DAC? I'm going to hunt for the >schematics this morning. > >Brendan Keith >brendan.keith > My tempest board had the same problem when I got it. It turned out to be the inverting op-amp, TL082 if memory serves, just before it left the board. -Chris -- Christopher V. Moore -- Principal Engineeer Heartlab, Inc. - 101 Airport Rd - Westerly, RI 02891 -- www.heartlab.com Phone: (401) 596-0592 x113 - Fax: (401) 596-8562 - Email: cmoore "Let's get this mother out of here!" -- Last words spoken on the moon by Gene Cernin, Apollo 17. From Brendan.Keith Wed Sep 16 08:58:18 1998 Received: from wcghoue002.wilex.wilcom.com (wcghoue002.wilcom.com [169.206.239.198]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id IAA08202 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:58:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: by wcghoue002.wilcom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:59:19 -0500 Message-ID: <01603F7CF8C7D111B9B80000F80463F737E804 > From: "Keith, Brendan" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: RE: WG 6100 XY problems... Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:58:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > From: Christopher V. Moore[SMTP:cmoore ] > > >The Y Out line seems pegged at a negative voltage. > > My tempest board had the same problem when I got it. It turned out > to be the inverting op-amp, TL082 if memory serves, just before it > left > the board. > Great, sounds reasonable. Now, why can't I find the Tempest schematics anywhere online? I have the other manuals from stormaster. > > > Brendan Keith > brendan.keith > > From Brendan.Keith Wed Sep 16 09:35:48 1998 Received: from wcgdene001.itcmedia.com ([207.45.96.249]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id JAA18067 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:35:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: by wcgdene001.itcmedia.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:37:20 -0600 Message-ID: <01603F7CF8C7D111B9B80000F80463F737E806 > From: "Keith, Brendan" To: "'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" Subject: Tempest schematics Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:36:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN OK, I found them on Spies. Thanks, Mike. TIFF, ugh. Brendan Keith brendan.keith From Mike_Ranger Wed Sep 16 09:49:55 1998 Received: from firewall.dofasco.ca (firewall.dofasco.ca [192.139.152.1]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id JAA19862 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:49:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike_Ranger Received: by firewall.dofasco.ca; id AA296827545; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:52:25 -0400 Received: from unknown(142.153.128.178) by firewall.dofasco.ca via smap (3.2) id xma029590; Wed, 16 Sep 98 10:52:12 -0400 Received: from msxhub1.dofasco.ca by PCSDAS.DOFASCO.CA (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:44:38 EST Received: by MSXHUB1.dofasco.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:43:39 -0400 Message-Id: <171626CE171CD2118C640000F8632634010CEC04@DFSPO04.dofasco.ca> To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Tempest schematics Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:43:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN I find that if I bring them into MS Photo Editor, they print out relly nice, although they are hard to read on the screen. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith, Brendan [SMTP:Brendan.Keith ] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 10:36 AM > To: 'vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu' > Subject: Tempest schematics > > OK, I found them on Spies. Thanks, Mike. TIFF, ugh. > > Brendan Keith > brendan.keith From callan@flash.net Wed Sep 16 10:14:20 1998 Received: from centurion.flash.net (centurion.flash.net [209.30.0.22]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id KAA23143 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:14:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wassuppc (p117.amax8.dialup.hou1.flash.net [209.30.66.117]) by centurion.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA05490 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:14:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003001bde184$a09fc5c0$75421ed1@wassuppc> From: "Callan Hendricks" To: Subject: Re: aztarac Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:13:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.0 Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN >> Is there any chance we will see Aztarac emulated, or is it going to be >> 'reserved' like Alpha 1 and Lunar Battle? That rotating sphere-type >> targeting system I saw on that promo page (www.atarihq.com) seems like >> something right out of Star Trek and I'd just >> like to give the game a shot :)! >> >> Ed >> >> PS I want to enforce that I am in no way complaning about witholding ROMS >> for extremely rare/prototype games...I am actually for people doing >> that...still keeps the adventure of collecting to play alive :). Besides, >> they paid/traded an arm and a leg for them! No need >> to bring that thread up again...sorry. > >Im thinking that my last post didn't make it throught I guess... Alpha 1 >has been emulated >on Retrocade for the last 9 months. :-) So has lunar Battle... Callan. From Anders_Knudsen Wed Sep 16 10:39:03 1998 Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic.adaptec.com [208.236.45.80]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id KAA00954 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:39:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kingdom.adaptec.com (kingdom [162.62.162.10]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11022 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from btc.btc.adaptec.com (btc.btc.adaptec.com [162.62.63.6]) by kingdom.adaptec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA11142 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809161537.IAA11142 > Received: from alderaan (alderaan.btc.adaptec.com [162.62.63.46]) by btc.btc.adaptec.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA23620 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:37:41 -0600 X-Sender: andersk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:41:35 -0600 To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu From: Anders Knudsen Subject: RE: WG 6100 XY problems... In-Reply-To: <88256681.004AD256.00 > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu Sender: owner-vectorlist@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.07 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN At 09:44 AM 9/16/98 -0400, you wrote: > > > >>Is your HV cage cover installed ? I just recapped/LV2000 a WG 6100 and >>it was wavy afterwards as well. I had left the cover off the HV cage to >>keep it cooler, but when I put it back on the waves went away ! > >Yes, it is. I also tried a good deflection board with that HV cage and it >was fine. > >Could a noisy LV supply possibly cause this? I have to check it... > Very possible. If you've tried this deflection pcb on several different games, and it exhibits the same "problem", then it's probably not a game pcb problem. If you have access to a scope, measure the DC off the LV supply and zoom in to see if there is excessive ripple. If so, replace transistors/caps on LV supply or install an LV2000. Only other thing I can think of off the top of my head, is that you are getting some kind of 60Hz noise in the monitor. 60Hz noise would show up as slow wavy stuff. This would be caused by a grounding problem. Does the main power cord have a ground plug? -Anders. From jenison Wed Sep 16 11:33:16 1998 Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/mcfeeley.mc-1.23) with ESMTP id LAA13973 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:33:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by ftpbox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id LAA05396 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:33:14 -0500 (CDT) Comments: ( Received on ftpbox.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jenison ) Received: from relay1.cig.mot.com (relay1.cig.mot.com [136.182