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I've looked on spies but couldn't find this cine snd board TIFF'd.
What is it?   Not AA nor RO.  Different layout than SC.

G-5235-A AUDIO PCB		markings on component side.
G-5250						markings on solder side.

Thanks,

  SPW

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From: Clay Cowgill <ClayC >
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> Um... well, Oregon is no slouch, either. There are tons of companies up
> here
> and even bigger than "silicon valley" in some respects.
> 
Yeah, depends on how you deal with rain. (Goes double for Seattle)  Rain is
OK by me 'cause it's a good excuse to hide inside and nerd-out with game
stuff.

Vancouver, WA (where I'm at) is a good deal with a fair amount of
techy-stuff here.  (Sharp, HP, WaferTech, Linear Technology, AVX, Kyocera,
S3, Analog Devices, etc.)  Washington has no state income tax, and there's
no sales tax in Oregon (a couple miles away).

> Well, there's plenty of places fairly inexpensive in the Crescent City,
> Yreka, and other northern Californian cities. Or did you mean *CENTRAL*
> California - near the bay area? I wouldn't mind living in the bay area
> myself. I know Intel would transfer me, but the cost of living increase
> they'd give me would be minimal to reality.
> 
Having just spent a week in San Jose/bay area I can say it's a fine place to
visit, but wouldn't want to live there. ;-)  I'm too spoiled with my 5
minute rush-hour commute up here. ;-)  (I'm pretty sure I'd snap down there
and pull a "want to see what an M-11 looks like when fired from a moving
car?" routine on I-880 some day...)

The other rub is that it looks like my $150K house here goes for about $400K
down there!   I doubt S3 would give me a 250% raise if I moved to San
Jose... ;-) 

Ob. Vector:  I was scrounging through the MAME source last night and noticed
Aztarac support files.  Has that been emulated and I was just off in la-la
land and missed it?

-Clay

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I had to resubscribe to vectorlist today...apparently I was unsubscribed (and
just after my post about the way reply was set up...how coincidental!).  I
thought the list was awfully quiet. :-)

Does anyone understand how Sega implemented the timed-coining for their vector
games?  Is it all in software, or is it hardware?

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Clay Cowgill wrote:
> Ob. Vector:  I was scrounging through the MAME source last night and noticed
> Aztarac support files.  Has that been emulated and I was just off in la-la
> land and missed it?
> 
 Yeah, it was emulated a couple of minor revisions ago. There was something else
interesting  but I can't remember what it was. You can see the newest additions at
mame.retrogames.com under the 'whatsnew' link.

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On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Clay Cowgill wrote:

> Having just spent a week in San Jose/bay area I can say it's a fine place to
> visit, but wouldn't want to live there. ;-)  I'm too spoiled with my 5
> minute rush-hour commute up here. ;-)  (I'm pretty sure I'd snap down there

I'm just a spoiled New Yorker -- I've yet to find any place that lives up.
I just can't take walking into a restaraunt at 10:00 PM and being told the
kitchen is closed. :-)

> Ob. Vector:  I was scrounging through the MAME source last night and noticed
> Aztarac support files.  Has that been emulated and I was just off in la-la
> land and missed it?

Yes, you have. :-)

It appeared  in 0.36 Beta 2. Cosmic Chasm appeared in Beta 1. 

I check out www.davesvgc.com every morning, right before Userfriendly.org
Great for little tidbits like this.
:-)

-Chris

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From Joe.Magiera  Wed Sep  1 11:31:04 1999
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I have a chance to pick up a Solar Quest at a good price.  I don't remember
this game at all.  Can anyone comment on the game play?  Fun, hard, easy,
stupid, etc...?

I've somewhat screwed up my PC, so I can't even try it in MAME right now.

Interested to hear the group's thoughts.

Joe

joe.magiera 

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its a pretty cool game 
definitely not stupid
(i dont think cine made ANY stupid games)
reminds you alot of star castle
there is a sun in the middle of the screen
and enemy ships to avoid
if you have a mac there is an emulation of solar quest at
macmame.org

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From: "Magiera, Joe" <Joe.Magiera >
>To: "'vectorlist '" <vectorlist >
>Subject: Solar Quest game play opinions?
>Date: Wed, Sep 1, 1999, 12:35 PM
>

>I have a chance to pick up a Solar Quest at a good price.  I don't remember
>this game at all.  Can anyone comment on the game play?  Fun, hard, easy,
>stupid, etc...?
>
>I've somewhat screwed up my PC, so I can't even try it in MAME right now.
>
>Interested to hear the group's thoughts.
>
>Joe
>
>joe.magiera 
>

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After lurking about the last couple years in the vectorlist I think it is
time that I say howdy and ask some questions. Many of you already know me
since I have been collecting for some time now. I have a bit of a decision
to make. I know where there is a Space Duel cabinet that has been converted
to Street Fi_____. The art is in nice shape, and I would really like a
Space Duel. The problem is that there is no WG 6101. Does someone out
there have a spare to rescue this game? I would also need the CP and the
Marquee. If I can get all the pieces for a decent price I will rescue this
machine. If I can't then I think I will have to let it go on as a JAMMA
cab. ( Insert tear here. )

Let me know if you have any of the parts. I believe that I already have a
trade deal set up for A Space Duel board. Also let me know if you are
interested in a trade.

How goes the work on a replacement monitor for the vector games? Has anyone
had anytime to devote? I know there are lot's of us who would pay decent
money for a new X-Y? Especially 25" and ready for that Star Trek Sit-down
that I have ( even a nice 19" would be nice ).

Oh, Anyone have a Star Trek upright wiring harness for sale?

Sorry about the amount of wants etc, I know this is not a commerce group,
but there really is some meat here somewhere? Right?

John


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to Street Fi_____. The art is in nice shape, and I would really like a<BR>
Space Duel. The problem is that there is no WG 6101. Does someone out<BR>
there have a spare to rescue this game? I would also need the CP and the<BR>
Marquee. If I can get all the pieces for a decent price I will rescue this<BR>
machine. If I can't then I think I will have to let it go on as a JAMMA<BR>
cab. ( Insert tear here. )<BR>
<BR>
Let me know if you have any of the parts. I believe that I already have a<BR>
trade deal set up for A Space Duel board. Also let me know if you are<BR>
interested in a trade.<BR>
<BR>
How goes the work on a replacement monitor for the vector games? Has anyone<BR>
had anytime to devote? I know there are lot's of us who would pay decent<BR>
money for a new X-Y? Especially 25&quot; and ready for that Star Trek Sit-down<BR>
that I have ( even a nice 19&quot; would be nice ).<BR>
<BR>
Oh, Anyone have a Star Trek upright wiring harness for sale?<BR>
<BR>
Sorry about the amount of wants etc, I know this is not a commerce group,<BR>
but there really is some meat here somewhere? Right?<BR>
<BR>
John<BR>
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From neil  Wed Sep  1 11:49:35 1999
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> I have a chance to pick up a Solar Quest at a good price.  I don't
remember
> this game at all.  Can anyone comment on the game play?  Fun, hard, easy,
> stupid, etc...?
> I've somewhat screwed up my PC, so I can't even try it in MAME right now.

Solar Quest has been emulated (with sound) for quite some time in Retrocade,
including the cheesy overlay. ;-)

-->Neil

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>The problem is that there is no WG 6101. Does someone out
>there have a spare to rescue this game?

        There's one for sale on ebay right now. Search for "WG Color XY"...

                                Drew

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G-5235 sounds like a Rockola board number

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From: Clay Cowgill <ClayC >
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Subject: RE: Revisited: Sega XY freeplay
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It's all software.  You can find it pretty close to the beginning of the
code in Star Trek at least.

Star Trek code is a real bastard to follow.  They make extensive use of the
software reset in the Z-80 for jumps, and then do indirect jumps through RAM
to make a little event dispatcher out of it.

With a debugger build of MAME now though it should be easy to spot.  Worst
case, just disassemble the whole game and grep out the port that the coin
switches are connected to.  Then just look at the source around the areas
where the port are access and see which one is testing for the coin
switches.  (Alternatively you could use breakpoints in MAME set to the
addresses where the port accesses are and just run the game and hit 1 or 2
and see if the breakpoint triggers...)

Once you locate the coin switch reads, just step through the code and fine
the timing loop.  From there, hack on the ROM image (I wish MAME's debugger
would let you modify program memory...) and test to make sure you killed the
timer. ;-)

Since I never seem to get around to this, I'll look for my disassemblies of
all the G-80 stuff.  I think I noted the coin-timer in at least one...
Probably a two-byte patch to just jump over it...

-Clay

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> 
> I had to resubscribe to vectorlist today...apparently I was unsubscribed
> (and
> just after my post about the way reply was set up...how coincidental!).  I
> thought the list was awfully quiet. :-)
> 
> Does anyone understand how Sega implemented the timed-coining for their
> vector
> games?  Is it all in software, or is it hardware?
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Cellular Infrastructure Group      Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL
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> 

From jess  Wed Sep  1 14:11:55 1999
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Clay Cowgill wrote:
> Once you locate the coin switch reads, just step through the code and fine
> the timing loop.  From there, hack on the ROM image (I wish MAME's debugger
> would let you modify program memory...) and test to make sure you killed the
> timer. ;-)
> 

It is pretty easy to recompile MAME and change all the ROM loader functions so that
you can edit them in the debugger. If anyone needs help with this or is interested
I can help with any questions.

The biggest PITA about the MAME debugger is that it will only break on 'writes' to
a memory location and not on a read :-(  (Unless this has changed in the last
3 months).

> Since I never seem to get around to this, I'll look for my disassemblies of
> all the G-80 stuff.  I think I noted the coin-timer in at least one...
> Probably a two-byte patch to just jump over it...
> 
> -Clay
> 
> > ----------
> > From:         Mark Jenison[SMTP:jenison ]
> > Reply To:     vectorlist 
> > Sent:         Wednesday, September 01, 1999 9:20 AM
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> >
> > I had to resubscribe to vectorlist today...apparently I was unsubscribed
> > (and
> > just after my post about the way reply was set up...how coincidental!).  I
> > thought the list was awfully quiet. :-)
> >
> > Does anyone understand how Sega implemented the timed-coining for their
> > vector
> > games?  Is it all in software, or is it hardware?
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Mark Jenison                       E-mail address: jenison 
> > Cellular Infrastructure Group      Motorola--Arlington Heights, IL
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >

From ClayC  Wed Sep  1 15:34:11 1999
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From: Clay Cowgill <ClayC >
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> It is pretty easy to recompile MAME and change all the ROM loader
> functions so that
> you can edit them in the debugger. If anyone needs help with this or is
> interested
> I can help with any questions.
> 
> The biggest PITA about the MAME debugger is that it will only break on
> 'writes' to
> a memory location and not on a read :-(  (Unless this has changed in the
> last
> 3 months).
> 
Yeah, I patched the CPU emulation in a couple processors (6502 and 6809) to
allow logging of reads and writes to "computed" (for lack of a better word)
addresses like EA on the 6809.  I was having trouble finding where the Exidy
gun games were hitting some copy protection since it was all EA stuff.
Since they keep chan--- 'er...  improving everything in MAME my patches
usually get broken from one version to the other though so I kinda give up
keeping them working and just re-write when I need to.

The whole debugger is a little bizarre, IMHO, but since I'm not spending any
of my time to help improve it I won't bitch.  A "watch" window would be nice
though.  (The ICE for my SNES devsys has that-- very cool.  Of course it's
also non-intrusive so you can watch areas of memory in real-time while the
code is running.  Makes it incredibly easy to see what locations are used
for what functions. ;-)

I dug around at lunch and couldn't find any notes about where I found that
damn debouncing routine.  Never ceases to amaze me how cryptic code can look
after you've been away from it a while!  I knew the Sega G-80 really well
for a while there, and I was just scratching my head trying to follow it
now.  (...and of course I only commented the sections I was working on, so
my "accidental" discoveries like the debounce are apparently not noted.
Grrrr.  "Oh, that's obvious, I'll remember where that is..." ;-)

-Clay

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Clay Cowgill wrote:
> Yeah, I patched the CPU emulation in a couple processors (6502 and 6809) to
> allow logging of reads and writes to "computed" (for lack of a better word)
> addresses like EA on the 6809.  I was having trouble finding where the Exidy
> gun games were hitting some copy protection since it was all EA stuff.
> Since they keep chan--- 'er...  improving everything in MAME my patches
> usually get broken from one version to the other though so I kinda give up
> keeping them working and just re-write when I need to.
> 

Im in the same boat with all my changes.

> The whole debugger is a little bizarre, IMHO, but since I'm not spending any
> of my time to help improve it I won't bitch.  A "watch" window would be nice
> though.  (The ICE for my SNES devsys has that-- very cool.  Of course it's
> also non-intrusive so you can watch areas of memory in real-time while the
> code is running.  Makes it incredibly easy to see what locations are used
> for what functions. ;-)

Well, you can sort of do a 'watch' window via the 'cheats'. You can make it display
certain memory loctions across the top of the screen which works pretty well but you 
have to be in the non-debug screen to see them. I think you are limited to 16 locations
tho.
  The cheats also have a really cool process to help find the mystery location of
a variable. Works pretty well actually. You have to know some basic idea of how the 
variable changes but it can at least narrow the search down to a small handful of 
locations.

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From: Clay Cowgill <ClayC >
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> Well, you can sort of do a 'watch' window via the 'cheats'. You can make
> it display
> certain memory loctions across the top of the screen which works pretty
> well but you 
> have to be in the non-debug screen to see them. I think you are limited to
> 16 locations
> tho.
> 
How are those activated?  (Maybe I just didn't see them in the docs or the
modules I was scrounging around in...)  I really liked Al's G-80 simulator
where I could see ALL of the G-80 RAM on a big enough Mac monitor. ;-)  The
fact that it wasn't real-time on my old 7100 was fine 'cause it was easier
to have time to look at everything and keep playing the game...

>   The cheats also have a really cool process to help find the mystery
> location of
> a variable. Works pretty well actually. You have to know some basic idea
> of how the 
> variable changes but it can at least narrow the search down to a small
> handful of 
> locations.
> 
I've just used the memory windows and taken advantage of the "color change"
when values are altered.  Kinda tedious, but not too bad...

-Clay

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I agree solar quest it cool. But you are wrong about there not being any bad
cinematronics games. BArrier blows big chunks!!  But if you consider it a
vectorbeam game, then you would be correct.

Scott Harner wrote:

> its a pretty cool game
> definitely not stupid
> (i dont think cine made ANY stupid games)
> reminds you alot of star castle
> there is a sun in the middle of the screen
> and enemy ships to avoid
> if you have a mac there is an emulation of solar quest at
> macmame.org
>
> ----------
> 
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> >To: "'vectorlist '" <vectorlist >
> >Subject: Solar Quest game play opinions?
> >Date: Wed, Sep 1, 1999, 12:35 PM
> >
>
> >I have a chance to pick up a Solar Quest at a good price.  I don't remember
> >this game at all.  Can anyone comment on the game play?  Fun, hard, easy,
> >stupid, etc...?
> >
> >I've somewhat screwed up my PC, so I can't even try it in MAME right now.
> >
> >Interested to hear the group's thoughts.
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >joe.magiera 
> >

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Clay Cowgill wrote:

> How are those activated?  (Maybe I just didn't see them in the docs or the
> modules I was scrounging around in...)  I really liked Al's G-80 simulator
> where I could see ALL of the G-80 RAM on a big enough Mac monitor. ;-)  The
> fact that it wasn't real-time on my old 7100 was fine 'cause it was easier
> to have time to look at everything and keep playing the game...

You have to start MAME with the -cheat option. Then if you hit TAB in mame, you get the
system menu. 'CHEATS' is one of the options. The interface is way terrible after that so I
couldn't even begin to expain it, there are lots of web pages (and at least 1 good one)
explaining the process. lets see what comes up in infoseek....

This is probably the best.... http://cheat.retrogames.com/

heh, who knew it would be so straightforward. ;-)

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At 11:10 AM 9/1/99 -0700, Clay wrote:
>It's all software.  You can find it pretty close to the beginning of the
>code in Star Trek at least.
> .snip.
>Since I never seem to get around to this, I'll look for my disassemblies of
>all the G-80 stuff.  I think I noted the coin-timer in at least one...
>Probably a two-byte patch to just jump over it...
>

Like Clay said it's all in software. I looked at it a long time
ago when doing the security stuff so it all looks Greek now.
Here's the routine from Space Fury. I'm seem to remember that it's
the same for all games. Have fun!


L0095:  LD      B,#E7		;INT due to COINA or COINB
L0097:  IN      A,(#F8)		;Check switch inputs, Active LOW
        AND     D		;a = a .AND. /(initial input)
        JR      NZ,#00A4	;Don't JP if switch still pressed

        LD      A,#A0		;small delay
L009E:  DEC     A
        JR      NZ,#009E
        DJNZ    #0097		;keep looking for switch release

        DEC     B		;Release Timeout,  B = #FF
L00A4:  LD      A,B		;switch released
        CP      #C8		;time the switch closure period
        JR      NC,#00DA	;JP if timeout or period too short

COINOK: CALL    #010A		;period OK, CALL COIN_COUNTER_INCR 
        LD      BC,#04FB	;In_PORT = #FB, DIP switches
        LD      L,#00
        LD      E,L		;E & L = #00
L00B2:  IN      A,(C)		
        RRA     		;Move DIP SW2-1 into E,b1
        RL      E		;
        RRA     
        RL      L		;Move DIP SW2-5 into E,b0
        DEC     C
        DJNZ    #00B2		;E(d3-d0) = SW2( 1,2,3,4 )
        LD      A,L		;L(d3-d0) = SW2( 5,6,7,8 )
        CP      E		;compare the two halves of the switch
        LD      HL,#C80D
        JR      Z,#00CB		;JP if SW2 positions identical 
        BIT     7,D	    	;Complemented & Masked inputs, D7,6,5 of #F8
        JR      NZ,#00CB	;D7 is COINA

        LD      A,E		;SW2-1,2,3,4
        INC     HL
        INC     HL		;HL = #C80F 
	.
	.
	.

It goes on from here but that's the meat of it.





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So, the coin switch must be down at least #C8 counts but less than #FF it 
looks like.
  Are you (Mark) just trying to make the input much less picky about timing?
Looks like if lower the #C8 to say #20, it will accept pulses much shorter..

fishd wrote:
> 
> L0095:  LD      B,#E7           ;INT due to COINA or COINB
> L0097:  IN      A,(#F8)         ;Check switch inputs, Active LOW
>         AND     D               ;a = a .AND. /(initial input)
>         JR      NZ,#00A4        ;Don't JP if switch still pressed
> 
>         LD      A,#A0           ;small delay
> L009E:  DEC     A
>         JR      NZ,#009E
>         DJNZ    #0097           ;keep looking for switch release
> 
>         DEC     B               ;Release Timeout,  B = #FF
> L00A4:  LD      A,B             ;switch released
>         CP      #C8             ;time the switch closure period
>         JR      NC,#00DA        ;JP if timeout or period too short
> 
> COINOK: CALL    #010A           ;period OK, CALL COIN_COUNTER_INCR
>         LD      BC,#04FB        ;In_PORT = #FB, DIP switches
>         LD      L,#00


>         LD      E,L             ;E & L = #00
> L00B2:  IN      A,(C)
>         RRA                     ;Move DIP SW2-1 into E,b1
>         RL      E               ;
>         RRA
>         RL      L               ;Move DIP SW2-5 into E,b0
>         DEC     C
>         DJNZ    #00B2           ;E(d3-d0) = SW2( 1,2,3,4 )
>         LD      A,L             ;L(d3-d0) = SW2( 5,6,7,8 )
>         CP      E               ;compare the two halves of the switch
>         LD      HL,#C80D
>         JR      Z,#00CB         ;JP if SW2 positions identical
>         BIT     7,D             ;Complemented & Masked inputs, D7,6,5 of #F8
>         JR      NZ,#00CB        ;D7 is COINA
> 
>         LD      A,E             ;SW2-1,2,3,4
>         INC     HL
>         INC     HL              ;HL = #C80F
>         .
>         .
>         .
> 
> It goes on from here but that's the meat of it.
> 
> David Fish                        |       "We want...Information. INFORMATION
> Melrose, MA  USA                  |              You won't get it!
>    fishd@tiac.net                 |        By hook or by crook we will"
>    dfish               |                    _The Prisoner_

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Oh, BTW, nice disassembly Dave!!! Looks pretty strange to a 6502 guy like me tho 8-)

ob non-vector... anyone here going to the pinball expo in Chicago this year (besides Jeff
A.)?

fishd wrote:
> 
> At 11:10 AM 9/1/99 -0700, Clay wrote:
> >It's all software.  You can find it pretty close to the beginning of the
> >code in Star Trek at least.
> > .snip.
> >Since I never seem to get around to this, I'll look for my disassemblies of
> >all the G-80 stuff.  I think I noted the coin-timer in at least one...
> >Probably a two-byte patch to just jump over it...
> >
> 
> Like Clay said it's all in software. I looked at it a long time
> ago when doing the security stuff so it all looks Greek now.
> Here's the routine from Space Fury. I'm seem to remember that it's
> the same for all games. Have fun!
> 
> L0095:  LD      B,#E7           ;INT due to COINA or COINB
> L0097:  IN      A,(#F8)         ;Check switch inputs, Active LOW
>         AND     D               ;a = a .AND. /(initial input)
>         JR      NZ,#00A4        ;Don't JP if switch still pressed
> 
>         LD      A,#A0           ;small delay
> L009E:  DEC     A
>         JR      NZ,#009E
>         DJNZ    #0097           ;keep looking for switch release
> 
>         DEC     B               ;Release Timeout,  B = #FF
> L00A4:  LD      A,B             ;switch released
>         CP      #C8             ;time the switch closure period
>         JR      NC,#00DA        ;JP if timeout or period too short
> 
> COINOK: CALL    #010A           ;period OK, CALL COIN_COUNTER_INCR
>         LD      BC,#04FB        ;In_PORT = #FB, DIP switches
>         LD      L,#00
>         LD      E,L             ;E & L = #00
> L00B2:  IN      A,(C)
>         RRA                     ;Move DIP SW2-1 into E,b1
>         RL      E               ;
>         RRA
>         RL      L               ;Move DIP SW2-5 into E,b0
>         DEC     C
>         DJNZ    #00B2           ;E(d3-d0) = SW2( 1,2,3,4 )
>         LD      A,L             ;L(d3-d0) = SW2( 5,6,7,8 )
>         CP      E               ;compare the two halves of the switch
>         LD      HL,#C80D
>         JR      Z,#00CB         ;JP if SW2 positions identical
>         BIT     7,D             ;Complemented & Masked inputs, D7,6,5 of #F8
>         JR      NZ,#00CB        ;D7 is COINA
> 
>         LD      A,E             ;SW2-1,2,3,4
>         INC     HL
>         INC     HL              ;HL = #C80F
>         .
>         .
>         .
> 
> It goes on from here but that's the meat of it.
> 
> David Fish                        |       "We want...Information. INFORMATION
> Melrose, MA  USA                  |              You won't get it!
>    fishd@tiac.net                 |        By hook or by crook we will"
>    dfish               |                    _The Prisoner_

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Joe,
solar Quest was always one of my favorites. you fly an asteroids type ship 
and destroy enemy ships. The twist is, once you destroy a ship the pilot 
ejects and you have to rescue him before he gets sucked into the star in the 
center of the screen (why you'd want to rescue the enemy, i'm not sure but, 
hey, it's extra points). Great game. If you decide to sell it, let me know.

Thanks,
Kevin Myers

In a message dated 09/01/99 16:38:28, Joe.Magiera  
writes:

>I have a chance to pick up a Solar Quest at a good price.  I don't remember
>
>this game at all.  Can anyone comment on the game play?  Fun, hard, easy,
>
>stupid, etc...?
>
>
>
>I've somewhat screwed up my PC, so I can't even try it in MAME right now.
>
>
>
>Interested to hear the group's thoughts.
>
>
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>joe.magiera 

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Hi All,

On the heels of my Black Widow and Battlezone CPO projects, I'm now
finishing up the art for my Tempest CPO project. Like you all helped me
choose which version of the Black Widow CPO to produce, I need your help in
choosing which version of the Tempest CPO to produce.

I have two different NOS versions of the Tempest CPO, rev. C and an unknown
(the rev. has been cut off). The two CPOs are practically identical with two
exceptions:

1) On the rev. C, the objects in the scoring section (fuseball, pulsar,
flippers, tankers and spiker) are drawn with very fine lines, like a
fine-point pencil. On the other version the objects in the scoring section
are drawn with fat lines, like a felt-tip pen. Both look good. The fine-line
version looks more precise but is a little harder to see. The fat-line
version is less detailed but it jumps right out at you.

2) On the rev. C, the rays extend all the way to the red/white outer border.
On the other version there is a 1/8" black border between the rays and the
outer border. I think the black border looks good, but the no-black border
version looks good as well.

So, what do you prefer? I know these are minor details, but I just want to
make sure I make everyone happy (if anyone is actually interested in
purchasing one when complete, that is. :)

You can e-mail me directly at: chumblespuzz .

Thanks for your help.
-roy-

p.s. - I've got a Tempest marquee in the works as well !


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Roy:

Do you have any images we could preview?



tm

chumblespuzz wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> On the heels of my Black Widow and Battlezone CPO projects, I'm now
> finishing up the art for my Tempest CPO project. Like you all helped me
> choose which version of the Black Widow CPO to produce, I need your help in
> choosing which version of the Tempest CPO to produce.
>
> I have two different NOS versions of the Tempest CPO, rev. C and an unknown
> (the rev. has been cut off). The two CPOs are practically identical with two
> exceptions:
>
> 1) On the rev. C, the objects in the scoring section (fuseball, pulsar,
> flippers, tankers and spiker) are drawn with very fine lines, like a
> fine-point pencil. On the other version the objects in the scoring section
> are drawn with fat lines, like a felt-tip pen. Both look good. The fine-line
> version looks more precise but is a little harder to see. The fat-line
> version is less detailed but it jumps right out at you.
>
> 2) On the rev. C, the rays extend all the way to the red/white outer border.
> On the other version there is a 1/8" black border between the rays and the
> outer border. I think the black border looks good, but the no-black border
> version looks good as well.
>
> So, what do you prefer? I know these are minor details, but I just want to
> make sure I make everyone happy (if anyone is actually interested in
> purchasing one when complete, that is. :)
>
> You can e-mail me directly at: chumblespuzz .
>
> Thanks for your help.
> -roy-
>
> p.s. - I've got a Tempest marquee in the works as well !

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I only have scanned-in the fat-line version. You can see the objects at:

http://members.home.net/chumblespuzz/images/tempest_obj.jpg

The thin-line version looks just like it, only thinner. :)

Hope that helps!
-roy-


----- Original Message -----
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> Roy:
>
> Do you have any images we could preview?
>
>
>
> tm
>
> chumblespuzz wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > On the heels of my Black Widow and Battlezone CPO projects, I'm now
> > finishing up the art for my Tempest CPO project. Like you all helped me
> > choose which version of the Black Widow CPO to produce, I need your help
in
> > choosing which version of the Tempest CPO to produce.
> >
> > I have two different NOS versions of the Tempest CPO, rev. C and an
unknown
> > (the rev. has been cut off). The two CPOs are practically identical with
two
> > exceptions:
> >
> > 1) On the rev. C, the objects in the scoring section (fuseball, pulsar,
> > flippers, tankers and spiker) are drawn with very fine lines, like a
> > fine-point pencil. On the other version the objects in the scoring
section
> > are drawn with fat lines, like a felt-tip pen. Both look good. The
fine-line
> > version looks more precise but is a little harder to see. The fat-line
> > version is less detailed but it jumps right out at you.
> >
> > 2) On the rev. C, the rays extend all the way to the red/white outer
border.
> > On the other version there is a 1/8" black border between the rays and
the
> > outer border. I think the black border looks good, but the no-black
border
> > version looks good as well.
> >
> > So, what do you prefer? I know these are minor details, but I just want
to
> > make sure I make everyone happy (if anyone is actually interested in
> > purchasing one when complete, that is. :)
> >
> > You can e-mail me directly at: chumblespuzz .
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> > -roy-
> >
> > p.s. - I've got a Tempest marquee in the works as well !
>
>

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Hi,

I have two machines and they have one each of the two types. My fine line
one is marked rev 2. and the fat line one has the rev # cut off. IMHO the
fat
line one looks the best but it does boil down to just an opinion, because
they both look good.
Whatever you pick I'll need two :)

Rod
Kelowna B.C. Canada



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Mine's a thin line (rev C) and I think it looks really good. Maybe you
should do a medium line.

-jeff

ps. when will you be doing a Quantum CPO?

-----Original Message-----
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Hi All,

On the heels of my Black Widow and Battlezone CPO projects, I'm now
finishing up the art for my Tempest CPO project. Like you all helped me
choose which version of the Black Widow CPO to produce, I need your help in
choosing which version of the Tempest CPO to produce.

I have two different NOS versions of the Tempest CPO, rev. C and an unknown
(the rev. has been cut off). The two CPOs are practically identical with two
exceptions:

1) On the rev. C, the objects in the scoring section (fuseball, pulsar,
flippers, tankers and spiker) are drawn with very fine lines, like a
fine-point pencil. On the other version the objects in the scoring section
are drawn with fat lines, like a felt-tip pen. Both look good. The fine-line
version looks more precise but is a little harder to see. The fat-line
version is less detailed but it jumps right out at you.

2) On the rev. C, the rays extend all the way to the red/white outer border.
On the other version there is a 1/8" black border between the rays and the
outer border. I think the black border looks good, but the no-black border
version looks good as well.

So, what do you prefer? I know these are minor details, but I just want to
make sure I make everyone happy (if anyone is actually interested in
purchasing one when complete, that is. :)

You can e-mail me directly at: chumblespuzz .

Thanks for your help.
-roy-

p.s. - I've got a Tempest marquee in the works as well !

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Jess Askey wrote:

> ob non-vector... anyone here going to the pinball expo in Chicago this year (besides Jeff
> A.)?

I'll go.  Looks like I'm going to miss AMOA/Fun Expo
in Vegas due to cash shortage (blew it going to the vidgame
show in Vegas in August).  Kind of a pity since you can
get free passes to the exhibits at Fun Expo's web site.  Or
pay AMOA $90.  Guess which choice I made!?  Don't
feel so bad not going to the show when it didn't cost me
anything in the first place.

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> Mine's a thin line (rev C) and I think it looks really good. Maybe you
> should do a medium line.

I hate it when the right answer is so obvious and I just don't see it!
Excellent suggestion.

> ps. when will you be doing a Quantum CPO?

I would love to but I would need one to scan. If anyone has one, lmk.

Also, I do have a Gravitar CPO in the works and I think I have a dedicated
Major Havoc CPO coming my way in a few weeks. I'll of course post when
ready. :)

-roy-



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There was someone who was doing a Quantum cpo.  He even took everyone's 
serial #'s down.  Not just from the cabinet but from their pcbs as well.  
That was quite awhile back.   Any word from this guy?

-JWC
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At 08:26 PM 9/1/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Mine's a thin line (rev C) and I think it looks really good. Maybe you
>should do a medium line.
>
>-jeff
>
>ps. when will you be doing a Quantum CPO?

** /me raises his hand for a Quantum overlay

Also, maybe you could work with Callan on reproducing that Major Havoc cpo?  I need 2 of those as well.

As far as the Tempest overlays go, the one without the black border sounds better, but its hard to say without seeing them.

Jon

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Has anyone received their Black Widow CPOL's?  I was wondering what you
think about the quality and what the texture is like.  Like a few other
people I was holding off on ordering until there was some feedback.  I hope
they turned out real good.  Thanks.

Omar

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> At 08:26 PM 9/1/99 -0600, you wrote:
> >Mine's a thin line (rev C) and I think it looks really good. Maybe you
> >should do a medium line.
> >
> >-jeff
> >
> >ps. when will you be doing a Quantum CPO?
>
> ** /me raises his hand for a Quantum overlay
>
> Also, maybe you could work with Callan on reproducing that Major Havoc
cpo?  I need 2 of those as well.
>
> As far as the Tempest overlays go, the one without the black border sounds
better, but its hard to say without seeing them.
>
> Jon
>
>

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> Joe,
> solar Quest was always one of my favorites. you fly an asteroids type ship 
> and destroy enemy ships. The twist is, once you destroy a ship the pilot 
> ejects and you have to rescue him before he gets sucked into the star in the 
> center of the screen (why you'd want to rescue the enemy, i'm not sure but, 
> hey, it's extra points). Great game. If you decide to sell it, let me know.

No no no NO! You can "capture" the enemy pilots to get a free ship after
50 or so. OR you can shoot them for more points :-) Would this be the
first game where you get points for shooting people? Granted they don't
look like people, but what else ejects from an exploding ship and can
be captured?
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On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Paul Kahler wrote:

> 50 or so. OR you can shoot them for more points :-) Would this be the
> first game where you get points for shooting people? Granted they don't
> look like people, but what else ejects from an exploding ship and can
> be captured?

Uhm, maybe it's their engine core ? Or valuable cargo ?

I pulled it up on MAME to see what the game was actually like.  Do the other
ships every actually start shooting at you ?

-Chris

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>There was someone who was doing a Quantum cpo.  He even took everyone's
serial #'s down.  Not >just from the cabinet but from their pcbs as well.
That was quite awhile back.   Any word from >this guy?

That was MKDUD mended Tom W and Roy K to him.  Haven't
heard from him since he took the serial numbers.

Joe

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On Sep 1,  4:26pm, Jess Askey wrote:
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> So, the coin switch must be down at least #C8 counts but less than #FF it
> looks like.
>   Are you (Mark) just trying to make the input much less picky about timing?
> Looks like if lower the #C8 to say #20, it will accept pulses much shorter..

I'm not trying to do anything...I'm trying to get someone else to do it ;-).  I
don't have an EPROM burner (or a computer to run it).  I don't really care
about the other Sega XY games, but Eliminator 4-player is giving me headaches
in particular.  If someone could make the simple patch that David F/Jess A
mentioned, I would be willing to compensate them in some way.

As far as Pinball Expo, I'll be around for that.  And an open invite to whoever
wants to stop by a play a few games :-).

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Mark Jenison wrote:
> I'm not trying to do anything...I'm trying to get someone else to do it ;-).  I
> don't have an EPROM burner (or a computer to run it).  I don't really care
> about the other Sega XY games, but Eliminator 4-player is giving me headaches
> in particular.  If someone could make the simple patch that David F/Jess A
> mentioned, I would be willing to compensate them in some way.

I will be happy to try and change a few bits for you but it will probably be
around expo time before I can bring it out to you. But if someone more familiar
wants to do it instead just yell and I will drop it.
 But mark.. what are you trying to do? In other words, why do you need this changed?

> 
> As far as Pinball Expo, I'll be around for that.  And an open invite to whoever
> wants to stop by a play a few games :-).

Im going to try and show up wednesday evening for the expo this year. We can all meet
at marks house now!!! ;-)
I will have lots of games to prep there this year and lots of friends to visit. Does
anyone know Dan Janko of Chicago?

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On Sep 2,  9:16am, Jess Askey wrote:
> Subject: Re: Revisited: Sega XY freeplay
> Mark Jenison wrote:
> > I'm not trying to do anything...I'm trying to get someone else to do it
;-).  I
> > don't have an EPROM burner (or a computer to run it).  I don't really care
> > about the other Sega XY games, but Eliminator 4-player is giving me
headaches
> > in particular.  If someone could make the simple patch that David F/Jess A
> > mentioned, I would be willing to compensate them in some way.
>
> I will be happy to try and change a few bits for you but it will probably be
> around expo time before I can bring it out to you. But if someone more
familiar
> wants to do it instead just yell and I will drop it.
>  But mark.. what are you trying to do? In other words, why do you need this
changed?

I summed up my problem once before, but I will try and re-explain it:

I didn't want to modify the cabinet externally, so I put credit switches (leaf
style) behind the coin eject buttons on each coin door on each side.  So for a
player to join, they would simply have to press a coin eject button.

The problem is that Sega's coining timing is sooo picky on E4, that you have to
time it just right.  While I have picked up on this myself, trying to explain
it to a bunch of people (who've usually been drinking, which doesn't help any
:-)) isn't always easy, and so there is 3 other people punching in the coin
eject buttons.  Whenever one of them get's it incorrectly, it temporarily locks
up the CPU, and anyone else trying to credit during that time fails and their
attempts are voided.  So you got a bunch of people screwing up, which locks out
everyone else, and then, well, it's a mess.  Rick Schieve's E4 set up also
experiences the same problem as mine.

If the crediting logic were less pickly, likely any brief contact would result
in a successfuly credit, which I think even my friends may be able to achieve
:-).

If you stop by during Pinball Expo 99, you'll understand what I mean.

> >
> > As far as Pinball Expo, I'll be around for that.  And an open invite to
whoever
> > wants to stop by a play a few games :-).
>
> Im going to try and show up wednesday evening for the expo this year. We can
all meet
> at marks house now!!! ;-)

If you're coming Wednesday, you'll probably want to go Rick Schieve's pinball
party instead.  He always has it on the Wednesday before the expo.

> I will have lots of games to prep there this year and lots of friends to
visit. Does
> anyone know Dan Janko of Chicago?

Name rings a bell, but I don't know him personally.

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Gilbert Sanchez has a storage area full of video, bowler and jukeboxes. He is giving
games away free this afternoon (he has to get them all out of there). Now, don't get
too excited, there probably aren't any Major Havocs or tempests (im guessing they are
all mediocre raster games) but hey, they are free. Fix em up, sell em on ebay, make an
interesting art deco peice, whatever. You can call him at 303-807-5469 right now on
his cellular for a list of games/stuff that is there.
  have fun!!!
    jess

Jess Askey wrote:
> 
> Mark Jenison wrote:
> > I'm not trying to do anything...I'm trying to get someone else to do it ;-).  I
> > don't have an EPROM burner (or a computer to run it).  I don't really care
> > about the other Sega XY games, but Eliminator 4-player is giving me headaches
> > in particular.  If someone could make the simple patch that David F/Jess A
> > mentioned, I would be willing to compensate them in some way.
> 
> I will be happy to try and change a few bits for you but it will probably be
> around expo time before I can bring it out to you. But if someone more familiar
> wants to do it instead just yell and I will drop it.
>  But mark.. what are you trying to do? In other words, why do you need this changed?
> 
> >
> > As far as Pinball Expo, I'll be around for that.  And an open invite to whoever
> > wants to stop by a play a few games :-).
> 
> Im going to try and show up wednesday evening for the expo this year. We can all meet
> at marks house now!!! ;-)
> I will have lots of games to prep there this year and lots of friends to visit. Does
> anyone know Dan Janko of Chicago?

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He has an afterburner, cocktail track and field and a few others (5 videos
total), as well as a jukebox and a bowling game.
He says you have to pick them up today and while I was talking to him,
someone showed up to pick up stuff.

-jeff

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Free Games In colorado Springs...


Gilbert Sanchez has a storage area full of video, bowler and jukeboxes. He
is giving
games away free this afternoon (he has to get them all out of there). Now,
don't get
too excited, there probably aren't any Major Havocs or tempests (im guessing
they are
all mediocre raster games) but hey, they are free. Fix em up, sell em on
ebay, make an
interesting art deco peice, whatever. You can call him at 303-807-5469 right
now on
his cellular for a list of games/stuff that is there.
  have fun!!!
    jess

Jess Askey wrote:
> 
> Mark Jenison wrote:
> > I'm not trying to do anything...I'm trying to get someone else to do it
;-).  I
> > don't have an EPROM burner (or a computer to run it).  I don't really
care
> > about the other Sega XY games, but Eliminator 4-player is giving me
headaches
> > in particular.  If someone could make the simple patch that David F/Jess
A
> > mentioned, I would be willing to compensate them in some way.
> 
> I will be happy to try and change a few bits for you but it will probably
be
> around expo time before I can bring it out to you. But if someone more
familiar
> wants to do it instead just yell and I will drop it.
>  But mark.. what are you trying to do? In other words, why do you need
this changed?
> 
> >
> > As far as Pinball Expo, I'll be around for that.  And an open invite to
whoever
> > wants to stop by a play a few games :-).
> 
> Im going to try and show up wednesday evening for the expo this year. We
can all meet
> at marks house now!!! ;-)
> I will have lots of games to prep there this year and lots of friends to
visit. Does
> anyone know Dan Janko of Chicago?

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I've had many emails with Mike. The problem is that he's concerned with
shipping his control panel. Imagine you have a perfect Quantum and the
control panel gets lost by UPS. I understand his concern. He may, however,
decide to send it to me anyway.

-roy-


> >There was someone who was doing a Quantum cpo.  He even took everyone's
> serial #'s down.  Not >just from the cabinet but from their pcbs as well.
> That was quite awhile back.   Any word from >this guy?
>
> That was MKDUD mended Tom W and Roy K to him.  Haven't
> heard from him since he took the serial numbers.
>
> Joe
>

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Hi Omar,

I've received mine and they are awesome! :)

Seriously, I hope that these good VL people will post their opinions about
it. I'm quite pleased with the results, and I'm the ultimate in picky (read:
anal :)

If for some reason people are not happy with them, I really want to know.
I'm putting a lot of time into these, and have started doing some that are
for machines I don't own. I think they are great and will put them on my
machines, but if people don't like them I will concentrate only on the ones
I need.

But you all will like them. They are awesome! :)

-roy-

----- Original Message -----
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> Has anyone received their Black Widow CPOL's?  I was wondering what you
> think about the quality and what the texture is like.  Like a few other
> people I was holding off on ordering until there was some feedback.  I
hope
> they turned out real good.  Thanks.
>
> Omar
>


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I've looked at the web page, and I'm not quite sure how these
are being produced. I assume they are ink-jet and not silk screened?
Printed on the face of the self-ashesive vinyl, then laminated with
the lexan?

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I recently fixed an Omega Race board so that all the logic now works.  The
game passes all the ram and rom tests and coins up.  I think that I just
need to replace one or more of the TL08xCP Op Amps because I'm not getting
any X or Y signal.  The X and Y pots are fine.

Anyway - maybe someone could answer this question for me.  I fixed this
game using my KK Test fixture.  The instructions also include signatures
for certain roms but don't really explain the setup for getting the
signatures.  Does anyone know how to do this?  I'm just curious since it
might help me in the future.


Matt



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Yes, that is correct, but let me give some details.

I've gone through several printers before settling on my current one. Not
only does he produce the best quality work, he's excited to work on these
projects because of their vid-related nature. (He's not a collector,
though... yet. :)

His printer is a massive machine. It is an ink-jet that prints at 1200 DPI.
It has 14 ink cartridges, two each of dark and light cyan, yellow, magenta
and black. Because it has both light and dark shades of the colors dithering
is greatly reduced. Once laminated, the colors appear pure. Also, the black
is solid. When held up to a light, no light shines through. The black from
other printers I've tried turns gray when held up to the light. Because this
black is so pure I will be able to produce the Tempest marquee on this
equipment.

The vinyl was special ordered just for my CPO work. It has an extra strength
adhesive on it that will allow it to hold fast bent around the top edge. I
don't know what is different about it's printing surface, but of the seven
different vinyls I've tried, this one produces the most solid and vivid
colors.

The laminate is a 5-mil poly-carbonate that is adhered to the vinyl. Most
laminates are attached to the vinyl with just heat. This laminate  has a
self-adhesive transparent backing that when heated bonds securely to the
vinyl. Laminates from other printers I've tried separate from the vinyl when
bent around the edge of a control panel. This one is guaranteed from the
manufacturer to not separate, and so far has performed impressively.

The laminate is textured. It is not as textured as the original CPO, but it
is the most textured I have been able to find. It is really quite good. It
feels about as textured as the original CPO  on my Tempest machine. If it
wasn't sufficient I wouldn't have gone through with the production. Also,
the laminate's texturing and application process virtually eliminates any
visible dithering of the colors.

I showed them to Rick Goodman this past weekend (you may know him, fellow
collector) and he said these were the best reproductions he had ever seen.
He was basically blown away. Based on what he saw, he's now given me an NOS
Tempest CPO and marquee, Gravitar, Dig Dug, Q*bert, Qix, Chiller, Crossbow,
plus 3 or 4 other CPOs and Gauntlet and Cheyenne side-art to scan and
possibly reproduce. I'm doing the Tempest now because I need them and I'm
tired of waiting for Fab Fan. After that I was planning on doing Gravitar,
but because I don't have a Gravitar myself, if people don't want it I'll
move on to other's some friends or I need. One such CPO is a dedicated Major
Havoc. I would do that out of the pure joy of helping some collectors
restore their machines, as I don't see a tremendous market for them and I
don't need one (although I hope one day I'll have a machine to put it on).
Also, because I pay by size, I think they will be fairly cheap.

Anyway, the point of all this is that I am confident all who ordered a CPO
will be satisfied. And now I'll back up that claim. If you receive it and
are not satisfied with it's quality, you can return it and I'll refund your
full payment. :)

-roy-

p.s. - I just picked up my BW control panel with the CPO installed and
looked at it closely under a light. You will be happy. :)


----- Original Message -----
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>
> I've looked at the web page, and I'm not quite sure how these
> are being produced. I assume they are ink-jet and not silk screened?
> Printed on the face of the self-ashesive vinyl, then laminated with
> the lexan?
>
>

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Thanks for the details! I'm glad that a short-run solution
for CP overlays appears to have been found. 

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Good day, 

I bought an Astroids Deluxe cocktail. I got it for a really good price
because it doesn't work. My knowledge of eletronics is slim (although I
have friends w/ electronics knowledge who are willing to help), but this
was one of my favorite games and I couldn't resist buying it. Here is a
brief description of the problem. Any help would be **greatly appreciated**.

Simply stated, the problem appears to be w/ the monitor. The game powers
up, but there is no picture. I can hear my ship -- I have tested thrust,
shield, and fire so I know the game is actually running. I checked all the
fuses for continuity. All were ok. 

I have search the Net for guidance and noticed alot of people recommend
installing the Zanen Get Well kit. Randy Fromm has one for my monitor
(Wells Gardner 19V2000) for only $5! My questions are:

- is the Get Well kit a good idea? Can I install it easily? What are the
chances it will take care of the problem?
- how do I go about isolating the problem (assuming the Get Well kit is not
the right approach).
- do you have any tips, suggestions, etc?

Once again, any help is greatly appreciated. This was one of my favorite
games and I would love to have it working.

Duane

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Just FYI, I currently have MY PERSONAL SINGLE COPY of unapplied
NOS overlays for Star Wars, Space Duel, Tempest and maybe 1 or
2 others (including Beastie Feastie!)  Would be willing to let
you scan them if you need them...

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Roy,
 I have a major havoc (tempest conversion) NOS marquee overlay for donation if
you want it. Now we will overwhelm you with donations!!  :-)

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Typically the checksums in KK are generated with a NOP fixture for the CPU, 
then you start/stop the read on the chip select.

As for the suspect TL08X, if you get no output, but you get input, have you 
checked the supply voltage for these devices? Have you scoped the inputs? 
It would be unlikely that both have failed unless the supply for them went 
ballistic and blew them together...

John :-#)#

At 04:18 PM 9/2/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>I recently fixed an Omega Race board so that all the logic now works.  The
>game passes all the ram and rom tests and coins up.  I think that I just
>need to replace one or more of the TL08xCP Op Amps because I'm not getting
>any X or Y signal.  The X and Y pots are fine.
>
>Anyway - maybe someone could answer this question for me.  I fixed this
>game using my KK Test fixture.  The instructions also include signatures
>for certain roms but don't really explain the setup for getting the
>signatures.  Does anyone know how to do this?  I'm just curious since it
>might help me in the future.
>
>
>Matt


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By the way, I just discovered this link which has data sheets on alot of
stuff including the TL08x


http://www.national.com/pf

I thought some of you might find this useful.

.....


I'll have to check the supply voltages again.  ...and come to think of it,
I think I do have a nop fixture for the KK unit, but I believe it's for
the 6502. Maybe I'll try it out on my Battlezone.

Thanks,

Matt





_____________________________________________________________________

On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, John Robertson wrote:

> Typically the checksums in KK are generated with a NOP fixture for the CPU, 
> then you start/stop the read on the chip select.
> 
> As for the suspect TL08X, if you get no output, but you get input, have you 
> checked the supply voltage for these devices? Have you scoped the inputs? 
> It would be unlikely that both have failed unless the supply for them went 
> ballistic and blew them together...
> 
> John :-#)#
> 
> At 04:18 PM 9/2/1999 -0700, you wrote:
> >I recently fixed an Omega Race board so that all the logic now works.  The
> >game passes all the ram and rom tests and coins up.  I think that I just
> >need to replace one or more of the TL08xCP Op Amps because I'm not getting
> >any X or Y signal.  The X and Y pots are fine.
> >
> >Anyway - maybe someone could answer this question for me.  I fixed this
> >game using my KK Test fixture.  The instructions also include signatures
> >for certain roms but don't really explain the setup for getting the
> >signatures.  Does anyone know how to do this?  I'm just curious since it
> >might help me in the future.
> >
> >
> >Matt
> 
> 
>   John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9
>   Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
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>          "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."    
> 
> 


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The real question is what format should *we* scan this stuff in to make it painless to get some art reproduced.  I'm sure Roy has more than enough projects to work on now, but if we had our own projects and didn't know a printer we felt comfortable with, what is necessary (other than cash) for one of these projects?  And Roy, if we were to do this legwork, would you be willing to take it to your printer?  I imagine its a good way for you to start your own little collection of high quality, cheap cpo's :)

Just wondering out loud..
Jon

btw, I am still looking for a scan of dedicated MH side art, if anyone thinks they can help out, I would be eternally grateful.
At 10:58 PM 9/2/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Roy,
> I have a major havoc (tempest conversion) NOS marquee overlay for donation if
>you want it. Now we will overwhelm you with donations!!  :-)

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> I pulled it up on MAME to see what the game was actually like.  Do the other
> ships every actually start shooting at you ?

I don't remember, but I think not.

BTW, you can get the other Cinematronics emulator at:

http://www.oakland.edu/~phkahler

I posted a version that isn't restricted to Star Castle any more. There
is a problem with the SC rom names listed in the .cfg file, but you
usually have to change them to match your rom file names anyway. It seems
I was testing that multigame menu stuff and left menu.e and menu.o in the
SC part of the file :-) I'll fix that at some point....

Thanks,
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>Simply stated, the problem appears to be w/ the monitor.

        Boy, there's alot of things that can go wrong with this particular
symptom, some of which are fixable by a capkit, and some of which are not. I'll
share with you what little I know about monitor repair, which ain't much more
than basic trouble shooting, and replacing parts that have obviously burnt out
or fallen off.

        1) Your Ast. Deluxe board might not be generating video signals. You
           could check this with a scope, or even with a multimeter (I don't
           know what the range of valid signals would be with a multimeter, but
           I dimly recall in the 6V range - anyone want to help)? Put your
           board in test mode (there should be a switch by the coin door) to
           make sure the board is trying to generate a nice crosshatch pattern.

        One aside - I left my game in test mode while I was doing some work on
        it, and my daughter came up and started pressing the buttons (they beep
        when you press them - big fun). Of course, in doing so, she managed to
        press the combination that erased all my high scores ;-P

        2) Your monitor might not be getting power. Does the heater element in
           the neck of the tube glow? Is the "spot killer" LED on the
           deflection board lit? You should be able to check the voltage
           on the monitor itself as well at one of the connectors - schematics
           for your monitor can be found at:

                http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/9862/page01.html

        3) Do you get HV? I don't have an HV probe, but I check for the
           presence of HV (maybe not the correct value, but at least present)
           by holding a neon bulb up to the HV transformer, and by listening
           for the "static" as the tube charges up. If you don't have HV, I
           don't know what to tell you - I haven't had this problem on any of
           my monitors yet (thankfully).

        4) At this point, it probably can't hurt to put in a cap kit - as I
           recall, the 19V2000 cap kits don't have many parts. Or you can have
           a friend with some electronics knowledge look at the schematics and
           help troubleshoot - the 19V2000 is actually a pretty simple beastie,
           compared to your typical raster monitor. It's just a couple of amp
           circuits and an HV circuit. If you have HV, you (or a friend) could
           probably look through the schematics and just measure voltages at
           various places on the deflection board, to figure out where things
           are going awry.
        
        Good luck! Let me know how it goes.

                        Drew

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Hi all,

Well, I ordered a glass top for my Space Fury cocktail for a local glass shop.
 However, when giving them dimensions, I accidentally told them 3/8 instead of
3/16!!  Oops.

So anyway, this piece of glass would have fit perfectly, except it won't fit
under the clips now.  If someone has a cocktail out there that needs new glass
and is willing to modify or put new clips on their cocktail table, I'd sell
this cheap in order to recover at least some of my expenses.  Make an offer if
interested.  Otherwise, I'll be a nice coffee table top :-)

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> The real question is what format should *we* scan this stuff in to make it
painless to get some art reproduced.  I'm sure Roy has more than enough
projects to work on now, but if we had our own projects and didn't know a
printer we felt comfortable with, what is necessary (other than cash) for
one of these projects?  And Roy, if we were to do this legwork, would you be
willing to take it to your printer?  I imagine its a good way for you to
start your own little collection of high quality, cheap cpo's :)

Well, it's not that simple. Scanning the art is just the first and easiest
step. You can't (or should I say, I wouldn't recommend) just printing from a
scan. What will come out will look like a picture of a CPO, not a CPO. I
actually redraw the entire art using a vector based program (Corel Draw).
This allows me to scale the art appropriately and take full advantage of my
printer's maximum resolution. This is a pain-staking process. I'm redrawing
the Tempest CPO now, and I'm currently working on all the little blobs in
the bottom section. I'm typically working at a zoom of 6000%-12000%, tracing
each blob carefully. When viewed at 100% they look perfect, but this process
is taking me days. I know about tracing programs, and use them when
appropriate, but I find to get the precision I demand of my own work I
simply have to draw it myself.

Many people have offered me art to reproduce, but unless they are willing to
send the original to me, I've been hesitant for several reasons:

1) Measurments - No matter how precise a scan is, I have found that every
first test-print has been mis-sized somehow. I like printing out a
test-print and holding it up to a light over the original. I can then make
any adjustments necessary.

2) Details - I've scanned art at very-high resolutions, but there is bound
to be some pixelation that will obscure some detail. Having the original
allows me to see what it is I'm trying to reproduce, not just guess based on
some dithered pixels.

3) Color matching - It is impossible to choose correct colors from a scan. I
match the colors of the original to a Pantone chart calibrated to the
printer I use. Without the original the colros would all be a guess.

So,  my suggestion is, if you have to sell the art, scan it in and take
precise measurments of key graphic objects and measure their distance from
other key graphic objects. Also, go to an art shop and use their Pantone
chart to match the colors. It may then be possible to produce the repro art
later.

I'm happy to work with anybody on this, but keep in mind that this is my
hobby, not my job (although if I sell a couple more spinner kits I could
offer an IPO and become rich! :).

-roy-


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Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
> 
> I pulled it up on MAME to see what the game was actually like.  Do the other
> ships every actually start shooting at you ?
> 

If you fly around for some time without shooting at the enemy ships
they start shooting at you. The shooting sound is produced by the
tone geneator on the sound board (like the hyperspace, extra and phase
sounds).

Mathis

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The last three pictures on Spies of Mark Jenison's rotating monitor have
gone poof :)  Does anyone have them they'd be willing to fire my way or
point me to?

Thanks!

(Apologies if there's a more appropriate place for this, but I know
there's not a better one :)  )

--- saint


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I've got a largish pile of dead, comatose and wounded AR2 boards and I'd
like to get at least two running (for a Space Duel and a Millipede)

I want to get a couple running and have some spares for later.

What are some common failure modes for AR2 boards besides a toasted sense
resistor?

Should I use a big resistor on the outputs of the 5v line or hook up a
Cinemat system board so I don't fry anything good?

I would like to add a crowbar diode to the 5v line so I never have to
worry about the linear going postal.

Where can I get one?

What type should I get (current rating, etc)?

Should I mount it on the gameboard, harness or on the AR2? I'm partial to
the harness since this doesn't deface the gameboard and you don't have to
consider the harness voltage drop. Comments?

Lastly, does anybody live in Denver? I won a contest and I'm flying out
to the Bonnie Raitt show at Red Rocks on the weekend of the 11th. I won't
have the tixs until Tuesday so I don't know how much free time I will
have but I'd love to meet another collector if I can fit it in.

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Hi Al!

The circuit that I have seen used favorably (like when a hard short 
develops in the pass transistor) is the one used by Gottlieb in their 
pinball games. As simple little circuit, using a SCR, zener diode, a couple 
of resistors and a bypass cap.
This can handle quite high currents, the SCR is a C106B. If anyone wants 
the circuit I'll post it on my page or email it, a tiny jpeg of it should 
be about 5 or so K in size.

At 03:45 PM 9/4/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>I've got a largish pile of dead, comatose and wounded AR2 boards and I'd
>like to get at least two running (for a Space Duel and a Millipede)
>
>I want to get a couple running and have some spares for later.
>
>What are some common failure modes for AR2 boards besides a toasted sense
>resistor?
>
>Should I use a big resistor on the outputs of the 5v line or hook up a
>Cinemat system board so I don't fry anything good?
>
>I would like to add a cr